Tweet from Bernie Sanders this morning:

[George II]

Link to tweet

[W_HAMILTON]

1. LOL

[LongtimeAZDem]

2. That's pretty sad on a number of levels

[relayerbob]

3. Honestly,

personality cults don't do much for me

[The Polack MSgt]

4. The quote is kinda sad, but

Senator Sanders choosing to use it in a tweet is just . . .

Damn, I'm at a loss for proper descriptors - I just keep coming back to effed up

[beastie boy]

5. Of all the tweets he could have picked...

"It wasn’t until I heard of a man by the name of Bernie Sanders that I began to question and assert and recognize my inherent value as a human being."
-Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez

I, for one, never questioned AOC's inherent value as a human being. And I am not about to question it even after I read this.

[George II]

7. I sure as heck never questioned my inherent value as a human being.

[peggysue2]

6. Really?

How sad.

[Voltaire2]

8. Are we attacking Bernie, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, or both of them?

She said it, so that was bad on her part?
He quoted what she said, so that makes him a bad person?
I need to know who to hate here.

[HerbChestnut]

11. Answer: All of the above.

The crew is out in force on this one.

[Voltaire2]

18. And as usual the response is "you see that as an attack?"

lulzd.

Swimming in the primary pool is a bit dodgy. Never know what those floating objects are.

[sheshe2]

61. Those floating objects?

We all know the floating objects that you are referring to. I find it sad that you would call fellow members on DU that you disagree with ****. That is EXACTLY what you did.

[ehrnst]

101. I identified the most prominent of those "floating objects" you are referring to - take a look.

You're welcome!

[Cha]

106. ..

[sheshe2]

109. OMG!

[OldRed2450]

111. It's on the campaign's twitter account.

I would assume they're happy to share it far and wide.

[George II]

117. And as usual "you see that as an attack"? lulzd.

[ehrnst]

47. "The Crew?"

Care to clarify?

[TCJ70]

134. Why would someone?

Doing so gets you a hide.

[TexasTowelie]

112. First we had the squad.

Now we have the crew.

I wonder if we'll get any other cute names to marginalize Democrats?

[sheshe2]

113. Snap.

[ehrnst]

138. +1000. (nt)

[beastie boy]

14. I reserve the word "hate" to gun nuts and Jesus freaks

How about getting bewildered by a leading candidte's choices?

[LanternWaste]

15. Attacking no in particular, simply pointing out self-aggrandizing actions.

(try deciding who to hate or not on your own rather than asking for instruction...as that's not really a collective decision, but rather a personal one)

[Amimnoch]

16. You see posting his own tweet as an "attack"?

Moooost interesting.

[kcr]

24. When it's life-affirming, utter devotion

Anything else seems like hate. Cult of personality at work.

[NurseJackie]

28. True.

[George II]

19. How is Sanders quoting AOC an "attack" on either? It's his tweet, it's her statement.

[Voltaire2]

22. lulzd

So do you support John Conyers last version of his medicare for all bill?

[George II]

23. lulzd

[ehrnst]

43. Whataboutery anyone?

[George II]

59. What's the relevance of that?

[melman]

66. You know the answer to that

[George II]

70. No I don't. I don't read minds.

[ehrnst]

37. Straw man much? (nt)

[jberryhill]

41. There doesn't seem to be an "attack" inherent in the OP

[Voltaire2]

52. Right it's a call and response thing.

That way the op gets to play the “innocent lil me” card.

[NurseJackie]

65. Nobody is doing that.

[ehrnst]

88. Lulz

[Happy Hoosier]

132. Decide for yourself.

But it just confirms what a lot of folks already know.

[nini]

9. Jesus help us all

The chosen ones scare me.

[Cha]

58. lol

[Docreed2003]

10. ...

[msongs]

12. is bernie the new messiah now? nt

[NurseJackie]

13. Oh good god! That quote could be the opening line of a Tammy Wynette or Patsy Cline song!

Is she serious? Oh good god! That quote could be the opening line of a Tammy Wynette or Patsy Cline song! From way back in the day when women had no value and were treated as chattel... property of men... basing their own worth and self esteem on whether another man recognized them. Oh, I know what I'm talking about... I grew up in part of that era. All I'm saying is that I just find it terribly sad that in this day and age, she feels that way (or recently felt that way).

[nini]

29. hahahahha

Perfect!!!!

[NurseJackie]

67. Thank you!

[OldRed2450]

17. Jackie Speier

Probably never imagined seeing this again.

[Gothmog]

20. Arggh

[vsrazdem]

21. Come one, come all, lets have some more pile on.

[redqueen]

25. I totally get this and I don't understand why it's controversial

[LongtimeAZDem]

27. She says she never recognized her inherent value as a human being until a man came along,

and it was a politician at that.

If you don't see that as disturbing, I don't know what to tell you.

[George II]

31. Sad commentary on the esteem she held for her own father.

[LongtimeAZDem]

32. That was my thought as well; if true, her parents clearly failed her completely.

[NurseJackie]

35. Yes. I honestly believe you're on the right track.

[ehrnst]

49. Indeed - I just have to wonder how her mother felt hearing this. (nt)

[NurseJackie]

56. That's a good question.

If her statement was heartfelt and truthful, then that's truly sad. If it was a cynical ploy to flatter BS with meaningless platitudes, then it's disturbing. And, as I said elsewhere, the fact that BS didn't also see it as being disturbing (and that he saw it as a flattering statement) really reveals much. And, trust me on this, it's not as flattering as he seems to think it is.

[MrsCoffee]

144. Yeah, that's a pretty fucking disturbing statement.

No one on the side of feminism and equality is going to be defending that shit.

[Tarheel_Dem]

26. Oh my.

[enid602]

30. name

Well, I never had a true orgasm until I heard Bernie's name.

[ehrnst]

39. You owe me a new keyboard...

[sheshe2]

64. Bless you child.

You are cured. Now cancer free...orgasms do that.

[ehrnst]

73. .....

[Cha]

87. omg!

Link to tweet

[sheshe2]

92. THIS

[Cha]

100. IKR!

[MrsCoffee]

145. O.M.G.

[emmaverybo]

33. Just hearing his name? Wow! He's more powerful than Miracle Water, My Pillow, and The Blue Dot

combined.

[George II]

34. Reminiscent of Harold Hill.

[NurseJackie]

40. Yes, my friends, we've got trouble!

[Eliot Rosewater]

51. ALL I care about is NO 3rd party runs...stay tuned

[emmaverybo]

104. LOL 😂

[ehrnst]

36. Even after all that college achievement and outreach for a prestigious org?

She didn't "question and assert and recognize [her] inherent value as a human being," until after she "heard of" Bernie?

Wow. On so many levels.

[NurseJackie]

38. It's bad enough that she feels that way in this day and age... BUT...

It's bad enough that she feels that way in this day and age... BUT... I think it's even worse that BS chose that particular sentiment as something that he wants to tweet about and promote.

The fact that he sees nothing wrong with it is a strong indicator of how he views himself, and perhaps even, how he views women in general.

All I'm trying to say is, there are probably a half-dozen of other things she's said that would ACTUALLY be flattering (and inspirational) but he chose THAT? I'm sorry, that's just wrong. And sad.

People may have varying opinions, and that one is mine.

[ehrnst]

42. I agree. (nt)

[NurseJackie]

44. Listen, sister... I lived that shit. My first husband's attitude...

Listen, sister... I lived that shit. My first husband's attitude was that "I'm nothing without him" and "I'm lucky that he'd even have me" and that I shouldn't even think about leaving because "nobody would have me" ... and if he hit me, then it's my fault and I should just watch what I say and do and talk to and smile at.

I tell ya, I know exactly what it's like to believe that my worth was tied to the opinion of a man... and even in fear, I was always seeking approval. Bruise after bruise broken bone after cut after black eye... he beat the shit out of me.

I escaped, I'm a survivor. But I know now that there are certain types of men who ACTIVELY SEEK OUT women with low self esteem... there are men whose EGOS depend on being able to control women the same way that I was controlled, and mentally and physically abused.

Never again! Generally speaking, I can spot abused women a mile away! I know them. I see them. I used to BE one of them. And even if they're not currently in an abusive or controlling situation, I know the type that soon will be. And I know the type of men that seek them out.

All I'm saying is that it's just sad when any woman needs a man (any man) to see her own value as a human being.

[ehrnst]

45. Exactly.... (nt)

[mcar]

78. Jackie...

Thank you for sharing that. You crystallized my instinctive recoil when I read that tweet.

You are a survivor; more, you are a badass!

[NurseJackie]

81. ...

[NurseJackie]

90. It was a lifetime ago...

... No kids with him, thankfully... so it was a "clean break" without any "ties that bind". He's now dead.

That's when my fear stopped. Even though he lived 500 miles away, twenty years later, I still feared answering the phone or opening the door... just because. When I heard he died... months after the fact... my fears vanished. The clouds parted and a weight had been lifted. I could BREATHE again! (It sounds stupid when I say it out loud, but that's the only way I can describe it. Even though we were apart, he still haunted me... I still feared him for YEARS!!!)

You are a survivor; more, you are a badass!

Thanks. I'm mostly just a foul-mouthed and opinionated. But I'll never again be a victim. I'll never again seek a sense of self-worth from any man.

Not only can I spot women who are abused (or likely to be) I can spot men who are likely to abuse them. It's like a protective "sixth sense". It's hard to describe, but I know it when I see it.

[mcar]

102. I'm glad you got away

and I can only imagine the sense of relief, even after all those years.

No woman should be a victim. We need to teach our girls better.

True story (and much less serious): My SIL had a daughter after 2 sons. She was an absolute princess - always wanting to wear dresses, did dance classes for years, just a sparkly, bright princess.

One day, when my niece was about 8, my SIL asked her: is it better to be smart or pretty? Niece said, "pretty." SIL said to me, "I don't know how this happened, but I'm going to fix it.

Next year when we visited, niece's room had all kinds of posters about reading and science and math on the walls. She kept up with dance, but in HS, dropped it to play field hockey and lacrosse. She went to a technical college on academic and sports scholarships, got a great engineering job right out of college and just got her masters degree.

She's now 28. We just got the save the date card today for her wedding next year. She's a strong, smart, confident, and yes, very pretty, woman.

[NurseJackie]

130. Thank you... and thanks for sharing your SIL's story.

Very inspirational.

[sheshe2]

91. You.

[Beakybird]

129. I agree.

I think that she said it to kiss ass. It doesn't seem authentic, and normally, I admire her authenticity.
He is just plain self aggrandizing in this case. If he believed in his ideals and wasn't so full of himself, he would clearly see that Warren is much better suited for the presidency than he is. He just had a heart attack for heaven sake!

[George II]

48. Yes. In fact she even interned for Ted Kennedy:

During college, Ocasio-Cortez served as an intern for U.S. Senator Ted Kennedy, in his section on foreign affairs and immigration issues.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexandria_Ocasio-Cortez

[sheshe2]

53. I can't even.

This way beyond bizarre.

[NurseJackie]

62. What's also bizarre is that BS saw this as being flattering.

I assure you, it's NOT flattering. Any man who wants to take credit for making a woman feel "worthy" or having value... well I share your opinion on that... it's frightening... I can't even.

[Cha]

71. You got that right.. SMDH!

Excellent point

[sheshe2]

72. Bingo!

[OldRed2450]

119. Good men would never want a women to feel that about them.

NEVER!

[ehrnst]

46. And she seems so self-confident here:

[betsuni]

50. She interned for Ted Kennedy and didn't notice he'd been saying health care is a human right

for many decades? Didn't notice that Democrats are the party of equality, health care, housing, education and a living wage?

Right.

[ehrnst]

54. IKR? And she doesn't know that Ted and HRC are responsible for CHIP?

Last edited Thu Oct 31, 2019, 07:23 PM - Edit history (1)

[Cha]

55. Yeah, good point, betsuni.. someone

should ask her about that in a Tweet!

[betsuni]

86. It just doesn't seem ... um ... authentic.

[Cha]

89. "For the rest of us.."

Link to tweet

[Kurt V.]

57. K&R pretty powerful and this represents many young ppls feelings of sanders message.

[ehrnst]

60. You mean young women of color?

I can't imagine young straight white men would feel this way until they heard of Bernie Sanders?.

[Kurt V.]

80. i talk to young white men every day in a county that will go trump in 2020.

i didn't say *sanders name* , i said *sanders message* . they are not monolithic and they know what's what.

[ehrnst]

83. But did they lack self-esteem until they heard Bernie's message? (nt)

[Kurt V.]

94. these young white men i talk to are just trying to figure out the world and what the future means

for their families. they don't lack self esteem what they lack is confidence in business as usual concerning climate change and a rigged economy for their babies. thus their own power (i.e worth)

[ehrnst]

107. But that's not what AOC was talking about.

"It wasn’t until I heard of a man by the name of Bernie Sanders that I began to question and assert and recognize my inherent value as a human being."

She's talking about something totally different that I'm pretty sure those young men, especially the straight white ones, didn't experience.

[Kurt V.]

131. yeah. i kinda went off on a tangent there. lol. Sorry,

but these young liberal men in the middle or trump country are very inspiring.

[lapucelle]

103. Wait...what? "Many young people" began to question and assert and recognize their inherent value

as human beings when they first heard a politician's name?

Are they also children [who] relied on CHIP?

[Kurt V.]

105. a politicians name represents their message. his message is resonating among young ppl.

i prefer warren but the message of sanders shouldn't be overlooked

[lapucelle]

108. She could have said "message". She said "name". N/T

[ehrnst]

149. "the *moment I heard* of a man named Bernie Sanders." (nt)

[ehrnst]

150. Interesting that she never mentions being on SCHIP or CHIP in this interview about poverty

https://www.npr.org/2019/09/25/763793482/rep-alexandria-ocasio-cortez-wants-america-to-talk-about-poverty

[redstateblues]

63. If Joe had posted something like this

Just imagine the outrage!

[ehrnst]

68. +1000. (nt)

[Cha]

69. Right! The twitter responses aren't too

favorable, either, for this one.

[ehrnst]

74. .....

among them:

[Cha]

77. TOO BAD AOC doesn't know that.

Excellent tweet, ehrnst.. Thank you for posting!

Do you have the non screen shot tweet of that so I can tweet on it?

Mahalo!

[ehrnst]

84. Here you go:

Link to tweet

[Cha]

95. Mahalo, ehrnst! Is this true?!

Link to tweet

Retweeted!

[ehrnst]

98. Right there in the video. And odd that she didn't mention Ted Kennedy who worked for single payer

long before she was born, and along with HRC, he got that CHIP she's talking about into existence.

And she interned for Ted Kennedy?

[Cha]

115. They have their narratives and

they're sticking to them.

It's up to us to sort it out.

Link to tweet

[WobblyDem]

114. Heard this before. Don't worry, it's a lie.

Link to tweet

Bernie voted for CHIP.

Bernie did vote against part of the budget CHIP was attached to, because we had control of the WH, House AND Senate anyway. It was a performative vote to signal that it wasn't enough when Democrats had the chance to finally implement single payer and didn't.

I believed Hillary was just forced to concede ambitions of single payer because DC sucks all the up to her specifically coming out against it in 2016. I didn't even believe it until a little while after that, I really just didn't want to.

[OldRed2450]

123. Bernie was part of the reason Hillary's universal health plan did not pass

He didn't thin it was good enough but had it passed we would be in a better position now to push for more. Hillary pushed CHIP harder than anyone. Hillary is to be credited for CHIP a lot more than Bernie.

[redqueen]

139. Thanks for that.

I don't know about this place.

[betsuni]

97. I'm a little surprised she praises CHIP. It was incrementalism.

I thought incrementalism was very very bad. That's what I keep hearing.

[Cha]

118. I've seen some go ballistic

on twitter when they even get a whiff of incrementalism!

AOC voted to protect ACA in the House, though, which is also that.

[betsuni]

120. "Compromise" also seems to be a dirty word.

What lucky people to go through life never having to compromise or get some of what you want and not all. That's normal life for most people. But it's trendy to repeat "vision" "transformational" "passion" "revolution" "authentic" and things like that.

[Cha]

122. Oh yes! Key words you must know

if you want everything at once right bloody NOW!

[George II]

137. Plus her father owned his own architecture firm, I doubt she qualified for CHIP.

[ehrnst]

148. I seem to remember something about that. (nt)

[mcar]

79. Yes

[mcar]

75. Really? That's, um, interesting

[mcar]

76. Grammar test: fix the statement

(Seen all over social media bc I am a grammar nerd.)

Woman without her man is nothing.

[George II]

82. Yeah, I try to watch my grammar, too. Two pet peeves are "try and" instead of "try to"....

....and dangling participles. But I DO type them sometimes online because it's shorter and quicker.

[Eric J in MN]

85. Play the video for the rest of the sentence. NT

NT

[George II]

93. You should tweet that to Sanders, HE is the one who posted the quote in his tweet.

[ehrnst]

99. Yep. (nt)

[ehrnst]

96. You mean, "..that deserves health care, housing, education and a living wage."

After she interned for Ted Kennedy, who was championing single payer in 1971? After working as Education Director for the National Hispanic Institute?

Really?

[OldRed2450]

124. I did.

I doesn't change anything.

[redstateblues]

110. And they say Joe is out of touch? Wow!

[Renew Deal]

116. We must all listen to our Savior Bernie Sanders

[Happy Hoosier]

133. Gather at the feet of the prophet!

Praise him!

Ugh.

[NurseJackie]

136. ...we must gather shoes together in abundance.

[Happy Hoosier]

147. Nice reference! NT

[myohmy2]

121. absolutely beautiful...

...it brought a tear to my eye...seriously

...now tell me Bernie and AOC aren't our hope for a bright future?

...if there's a God, if there's justice, if there is a future, Bernie with AOC will be in the White House working for us come January 2021...

...feel it, believe it and don't let people fool you...

...we can do it...

[MrsCoffee]

146. Wow. "if there's a god... Bernie with AOC will be in the White House... in Januaray 2021?"

This stuff sounds just as ludicrous as when Robertson or Graham says it.

[Buzz cook]

125. I don't see what the problem is with this.

But thanks for the lack of context anyway.


On edit, this sounds very similar.
https://www.politifact.com/wisconsin/statements/2017/feb/23/david-clarke-jr/david-clarke-says-michelle-obama-said-she-was-prou/

[LongtimeAZDem]

126. How is that the same as not recognizing your value as a human being? Seriously?

This is kool-aid cult talk.

[Buzz cook]

153. Because its a rhetorical frame work

Not a statement of absolute truth.

Mrs. Obama's statement was in the context of her husband's victory. It was not meant as an absolute that she had never proud to be an American or never proud of America.
But the Obama's political enemies were able to take that interpretation and run with it.

Is that not the case?

Your claim is that AOC meant that she had never had a sense of self worth ever before in her life. Is that a reasonable recap of your position?

[betsuni]

127. No. One is a country (us/we), the other is a person (me/I).

[redqueen]

140. Excellent comparison.

Kinda sickening to see this honestly. Really reaching for anything and everything.

[LongtimeAZDem]

141. It's no comparison at all, and AOC's comment borders on cult-like

Trying to equate

"for the first time in my adult life I am proud of my country because it feels like hope is finally making a comeback"

with

"It wasn’t until I heard of a man by the name of Bernie Sanders that I began to question and assert and recognize my inherent value as a human being."

is what is "really reaching".

[redqueen]

142. Disagree completely.

I get what she means as do many others.

[MrsCoffee]

158. They obviously missed Feminism 101.

[OldRed2450]

143. Not even close

Michelle O being really proud of her country and her HUSBAND is way different a young lady attributing her value to Bernie Sanders who is not her husband. Though it would be bad even if he was.

[greatauntoftriplets]

128. Back in the Dark Ages when I was a kid (okay, it was the 1950s)

that's not the attitude that my parents used to raise me and my sister. Thank the gods!

[George II]

135. Nor mine. They taught us self-worth from the time we were small children, and...

...they did a great job of raising all six of us.

[Srkdqltr]

151. It's creepy on several levels.

His and hers.

[OldRed2450]

152. kick

[George II]

155. Reminds me of this Roberta Flack classic:

[NurseJackie]

157. Perfect.