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brooklynite

(93,853 posts)
Fri Nov 1, 2019, 05:07 PM Nov 2019

Warren Derides Biden as Running in 'Wrong Presidential Primary'

Bloomberg

Elizabeth Warren swatted back at Joe Biden’s criticism of her $21 trillion Medicare-for-All plan Friday, accusing him of “running in the wrong presidential primary.”

“Democrats are not going to win by repeating Republican talking points,” the Massachusetts senator said in Des Moines, Iowa. “So, if Biden doesn’t like that, I’m just not sure where he’s going.”

Warren’s unusually direct attack on her campaign rival came after she released a long-awaited explanation of how she to planned to pay for her $20.5 trillion proposal to create a government-run health care system. The Biden campaign called that plan “mathematical gymnastics” intended to hide the fact that it would result in tax increases on middle-class workers.

The health care rift has been a defining feature of the crowded Democratic contest and has become a proxy for an broader ideological battle over how far left the party should go. One one side: Warren and Bernie Sanders, who want bold, progressive ideas. On the other: Biden and Pete Buttigieg, who say the party should be more concerned about winning back moderate voters in swing states who could be turned off by big-spending government programs.
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Warren Derides Biden as Running in 'Wrong Presidential Primary' (Original Post) brooklynite Nov 2019 OP
You'd think after Klobuchar swatted down that silly defense from Warren that she would have highplainsdem Nov 2019 #1
Why don't you post something positive BlueMTexpat Nov 2019 #83
Elizabeth is putting on the Gloves ritapria Nov 2019 #2
Attacking Biden because she can't refute what he said...and funny that she says Biden is running in Demsrule86 Nov 2019 #69
it looks... myohmy2 Nov 2019 #114
I think Warren needs to read Krugman's comments peggysue2 Nov 2019 #3
Krugman - and I love him - BlueMTexpat Nov 2019 #82
I have little doubt that the calculations on costs and revenues on all these proposals peggysue2 Nov 2019 #90
I absolutely concur with BlueMTexpat Nov 2019 #98
Absolutely agree, BlueMTexpat peggysue2 Nov 2019 #99
Is Warren going to tell Nancy Pelosi she shouldn't be in the Democratic Pzrty? highplainsdem Nov 2019 #4
I'd like to see her try! peggysue2 Nov 2019 #16
That's ridiculous. I'm trying to decide between Warren, Buttigieg, Biden. emulatorloo Nov 2019 #5
Response to Biden campaign targeting her as being deceitful blm Nov 2019 #9
Sorry, that's no excuse for calling him a Republican emulatorloo Nov 2019 #12
She's getting dragged on twitter. nt Kahuna7 Nov 2019 #20
Umm.. boomer_wv Nov 2019 #25
Don't worry. That point has been made. Several times. nt Kahuna7 Nov 2019 #28
Good one! n/t customerserviceguy Nov 2019 #67
Ironic how you falsely insuinate that Bradshaw3 Nov 2019 #50
Quote: "accusing him of "running in the wrong presidential primary." emulatorloo Nov 2019 #62
That is an obnoxious, unfounded attack on Biden. I'd like to see their records side by side. George II Nov 2019 #6
And it's coming from someone who stayed a registered Republican for decades, as an adult, highplainsdem Nov 2019 #8
I didn't Rebl2 Nov 2019 #18
Here: highplainsdem Nov 2019 #29
Are you saying she has the experience to know one when she sees one? LonePirate Nov 2019 #32
Do you really want to compare records? Bradshaw3 Nov 2019 #51
Biden gave us the Violence against women act...Biden helped get a ban on assault weapons...biden was Demsrule86 Nov 2019 #70
Warren has zero cred in social justice causes. OldRed2450 Nov 2019 #78
Was it in response to Biden campaign accusing her of being blm Nov 2019 #10
Doesn't matter. No Democrat should call (or imply) that someone with Biden's record as a Democrat... George II Nov 2019 #14
Post removed Post removed Nov 2019 #17
Wow -- calling Warren a "never democrat" is appalling of you obamanut2012 Nov 2019 #21
+1 nt backtoblue Nov 2019 #23
That is the key. There are a lot of responses she could have fired back at Biden, but effectively still_one Nov 2019 #22
Facts. She did not say he was a republican. She said using Republican talking points. vsrazdem Nov 2019 #24
She said he was in the wrong presidential primary. There are only two parties with primaries. George II Nov 2019 #37
And his campaign did use a GOP talking point blm Nov 2019 #41
Wasnt the first time either backtoblue Nov 2019 #48
I feel the same way about Joe Manchin, but that doesn't mean I am saying he is a Rupublican. vsrazdem Nov 2019 #43
I'll take Biden's Democratic credentials over Warren's every day of the week. He was elected... George II Nov 2019 #45
+100000 emmaverybo Nov 2019 #46
I'll take any of them over Trump. vsrazdem Nov 2019 #54
Indeed. +1 emulatorloo Nov 2019 #63
Oh spare us the sanctimony BeyondGeography Nov 2019 #42
Exactly. JudyM Nov 2019 #100
I'll put it this way: While he spent decades fighting for human rights, she was on the opposite side Skya Rhen Nov 2019 #95
Reality isn't a Republican talking point. Scurrilous Nov 2019 #7
+1,000,000 highplainsdem Nov 2019 #15
The Military Industrial Complex is not full of big-spending gov.programs? YOHABLO Nov 2019 #11
Nothing is free. Medicare isn't free either. peggysue2 Nov 2019 #26
No pretending here. I'm on Medicare and have been since 2008. So don't bark at me. YOHABLO Nov 2019 #73
so Joe is now running as a republican? thanks liz I didnt know that nt msongs Nov 2019 #13
Bad move Warren comparing him to republicans. still_one Nov 2019 #19
This is a campaign for the POTUS, if there's a comparison to be made, go for it. YOHABLO Nov 2019 #74
Even if it is a LIE. OK, got it still_one Nov 2019 #77
It was a lie when he accused her of being a con like Trump blm Nov 2019 #80
I don't recall him of accusing Warren of being like Trump, but if he did he was wrong. What I still_one Nov 2019 #85
Same here, I had no intention of criticizing any D candidate. blm Nov 2019 #86
I hear you, understand, and agree still_one Nov 2019 #87
Thanks, old bud. blm Nov 2019 #101
++++++++ still_one Nov 2019 #109
I hate her 'my way or the highway' approach to everything Lexblues Nov 2019 #27
I don't like it either...but in this case she only hurt herself...anyone who is a Democrat knows Demsrule86 Nov 2019 #71
Warren is in the wrong primary too. boomer_wv Nov 2019 #30
LOL Scurrilous Nov 2019 #44
Oh, Elizabeth. NurseJackie Nov 2019 #31
So any critique or questioning of this plan Docreed2003 Nov 2019 #33
Third time she has accused a Dem critic of using Republican talking points against her. Much rather emmaverybo Nov 2019 #34
I hate the term "republican talking points". Always Laura PourMeADrink Nov 2019 #89
It's not just listening to moderate voters peggysue2 Nov 2019 #35
Wasn't Warren an actual republican at one point? Renew Deal Nov 2019 #36
She became a Democrat at the age of 47 ritapria Nov 2019 #38
Response from Biden's campaign manager: highplainsdem Nov 2019 #39
Oooops! She opened Cha Nov 2019 #61
That's a singularly bad approach on her part. MineralMan Nov 2019 #91
I love M4A and breaking up behemoth corporations and... at140 Nov 2019 #40
Joe has said similar of Warren... backtoblue Nov 2019 #47
Here's what I don't get. Obviously, Warren is a brilliant Laura PourMeADrink Nov 2019 #88
Jesus. ismnotwasm Nov 2019 #49
this sux. Kurt V. Nov 2019 #52
I agree backtoblue Nov 2019 #53
if warren or biden get the nom trump campaign will jump all over this. ugh. Kurt V. Nov 2019 #55
I'm with Joe and Pete Catamount Nov 2019 #56
What is " Medicare health"? I like that you mention Laura PourMeADrink Nov 2019 #113
The more Warren makes divisive attacks like this Dem4Life1102 Nov 2019 #57
I've been there for a long time and she's my Senator Green Line Nov 2019 #58
I don't have a problem with her policies Dem4Life1102 Nov 2019 #60
BTW - She was gracious towards Biden when he mistakenly blm Nov 2019 #66
IOKIYJB n/t MarcA Nov 2019 #79
This message was self-deleted by its author YOHABLO Nov 2019 #75
She should shut up when she's being called a con, or that she's deceitful blm Nov 2019 #65
So the majority of Democrats who prefer Biden's plan to hers are in the wrong party too? maximusveritas Nov 2019 #59
Post removed Post removed Nov 2019 #64
After Watergate, Joe Biden campaigned for Jimmy Carter. Elizabeth Warren voted for Gerald Ford. Otto Lidenbrock Nov 2019 #68
Indeed. She should not have said what she did... Demsrule86 Nov 2019 #72
Good point! Baked Potato Nov 2019 #103
I strongly disagree with this claim by Warren Gothmog Nov 2019 #76
What did the former republican say? nini Nov 2019 #81
I'm not for M4A OldRed2450 Nov 2019 #84
Funny, when I saw this I thought she meant wrong as in 4 years too late for last run, past his prime Baclava Nov 2019 #92
She would be the last one referring to someone else as "past ones prime". Skya Rhen Nov 2019 #93
She is infinitely closer to her prime... tonedevil Nov 2019 #102
Infinitely? Ridiculous. She is an elderly lady. She is old. So are Biden and Sanders. emmaverybo Nov 2019 #104
She is six years younger... tonedevil Nov 2019 #105
She is by most social measures an elderly lady. In fact, medically so considered. Elderly can be emmaverybo Nov 2019 #107
Can't say she isn't old... tonedevil Nov 2019 #108
😂 LOL emmaverybo Nov 2019 #110
Well said Senator. jalan48 Nov 2019 #94
Do you think Biden should be running in the republican primary? George II Nov 2019 #96
I don't believe he can run in both. jalan48 Nov 2019 #97
I'd ask all the Democrats who have endorsed him. He's one of the most respected and liked emmaverybo Nov 2019 #106
And let it be noted that she has hardly any endorsements, which reflects how she is received by the Skya Rhen Nov 2019 #111
Supporting the Obamacare does not make you a republican Gothmog Nov 2019 #112
Biden defends record after Warren attacks: I'm a 'card-carrying Democrat' Gothmog Nov 2019 #115
 

highplainsdem

(48,728 posts)
1. You'd think after Klobuchar swatted down that silly defense from Warren that she would have
Fri Nov 1, 2019, 05:10 PM
Nov 2019

known it wasn't working.

https://www.newsweek.com/klobuchar-draws-applause-after-slamming-warrens-medicare-all-pipe-dream-youre-making-1465486


A public option, Klobuchar continued, "would bring down the cost of the premium and expand the number of people covered and take on the pharmaceutical companies. That is what we should be doing, instead of kicking 149 million people off their insurance. I'm tired of hearing, whenever I say these things, 'Oh it's Republican talking points.'"

"You are making Republican talking points right now in this room by coming out for a plan that is going to do that," Klobuchar then said to Warren. "I think there is a better way that is bold, that will cover more people and that is what we should get behind."
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BlueMTexpat

(15,349 posts)
83. Why don't you post something positive
Sat Nov 2, 2019, 05:23 AM
Nov 2019

about Biden instead of sniping at Warren.

BIden sniped at her; she sniped back. It's not a good look for either, IMO.

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ritapria

(1,812 posts)
2. Elizabeth is putting on the Gloves
Fri Nov 1, 2019, 05:12 PM
Nov 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
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Undecided
 

Demsrule86

(68,351 posts)
69. Attacking Biden because she can't refute what he said...and funny that she says Biden is running in
Fri Nov 1, 2019, 10:54 PM
Nov 2019

the wrong primary...she is after all a former Republican. This sort of thing will not help her campaign.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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myohmy2

(3,118 posts)
114. it looks...
Sun Nov 3, 2019, 10:10 AM
Nov 2019

...our Bernie is becoming the only 'positive' Dem in the race...

...but that's understandable...

...Bernie's looking at a bigger revolutionary picture...

...we can do it...

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peggysue2

(10,811 posts)
3. I think Warren needs to read Krugman's comments
Fri Nov 1, 2019, 05:12 PM
Nov 2019

He gives her an A for effort but . . .

Am I enthusiastically endorsing this plan? No. I still think that a public-option-type plan, which lets people buy into Medicare, would have a better chance of actually becoming reality — and may well be where a President Warren actually ends up if she gets to the White House. And the plan’s optimism on costs and revenues could be wrong.


It's going to be a hell of a debate in November.

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BlueMTexpat

(15,349 posts)
82. Krugman - and I love him -
Sat Nov 2, 2019, 05:20 AM
Nov 2019

is an economist and and academic.

He is not an expert in finance, financial transactions and the law, nor has he had real-world experience in the nitty-girtty details of any.

Elizabeth Warren both is and has.

Remember that SHE - not Krugman nor any Dem candidate currently running - created the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau literally from scratch. She also created it despite strong pushback from some Dems.

If you're hanging your hat on Krugman's comments, please also remember that he has allowed for movement in her position (she is pragmatic after all) and the costs and revenues of ANY "plan's optimism" could be wrong.

***********
It seems that there are some who will NEVER be pleased by anything that Elizabeth Warren proposes. Like Hillary, she is damned if she does and damned if she doesn't.

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peggysue2

(10,811 posts)
90. I have little doubt that the calculations on costs and revenues on all these proposals
Sat Nov 2, 2019, 10:40 AM
Nov 2019

probably are off the mark. We all know from real-world experience that early calculations frequently change as projects are actually put into motion. I have no doubt that Elizabeth Warren has solid expertise in finance and financial transactions. However, her experience in 'how you get things passed' through our labyrinthian legislative process is something else. I’ll stick with Nancy Pelosi as the expert in that arena. Yes, Warren birthed the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau and yes, she got push back but she would not have had any success without key Democratic support for the agency.

Despite all the hollering, the American public at large is not ready to accept a complete overhaul of the healthcare industry once they realize private insurance will be disappeared. Everyone witnessed the struggle to gain passage of the ACA, the compromises that had to be made along the way. We can lecture until our faces are blue, talk about all the benefits of a M4A package but generally people will choose the devil they know over the unknown. And nothing will get done without the WH and solid majorities in the House and Senate. This whole brouhaha endangers all of that.

Now, here's something I picked up last night from a Washington Post article, something I thought was interesting. It's at the very end of the article and something I had not read before.

The senator also said that in coming weeks she will roll out a transition plan, adding, “Of course, moving to this kind of system will not be easy and will not happen overnight.”

That’s radically different and far more practical than what we’ve heard before, particularly from the Sanders’ camp, the idea that the Medicare for all could be set up in 4-5 years. In fact, it’s very close to what our other candidates have said about the public option—offer and pass the PO as a first, huge leap towards universal healthcare, the ultimate goal.

So, I’ll be waiting to see what this ‘transition’ is all about. Warren may save her bacon with that simple but pragmatic detail. Because rushing and insisting on an immediate M4A package is a loser for 2020. And anything that lessens our ability to win the next election is a no-go for me.

Because defeating Trump is everything.

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BlueMTexpat

(15,349 posts)
98. I absolutely concur with
Sat Nov 2, 2019, 04:42 PM
Nov 2019

you that defeating Trump is everything.

But I also believe - and you probably also share this belief - that we must also have Democratic majorities in the Senate and the House.

Or else our President, whichever Dem candidate that is, will once again stand alone and embattled, with his or her hands tied by zealots who have no consciences whatsoever.

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peggysue2

(10,811 posts)
99. Absolutely agree, BlueMTexpat
Sat Nov 2, 2019, 05:00 PM
Nov 2019

Those majorities are critical in getting anything significant done. But regardless, Trump and his enablers must be removed because they're a genuine threat to the Republic. I honestly don't think we or our institutions can afford another 4 years of rampant corruption and lawlessness.

We have a long, angst-driven year ahead.

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highplainsdem

(48,728 posts)
4. Is Warren going to tell Nancy Pelosi she shouldn't be in the Democratic Pzrty?
Fri Nov 1, 2019, 05:13 PM
Nov 2019
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peggysue2

(10,811 posts)
16. I'd like to see her try!
Fri Nov 1, 2019, 05:37 PM
Nov 2019


If there's one thing Nancy Pelosi knows better than anything or anyone, it's the business of getting actual votes to pass legislation.

No contest!
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emulatorloo

(43,979 posts)
5. That's ridiculous. I'm trying to decide between Warren, Buttigieg, Biden.
Fri Nov 1, 2019, 05:14 PM
Nov 2019

Maybe a better description is than “ridiculous” is that it is bullshit. Warren loses points for falsely insinuating Biden is a Republican. Poisoning the well.

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Undecided
 

blm

(112,920 posts)
9. Response to Biden campaign targeting her as being deceitful
Fri Nov 1, 2019, 05:23 PM
Nov 2019

Not pretty.

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emulatorloo

(43,979 posts)
12. Sorry, that's no excuse for calling him a Republican
Fri Nov 1, 2019, 05:28 PM
Nov 2019

She’s smart and tough, she can do better solid fact-based rebuttal than that. Too reminiscent of how the well was poisoned in 2016.

Of course your mileage may vary.

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Undecided
 

Kahuna7

(2,531 posts)
20. She's getting dragged on twitter. nt
Fri Nov 1, 2019, 05:42 PM
Nov 2019
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boomer_wv

(673 posts)
25. Umm..
Fri Nov 1, 2019, 05:55 PM
Nov 2019

Somebody should tell her there is only one candidate in the D primary who has actually been a Republican....

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Kahuna7

(2,531 posts)
28. Don't worry. That point has been made. Several times. nt
Fri Nov 1, 2019, 05:56 PM
Nov 2019
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Bradshaw3

(7,455 posts)
50. Ironic how you falsely insuinate that
Fri Nov 1, 2019, 06:44 PM
Nov 2019

She derided him for using repub talking points. That is in now way "falsely insinuating Biden is a Republican" as you wrote.

Have a nice weekend.

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emulatorloo

(43,979 posts)
62. Quote: "accusing him of "running in the wrong presidential primary."
Fri Nov 1, 2019, 08:00 PM
Nov 2019

So what “wrong presidential primary” do you think she’s accusing him of running in?

The Green Party? The Libertarian Party?

C’mon Bradshaw, we all know she meant The Republican Party. I know you are not a naive person.

Have a nice Saturday night.

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George II

(67,782 posts)
6. That is an obnoxious, unfounded attack on Biden. I'd like to see their records side by side.
Fri Nov 1, 2019, 05:17 PM
Nov 2019
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highplainsdem

(48,728 posts)
8. And it's coming from someone who stayed a registered Republican for decades, as an adult,
Fri Nov 1, 2019, 05:21 PM
Nov 2019

during some of the most liberal times in our history, while working in very liberal academia.

I'm glad she finally switched parties. I'm still amazed it took her so damn long.

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Rebl2

(13,309 posts)
18. I didn't
Fri Nov 1, 2019, 05:40 PM
Nov 2019

realize she was a Republican at one time.

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LonePirate

(13,386 posts)
32. Are you saying she has the experience to know one when she sees one?
Fri Nov 1, 2019, 06:00 PM
Nov 2019
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Bradshaw3

(7,455 posts)
51. Do you really want to compare records?
Fri Nov 1, 2019, 06:48 PM
Nov 2019

When it comes to liberal versus conservative policies? Biden used to be known as the senator from MBNA. Then there's his role in the mass incarceration issue. I'm surprised how long it's taken him to admit he may have been worng on these and man other issues.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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Demsrule86

(68,351 posts)
70. Biden gave us the Violence against women act...Biden helped get a ban on assault weapons...biden was
Fri Nov 1, 2019, 10:59 PM
Nov 2019

the first to put climate change/environmental issues on the floor of the Senate...Biden got Obama to change his mind on Gay marriage. Biden is a national treasure so yeah I will compare the policies and the character for that matter...and I will add that Warren helped the medical device folks because they are in Massachussetts...you have to look after your state.

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OldRed2450

(710 posts)
78. Warren has zero cred in social justice causes.
Sat Nov 2, 2019, 12:13 AM
Nov 2019

Zero. Biden may have made some mistakes but he has done a lot of good as well. A lot better than zero.

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blm

(112,920 posts)
10. Was it in response to Biden campaign accusing her of being
Fri Nov 1, 2019, 05:25 PM
Nov 2019

deceitful?

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George II

(67,782 posts)
14. Doesn't matter. No Democrat should call (or imply) that someone with Biden's record as a Democrat...
Fri Nov 1, 2019, 05:33 PM
Nov 2019

...is a republican.

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Response to George II (Reply #14)

 

obamanut2012

(25,911 posts)
21. Wow -- calling Warren a "never democrat" is appalling of you
Fri Nov 1, 2019, 05:44 PM
Nov 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
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still_one

(91,955 posts)
22. That is the key. There are a lot of responses she could have fired back at Biden, but effectively
Fri Nov 1, 2019, 05:44 PM
Nov 2019

calling him a republican I suspect will not go well for her. Democrats represents a lot of folks with various ideas


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vsrazdem

(2,176 posts)
24. Facts. She did not say he was a republican. She said using Republican talking points.
Fri Nov 1, 2019, 05:46 PM
Nov 2019
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George II

(67,782 posts)
37. She said he was in the wrong presidential primary. There are only two parties with primaries.
Fri Nov 1, 2019, 06:08 PM
Nov 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
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blm

(112,920 posts)
41. And his campaign did use a GOP talking point
Fri Nov 1, 2019, 06:13 PM
Nov 2019

as they accused her of being deceitful.

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backtoblue

(11,323 posts)
48. Wasnt the first time either
Fri Nov 1, 2019, 06:40 PM
Nov 2019
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/16/us/politics/joe-biden-elizabeth-warren.amp.html

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-debate/biden-rips-warrens-credibility-after-contentious-democratic-debate-idUSKBN1WV18G

The last thing the Democrats should be doing is playing Trump’s game and trying to con the American people to think this is easy. There’s nothing easy about it," he said.
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vsrazdem

(2,176 posts)
43. I feel the same way about Joe Manchin, but that doesn't mean I am saying he is a Rupublican.
Fri Nov 1, 2019, 06:15 PM
Nov 2019

He said she was decietful, she basically said he was using republican talking points. We are bound to hear much more of this as the campaigns heat up in the primary process. One thing we can be sure of, is we have an abundance of qualified people running for president, and whoever comes out in the end will have our support. This all he can't win, she can't win is just everyone stumping for their selected candidate, and in the end it doesn't mean crap. We will all come together to get rid of the ass in the White House.

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George II

(67,782 posts)
45. I'll take Biden's Democratic credentials over Warren's every day of the week. He was elected...
Fri Nov 1, 2019, 06:19 PM
Nov 2019

...to the Senate as a Democrat in 1972, more than 20 year before she even decided to become a Democrat. And they're only six years different in age.

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vsrazdem

(2,176 posts)
54. I'll take any of them over Trump.
Fri Nov 1, 2019, 06:58 PM
Nov 2019
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BeyondGeography

(39,283 posts)
42. Oh spare us the sanctimony
Fri Nov 1, 2019, 06:14 PM
Nov 2019

This was in response to Joe basically calling her a liar about MFA:

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/biden-says-warren-is-making-it-up-on-medicare-for-all-payment

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Skya Rhen

(2,701 posts)
95. I'll put it this way: While he spent decades fighting for human rights, she was on the opposite side
Sat Nov 2, 2019, 12:39 PM
Nov 2019
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Scurrilous

(38,687 posts)
7. Reality isn't a Republican talking point.
Fri Nov 1, 2019, 05:17 PM
Nov 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
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YOHABLO

(7,358 posts)
11. The Military Industrial Complex is not full of big-spending gov.programs?
Fri Nov 1, 2019, 05:25 PM
Nov 2019

ACA is not free. You do have to pay premiums.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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Undecided
 

peggysue2

(10,811 posts)
26. Nothing is free. Medicare isn't free either.
Fri Nov 1, 2019, 05:56 PM
Nov 2019

Call it a premium, call it a tax, there is no such thing as free healthcare. People who can't afford it will be subsidized as they should be. The rest of us will pay in some form: point of service or taxation. To pretend otherwise is simply wrong.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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YOHABLO

(7,358 posts)
73. No pretending here. I'm on Medicare and have been since 2008. So don't bark at me.
Fri Nov 1, 2019, 11:27 PM
Nov 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

msongs

(67,193 posts)
13. so Joe is now running as a republican? thanks liz I didnt know that nt
Fri Nov 1, 2019, 05:32 PM
Nov 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

still_one

(91,955 posts)
19. Bad move Warren comparing him to republicans.
Fri Nov 1, 2019, 05:41 PM
Nov 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

YOHABLO

(7,358 posts)
74. This is a campaign for the POTUS, if there's a comparison to be made, go for it.
Fri Nov 1, 2019, 11:33 PM
Nov 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

still_one

(91,955 posts)
77. Even if it is a LIE. OK, got it
Sat Nov 2, 2019, 12:09 AM
Nov 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

blm

(112,920 posts)
80. It was a lie when he accused her of being a con like Trump
Sat Nov 2, 2019, 03:08 AM
Nov 2019

And when his campaign said she’s deceiving the American people.

And when he said he went to the floor of the house and got her the votes on CFPB. No. He actually wasn’t lying then, he just confused that vote with ones he did. But, that sure didn’t stop his supporters here from smearing Warren as ungrateful and mean, even though she graciously didn’t tell him at the debate that he was confused and when interviewed afterwards would not be baited into criticizing him for his mistake.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

still_one

(91,955 posts)
85. I don't recall him of accusing Warren of being like Trump, but if he did he was wrong. What I
Sat Nov 2, 2019, 06:14 AM
Nov 2019

thought his criticism involved was questioning Senator Warren's credibility regarding her paying for M4A, but if he accused her of being like Trump then he deserves to be criticized for that, and it would be in my view of the same category as implying that Biden should be running in the republican primary. Both are very bad form for both candidates, but understandable if Biden fired the first shot.

Incidentally, most of Warren's rebuttal toward Biden's criticism of her M4A plan I have no issue with. The part where she implies he should be running in the republican primary, that is where I have the problem, and if Biden said Warren was like Trump I have the same problem with that.

This was the quote attributed by Warren:

“Democrats are not going to win by repeating Republican talking points and by dusting off the points of view of the giant insurance companies and the giant drug companies who don’t want to see any change in the law that will bite into their profits,” Warren fired back.
“But if anyone wants to defend keeping those high profits for insurance companies and those high profits for drug companies and not making the top 1 percent pay a fair share in taxes and not making corporations pay a fair share in taxes, then I think they’re running in the wrong presidential primary," she added."

From my perspective the only issue I had in that quote was when she implied he should be running in the republican primary. If Biden said a similar thing about Warren I have the same problem with that also

In my view calling or implying their Democratic rivals are republicans are tactics that are counterproductive. When Hillary put forth a similar, but milder argument against Obama comparing her and McCain's experience to tackle any crisis, while Obama offered nothing, I believe that worked against her at the time.

As to the CFBD, I have no argument with you on that. The CFBD was Warren's signature piece of legislation, and Biden trying to claim credit for it was simply wrong, and he rightfully deserved to be criticized for it.

As for how one's supporter's behave, I do not hold a candidate responsible for a supporters actions, unless that supporter is part of the campaign for that candidate.



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primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

blm

(112,920 posts)
86. Same here, I had no intention of criticizing any D candidate.
Sat Nov 2, 2019, 07:53 AM
Nov 2019

I restrained myself many times. This latest pile on to Warren for giving a bit back to the camp constantly maligning her just went too far.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

still_one

(91,955 posts)
87. I hear you, understand, and agree
Sat Nov 2, 2019, 08:28 AM
Nov 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

blm

(112,920 posts)
101. Thanks, old bud.
Sat Nov 2, 2019, 06:00 PM
Nov 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Lexblues

(180 posts)
27. I hate her 'my way or the highway' approach to everything
Fri Nov 1, 2019, 05:56 PM
Nov 2019

She has a way of deflecting criticism of any plan by saying if you're against her plan, then you're for the other side. She won't engage in any meaningful debate or dialogue. She just says her plan is the best and nothing else will work and if you support a different plan, then you're for the rich and powerful.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Demsrule86

(68,351 posts)
71. I don't like it either...but in this case she only hurt herself...anyone who is a Democrat knows
Fri Nov 1, 2019, 11:01 PM
Nov 2019

Biden's record...he is as I said before a national treasure.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

boomer_wv

(673 posts)
30. Warren is in the wrong primary too.
Fri Nov 1, 2019, 05:57 PM
Nov 2019

With that plan she should be running for President of Never Never Land, because it's a fairy tale.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Docreed2003

(16,817 posts)
33. So any critique or questioning of this plan
Fri Nov 1, 2019, 06:00 PM
Nov 2019

Is just Republican talking points?

Good to know so many Democrats opinions are worthless to some people.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

emmaverybo

(8,144 posts)
34. Third time she has accused a Dem critic of using Republican talking points against her. Much rather
Fri Nov 1, 2019, 06:02 PM
Nov 2019

she’d rebut critics’ arguments than use that trite expression and try to shame the person.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Laura PourMeADrink

(42,770 posts)
89. I hate the term "republican talking points". Always
Sat Nov 2, 2019, 08:50 AM
Nov 2019

Used against Dems who don't agree. To me, it's like the only thing you can think of to say in an argument, when you've run out of valid points.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

peggysue2

(10,811 posts)
35. It's not just listening to moderate voters
Fri Nov 1, 2019, 06:02 PM
Nov 2019

It's listening to the American public across the board who find the public option the more attractive choice. Comparing Joe Biden to a Republican is ridiculous. The Republicans have no plan for healthcare beyond taking away benefits from everyone.

Criticizing an unrealistic program is not Republican framing. Or maybe Senator Warren would like to try that argument on Krugman or Pelosi?

Big mistake!

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Renew Deal

(81,801 posts)
36. Wasn't Warren an actual republican at one point?
Fri Nov 1, 2019, 06:03 PM
Nov 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

ritapria

(1,812 posts)
38. She became a Democrat at the age of 47
Fri Nov 1, 2019, 06:09 PM
Nov 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

highplainsdem

(48,728 posts)
39. Response from Biden's campaign manager:
Fri Nov 1, 2019, 06:12 PM
Nov 2019




You have to be kidding me. Warren was a Republican until she was 47 years old while Joe Biden has spent his life helping elect Democrats across the country and served with honor in the Senate and with Pres Obama.
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Cha

(295,909 posts)
61. Oooops! She opened
Fri Nov 1, 2019, 07:47 PM
Nov 2019

the door on that one.

Have I told you I hate primaries? It's my 4th one on DU.

Mahalo for Greg Schultz' tweet, hpd!

"..Biden's running in the wrong primary.." may have sounded good in their heads but actually.. not so brilliant.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

MineralMan

(146,192 posts)
91. That's a singularly bad approach on her part.
Sat Nov 2, 2019, 10:48 AM
Nov 2019

It's going to cost her some support. Joe Biden is a solid, life-long Democrat. It's way to easy to point out that Elizabeth Warren is not that. Bad mistake. It's going to backfire on Warren, I guarantee.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

at140

(6,110 posts)
40. I love M4A and breaking up behemoth corporations and...
Fri Nov 1, 2019, 06:13 PM
Nov 2019

all other progressive agenda from Senator Elizabeth Warren.
Every American deserves healthcare taken care of without fear of going bankrupt.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

backtoblue

(11,323 posts)
47. Joe has said similar of Warren...
Fri Nov 1, 2019, 06:26 PM
Nov 2019
And, you know, credibility matters. It matters. And the question that I think that Senator Warren is going to have to face, she’s going to have to tell the truth or the question will be raised about whether or not she’s going to be candid and honest with the American people,” he said.

“The last thing the Democrats should be doing is playing Trump’s game, trying to con the American people to think this is easy,” Mr. Biden said.



https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/16/us/politics/joe-biden-elizabeth-warren.amp.html


Note: This primary is going to get dirty, im afraid
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Laura PourMeADrink

(42,770 posts)
88. Here's what I don't get. Obviously, Warren is a brilliant
Sat Nov 2, 2019, 08:45 AM
Nov 2019

person. I love how she has researched policies and has such command of the facts. I love how energetic and passionate she is.

What I do not get, is the disconnect between the reality of where the country is right now. With a majority we barely pushed a smaller idea through -ACA let alone MFA or UHC. We now see 49% of the country who doesn't even believe trump should be impeached. How in the world could anyone believe that a sea change could see the light of day?

So why scare people (price sticker shock) and why make the other side think that something will happen when it's likely it won't?

All I know is that the strategy of saying something will cost $20 trillion is absolutely a show stopper. You think Republicans talked about how much their tax giveaway would cost? Hell no.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

backtoblue

(11,323 posts)
53. I agree
Fri Nov 1, 2019, 06:56 PM
Nov 2019

Biden has compared Warren to being a con like Trump (see my post above)

Theyre both better than this mudslinging.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Kurt V.

(5,624 posts)
55. if warren or biden get the nom trump campaign will jump all over this. ugh.
Fri Nov 1, 2019, 07:01 PM
Nov 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Catamount

(1,762 posts)
56. I'm with Joe and Pete
Fri Nov 1, 2019, 07:24 PM
Nov 2019

I think it's dreadful that any of the other candidates would attack Biden at this point.

They should speak up for him, support him against the orange monster instead of doing the very thing Warren accused him of doing.

Every one of them should keep that in mind, that we have one huge goal.
We must win, but lets not engage in this cult of personality like the opposition does.

We are in high danger every day with this man in office, as you all know.
Personally I always wanted Biden to be the nominee but will support the winner whomever they are, even if I dont personally like them.

We have so much to be grateful to
for Joe, his service to this country especially in his 8 years with President Obama
without going way back into history.
We all evolve...(mostly).

He is also beloved around the world, and would help so much to heal this wounded planet.
Maybe he could even become VP again, if all else fails.

I still dream of dream teams like Kamela and Joe, or Cory and Amy
Liz and Castro, etc, may a Stacey somewhere in there!

I hope that Beto finds a great post on whatever the new dem administration is!
IMHO

One more thing, I can never understand why we cant have medicare health as well as insurance by choice simultaneously, like the system in Australia ! Works perfectly well!

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Laura PourMeADrink

(42,770 posts)
113. What is " Medicare health"? I like that you mention
Sun Nov 3, 2019, 09:56 AM
Nov 2019

Another country. We can learn so much by studying what works and what doesn't in many respects. I think we are unique in that we are fully entrenched in a for profit system. So how you transition becomes a huge constraint to deal with.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Dem4Life1102

(3,974 posts)
57. The more Warren makes divisive attacks like this
Fri Nov 1, 2019, 07:28 PM
Nov 2019

the less I like her.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Green Line

(1,123 posts)
58. I've been there for a long time and she's my Senator
Fri Nov 1, 2019, 07:34 PM
Nov 2019

I’m really tired of her pie in the sky plans.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Dem4Life1102

(3,974 posts)
60. I don't have a problem with her policies
Fri Nov 1, 2019, 07:44 PM
Nov 2019

I like politicians with a big vision. I don’t like nasty attacks on fellow Democrats. It’s what turned me off to Sanders after voting for him in the 16 primary. To me it shows a lack of character. Warren’s refusal to thank Biden in the debate showed that too.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

blm

(112,920 posts)
66. BTW - She was gracious towards Biden when he mistakenly
Fri Nov 1, 2019, 09:09 PM
Nov 2019

Said he went to the floor and got the votes on CFPB. He did it with other votes, but, NOT that one. She was being kind to him by not telling him he was confused. What other candidate would have shown that restraint?

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden

Response to Green Line (Reply #58)

 

blm

(112,920 posts)
65. She should shut up when she's being called a con, or that she's deceitful
Fri Nov 1, 2019, 09:05 PM
Nov 2019

and just making things up, right?

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

maximusveritas

(2,915 posts)
59. So the majority of Democrats who prefer Biden's plan to hers are in the wrong party too?
Fri Nov 1, 2019, 07:38 PM
Nov 2019

This is a key difference I see between the Biden/Buttigiegs who may have policy disagreements with Warren/Sanders but aren't looking to divide the party and hurt our chances in November

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden

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Otto Lidenbrock

(581 posts)
68. After Watergate, Joe Biden campaigned for Jimmy Carter. Elizabeth Warren voted for Gerald Ford.
Fri Nov 1, 2019, 09:45 PM
Nov 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Demsrule86

(68,351 posts)
72. Indeed. She should not have said what she did...
Fri Nov 1, 2019, 11:04 PM
Nov 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Gothmog

(143,999 posts)
76. I strongly disagree with this claim by Warren
Fri Nov 1, 2019, 11:43 PM
Nov 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

nini

(16,670 posts)
81. What did the former republican say?
Sat Nov 2, 2019, 03:35 AM
Nov 2019

Wow.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

OldRed2450

(710 posts)
84. I'm not for M4A
Sat Nov 2, 2019, 05:35 AM
Nov 2019

It's insulting to me as a voter that she would suggest I am voting in the wrong primary.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Baclava

(12,047 posts)
92. Funny, when I saw this I thought she meant wrong as in 4 years too late for last run, past his prime
Sat Nov 2, 2019, 12:00 PM
Nov 2019

Maybe its subliminal, lol

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Skya Rhen

(2,701 posts)
93. She would be the last one referring to someone else as "past ones prime".
Sat Nov 2, 2019, 12:31 PM
Nov 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

tonedevil

(3,022 posts)
102. She is infinitely closer to her prime...
Sat Nov 2, 2019, 06:12 PM
Nov 2019

than is he to his.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

emmaverybo

(8,144 posts)
104. Infinitely? Ridiculous. She is an elderly lady. She is old. So are Biden and Sanders.
Sat Nov 2, 2019, 07:16 PM
Nov 2019

They are super-agers, but all are old past 65.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

tonedevil

(3,022 posts)
105. She is six years younger...
Sat Nov 2, 2019, 07:20 PM
Nov 2019

That's one and a half Presidential terms.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

emmaverybo

(8,144 posts)
107. She is by most social measures an elderly lady. In fact, medically so considered. Elderly can be
Sat Nov 2, 2019, 07:26 PM
Nov 2019

in their prime. But it is a bit much to say Warren is “infinitely” more in hers than Biden. They are in the same generation, both old, which need not be a pejorative term.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

tonedevil

(3,022 posts)
108. Can't say she isn't old...
Sat Nov 2, 2019, 08:02 PM
Nov 2019

I think she's a few years until elderly. VP Biden is a couple of years past. They are in significantly different places career wise.if he doesn't become President he will fade off into the sunset. If she doesn't she has another likely 3 more terms as Senator. That she would be younger going into a second term than he would going into his first seems significant to me.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

George II

(67,782 posts)
96. Do you think Biden should be running in the republican primary?
Sat Nov 2, 2019, 01:02 PM
Nov 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

jalan48

(13,797 posts)
97. I don't believe he can run in both.
Sat Nov 2, 2019, 01:15 PM
Nov 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

emmaverybo

(8,144 posts)
106. I'd ask all the Democrats who have endorsed him. He's one of the most respected and liked
Sat Nov 2, 2019, 07:21 PM
Nov 2019

in our party, and around the world. Obama did not put that medal around his neck for nothing.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Skya Rhen

(2,701 posts)
111. And let it be noted that she has hardly any endorsements, which reflects how she is received by the
Sat Nov 2, 2019, 08:29 PM
Nov 2019

Party.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Gothmog

(143,999 posts)
112. Supporting the Obamacare does not make you a republican
Sat Nov 2, 2019, 08:42 PM
Nov 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Gothmog

(143,999 posts)
115. Biden defends record after Warren attacks: I'm a 'card-carrying Democrat'
Sun Nov 3, 2019, 10:58 AM
Nov 2019



“Yesterday, Elizabeth Warren suggested I was ‘running in the wrong presidential primary’ because I believe in building on Obamacare — not getting rid of it. That's so wrong, it’s almost laughable. I’ve been a card-carrying Democrat since I was 27. And I am running for president because of my progressive record,” Biden wrote in an email to supporters, hitting Warren for registering as a Republican for years before becoming a Democrat.

“If my opponents want to have a debate on what they've done to truly implement progressive, meaningful change in our country — not what they’re planning, not what they’re proposing, but what they’ve accomplished — I welcome it,” he added, swiping at Warren’s “I’ve got a plan for that” mantra. “But to hurl insults because we don’t share the same approach for the best way to get to the same goal…well that is something I would expect in the other primary.” ….

Biden slammed Warren’s “Medicare for All” plan Friday, saying that the plan's proposed $9 trillion tax on employers would be passed off to companies’ employees.

“For months, Elizabeth Warren has refused to say if her health care plan would raise taxes on the middle class, and now we know why: because it does,” said Biden deputy campaign manager Kate Bedingfield. “Senator Warren would place a new tax of nearly $9 trillion that will fall on American workers.”
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