Report: 'Look at My Record, Child,' Biden Tells Adult Climate Campaigner in Condescending Response

[JoeOtterbein]

https://www.commondreams.org/news/2019/10/28/look-my-record-child-biden-tells-adult-climate-campaigner-condescending-response?fbclid=IwAR109b5UyXkhnrm7b9d35zVUl7u2q-Dn3L5JhY71tI6hWrz5XXXGfCfYkJQ

"Biden needs to wrestle seriously with young people demanding real leadership," says Sunrise Movement co-founder, "and stop dismissing young women asking him legitimate questions as children."

byJessica Corbett, staff writer

Former Vice President Joe Biden came under fire from progressives Monday as video footage circulated online showing his condescending response to a young woman who questioned him about abandoning his opposition to super PACs in the face of a cash-strapped presidential campaign.

"Since you've reversed and are now taking super PAC money... how can we trust that you're not fighting for the people profiting off climate change?" Lily Levin, an 18-year-old volunteer with the Sunrise Movement, asked the Democratic front-runner at a Sunday night rally in Durham, North Carolina.

Interrupting her question, a visibly frustrated Biden replied, "Look at my record, child."

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more at link

[maximusveritas]

1. Sometimes condescension is the appropriate response

How would you feel if some 18 year old questioned your integrity when you've spent 3 of their lifetimes fighting for these causes?

[JoeOtterbein]

5. So does Joe's resume makes it ok?

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

56. Seriously!! Just imagine if Bernie had said this?! They'd be telling him to withdraw from the race!!

Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

[cwydro]

106. There's people here who would be outraged that's for sure.

I’d be pretty pissed no matter who said it.

It irks me especially because he said that to a young woman.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

115. Absolutely, the same standards should apply. I've been critical of Bernie

and praised Joe when appropriate, despite my fondness for the former candidate and disappointment in the latter. No one's perfect... except Biden apparently for a select few around here, who think He walks on water and nothing Bernie has ever said or done is worthy of even the slightest praise.


Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

[cwydro]

123. I've never been a Bernie fan, and I never will be - but you're right.

There seems to be a lot of defensiveness on the part of some of Biden’s supporters for some reason.

What Biden said was extremely condescending.

I was in the military at age 18. I can only imagine how I would have felt if a politician had said that to me.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

127. You're SO right, as usual cwydro... and, like you, people don't have to be Bernie fans to be FAIR.

What Joe said to that young woman was UNBELIEVABLY condescending... but then, anyone who defends what Joe said is even MORE unbelievable!! We ALL make mistakes, there's no shame in it... Joe's advisors need to start advising him to admit his and apologize for his faux pas. Simple as that!!


Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

[treestar]

140. Would you have asked such a dumbly phrased question?

To someone who had been in politics for that many years?

Would you at any age hint that someone with Biden's record favors big polluting businesses?

[cwydro]

158. I'm a helluva lot older now, and I don't think it was such a bad question.

Perhaps I might phrase it differently at my age now

Nothing excuses his condescension imo.

[treestar]

209. Agree to disagree that he deserves that

To be asked about possible favoring of big moneyed interests in terms of climate change. You should check out the Dotard for a real possibility of that.

Condescension can be right when the question is insulting enough.

[karynnj]

226. Yes and I can easily imagine a good answer

He could have explained what he was doing with PACs and why AND then given her a few bullet points that show what he has done over the years on the environment/climate change and then mentioned that he knew that for people her age - like his grandkids - their future depends on making the right changes now.

Extra credit would be to note that EVERY Democrat will work as hard as they can to deal with this issue -- and Trump/Pence won't.

PS I knew people who became strong advocates for candidates, including Kerry and Obama, after seeing them respectfully answer questions asked by young teens.

[ritapria]

120. If Bernie had said whay Joe said

The media would have skewered him mercilessly - day after day

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

122. OMG, yes, Bernie wouldve been skewered and slow roasted until he begged to be put out of his misery!

Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

[treestar]

141. Well, so

that's the price of running for POTUS. Right here was have Joe being slow roasted for it, so why can't Bernie be slow roasted for similar things?

[StarfishSaver]

168. Or Hillary

[redqueen]

169. Well to be fair she did tell a young woman 'well why don't you run for office then'

or something along those lines. Wasn't well received.

[StarfishSaver]

170. That's very different and much less offensive

I don't remember her saying that, but if she did and "it wasn't well received," that makes my point.

[betsuni]

180. In that case the young woman was also repeating anti-democratic propaganda.

In Biden's case he was accused of corruption, in Hillary's racism. A shame anyone believes these lies.

[redqueen]

182. Neither is an excuse for being rude.

We're the ones claiming to be the adults.

We should act like it.

[betsuni]

183. Neither of them were rude.

The person spewing lies is the rude one.

[redqueen]

184. I think both were rude. nt

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

185. Yes... as the saying goes: two wrongs don't make one right.

Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

[LSFL]

228. That is a horrible homily to place above your candidates.

But thank you for the laugh albeit unintentional.

[Hortensis]

129. So, is casting a needed and good response as condescending "OK"?

NO, it's NOT, Otterbein. It's exactly what we hate from the RW smear machines.

Of course, the more citizens know about candidates the harder it is to deceive by misrepresenting and lying about them. Knowledge always defeats smears and spins away from truth.

Instead of belittling the very idea of asking citizens to educate themselves, you could have pointed out that Biden, and other candidates with significant records, make that "please look at my record" request at least 50 times a day, double that if it includes working a long rope line.

?

[George II]

134. Yes. Compared to the way others might react considering the circumstances, he was polite.

[USALiberal]

220. Who would be that rude? nt

[Loki Liesmith]

159. Yes

[Blue_true]

190. Yes.

If a person doesn't know the fuck what they are talking about, I for one am ok with putting them down hard.

[Amimnoch]

217. Yep. sure does. -nt

[PatrickforO]

7. I would be gentler than that. I'm 60 and have mentored many young professionals.

And, you know, Biden is running for president. A condescending response to a college kid will throw cold water on a group we really, really need to get out to vote. If they show up this country will end up bright blue. So to say that - not good.

How would you feel if you were that kid?

That kid's parents?

That kid's friends?

And if we DO look at Biden's record, he's been on the wrong side of a couple of things. I'm not saying I won't support him if he ends up being the nominee, but I'm sure not supporting him in the primary.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

58. How can anyone possibly excuse Joe's condescending comment to an adult female?

Any fair-minded person would find it offensive... Joe should just apologize and stop with these sort of comments.


Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

[George II]

136. A few things about that - first it's TWENTY SEVEN SECONDS, no indication of what happened before....

....or after that video of less than half a minute.

Second, she accused him of breaking the law - taking money from Super PACs, which he is NOT doing and never will. Not a surprise that she's from Sunrise Movement. I wonder if she was outside Dianne Feinstein's office when they ambushed her, too? They make a practice of doctoring and severely editing videos.

Third, he was walking through a crowd doing selfies, not answering questions. She interrupted and was rude to him. And "surprisinghly" they had a video rolling as they approached him, knowing they would be ambushing him. Excusable? HAH!

She's 18-years old, no telling how young she might have looked, I'm sure she didn't announce her age when she accosted him.

Funny how context might explain a person's actions, and justify them.

Remember that video Sunrise Movement put on twitter that made her look rude? It turns out that the entire interchange was very polite and almost cordial when one saw the minutes before and after the highly edited video. Sunrise Movement seems to be good at that.

Are you equally appalled when other candidates do such things or much worse?

[PatrickforO]

156. Yeah, I remember that Sunrise video. It was a bit...edited to make Feinstein look bad.

I do concede your point about a 30 second video.

One of the things I've been saying for a while now is that whoever our nominee is, and certainly Democrats at all other levels - local, state and national - once elected, they will have to grapple with an increasingly large and diverse body of people who will have far less inhibition about creating pressure for changes they want.

For this, of course, Trump is partly responsible, because he has so coarsened the public dialog around politics, and he has also deliberately incited violence.

Secondly, we can look to social media. There are stories of kids committing suicide because they've been bullied, but for the most part these kids and young millennial adults have pretty thick skins and tell it like they see it.

And last, I don't know if you saw that excerpt I posted about the tipping point of public sentiment around climate change - with 40% of Americans now believing it is a 'crisis,' and upwards of 80% believing it is human caused, and a full half saying we need action.

My point is that this type of thing isn't going to go away for Democrats - it is a fantasy for us to think that once we get rid of Trump, we'll go back to those genteel days when slow, steady progress was good enough. People are going to be increasingly militant because they know unless they are totally obnoxious, their voices will not be heard over all the dark money from lobbies, corporations and billionaire parasites.

Democrats throughout the nation will have to deal with that new militancy while at the same time fixing Trump's mess and rebuilding people's faith in the institutions Trump and his lawless minions have been systematically undermining.

I chuckle because I'm thinking about that scene in the old movie Ghostbusters, when they've been fired from the community college and as they are walking out, Bill Murray quips, "They want RESULTS out there!"

People are going to want results. Aggressive results. On climate change and healthcare. And a variety of other things.

[George II]

171. You rightfully go into a lot of other details that are part of the policy that our next nominee...

...and President will have to address. And although it they may not be as detailed or "correct" as some would want, ALL of our candidates are addressing climate change in one manner or another. There are good policies, policies not as good, and some that need more explaining.

But the thrust of this thread and the outrage that is being expressed, sadly, is because Joe Biden, a 76 year old man, should be castigated for DARING to call a teenager (did he know she was older than 17-years old) a "child"! Look at all of the responses, especially the one I responded to:

How can anyone possibly excuse Joe's condescending comment to an adult female?

It's ludicrous. They're not commenting on Biden's climate change policy or whether it's good enough for them or not, they're commenting on a SINGLE WORD in a 27-second video lifted out of obviously a longer video, without knowing the entire context of the encounter and Biden's response before or after he said that.

They're also bashing Biden from here to Kingdom Come but totally ignoring the fact that the person he was responding to had just accused him of violating Federal Campaign Finance law by, as she put it by "taking Super PAC money" (which he isn't and cannot under the law) and being untrustworthy. Here is her EXACT statement from the article:

"Since you've reversed and are now taking super PAC money... how can we trust that you're not fighting for the people profiting off climate change?"

Her accusing him of violating the law and being untrustworthy is acceptable to many people here but calling her a child isn't? THAT is what raises the hair on the back of my neck.

It's truly sad that the discourse has devolved to this.

[betsuni]

181. +1

[Wawannabe]

163. Thank you

For your response. It is the only one with actual facts! Nailed every responder to the blame wall !!!!

Thanks again.

[Wawannabe]

164. Context

Context.

I am female. Btw...
And with CONTEXT one can better understand. Check on it...Instead of railing and being a armchair finger pointer.

[treestar]

142. If she is too young for the heat, keep her out of the kitchen

that question was extremely stupid. How old do you have to be to be called out on being a moron? Not all college students are so sensitive.

[IluvPitties]

9. Agree. Elders who have given their lives to serve the nation deserve respect.

[pnwmom]

16. Condescension to an adult, even a young adult, is NEVER the appropriate response,

and especially in a political setting where a voter is questioning you about the issues.

When I was an underage high school student my class went to D.C., and one of our teachers had lots of connections. So we talked to a number of members of Congress and of the administration, and we had some very hard questions about the war that was being fought at the time. But not one of the members of Congress or the Administration reacted with Biden's condescension -- or any kind of condescension.

Biden blew it.

[Hassin Bin Sober]

39. Yeah, that always works out in the GE.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

42. IKR!! Surprising, coming from such a seasoned politician!!

Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

[Merlot]

49. Doesn't matter how I would feel, I"m not running for president.

Condescension is not the appropriate response to a legitimate question.

[Raven123]

130. Not if you want that 18 year old's vote

[blm]

232. Some don't WANT the new vote. They see charming 100,000 Trump voters

to switch is the answer for 2020.

[StarfishSaver]

167. I keep hearing we must be careful not to offend condescend to people in order to get their support

But now it's ok?

[USALiberal]

219. Nice try! nt

[karynnj]

225. An 18 year old is a voter

It would be a far better story if he would have explained what he was doing with PACs and why AND then given her a few bullet points that show what he has done over the years on the environment/climate change and then mentioned that he knew that for people her age - like his grandkids - their future depends on making the right changes now.

Extra credit would be to note that EVERY Democrat will work as hard as they can to deal with this issue -- and Trump/Pence won't.

Even if the person were 10 years old, that would be a respectful answer, an honest answer and a better answer than the one he gave.

[boomer_wv]

2. So?

Let's save the manufactured rage on this one.

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

24. This

[RelativelyJones]

62. Indeed +++

[Thekaspervote]

81. Oh no... save all the hand wringing and condescending rage?..

[bluewater]

3. "Look at my record, child."

[cwydro]

12. I wonder if he'd have said the same to a male 18 year old.

I really doubt it.

[pnwmom]

18. I think you're right. He reserves his warmest condescension for females. n/t

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

59. It sure seems that way... I could be wrong though. Just can't think of an alternative example.

Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

[MrsCoffee]

125. I guess it could be worse. Not like his campaign has faced charges of sexism.

I mean, that would be really bad, right?

[betsuni]

126. +1

[JoeOtterbein]

61. I know you are both right. And that hurts me because it makes me think of my own three...

...wonderful daughters, as well as what other millions of other young women face all the time. 24/7

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

131. Yes, excellent point... the sexism Joe displayed was hurtful, and not just to that young woman!!

Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

[MrsCoffee]

149. I can imagine how you would feel if a candidate's campaign was found to have engaged in unfair wages

and mistreatment of women. Having a scandal like that would be disqualifying I'm sure.

[melman]

36. You can bet he wouldn't

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

43. Yeah, good point... not a good look at all.

Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

[progressoid]

65. +1

[Beartracks]

73. "Look at my record, kid."

I can see him saying that.

Yes, "child" is more condescending than "kid." But the young woman happened to be a female, so we don't know what he would've called a young man. As I recall, he usually doesn't call young women "child," either, so it's difficult, really, to gig him on this point.

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[treestar]

143. Biden as racist, Biden as sexist

this is really stupid. We have one in the WH. Let's not make it up against any Democrat.

[RainCaster]

4. This was a bad response

Joe offended a large number of first time voters who are very concerned about the fucked up planet they will inherit.

[JoeOtterbein]

6. +1000!

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

44. BINGO!! It's a mistake you would expect from a less experienced politician, not one of Joe's stature

... especially in this day and age.


Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

[Wawannabe]

165. Made any fair points lately?

Whip up the hate a bit more!

[Beartracks]

75. It's a bad response because people WILL pay more attention to...

... his use of "child" rather than his record -- and it's his RECORD that is really going to matter much more if he is President.

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[madaboutharry]

8. This seems like misplaced outrage to me.

What is lost here is the tone of the exchange. It could very well be that a man who has spent a lifetime in public service was being extraordinary patient with an 18 year old.

I’ll reserve judgment.

[JoeOtterbein]

11. "being extraordinary patient with an 18 year old"

Child?

[madaboutharry]

14. To someone in their 70's an 18 year old is a teenager.

I’m cutting him some slack.

[pnwmom]

20. The 18 year old is a VOTER who is probably more informed than the majority of voters.

(Keeping in mind that almost half the population was dumb enough to vote for DT.)

She might even be more informed on this topic than Biden himself -- it's certainly possible.

His reaction was not all right.

[madaboutharry]

23. That all may be true

and he seems to need to become more aware of how he interacts with young people. I don’t think he deserves to attacked over an incident like this.

[pnwmom]

35. Not just with young people -- with females. This is one more example of his overly familiar

treatment of a female.

No, she isn't his child. He should have just answered the question. The fact that he didn't leads me to think he couldn't come up with a very good answer.

[Thekaspervote]

92. Meh

[PatrickforO]

40. Well, it was pretty tone deaf on Biden's part.

See...cause we watched the Anita Hill testimony.

I think Biden's behavior here was rude and alienated a young person. That person will have that condescending answer burned into her mind from this moment on, and it will be one of the events that colors her view of the world.

And no, I'm not going off the deep end. She wasn't being 'traumatized' and didn't need a 'safe room' or a therapy dog or anything. But Biden was still rude. And she will remember. Let's hope she doesn't get alienated from being involved with Democrats. We have seen this alienation of young people and how it plays out at the ballot box

[pnwmom]

54. Yes -- I thought of the Anita Hill testimony tonight, too.

He was very kind to Anita, in a condescending way. But the way he ran the hearings, the way he allowed the Rs to ride roughshod over her, the way he bowed to their demands about limiting witnesses -- he didn't support her in any real way.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

52. Absolutely!! Joe blew that response, plain and simple... he should just admit it and apologize.

Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

[treestar]

144. No she is not

or she would not have phrased that question like that.

[LongtimeAZDem]

203. Exactly

[True Blue American]

112. To someone in

Their 40’s, 18 is a teenager! They are.

[pnwmom]

80. Actually, it doesn't read as '"patient." It reads as "condescending" and "dismissive." n/t

[cwydro]

107. Exactly.

This speaks volumes.

[BeyondGeography]

10. Add that to the list of entries in the Biden/younger voter tone deafness catalogue

Link to tweet

Joe really does think the problem is kids these days don’t know his record:

Link to tweet

[redqueen]

17. Ugh I forgot about that one

[JoeOtterbein]

25. I forgot that too. And it's only from a few weeks ago!

Jezzzzeeee.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

66. Yikes!! Not good.

Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

[Celerity]

116. I have been waiting almost 2 years for this to be addressed by Biden:

It really pissed me off when I saw it as I am dead in the middle of that Gen Z/Millennial cohort. I still think he is probably our best chance to beat Trump, along with Pete and Sen. Harris, but this has just sat and festered in my mind's eye for ages now. We are going to make up a large part of the voting bloc in the 2020 general. In fact, if you add in the Gen X'ers, we are larger (as actual voters) than all the rest of the age groups combined. The cold hard facts are Joe IS struggling with the younger voters, we ARE a huge voting bloc now, and this attitude is NOT a good look.

Gen Z, Millennials and Gen X outvoted older generations in 2018 midterms

https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2019/05/29/gen-z-millennials-and-gen-x-outvoted-older-generations-in-2018-midterms/




Biden Trashes Millennials in His Quest to Become Even Less Likable

"Give me a break," he said of young people who "think they have it tough."

https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/mbpxx8/biden-trashes-millennials-in-his-quest-to-become-even-less-likable

In an apparent effort to make himself an even less appealing 2020 contender, former Vice President Joe Biden had some harsh words for millennials while promoting his new book on Wednesday. Here's what he said in a conversation with Patt Morrison of the LA Times:

"The younger generation now tells me how tough things are. Give me a break. No, no, I have no empathy for it. Give me a break. Because here’s the deal guys, we decided we were gonna change the world. And we did. We did. We finished the civil rights movement in the first stage. The women’s movement came to be. So my message is, get involved. There’s no place to hide. You can go and you can make all the money in the world, but you can't build a wall high enough to keep the pollution out. You can't live where—you can't not be diminished when your sister can't marry the man or woman, or the woman she loves. You can't—when you have a good friend being profiled, you can't escape this stuff. And so, there's an old expression my philosophy professor would always use from Plato, 'The penalty people face for not being involved in politics is being governed by people worse than themselves.' It's wide open. Go out and change it."

Let's take this line by line.

The younger generation now tells me how tough things are. Give me a break. I have no empathy for it. Give me a break.

A January 2017 analysis of Federal Reserve data found that millennials, who are better educated than baby boomers, have a median household income of $40,581, meaning they earn 20 percent less than boomers did when they were our age. We're crippled with student debt to the point where home ownership is a pipe dream. So here's the deal, Joe—I'll give you a break if you give me some money.

Here’s the deal guys, we decided we were gonna change the world. And we did.

Who is "we"?

We finished the civil rights movement in the first stage. The women’s movement came to be.

Not sure what this even means. It's good that there are activists fighting the worst sorts of injustices? Sure, that's good.

So my message is, get involved. There’s no place to hide.

Who is hiding? I am not hiding.

You can go and you can make all the money in the world, but you can't build a wall high enough to keep the pollution out.

Considering the stats I just dropped about millennials, I'd actually have a really hard time making all the money in the world.

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He should have addressed this long ago. I await his future forward actions to see if he does. It is a must, and if he doubles down and repeats this sentiment, it is going to have a deleterious effect on turnout, whether we like it or not.

[BeyondGeography]

121. It really pisses me off when politicians don't care to understand basic math

I have two Millennial children and I know their cost-of-living and economic security picture is totally different than what I faced 35 years ago, when things were just beginning to deteriorate. Make that exponentially different. Biden has repeatedly demonstrated a deep-seated indifference if not ignorance of what it means to be young in this age of rampant wealth and income inequality and all that does to distort the cost of housing in places where young people want (and need) to live and work, to take just one example. In the early 80s, I could still score a rent stabilized apt. in a good neighborhood in Manhattan for under $500 a month, split it two ways and live quite nicely on $20k/yr. coming out of college. That same apartment is now over $3k a month so if you’re not making six times what I made (and you’re not) good luck, especially if you happen to have a monthly loan payment of $300-$500 or much more hanging over your head.

The least politicians can do is acknowledge the difficulties young people face today and display some passion for addressing them. Scorn is both wrong and appalling. It’s also a one-way ticket to defeat because if this cohort isn’t motivated we’ll underperform with them and we’ll lose as a result.

[msongs]

13. description as condescending is a matter of opinion nt

[redqueen]

19. Agree, the comment in the OP can be read as condescending,

or just an older person talking to a younger person in maybe an overly-familiar manner.

[pnwmom]

21. Overly familiar is almost as bad. nt

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

67. Either way, not a good look.

Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

[Blue_true]

191. I think it is condescending of an 18 year old, who hasn't

lived long enough to really understand how to bring about possitive change to get in the face of a person that has.

[treestar]

212. True, that is not "a good look" either

[sheshe2]

15. I guess this is kind of a payback editorial from common dreams...

for how another candidates comments were taken when asked about black men being shot.

[melman]

38. Do you?

Based on what? The article accurately quotes him. There is video of him making this dismissive comment.

Do you think it's okay for him to talk to this young woman this way? Do you think it's wrong to report that he did?

[sheshe2]

50. Oh melman.

It is midnight and gonna go. You ask a lot of questions and when one responds you do not answer. Ever. In good faith I have answered you and I get crickets.

PS Both men were quoted and on camera live.

[melman]

152. Typical

[betsuni]

51. Kill the messenger attacks are bad now!

"The article accurately quotes him."

[melman]

153. What in the fuck are you even talking about?

[George II]

139. What happened before and what happened after that very short video? We don't know, but....

...Sunrise Movement sure does, they make a cottage industry of doing things like this. They did the same to Dianne Feinstein back in February and when the entire video finally came out it wasn't nearly as bad as the short one posted on twitter, in fact it showed her to be very reasonable and polite.

YES, with the way she accosted him and accused him of violating campaign finance law, i.e., "taking money from Super PACs", it was okay for him to talk to her that way, in fact he was very restrained.

It's not wrong to report what he did, but it's wrong to not report EVERYTHING he did. Where's the rest of it? We'll never see that.

[melman]

154. Nonsense

Last edited Tue Oct 29, 2019, 11:47 AM - Edit history (1)

Every word of that is nonsense.

[ritapria]

26. He's a lovable old Grouch

[JoeOtterbein]

28. So, I can just dismiss dismiss someone's question/opinion by just calling them a child? No!

Also, please do not forget we are in a primary. This is very important for all of us to understand. Otherwise we may take primary politics too personally because someone does not like the favorite candidate(s).

[highplainsdem]

27. She looked and acted like a child and was trying to ambush him with a gotcha question starting with

a lie, since he isn't "taking Super PAC money."

https://www.democraticunderground.com/1287327129

I thought he treated her appropriately.

And from the way she looked around at the phone or camera catching the staged confrontation, you could tell she'd been trying to provoke him.

It wasn't a sincere question, a serious question. IMO it was meant more as harassment, and she deserved no more respect than he gave her.

[JoeOtterbein]

30. "the way she looked around at the phone or camera catching the staged confrontation"l

Uh?

[Historic NY]

76. I saw it on the twitter feed......

its almost as if she was put up to it.

[Thekaspervote]

84. I highly doubt you and I were the only ones that caught that. One of Biden's best qualities

Sincerity

[cwydro]

108. Lol.

Nice try.

As a candidate, he should be treating potential voters with respect, ALL potential voters - no matter how old they are.

[treestar]

145. Yes to imply he is favoring big business

and that we can't be sure he would not, is really uncalled for. Look at Donnie Dotard for that.

[quickesst]

29. another one of those threads....

.... targeting Joe Biden that as usual, turns into a contest to see who can make something sound worse than it really is. Who can make the bigger mountain out of a molehill.

[JoeOtterbein]

31. Joe can take it. He's clearly not nearly so weak that my opinion would matter.

In a primary campaign.

[quickesst]

37. I agree

Neither will my observation make a difference. It's just something we do on message boards.

[Cha]

195. lol.. They're so very

outraged, quickest!

And, I'm just LMAO, child!

[quickesst]

199. Hey Cha!

I say let them rage because......TA DA!!

?itemid=14984157

[Cha]

200. EX-CELL-ENT! Mahalo! Did you make that?!

'cause somebody needed to.. that's how I started becoming a Biden supporter.. when the hit jobs started coming before he even launched his campaign.

[quickesst]

201. I don't have the expertise for that

Just go to Google and type in what you're looking for followed by the word gif. It will usually take you to Giphy or Tenor gifs, for example...

Dancing hillbilly GIF

?itemid=5673810

I may take a shot at making some of my own when I finally decide to start using the computer I acquired. I'm kind of lazy because the phone and tablet is just too easy to use.

[Cha]

204. Wow.. who knew!? Thank you.. I'll

have to try that sometime.

I just got back online after 3 days off because my computer wouldn't connect to the network.. we tried everything.. Spectrum and I. They said it showed it was working from there end. So I went out and bought a new laptop.. I couldn't be without the internet, could I?!

So the new one is really complicated but I've been going through their hoop anyway.. in the meantime I discovered my old one is now connected.. a miracle.. so I'm using it right now. I'm lazy, too.. I want what's old school and comfortable. I don't trust it, though.. so I might just have two laptops.. one for backup.

Irish dancing gif!

[emmaverybo]

229. Beautiful!

[quickesst]

230. glad you like it....

[evertonfc]

32. dear young people.

Our weakest candidates on climate change are 100 times better than Trump. So don't play hero in the general election please

[AtheistCrusader]

187. You can say that, but people don't think that way.

Especially new voters who are weighing even the effort to bother to register to vote, let alone actually vote.

Best way to involve them is to inspire, not condescend.

[evertonfc]

188. if today's

if today's environment doesn't inspire them , nothing will. They are adults. I have a 18 year old. It's thier future if they care.

[UniteFightBack]

33. Child please. nt

[Wawannabe]

166. ++++

😂

[Skya Rhen]

34. Boo hoo hoo... Wah!!!

[Cha]

194. lol! So

very true.. Wah!

[betsuni]

41. I'd be visibly frustrated too.

Candidates cannot take super PAC money, challenges him to prove he's not corrupt. The anti-Democratic propaganda has got to stop.

[Baked Potato]

45. Sounds like the Vice President showed some reality in that answer

Asking a good, solid Democrat how can we trust you on (fill in the blank) is asking for a little sternness, IMO.

[JoeOtterbein]

47. I would be very wrong if I said your comment is coming from a child.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

205. VERY wrong... haha!!

Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

[MarcA]

53. Description as a "little sternness" Is a matter of opinion. n/t

[pnwmom]

83. Not considering some of his banking related legislation for the state of Delaware. n/t

[BlueWI]

197. It's a respectful question.

It deserves a respectful answer. Fairly simple matter.

And especially on this issue, being a "good, solid Democrat" does not help an 18-year old who, in 2050, will see food production and coastal cities in crisis due to global warming that she didn't cause.

If anyone in this picture deserves sternness, it's Biden, and the rest of us, for leaving this hot mess to future generations with no solution. To be petulant in an answer on the campaign trail helps no one. Why hand the Republicans a headline like this?

[dweller]

46. oh fuckstick !

we have 13 more months of this?

it will come down
to the last few weeks of 10/20 ... we're all gonna need tougher skin



✌🏼

[JoeOtterbein]

48. +1000!

[vsrazdem]

55. An 18-year-old is considered an adult in this country, not a "child." They can go vote, go to war

die for their country, they can certainly be afforded the respect of being treated as an adult, not a child, with the implication that they don't know what they are talking about.

[JoeOtterbein]

64. "They can go vote, go to war"

And die.

That is why they are adults.

(tears)

Thanks for your perfect post, at the perfect time. For me personally.

[Thekaspervote]

87. Yes they do all those things. If they are behaving as an adult then they should also understand

ADULT behavior... includes manors. Was seriously lacking on the questioner’s part

[cwydro]

109. I think you mean "manners."

She asked a question, how is that not acting like an adult?

[treestar]

150. oh please!

overly black and white. And they get to vote. But they are still not 25 or 30 or 35 or 70 and they are not on equal footing with middle aged and elderly people when it comes to knowledge.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

68. THIS!!

Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

[treestar]

146. Then she can handle being condescended to

the whole thread it about how mean he was to her. Your point makes that irrelevant. Adults can handle that.

[vsrazdem]

157. And should not be treated like a child.

[treestar]

210. Adults can handle it

If she wanted to ask a question that way, she can handle the consequences.

[George II]

214. She did not walk up to him and announce her age before she asked that question.

She works for an organization that touts being "young":

https://www.sunrisemovement.org/

"WE ARE SUNRISE. We're building an army of young people...."

PLUS, the way she approached him with her question that contained an outright lie and an insult, she acted like a child!

[melman]

215. What the hell?

Because obviously, in that moment, he was thinking of what it says on the Sunrise website.


Good call.

[George II]

216. Thank you. I'm so honored that I have you among my "followers" (a la twitter)!

[LovingA2andMI]

57. Not a Biden supporter at this time (will vote for him IF he is the nominee -- However....

The "Sunrise Movement" is the most annoying group of Generation Z, overly spoiled brats we ever seen. They also need to take it down 150 pegs when confronting their Elders. Not in line with this "Movement" at all or in the least.

As for Joe Biden's Response - on this one - we get it.

[Thekaspervote]

85. Thank you!

[Eyeball_Kid]

60. Disqualifier. n/t

[Hassin Bin Sober]

63. Ahem "ing"

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

70. Wouldn't go THAT far... there are far worse things Joe has said and done.

Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

[progressoid]

69. That's a "never-say"

[RockRaven]

71. Pro-tip: No matter your level of experience or expertise, probably don't call anyone "child"

or "boy"
or "girl"
or "youngling"
or anything remotely like that, unless you are some ancient wizard in a fantasy novel... and even then, get a new goddamned author for your novel who is less prone to cliches.

This young woman was of legal voting age, but even. if. she. were. not.... This is still not the appropriate mode of address.

And, btw, those minors who are 17... or even about 1/12 of those who are 16 at the moment -- they are going to be legal adults voting in the general election in 2020. Dismiss their question and call them "child" and see if they turn out to vote for you against the ancient orange menace... I believe they call this behavior "foot-gunning" as in "shoot yourself in the foot."

[JoeOtterbein]

72. Bingo!

Thanks for a perfect post!

[Thekaspervote]

88. Bring the smelling salts!!! Reef the mainsail, Abandon ship!! Blah blah

If you want to talk about “foot gunning” KIDS that age have an appalling voter turn out.

[RockRaven]

89. When one offers them this kind of reply to their concerns, their non-turnout is a response in turn,

not an inevitability from the start.

If one wants to lose the next general election, and get another 4 years of GOP rule which destroys our constitutional republic in favor of a perpetual (in our lifetime anyway) right wing authoritarian state, then by all means one should be condescending to potential voters. After all, being self-righteously indignant about someone questioning one's bona fides is a totally worth it trade-off.

[Thekaspervote]

91. Yes, she was condescending and self righteous in her question.

Wouldn’t be interesting to know how many of these KIDS actually bother voting?? Especially since their track record is abysmal...approx 46%. These KIDS want someone different, want their voices to be heard, their world to be different then DO something. Put the damned cell phone down and volunteer, sponsor..


Really???? Come on!!!

[RockRaven]

95. I would like to hear your account of which candidates have spoken to 18-25 year olds' concerns

sufficiently to earn their votes, historically. Because I have not seen it in my lifetime. Their long-standing low voter turnout is a consequence of their concerns being ignored by the ruling class, just like the low voter turnout amongst lower income persons. When you and your concerns are dismissed, ignored, and cast aside, there is no reason to believe giving your vote will have any effect upon the actions of the person soliciting said vote once they are in office. What's the point of voting, one way or another, when this is how candidates treat you?

Voter turnout is 80% amongst people who make $150K/yr but 47% amongst those making <$10K/yr, or alternatively people making $50K or less are 48% of the population and 36% of voters while those making >$100K are 22% of the population and 30% of the voters. But there aren't a lot of posts on DU saying "who cares what this lower-income person thinks, those people don't vote" so why should that be acceptable as an attitude towards young adults? People who have been led to believe, by their own experience and observation, that they are going to get screwed no matter who they vote for have very little incentive to vote at all.

Asking candidates about money, the influence of money, conflicts of interests, and broken or abandoned pledges and positions is not only entirely legitimate but possibly the MOST germane issue of the primary campaign when one considers a general election opposition candidate potentially being Trump.

It does not matter how condescending and self-righteous the question was, what matters is did the answer encourage more people or fewer people to vote for the Democratic POTUS general election candidate and Democratic Senate candidates. The answer did not, but a better one might have.

[betsuni]

99. Lower income people vote for Democrats. Propaganda targeted against Democrats depresses voting.

What does "ignored" mean? How are they treated badly? Why would anyone think Democrats are as or more corrupt than Republicans? Where's the proof? Why is being flexible and changing one's mind bad -- sounds like "He believes the same thing Wednesday that he believed on Monday, no matter what happened on Tuesday." Why can't they tell Democrats from Republicans when not one Democrat voted for Trump's tax bill, when Democrats clearly are better for the economy and equal rights and in everything? Why do they not think their vote counts when elections are so close? Why is ignorance rewarded? Only way progressive legislation is achieved is a Democratic supermajority. Why blame Democrats for what Republicans do? I don't understand.

[pnwmom]

98. She was earnest and concerned. But she's only a "child." She shouldn't bother her pretty little head

with matters for the old men to take care of.

At the same time you're criticizing young people for not being active enough, you're criticizing this woman for being too much of an activist. She's somehow overstepped her bounds by earnestly asking him about the PACS who'll be supporting him.

[pnwmom]

96. Would it be fine for her to call him "old man"? Why is it okay to refer to her as a child

though legally she's an adult, and a voter -- but it wouldn't be okay for her to call him "old man." Even though he is an old man.

[AtheistCrusader]

173. Well by all means then, actively discourage them from participating.

[regnaD kciN]

74. Joe seems to have a real problem with young people...

Now, to begin with, I'm almost as old as he is, so I can understand a degree of annoyance at the "young whippersnappers" who, at times, can project a self-righteous, holier-than-thou attitude toward the sins of their elders. (And I can also remember holding the exact same attitude when I was young, which is further proof that what goes around, comes around.)

But the point is, if you're running for public office, you need to sometimes block your own irritation, and take the question seriously enough to give it a serious answer.

I'm thinking of another case, a couple of months ago, where a young person asked him about what could be done about the economic plight millennials face, only to have him dismiss it with an irritated "Give me a break!" followed by a lecture about how millennials had it easy compared to his (and my) generation, who had to deal with Vietnam, racism, etc., and who, Biden implied, had managed to change the world for the better, unlike the young generation of today. Now, I must admit I get more than a little tired of the Boomer-bashing that seems a common refrain among the millennials and post-millennials, but anyone with the slightest bit of political judgment could have found a way to answer that question in a way that acknowledged that both his and the questioner's generations faced their own severe challenges, and suggest ways that his proposals could help out, instead of jumping to an irritated response that bore all the markings of "get the hell off my lawn."

Because that's the big problem. One may be annoyed by people, in or out of a particular demographic, but, if you're a politician seeking the highest job in the land, you have to sometimes swallow your irritation and try to build bonds. Because, a few more incidents like these, and you're going to see the same old familiar phenomenon of young people staying home on Election Day, because they sure aren't going to be guilt-tripped into pulling the lever for someone who seems to go out of his way to dismiss their concerns.

[Thekaspervote]

90. The "old familiar phenomena" of staying home on voting day has very little to do with the candidate!

Voters 18-25 have at best approx 46% turnout rate ...going on decades now.

[crazytown]

104. 18-29 voting outnumber 65+ 'going on decades now'

Source - Consolidated exit polls 2016: 18-29 19%, 65+ 16%.

[redqueen]

161. Believe it or not, it fluctuates depending on the candidate.

Crazy, right?

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

231. Just another reason why Joe's fadin in the polls...as a seasoned politician, even he knows it's over

Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

[demosincebirth]

77. Big f**king deal! We have become the nitpicking center of the internet .

[Thekaspervote]

93. Pick pick pick pick. His poll numbers are back up- gaining or retaking leads...so there ya have it

[demosincebirth]

175. If he would have patted her or touched her the sky would

be falling for some progressives

[OhZone]

78. My brother just mentioned this song -

I got my mind set on you
I got my mind set on you
I got my mind set on you
I got my mind set on you
But it's gonna take money
A whole lot of spending money
It's gonna take plenty of money
To do it right, child

George Harrison - Got My Mind Set On You

[ritapria]

79. I don't blame him for thinking what he said

It may have been wiser for him to bite his tongue and not refer to her as a "child" ...She did have an irritating manner …..

[pnwmom]

82. Some have tried to excuse Joe by saying that he's so old an 18 year old looks like a child

Maybe Joe shouldn't say things that emphasize how old he is.

[cwydro]

110. And maybe he should remember there are 18 year olds in uniform.

Fighting in Iraq and Afghanistan.

Does he consider them children too?

[treestar]

147. holding people to a standard of perfection

every word should be vetted. Of course then, he'd be "wooden" and "stiff."

[pnwmom]

174. It would be different if his treatment of women wasn't part off a pattern. nt

[treestar]

208. A lot don't agree there is such a pattern

and note what he voted for that favors women's rights.

[pnwmom]

213. Ask Anita

[Green Line]

86. All I know

Is that the only one of the top 3 has been a Democrat all his life. Let’s go Joe.

[pnwmom]

94. She was too polite to answer: "Look, old man, I know about your banking legislation."

Why is it not rude for him to call her a child but it would be rude for her to call him an old man -- which he is?

[GreenPartyVoter]

114. Good point.

[redqueen]

162. That makes it pretty clear - he was rude. There's no excuse. nt

[Tiggeroshii]

97. To be fair, anybody under 50 is a child compared to him.

[Skidmore]

100. I have an 18 yr old grandson

who I call "child" sometimes. But I've been known to call his teenage sister and their mother the same.

Truly sick of the nitpicking. Has anyone been paying attention to what has happening in the real world beyond the campaigns? The record is important. As far as the implication that the man is some sort of raging sexist, I don't see it in his life. The way he interacts with the women in his life bears witness to that. His record includes VAWA.

I think many men, including much younger ones, don't begin as fully fledged feminists. There are many societal pressures beyond the home to overcome. What I see is that Biden's parents raised a man to respect women. As with Obama, do you really believe that a woman like his wife would be with him were he not attentive and respectful of her ideas?

I'm not looking for axes to grind. We have someone in the WH who has multiple assault charges from women and is systematically shredding the laws that protect us and have been established on the road to personhood. This whatever is not a hill to die on.

[George II]

189. On the same that that a candidate refused to give details of the financing of a $30+ trillion plan..

...the cornerstone policy of his campaign, we're bashing Biden for calling what may have appeared to be a child (she's only 18 anyway) a "child".

A couple of friends of mine, both in their 80s, call me and everyone else "kid" all the time - "see you kid", "what's going on kid", etc.

Freaking ridiculous.

[Hav]

101. If she was 5 years old

he could have said "I think you are stupid".
In seriousness, it's certainly not an ideal response but I don't think too much should be read into it. Especially with that age difference. He usually uses kid, maybe that was meant in the same tone but he used the wrong word.

[still_one]

102. The Sunrise Movement. The same PAC that used CHILDREN to bombard Feinstein's office

regarding climate change

You want disagree with someone on the issues, I have no problem with that, but sorry this is the same tact that some were doing to Hillary in 2016. "oh she is shrill, she never smiles or laughs, etc"

After what the country has been through for the last two years

Just like what happened with Feinstein, this was a setup with ADULTS that use their kids for their own political agenda. I wonder who is being more exploitive of their children

Yes, this was an 18 year old person, and adult, but there is no doubt were she is getting her marching orders from

You want to know who the Sunrise Group is? They are PAC. The same PAC that invaded Feinstein's office

"Together with Justice Democrats and Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, the group organized a sit-in in the office of Nancy Pelosi, which brought Sunrise its first significant press coverage.[3] Sunrise organized a similar event in February 2019, bringing a group of young people to confront Senator Dianne Feinstein in her office"


en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sunrise_Movement


deja vu all over again, as if dividing Democrats worked so well for us in the 2016 general election

[betsuni]

103. [phone]

[crazytown]

105. +!!!

yep

[Cha]

196. Mahalo, still_one.. FO Sunrise.. Good for Biden.. the usual

suspects are, of course, OUTRAGED!! ..LOL.. I couldn't care less at this point.

[still_one]

206. Good to see you Cha. When someone comes up to supposedly ask a question of someone, and

essentially start this question by falsely calling that person a liar, and then proceed to infer because of that he can’t be trusted, this person isn’t looking for an answer to a question

I have to wonder how much restraint people would show if they were falsely accused of being a liar

I sure wouldn’t

[Cha]

207. Biden answered it perfectly,

afaic. He wouldn't have answered it that way if the person hadn't been gaslighting and lying.

And, of course, the usual suspects think they smell blood in the water.. lol




Good to see you, too, still_one!
quickessst!https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1287&pid=328629

[TidalWave46]

111. Another pathetic shot at Biden.

It endears me to him more. Poor child looked like she was coerced into this, starting with her lie.

Please note those acting outraged. They are fakes.

[betsuni]

113. "But your record is fighting to go into the Iraq War."

Anti-Democratic propaganda blaming Democrats for what Republicans do. Pathetic. Anyone promoting that crap to the ignorant is immoral and sick.

[Skya Rhen]

117. Joe has more self restraint than I. The word "fool" is a more accurate description, in this instance

[WhiskeyGrinder]

118. If he's going to be the candidate I want him to at least try to do better.

[oasis]

119. "Don't question my integrity and expect a respectful reply". Joe was

sending a message.

[ehrnst]

124. I guess he should have called him "silly."

That would have been so much better.

[stonecutter357]

128. you seem very concerned !

[ecstatic]

132. I heard, "look at my record, Shawn"

There was a lot of noise in that room. Maybe he misheard her name, or maybe she provided a different name prior to the footage shown in the clip.

Either way, the video has too much of an o'keefe feel for me. Desperate, grasping at straws, etc.

Link to tweet

[treestar]

148. oh geez that was not even in a forum like I imagined it

that was in a confused crush of people!

[George II]

133. Reminiscent of when Chelsea Clinton organized a memorial for the New Zealand Muslim shooting...

...and got accosted by students with video cameras outside the vigil. Or the time that Sunrise Movement put up a young girl ("child" ) to ambush Dianne Feinstein outside her office and then posted a highly edited video of the exchange on twitter.

I guess these are things that our good Democrats have to come to learn and be aware of.

[LanternWaste]

135. Last week, I'd wondered what form the Next Weekly Outrage would be.

Last week, I'd wondered what form the Next Weekly Outrage would be.

Here it is. Pretense and outrage in one pretty, pre-holiday package, and further wrapped with the coloful ribbons of Real Concern.

I imagine the Next Weekly Outrage will be even more egregious. Maybe his usage of a spork while eating a salad. Or wearing a tan suit to a press conference.

The important thing is though, you maintain the allegation that this actually concerns you and looks bad for him. Breaking character at this point could be bad.

[OhZone]

137. Yeah, this -

People are acting like he called her a stupid, little c*nt.

[MustLoveBeagles]

192. Thank you

He has been pummeled relentlessly on this board for months now over mostly stupid stuff. I think if he accidentally farted in public some would have a meltdown.

[TreasonousBastard]

138. Over a hundred posts and general hysteria in some other quarters over...

a Common Dreams article that starts out stilted against Biden. Did anyone notice the picture they lead with? Not his best.

And that over a "gotcha" question with no answer.

The adult/child was not asking a simple question, but was assuming he was accepting Super PAC money, even though he is not allowed to. Not a question at all, but an arguing point.

A setup, pure and simple. And Biden, in that crush, had every right to dismiss her, even if his language wasn't the best.

Anyway, a set up by those Sunshine people whose primary purpose seems to be to tell us nobody is good enough.

[still_one]

151. Absolutely. This is the same PAC that occupied Feinstein and Pelosi's offices

[peggysue2]

172. Methinks the Sunshine people need to throw a little sunshine on themselves

Gotcha questions/statements serve no purpose but to extend a propaganda point. In this case, that Joe Biden is somehow corrupt (accepting money which is untrue) or automatically compromised (false). Sending out an 18-year old to make the wave doesn't produce any points for those of us who know, up close and personal, what dealing with teenagers is all about. I, too, was a teenager once and expected the world to operate by my own idealistic standards, no exceptions.

Thought Joe Biden was restrained and on the mark. "Check my record, child.'

Good advice!

Btw, faux outrage is wearisome and counterproductive.

[George II]

186. He was a lot more restrained than I would have been, seeing as she just accused him...

....of violating Federal campaign finance law and of being untrustworthy.

[peggysue2]

198. Agree!

That facepalm is what I often did with my own kids. And sorry, an eighteen year old is still a kid. For those of us who have actually dealt with eighteen year olds, that is, on a day-to-day basis.

Pick, pick, pick. That's what it's really all about.

[USALiberal]

222. Really? What would you have said? nt

[George II]

224. This is your third snarky one-line "nt" reply to posts of mine in less than an hour. Curious.

[AtheistCrusader]

193. And yet, he was able to answer the question here.

This was fine.
https://globalnews.ca/video/6087260/biden-says-campaign-is-not-accepting-pac-money


In the OP, setup or no, that's not how you handle it. And that question DID have a potential answer. If you watch the video in that article, he gives it.

[treestar]

211. That situation did not call for some nuanced answer

Once I saw the tape, he had no time. And she had a rude tone. She was not that little girl. She was acting like those more obnoxious reporters.

[samnsara]

155. haha he called baby a man once..no biggie..

[Loki Liesmith]

160. Good. More like this please, Joe.

Love it.

[IADEMO2004]

176. Trump Wins This Way.

[OldRed2450]

177. Big whoop.

[Hekate]

178. So, Joe Otterbein, what is Joe Biden's record? Sometimes people ask stupid questions...

...in attempt to bait someone. Sometimes sarcasm is warranted.

[scardycat]

179. He was being polite, generational thing I guess n/t

[LongtimeAZDem]

202. That's what happens when you ask a childish queation

[loyalsister]

218. A campaign based on defensive counterargtuments

is not going to attract voters we desperately need to turn out.
Those of us who have been running things have failed to adequately, much less effectively, counter climate change since we first started talking about it. We have failed them and they deserve an unwavering commitment from policy makers.

[mac56]

221. There used to be a Daily Bernie Dogpile round these parts.

Now it's become the Daily Biden Dogpile.

Good lord, folks.

[melman]

223. Used to be?

lol

[Kurt V.]

227. +1