Bennet: If every Dem who disagrees with your plan is now a "Republican," you're only serving Trump

[Skya Rhen]

Link to tweet

[Scurrilous]

1. K&R

[brush]

28. That quote doesn't make sense. "If every Dem who agree with youe plan is now a repug...?

What the hell does that mean?

[OnDoutside]

2. That sounds like pressure on Warren, to come out with a line like that.

[Thekaspervote]

4. It does. Slipping in the polls, she is probably being pushed. Or maybe that's the direction she feel

She needs to take

[OnDoutside]

6. Ultimately, jumping on MFA just to "mark" Bernie, has turned out

to be damaging for Warren and Harris. It might have been a plan, but it wasn't well thought out.

[vsrazdem]

10. Its Biden who is slipping in the polls, I don't expect him to be in it for the long haul.

[redstateblues]

13. Projection

[brooklynite]

42. So on that basis, Sanders will be dropping out first?

Biden has averaged 25-30% for the past nine months. Sanders has.....not.

[vsrazdem]

43. Sanders is ahead of Biden in both Iowa and NH, plus has much more money on hand, so no.

[Lordquinton]

44. Slipping i the polls?

Biden is, yes, Warren is on a steady climb. She's overtaking the front runner spot in many battlegrounds.

[Thekaspervote]

3. Yes ... one will not find a more dedicated public servant or promoter of Dems and the platform

[emulatorloo]

5. Thanks for posting this n/t

[ritapria]

7. Elizabeth Warren has gotten adoring media coverage thus far

She now faces the scrutiny and the challenges that naturally entail from her recent success in the polls …….

[George II]

8. Yes. I was going to use that exact word..she's facing scrutiny like many others have had previously.

[ritapria]

9. New Harris Poll has Biden still way ahead Nationally

Biden 33% Bernie 18% Warren 15%

[vsrazdem]

11. I don't think that will last long.

[redstateblues]

14. They've been saying that since he started running

[emmaverybo]

18. What you think is based merely on what you hope.

[vsrazdem]

21. My feeling is that he is not leading in either Iowa or New Hampshire. He will probabl win SC, but

then going into Nevada and super Tuesday, he may win some southern states, bue he can't even win California, so I dont see him in it after Super Tuesday.

[question everything]

12. I can only hope that this will be the beginning of a downhill for her

[redstateblues]

15. It's an unforced error for sure

[MustLoveBeagles]

16. Ouch

That's disappointing. I wish she hadn't gone there.

[Otto Lidenbrock]

17. After Watergate

[Celerity]

26. from your own article, she voted for Carter in '80. Ford was the only Repub POTUS she ever voted for

https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2019/04/12/elizabeth-warren-profile-young-republican-2020-president-226613


here is a list

[Otto Lidenbrock]

29. So we agree that she voted for the President who let Nixon off the hook...

And set a precedent that the President is above the law.

It's topical in relation to the current state of affairs.

[Celerity]

35. not sure what candidate you support, but I can think of one who really doesnt want to go back to

the 1970's and look at actual votes as a lawmaker, as opposed to a one off by a twenty something law school student (recently graduated)

You attempts to paint Warren as a crypto Repub are weak.

[Demsrule86]

19. She was a GOP for more than half her life...until 47 I believe...so kind of ironic. I think she is

in trouble and slipping a bit.

[Celerity]

25. you are posting disinformation about Warren

I am not a Warren supporter at all, Biden would win the general atm more easily than she would, but I am so tired of seeing the same claptrap spread about Warren for months by multiple accounts (the vast majority coming from either Sanders or Biden supporters) with the same modus operandi, designed to cast doubt and uncertainty about her and (in some cases over the past year or so) either infer she is some crypto Rethug stalking horse or even outright claim that. Below are multiple articles, including an April 2019 article where she specifically says she did not vote for Reagan or any other Rethug for POTUS, except for Ford in 1976, and was only a registered Repub from 1991-1996.

here is a snip from that (the full excerpt is further down):

According to Warren, in the six presidential elections she voted in before 1996, she cast her ballot for just one GOP nominee, Gerald Ford in 1976.

Warren was only a registered Repug for around 5 years (1991-96) and the only Rethug POTUS she voted for was Ford.

1972 McGovern (she detested Nixon)
1976 Ford
1980 Carter (she did not like Reagan)
1984 Mondale
1988 Dukakis
1992 Bill Clinton
1996 (the last year she was a registered Republican, she switched before the 1996 general election) Bill Clinton
2000 Gore
2004 Kerry
2008 Obama
2012 Obama
2016 Hillary Clinton

She registered Repub in PA in 1991 because she like Arlen Specter (ironic as he too changed to Democratic)

Other Republican to Democratic Party switchers include: (are you going to have a go at them?)

Former Republicans Howard Dean, Leon Panetta, Chris Coons (has Biden's old seat in the Senate), Carolyn McCarthy, Harley Rouda, Gabby Giffords, James Webb, Wendy Davis, Gil Cisneros, Jim Jeffords, Patrick Murphy, and Specter himself, etc.etc etc.

Some of them even ran (oh the HORROR!) for President.









More on Warren:


https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2019/04/12/elizabeth-warren-profile-young-republican-2020-president-226613

Warren has acknowledged her Republican past before, but she does not often discuss it, or else downplays it. In a recent interview over tea at her home in Cambridge, Massachusetts, she said she assumes the first time she registered as a Democrat was 1996, but added, “I’m not even 100 percent sure what I was registered as.” According to Warren, in the six presidential elections she voted in before 1996, she cast her ballot for just one GOP nominee, Gerald Ford in 1976. She does not talk about her Republican past in either of her books or as part of the biography she recounts in her stump speech; the information often comes as a surprise even to Beltway politicos and longtime Warren allies.

https://thinkprogress.org/why-elizabeth-warren-left-the-gop-e78680711424/

Warren has quickly become a populist hero to liberals. Stephanopoulos, host of ABC’s The Week, noted something in her background that “might surprise” her supporters: the fact that she has voted Republican in the past, and was a registered Republican in Pennsylvania from 1991 to 1996. Warren said she left the party after that because she felt it was siding more and more with Wall Street:

I was an independent. I was with the GOP for a while because I really thought that it was a party that was principled in its conservative approach to economics and to markets. And I feel like the GOP party just left that. They moved to a party that said, “No, it’s not about a level playing field. It’s now about a field that’s gotten tilted.” And they really stood up for the big financial institutions when the big financial institutions are just hammering middle class American families. I just feel like that’s a party that moved way, way away.

Warren’s instincts on the GOP’s sympathy for the big financial institutions proved prescient. Former Senator Phil Gramm (R-TX) spent the 1990s spearheading legislation that made the 2008 financial crisis possible: the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act, which broke down the firewall between commercial banks and the far riskier investment banks, as well as the Commodity Futures Modernization Act, which deregulated the over-the-counter derivatives that played a key role in the 2008 financial collapse. Both bills passed with majority Republican support, though they were also supported by a good deal of Democrats and the Clinton White House.

snip

She grew up in an FDR Democratic household.

Her first vote the POTUS was AGAINST Nixon in 1972. She did vote for Ford, but liked Carter. She voted Carter in 1980 and Mondale in 1984. In 1988 she voted for Dukakis, and in 1992, Clinton. Obviously voted for Clinton again in 1996 and every other Democrat since then. She registered as a Republican because she had moved to PA and liked Arlen Specter, who also switched to our Party from Republican.

Her first presidential vote, in 1972, had been cast against a man she said she disliked passionately, Richard Nixon. But reflecting on how little she had paid attention to day-to-day politics at the time, she couldn’t immediately recall who had been running against him. When told it was Democrat George McGovern, she said, Yes, she would have voted for him but didn’t have any specific memory of having done so. (She was living in New Jersey at the time.)

Going to the polls, she said, was nothing new for her. Warren’s mother had been a poll worker and brought her young daughter to the polls each Election Day.

Nixon was re-elected that year, of course, but resigned and was replaced by Gerald Ford. Warren said she had voted for him in 1976, believing that “Ford was a decent man.”

But she was happy with Jimmy Carter, who beat him. “I thought he [also] was a decent man,” she said, transferring her then-standard for what she wanted in a politician from Ford to Carter. “He was a really good man.”

As the ’80s wore on and her research on bankruptcy progressed, Warren started waking up politically. At the time, though, the two parties had yet to separate entirely along ideological lines, as some deeply conservative and racist Democrats still held office, as did some genuinely liberal Republicans.

In 1988, Warren voted for Michael Dukakis but, in 1992, split her ticket, voting for Republican Arlen Specter for Senate and Democrat Bill Clinton for president. Specter is a good example of the one-time flexibility of the party system and the politicians within it: He began and ended his career as a Democrat, but was a Republican for much of the middle of it.

By the fall of 1987, she had moved to Pennsylvania and registered there as a Republican. Warren said she couldn’t quite remember why she did it but that she was a fan of Specter. “Again, I thought he was a decent man,” she said. She couldn’t recall whom he ran against. (His Democratic opponent was Lynn Yeakel.)

That GOP registration, though, has set off speculation over the years that one of the Senate’s most progressive champions may have at one time been a Ronald Reagan backer.

So we asked her: Is it true? Is it possible the champion of the regulatory cops on Wall Street voted for the man who made deregulation a hallmark of his presidency?

No.

In 1980, she said, she was a registered independent living in Missouri City, Texas, and cast her vote to re-elect Carter.

When Reagan won, she wasn’t happy but not crushed the way she was on election night in 2016. “I was disappointed and didn’t like him, but I wasn’t deeply worried for the country, not anything like when Trump was elected,” she explained. If she could go back in time, she said, she would tell herself “this was a far more pivotal historical moment than you understand.”

snip


Warren also has the 2nd lowest Trump Score in the entire Senate, only training Gillibrand


https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/congress-trump-score/




115th





For a contrast, compare that to the highest Trump Scores for Democratic Senators (Manchin, if you look at just the last full Congress, voted with Rump around 61% of the time)

All Congresses



115th only

[Demsrule86]

36. In her own words during an interview....I certainly am not passing out disinformation and I think

what she said about Biden being in the wrong primary was wrong on her part and she didn't defend MFA...just an ad hominem attack. Below is some stuff online...lots more if you google...so maybe you won't accuse me of passing out disinformation again because I didn't.

Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D-MA) told George Stephanopoulos Sunday that she left the Republican Party in the mid-90s because it was tilting the playing field in favor of Wall Street.

Warren has quickly become a populist hero to liberals. Stephanopoulos, host of ABC’s The Week, noted something in her background that “might surprise” her supporters: the fact that she has voted Republican in the past, and was a registered Republican in Pennsylvania from 1991 to 1996. Warren said she left the party after that because she felt it was siding more and more with Wall Street:

https://thinkprogress.org/why-elizabeth-warren-left-the-gop-e78680711424

County governments in New Jersey and Texas, where Warren lived in the 1970s and ’80s, could not locate Warren’s voter registration records, and the senator herself is circumspect about her political past. But records from the time Warren spent living in Pennsylvania and Massachusetts make clear that she was a registered Republican for at least several years of her midcareer adult life. It was not until 1996—when Warren was 47 years old and a newly minted Harvard law professor—that she changed her registration from Republican to Democrat.

https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2019/04/12/elizabeth-warren-profile-young-republican-2020-president-226613

[Celerity]

40. I 100% stand by my post.

You always are shooting spun-up angles, always against anything that doesn't fit you narratives. You do it on a myriad number of posts, always spinning and slanting and false framing in Biden's favour, and at the same time attacking all the other candidates, just like you are doing now. That is my opinion and I am standing by it.

Her POTUS voting records alone show your attempts (to paint her as some life long Rethug until 1996, with that intended inference of nefariousness and thus frame that spin in such a way as to implant doubt into peoples' minds in regards to her in the present) to be a fail.

[peggysue2]

20. Good one on Michael Bennet!

[OldRed2450]

22. Elizabeth Warren was a republican when Biden

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was fighting the good fight for civil rights, workers rights, lgbtq rights and more. I find her condescending in her remarks. If Biden does fall behind... I won't switch to her and this is why. If she is the nominee I will work my ass for her against Trump.

[BlueMTexpat]

24. Remember these as well?

...
The Bankruptcy Abuse Prevention and Consumer Protection Act (BAPCPA) was passed in April, 2005 by the U.S. Senate in a 74-25 vote, including the "yea" vote of Joe Biden, and was quickly signed by President Bush.
...
In light of what occurred in its wake, this law is easily one of the most disgraceful aspects of the Bush and Biden legacies. The harm it did to middle-class Americans, especially during the crushing events of the recession four years later, is immeasurable. The bill made it nearly impossible for average families to file Chapter 7 bankruptcy protection, also known as "clean slate" bankruptcies intended to discharge nearly all debts, a matter of a few years before they'd need it the most. The bill instituted an all new means test to determine whether debtors with insurmountable financial hardships earned enough income to pay back all or part of their unsecured debts, specifically credit debt. If they earned too much, a clean slate bankruptcy became impossible, and they'd be forced to file Chapter 13, which would force debtors to pay back their debt over a five-year timeline, thus legalizing neo-indentured-servitude to creditors. ...

https://www.salon.com/2015/10/21/joe_bidens_greatest_betrayal_the_one_senate_vote_that_makes_it_hard_to_support_a_biden_run/

...
Formally known as the Violent Crime Control and Law Enforcement Act of 1994, Biden’s bill reshaped American federal criminal justice in several controversial ways.

It imposed mandatory life sentences for people with three or more federal convictions on violent crime or drug-trafficking charges, known as the "three strikes" provision. (Biden pushed back against efforts to broaden that provision to nonviolent felonies.)

The law also dangled federal funding to states who passed "truth-in-sentencing" laws for state-level convictions. To get the money, states had to require violent offenders serve out at least 85% of their sentence. This was the product of political horse-trading between Democrats who wanted more money for drug courts and other programs to keep people out of prison, and Republicans who wanted to add more prison space.
...

https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2019/may/30/joe-biden/joe-biden-1994-crime-bill-mass-incarceration/

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Hillary Clintpn took all sorts of flack, especially for the second, in 2016. She wasn't even in the Senate at the time.

These actions - and others - make it very difficult for ME to support Joe Biden.

Nevertheless, if he is the nominee for the GE, he will have my vote.

[OldRed2450]

30. Oh. The GE...

I will not only vote for her, I will donate and work for her. I'm talking about the primary.

[BlueMTexpat]

32. Then we are truly on the

same team, no matter which candidate we support in the primary.

Good luck to you!

[OldRed2450]

33. Hell ya!

I'm busting butt this year to beat the orange one.

[Demsrule86]

37. Oh please, you can drive a truck through that law...anyone who wants a bankrupcy gets one...not hard

My sister-in-law had two since the law was passed. The only difference was a means test was added to see who qualified for Chapter 7 and who had to do chapter 13...and you take a couple of courses online. And if you end up in Chapter 13, often you pay way less than what you owe...good luck with that.

[Gothmog]

23. Joe Biden has been a member of the party for his entire life

Link to tweet

[brutus smith]

27. I've noticed that Biden people attack fellow Dems more than anyone.

[emmaverybo]

31. Do we call them Republicans? That's the attack at hand, not criticism in general. Surely Warren

can find arguments to defend her plan rather than resort to baseless ad hominem attack. The math will get questioned by rival candidates and their supporters. “That’s a Republican talking point” will not put their concerns to rest. And in the GE, she will have to face Republican attack with more than stating the obvious. Best get prepared now.

[Demsrule86]

39. She can't defend the plan because it won't work in its current form.

[Demsrule86]

38. No one has been attacked more than Biden and Biden supporters.

[emmaverybo]

41. Not one of them and not their supporters.

[melman]

34. So it's better to say someone is "serving Trump"?

Okay. That's terrific.

[Gothmog]

45. Biden defends record after Warren attacks: I'm a 'card-carrying Democrat'

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“Yesterday, Elizabeth Warren suggested I was ‘running in the wrong presidential primary’ because I believe in building on Obamacare — not getting rid of it. That's so wrong, it’s almost laughable. I’ve been a card-carrying Democrat since I was 27. And I am running for president because of my progressive record,” Biden wrote in an email to supporters, hitting Warren for registering as a Republican for years before becoming a Democrat.

“If my opponents want to have a debate on what they've done to truly implement progressive, meaningful change in our country — not what they’re planning, not what they’re proposing, but what they’ve accomplished — I welcome it,” he added, swiping at Warren’s “I’ve got a plan for that” mantra. “But to hurl insults because we don’t share the same approach for the best way to get to the same goal…well that is something I would expect in the other primary.” ….

Biden slammed Warren’s “Medicare for All” plan Friday, saying that the plan's proposed $9 trillion tax on employers would be passed off to companies’ employees.

“For months, Elizabeth Warren has refused to say if her health care plan would raise taxes on the middle class, and now we know why: because it does,” said Biden deputy campaign manager Kate Bedingfield. “Senator Warren would place a new tax of nearly $9 trillion that will fall on American workers.”