Warren misquoted: Bloomberg hatchet job.

[crazytown]

It's discouraging how DU'ers compete to put the the worst spin on statements by our candidates. I'm sure Biden supporters know how that feels.

Bloomberg libeled Elizabeth Warren in the piece titled "Warren Derides Biden as Running in 'Wrong Presidential Primary".

What Warren actually said was "If anyone wants to defend keeping those high profits for Insurance companies, and those high profits for Drug companies, and not making the top 1% pay a fair share in taxes, and not making corporations pay a fair share in taxes, then I think they are running in the wrong presidential primary".

It's a pretty unremarkable statement - all candidates tax plans will result in higher taxation of corporations and the top 1%, all candidates favor lower drug prices, and all the health plans put forward also introduce further restrictions on Insurance company premiums.

The 'Republican talking points' was a reference to doing nothing at all. "You know, Democrats are not going to win by repeating Republican talking points, and by dusting off the points of view of the giant Insurance companies, and giant Drug companies who don't want to see any change in the law that will bite into their profits."

The reference to Joe Biden, was about disputing her costings:-

“The cost projections that we have on Medicare were authenticated by President Obama’s head of Medicare. Our revenue projections were authenticated by President Obama’s labor economist. And the employer contribution is already part of the Affordable Care Act that President Obama put into the Affordable Care Act. So if Joe Biden doesn’t like that, I’m just not sure where he’s going."

The answer in full is here-
https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/468587-warren-fires-back-at-biden-criticism-of-medicare-for-all-plan

[George II]

1. It's in the last 10 seconds of the video.

[crazytown]

3. ?

Which I thought I had quoted in full.

[George II]

7. She was asked a question about Biden's criticism of her plan. So who was she referring to....

...when she said that?

Bloomberg had the same take on her comments.

Plus, she also said this:

“Democrats are not going to win by repeating Republican talking points,” the Massachusetts senator said in Des Moines, Iowa. “So, if Biden doesn’t like that, I’m just not sure where he’s going.”

[crazytown]

9. That's not what she said George.

Here's the actual quote:-

“The cost projections that we have on Medicare were authenticated by President Obama’s head of Medicare. Our revenue projections were authenticated by President Obama’s labor economist. And the employer contribution is already part of the Affordable Care Act that President Obama put into the Affordable Care Act. So if Joe Biden doesn’t like that, I’m just not sure where he’s going."

[Eliot Rosewater]

28. Ya know what I am taking from all this bickering, we will lose if we dont

prepare ourselves FOR UNCONDITIONAL and AGGRESSIVE support for WHOMEVER is the candidate.

I dont care who it is, I also am a bit worried that M4A which is the RIGHT THING TO DO may scare some middle of the road voters and we need them.

But besides that we better ALL get behind ONE candidate and soon. This is life and death.

[redqueen]

4. I would tend to agree, but then who is she talking about?

She's obviously referring to someone running in this presidential primary, or she wouldn't have said anything about someone running in the wrong presidential primary.

[crazytown]

5. She is defending the principles underlying her health care plan

democratic principles ... if someone disagrees with all of them, they are adopting a Republican position.

It's a hell of a leap to say '"Warren Derides Biden as Running in 'Wrong Presidential Primary"

[redqueen]

6. But she didn't say 'if anyone disagrees, they're agreeing with republicans',

she specifically said that they are *in the wrong presidential primary*

So it was clearly a swipe at someone.

[crazytown]

8. The criteria Warren laid out doesn't fit Biden or Buttigieg, or even Delaney

It is a statement of principle.

[redqueen]

10. That's true, the things she said don't describe anyone's position,

which IMO makes it all the more troubling that she closes it with the clear implication that she is referring to one of the Dem candidates.

[crazytown]

11. I think this is the first answer Warren has given to the question.

There were a lot of ums and ahs. I would be surprised if she sharpened it into a broadside against competing campaigns.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

13. Elizabeth's policy positions are the very definition of principle!!

Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

12. What else is new?!

Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

[at140]

14. Warren #1, Biden #4 in Iowa poll

The New York Times–Siena College poll released Friday showed Warren with 22 percent support from likely Democratic caucusgoers, Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) with 19 percent, South Bend, Ind., Mayor Pete Buttigieg (D) with 18 percent and Biden with 17 percent. All four fall close to the poll's margin of error of plus or minus 4.7 percentage points.

[beastie boy]

17. And that makes Warren right and Biden wrong... how?

Or perhaps you are just posting a random observation that has nothing to do with the thread?

In that case... never mind!

[at140]

18. It simply means voters are smarter than hatchet jobs by media

Warren is rising regardless.

[emulatorloo]

19. It is hard to poll the Iowa Caucus. It's more complicated than a primary.

I have been to several. Depends who can show up for 3 or 4 hours, depends on who their second choice is if their first choice isn’t viable. Tons of variables

She is doing well. Great!

[beastie boy]

21. If you want to make this case, you will have to qualify it.

You would have to argue that, based on your criteria, voters are smarter in Iowa alone.

And in the rest of the country, voters are... what, dumber because they overwhelmingly support Biden?

[at140]

43. Iowa Univ is my alma-mater, I know Iowa personally!

Iowans are most certainly smarter than national average.
And I have lived in 5 states and spent time in 13, and traveled to 49 (all except Hawaii).

[beastie boy]

15. "Authenticated" doesn't mean "approved" or "endorsed"

Biden's criticism of Warren's plan was in part based on the authentications mentioned by Warren. Implying that Biden must agree with her plan because members of the Obama administration had checked out her numbers, or else he doesn't know where he is going, is quite a bit of a stretch, to say the least.

On edit: note that Biden is critical of Warren's plan, and Warren is critical of Biden personally.

[Farmer-Rick]

16. Thanks for posting the truth

[OldRed2450]

20. It's the same...

[crazytown]

22. DU'ers competing to put the the worst spin on statements by our candidates

Yes it is.

[not fooled]

23. On a related media take

Yesterday on MSNBC Steve Kornacki came on, substituting for Brian Williams, and in his show opening rundown of topics to be covered he said something like "...and coming up, the hefty price tag on Elizabeth Warren's health plan". I didn't stick around but chances are this was a misdirection emphasizing the cost but not the benefits, or the overall lower cost and savings.

That's how MSNBC, let alone other corporate media outlets, will attempt to poison the minds of the average "Murican against her.

[Demsrule86]

34. That is to be expected. Warren will be vetted just like any other candidate eventually if not by

the media by Trump ET AL should she get the nomination.

[not fooled]

35. Vetting is one thing

Misdirecting by stating "high cost" is deceptive and IMO purposely chosen intending to create negative perception before people understand her plan. The overall cost is lower.

[Demsrule86]

40. I am not sure the overall cost can be determined at the moment...and it will be expensive.

But it is a fair criticism. There is evidence that it will be more expensive.

[not fooled]

42. Here is a reasoned analysis

Including of the funding.

[link:https://www.esquire.com/news-politics/politics/a29667387/elizabeth-warren-healthcare-plan-corruption-inequality/|]

Elizabeth Warren's Healthcare Plan Has All the Ambition Democratic Voters Should Demand

The senator professor fit healthcare into her core message on corruption and the money power.

...Let us get the requisite hunk of cynical reality out of the way right here at the top. Absent the kind of national landslide that killed off the Whigs and Federalists, or a sudden discovery within the Republicans of a vestigial collective conscience, no Democrat's healthcare plan will get through to the president's desk out of a Senate led by Mitch McConnell. Therefore, any debate on the topic within the Democratic primary process is largely aspirational. (After all, only Joe Biden has publicly endorsed the actual existence of that mythical beast: The Republican Who Can Be Reasoned With.)

Not that there's anything wrong with that. It's good to aspire to things. It's good to throw the cap over the wall. It also helps if your plan is as carefully constructed and precisely reasoned as the one Senator Professor Warren put out there on Friday, the one that so thoroughly answers the question, "How're you gonna pay for it?" that people should be embarrassed to ask it again. Dave Dayen at The American Prospect has as good a summary of the 9,300 pages as you can find. (Dayen shrewdly points out that single-payer plans are generally held to a ludicrously high standard by politicians and pundits.) And he makes one magnificent catch: the Warren plan re-institutes a systemic risk fee that was eliminated in the negotiations over the Dodd-Frank financial reform bill at the request of...wait for it...Scott Brown. SPW has a plan. She also has a memory.

There are three elements of the new plan worth studying right off the top. First of all, it is designed as a mechanism for universal coverage. Long ago, in 2003, I was riding around Iowa with Howard Dean when he still was the only person running for president—George W. Bush hadn't yet announced for re-election—and he emphasized that the primary goal of any overhaul of the healthcare system should be universal coverage and not necessarily cost controls. Warren's plan does that. Second, it is perfectly consonant with the anti-corruption, anti-monopoly power theme of her entire campaign. The plan aims to bring antitrust enforcement to the healthcare sector.

And third, it factors into its calculations a cut in the defense budget, which used to be a big deal for Democrats, but which hasn't been a top-line item in presidential campaigns for a while. And, again, this is premised on the same principles on which is premised her campaign—that the money power has paralyzed self-government to the point at which it is not capable of doing much of anything, a situation with which the money power is more than content. Defense-industry corporations are just as avaricious and just as blind to the public interest as corporations generally are, if not more so. If it does nothing else, the new plan integrates healthcare into a general criticism of economic inequality and disadvantage. It connects healthcare to dozens of other economic "kitchen-table" issues that have arisen since the nation's wealth began its headlong flight upwards in the 1980s.

[Demsrule86]

44. I don't agree the cost is lower and the cost has been revised up. I think it is impossible to know

the true cost and having spent the morining trying to keep my sis in law from being kicked out of her nursing home/rehab facility becaus medicare doesn't pay for more than 60 days or some such thing...she broke her leg in four places after a fall in the house. I can't care for her at home. She was already in bad shape and it was increasingly difficult. She is three times the size of me and can't get up or down or walk...we are attempting to get her on medicaid...it is a very difficult task. I am not feeling kindly towards Medicare at the moment. And even if we get her on Medicaid, she still will have reduced physical therapy...at 67 years old, she could spend the rest of her life in this facility. There are enough holes in Medicare to drive a truck through. And what people don't get is that wraps don't cover anything that medicare doesn't cover and are expensive too. Not looking forward to being on this plan at 65 much less anytime sooner.

[Bradshaw3]

24. Thanks but don't expect any backtracking

Those going after Warren will continue to repeat this false meme on here, just as they have others in spite of the facts.

[blm]

32. They think only their guy should be allowed to throw elbows without

any pushback, and without any correction of the record when he gets it wrong.

[Demsrule86]

37. What facts do you refer too...I am truly curious...clearly she meant Biden so how did Bloomberg

misrepresent? And criticizing MFA is a difference of opinion not an attack...I support the ACA with a public option which is a Democratic position though different than Warrens.

[BeyondGeography]

25. Yup

And they jumped all over it like it was a lifeline.

Desperation noted.

[elleng]

26. Thanks

for stating FACTS.

[crazytown]

27. It's discouraging when people prefer to shoot up on H8

rather than checking the facts.

I had to transcribe Warren's answer, as none of the services reported it in full. Bloomberg's piece was flagrantly dishonest.

[blm]

36. Not many showed up on this thread. They prefer the spin because

they’ve convinced themselves that they are the saviors of this election cycle.

[crazytown]

38. More like the saviors of this 48hr cycle.

Elizabeth Warren can defend herself most effectively if she chooses to do so.

[blm]

39. ✔️

[saljr1]

29. Expect the negative articles to continue

From wall street and even corporate democrats. They do not want Warren as nominee.

[LakeArenal]

30. I criticized this comment as presented...

I do apologize if this is a correction.

I HATE when every word Biden has said I the last 30 years has to be parsed and dissected to every possible negative conclusion. It’s been happening to the front runner since before he entered.

So now Warren is a front runner and every word she says is being dissected.

Politics is dirty business. The part Dems hate and of which Repukes excel.

I have no problem saying I resent Warren.
I think her part in the Franken thing is a deal breaker for me no matter what her message is now.

But damn, she is a Democrat. And far superior to any Republican. ANY.

[crazytown]

31. Bloomberg report flagrantly dishonest. nt.

[Demsrule86]

33. How does that change what she said? Clearly she was referring to Biden...and it was an unfortunate

statement.

[dgauss]

41. "It's discouraging how DU'ers compete to put the the worst spin on statements by our candidates."

K&R for that one sentence alone.