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Abu Bakr al Baghdadi was a murderer and terrorist responsible for terrible suffering and death. (Original Post) Uncle Joe Oct 2019 OP
No mention of the brave American military personnel who carried out the raid? Hmmm. George II Oct 2019 #1
Very short sighted for someone who wants to be "Commander in Chief"... NurseJackie Oct 2019 #2
Bernie was sending a message against Trump for abandoning our Kurdish allies but Uncle Joe Oct 2019 #3
That isn't what the tweet says. TexasTowelie Oct 2019 #4
You can spin all you want, but that was the message to anyone paying attention Uncle Joe Oct 2019 #5
That wasn't what the tweet said despite your TexasTowelie Oct 2019 #6
I've been paying attention, Syria and Russia are NOT our "allies" and even Turkey.... George II Oct 2019 #10
How ironic you allege spin by others. LanternWaste Oct 2019 #24
How do you know all of that from those approx. 30 words? This morning trump said.... George II Oct 2019 #8
Not a Sanders fan, but that's exactly how I took it too. cwydro Oct 2019 #9
Because he chose "politics" over patriotism? Because he chose to "send a message" to Trump... NurseJackie Oct 2019 #11
Priorities, Jackie, priorities. George II Oct 2019 #15
As I said, I'm no fan of Sanders. Never, ever have been. cwydro Oct 2019 #16
It ought to have been a PostScript... NurseJackie Oct 2019 #17
Yeah, he seems to be lacking in the statement category. cwydro Oct 2019 #18
Perhaps because he's praising those who knew about the raid ahead of time, our "allies".... George II Oct 2019 #12
are you saying Sanders is praising Russia and Assad in that tweet? Celerity Oct 2019 #19
Not all of those countries assisted in the operation yesterday, only a handful did. George II Oct 2019 #20
non sequitur Celerity Oct 2019 #21
But he never said anything like this: George II Oct 2019 #22
This message was self-deleted by its author Celerity Oct 2019 #23
Biden, a leader and patriot, says this: NurseJackie Oct 2019 #7
Mr. Vice President: George II Oct 2019 #13
Especially someone who recently stated Gabbard's "putting her life on the line for her country" ehrnst Oct 2019 #14
 

George II

(67,782 posts)
1. No mention of the brave American military personnel who carried out the raid? Hmmm.
Sun Oct 27, 2019, 01:31 PM
Oct 2019
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NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
2. Very short sighted for someone who wants to be "Commander in Chief"...
Sun Oct 27, 2019, 02:53 PM
Oct 2019

... big mistake.

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Uncle Joe

(58,364 posts)
3. Bernie was sending a message against Trump for abandoning our Kurdish allies but
Sun Oct 27, 2019, 03:28 PM
Oct 2019

you don't care. hmmm.



U.S. military service members’ worldviews are shaped by the jobs they do, places they’ve been and comrades in arms they’ve fought alongside. As a major in the Air Force who has flown combat missions against the Islamic State, I have seen firsthand the capability of Kurdish fighters. During my missions in 2016, they made up a critical mass of the ground forces flushing ISIS from its strongholds across Iraq and Syria. Together with a small number of U.S. special operators and others making up the moderate Syrian Democratic Forces, the Kurds were instrumental in ending the Islamic State’s territorial caliphate.

(snip)

It was with this in mind that I heard the news Monday that the United States has withdrawn troops from the northern portion of Syria and that the president did not object to an attack that Turkey launched Wednesday against Kurdish forces in the area — the same forces that were so critical in liberating large swathes of Iraq and Syria from ISIS control.

A valuable partner put in jeopardy

The administration's overnight announcement drew an immediate and almost universal rebuke from the foreign policy and military community, even including condemnation from some of the president’s closest usual allies. In the fight against ISIS, it has been U.S. policy to back the Kurds in Syria, and their extremely capable fighters. This week’s decision to turn this policy on its head now puts an extremely valuable partner in jeopardy, risks creating space for the reemergence of the Islamic State, and leaves the status of thousands of captured ISIS fighters uncertain.

(snip)

A moral and strategic failure

They did all this with the hope — despite past disappointments — that America would repay the Kurds by continuing to support Kurdish ambitions in the region. Tragically, they’ve been let down once again, causing many to fear for a humanitarian disaster. With an effective green light from the United States, Erdogan feels empowered to take military actions to sweep the Kurds from territory near the Turkey-Syria border. The repercussions for America and its allies could be huge.

(snip)


https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/voices/2019/10/09/kurds-turkey-syria-isis-war-iraq-trump-column/3917818002/

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TexasTowelie

(112,217 posts)
4. That isn't what the tweet says.
Sun Oct 27, 2019, 03:40 PM
Oct 2019

It appears that you are attaching a completely different message than the one that Bernie conveyed.

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Uncle Joe

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5. You can spin all you want, but that was the message to anyone paying attention
Sun Oct 27, 2019, 03:44 PM
Oct 2019

to what has been happening in that region of the world and Bernie's position.



(snip)

He said it was a positive step, but also got in a dig at Trump.

“From my understanding, interestingly enough, is that the mission was accomplished with information supplied by the Kurds. And as we know, Trump has turned his back and betrayed the Kurds,” Sanders said. “That’s something that I think will have a negative impact not only in that region of the world, but in terms of our relationship with allies from one end of this planet to the other.”


https://www.freep.com/story/news/politics/elections/2019/10/27/sen-bernie-sanders-2020-election-tour-detroit-u-s-rep-tlaib/2479795001/

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TexasTowelie

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6. That wasn't what the tweet said despite your
Sun Oct 27, 2019, 03:53 PM
Oct 2019


You shouldn't be surprised when people interpret Bernie's tweets differently than what you do.
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George II

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10. I've been paying attention, Syria and Russia are NOT our "allies" and even Turkey....
Sun Oct 27, 2019, 04:44 PM
Oct 2019

...broke their promise with respect to the Kurds.

I'm an American who served in the military, and our brave military personnel come before Syria and Russia.

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LanternWaste

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24. How ironic you allege spin by others.
Mon Oct 28, 2019, 02:40 PM
Oct 2019

Your sincerity might be easier to swallow if your inferences in regards to other candidates weren't quite so dramatically circuitous.

But I get it... we allow nuance to our own, yet subscribe only the most transparent and manifest to all others.

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George II

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8. How do you know all of that from those approx. 30 words? This morning trump said....
Sun Oct 27, 2019, 04:42 PM
Oct 2019

....that the mission was successful because of the assistance of Russia, Turkey, Syria, Iraq, and the Kurds. Sanders mentions the Kurds and "our allies", which in trump's words includes Russia and Syria, along with Turkey and Iraq.

Spin if you want, but Sanders ignored the men and women who conducted the operation but not two, or even three, countries ("allies" ) who had no involvement and are not our "allies".

Seems odd that he's praising Russia and Syria in his all-inclusive comments but not the Americans.

On the other hand Joe Biden explicitly congratulated "our special forces, our intelligence community, and all our brave military professionals", the people who DID do the job.


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cwydro

(51,308 posts)
9. Not a Sanders fan, but that's exactly how I took it too.
Sun Oct 27, 2019, 04:44 PM
Oct 2019

Not sure why people are attacking that.

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NurseJackie

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11. Because he chose "politics" over patriotism? Because he chose to "send a message" to Trump...
Sun Oct 27, 2019, 05:02 PM
Oct 2019

Because he chose "politics" over patriotism? Because he chose to "send a message" to Trump, rather than sending a message of gratitude to our own brave and loyal troops and special forces?

That's not the type of qualities that I'm looking for in our next "Commander in Chief". It's not like he was under pressure to come up with something to say, at the spur of the moment, while the press looked on... he had time to craft his message, and THAT'S what he decided was best.

Ugh.

Not sure why people are attacking that.
Now you know.
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George II

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15. Priorities, Jackie, priorities.
Sun Oct 27, 2019, 05:47 PM
Oct 2019
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cwydro

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16. As I said, I'm no fan of Sanders. Never, ever have been.
Sun Oct 27, 2019, 06:05 PM
Oct 2019

But I don’t mind if he sticks up for the Kurds in this instance.

BS has no chance in this primary imo, so I don’t get why everyone is so upset about this.

Everyone thought it was ok for politicians to send “a message” to Trump during Cummings’ funeral, so what’s the difference?

No dog in this fight. I really don’t like Sanders, but I think this is a waste of energy attacking him for giving a shout out to the Kurds.

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NurseJackie

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17. It ought to have been a PostScript...
Sun Oct 27, 2019, 08:43 PM
Oct 2019

... but he chose poorly.

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cwydro

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18. Yeah, he seems to be lacking in the statement category.
Sun Oct 27, 2019, 09:33 PM
Oct 2019

That one about “so you don’t get shot” kinda rankled too.

I honestly don’t understand why he’s still running.

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George II

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12. Perhaps because he's praising those who knew about the raid ahead of time, our "allies"....
Sun Oct 27, 2019, 05:17 PM
Oct 2019

....like Russia and Syria, yet not a peep about the Americans who risked their lives and carried out the raid. Why would a US Senator not say a word about them but praise other countries?

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Celerity

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19. are you saying Sanders is praising Russia and Assad in that tweet?
Sun Oct 27, 2019, 10:57 PM
Oct 2019

We had many allies there, and I have never heard Sanders refer to Putin and Assad as allies.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_military_intervention_against_ISIL



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George II

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20. Not all of those countries assisted in the operation yesterday, only a handful did.
Sun Oct 27, 2019, 11:00 PM
Oct 2019
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Celerity

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21. non sequitur
Sun Oct 27, 2019, 11:17 PM
Oct 2019

Sanders said

The fight against ISIS would not be possible without the brave efforts of the Kurds and other U.S. allies.


ie. the general fight against ISIS

when he was referring to allies, and the ones I listed all did help in one form, fashion or manner in that. Sanders never said anything about allies who knew beforehand, that was only you who said that.

so, I ask again, (it is a simple yes or no question)

Are you saying he (Sanders) was praising Putin and Assad?

when you said this

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George II

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22. But he never said anything like this:
Sun Oct 27, 2019, 11:28 PM
Oct 2019

"The fight against ISIS would not be possible without the brave efforts of American military personnel."

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Response to George II (Reply #22)

 

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
7. Biden, a leader and patriot, says this:
Sun Oct 27, 2019, 04:14 PM
Oct 2019

Now... THIS is how it's done.





Joe Biden ✔
@JoeBiden

I congratulate our special forces, our intelligence community, and all our brave military professionals on delivering justice to the terrorist Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi. The world is better and safer without him in it.


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George II

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13. Mr. Vice President:
Sun Oct 27, 2019, 05:20 PM
Oct 2019
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ehrnst

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14. Especially someone who recently stated Gabbard's "putting her life on the line for her country"
Sun Oct 27, 2019, 05:45 PM
Oct 2019

was evidence that she could not possibly be a Russian tool - wittingly or unwittingly.

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