Democratic Primaries
Related: About this forumAbu Bakr al Baghdadi was a murderer and terrorist responsible for terrible suffering and death.
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primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
George II
(67,782 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)... big mistake.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Uncle Joe
(58,364 posts)you don't care. hmmm.
U.S. military service members worldviews are shaped by the jobs they do, places theyve been and comrades in arms theyve fought alongside. As a major in the Air Force who has flown combat missions against the Islamic State, I have seen firsthand the capability of Kurdish fighters. During my missions in 2016, they made up a critical mass of the ground forces flushing ISIS from its strongholds across Iraq and Syria. Together with a small number of U.S. special operators and others making up the moderate Syrian Democratic Forces, the Kurds were instrumental in ending the Islamic States territorial caliphate.
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It was with this in mind that I heard the news Monday that the United States has withdrawn troops from the northern portion of Syria and that the president did not object to an attack that Turkey launched Wednesday against Kurdish forces in the area the same forces that were so critical in liberating large swathes of Iraq and Syria from ISIS control.
A valuable partner put in jeopardy
The administration's overnight announcement drew an immediate and almost universal rebuke from the foreign policy and military community, even including condemnation from some of the presidents closest usual allies. In the fight against ISIS, it has been U.S. policy to back the Kurds in Syria, and their extremely capable fighters. This weeks decision to turn this policy on its head now puts an extremely valuable partner in jeopardy, risks creating space for the reemergence of the Islamic State, and leaves the status of thousands of captured ISIS fighters uncertain.
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A moral and strategic failure
They did all this with the hope despite past disappointments that America would repay the Kurds by continuing to support Kurdish ambitions in the region. Tragically, theyve been let down once again, causing many to fear for a humanitarian disaster. With an effective green light from the United States, Erdogan feels empowered to take military actions to sweep the Kurds from territory near the Turkey-Syria border. The repercussions for America and its allies could be huge.
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https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/voices/2019/10/09/kurds-turkey-syria-isis-war-iraq-trump-column/3917818002/
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
TexasTowelie
(112,217 posts)It appears that you are attaching a completely different message than the one that Bernie conveyed.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Uncle Joe
(58,364 posts)to what has been happening in that region of the world and Bernie's position.
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He said it was a positive step, but also got in a dig at Trump.
From my understanding, interestingly enough, is that the mission was accomplished with information supplied by the Kurds. And as we know, Trump has turned his back and betrayed the Kurds, Sanders said. Thats something that I think will have a negative impact not only in that region of the world, but in terms of our relationship with allies from one end of this planet to the other.
https://www.freep.com/story/news/politics/elections/2019/10/27/sen-bernie-sanders-2020-election-tour-detroit-u-s-rep-tlaib/2479795001/
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
TexasTowelie
(112,217 posts)You shouldn't be surprised when people interpret Bernie's tweets differently than what you do.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
George II
(67,782 posts)...broke their promise with respect to the Kurds.
I'm an American who served in the military, and our brave military personnel come before Syria and Russia.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)Your sincerity might be easier to swallow if your inferences in regards to other candidates weren't quite so dramatically circuitous.
But I get it... we allow nuance to our own, yet subscribe only the most transparent and manifest to all others.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
George II
(67,782 posts)....that the mission was successful because of the assistance of Russia, Turkey, Syria, Iraq, and the Kurds. Sanders mentions the Kurds and "our allies", which in trump's words includes Russia and Syria, along with Turkey and Iraq.
Spin if you want, but Sanders ignored the men and women who conducted the operation but not two, or even three, countries ("allies" ) who had no involvement and are not our "allies".
Seems odd that he's praising Russia and Syria in his all-inclusive comments but not the Americans.
On the other hand Joe Biden explicitly congratulated "our special forces, our intelligence community, and all our brave military professionals", the people who DID do the job.
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primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
cwydro
(51,308 posts)Not sure why people are attacking that.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)Because he chose "politics" over patriotism? Because he chose to "send a message" to Trump, rather than sending a message of gratitude to our own brave and loyal troops and special forces?
That's not the type of qualities that I'm looking for in our next "Commander in Chief". It's not like he was under pressure to come up with something to say, at the spur of the moment, while the press looked on... he had time to craft his message, and THAT'S what he decided was best.
Ugh.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
George II
(67,782 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
cwydro
(51,308 posts)But I dont mind if he sticks up for the Kurds in this instance.
BS has no chance in this primary imo, so I dont get why everyone is so upset about this.
Everyone thought it was ok for politicians to send a message to Trump during Cummings funeral, so whats the difference?
No dog in this fight. I really dont like Sanders, but I think this is a waste of energy attacking him for giving a shout out to the Kurds.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)... but he chose poorly.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
cwydro
(51,308 posts)That one about so you dont get shot kinda rankled too.
I honestly dont understand why hes still running.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
George II
(67,782 posts)....like Russia and Syria, yet not a peep about the Americans who risked their lives and carried out the raid. Why would a US Senator not say a word about them but praise other countries?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Celerity
(43,399 posts)We had many allies there, and I have never heard Sanders refer to Putin and Assad as allies.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_military_intervention_against_ISIL
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
George II
(67,782 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Celerity
(43,399 posts)Sanders said
ie. the general fight against ISIS
when he was referring to allies, and the ones I listed all did help in one form, fashion or manner in that. Sanders never said anything about allies who knew beforehand, that was only you who said that.
so, I ask again, (it is a simple yes or no question)
Are you saying he (Sanders) was praising Putin and Assad?
when you said this
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
George II
(67,782 posts)"The fight against ISIS would not be possible without the brave efforts of American military personnel."
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
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NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)Now... THIS is how it's done.
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Joe Biden ✔
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I congratulate our special forces, our intelligence community, and all our brave military professionals on delivering justice to the terrorist Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi. The world is better and safer without him in it.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
George II
(67,782 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)was evidence that she could not possibly be a Russian tool - wittingly or unwittingly.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden