Democratic Primaries
Related: About this forumSo why did Trump go all out to get dirt on Biden? Why not BS or Warren?
I think its pretty obvious. His fondest wish would be to run against either of them. He knows he can win. His attack lines will practically write themselves. Biden, not so much. We have to fast forward to the general and put aside our pipe dreams. Were not going to get free college or Medicare for all. In fact the thing that will prevent this country from enacting the agenda so many of us want is racism. Some white people can be counted on to vote against their own self interest cuz welfare queen and Mexicans might get their tax money. Time to wake up folks...you wont get your unicorn riding over the rainbow, but we might be able to hold on to our democracy, but sad to say we wont get both.. For the record, if I could wave my magic wand Id love to see a President Warren, but it aint gonna happen. No time for games folks.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Stuy
(43 posts)At the moment.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Dream Girl
(5,111 posts)😏
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Green Line
(1,123 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,280 posts)Dolt 45 knows he's not likely to win California or Massachusetts or Vermont, but he's counting on Pennsylvania, Ohio, Michigan and Wisconsin. Biden has a better chance of taking those states than Warren or Sanders.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
democratisphere
(17,235 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Lordquinton
(7,886 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
democratisphere
(17,235 posts)It obviously makes a huge difference.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
4139
(1,893 posts)Hes just using Bidens stuff to make his stuff not seem so bad
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Fiendish Thingy
(15,369 posts)If we let Trump's fears define who we select as a nominee, then we have already lost.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
redqueen
(115,096 posts)But I still like this:
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Dream Girl
(5,111 posts)Would be a huge hurdle
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Dream Girl
(5,111 posts)In questionable health. Too much anti-Semtism. Plus hes not particularly likeable, but maybe thats just me.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Fiendish Thingy
(15,369 posts)Excluding other candidates with the potential for bold, courageous leadership and substantive change.
Funny you didn't mention it, but America could be ready to elect a smart, progressive college professor from Oklahoma, who just happens to be a woman.
Democrats shouldn't vote with their amygdala's - leave that to the Republicans.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Lordquinton
(7,886 posts)OH WAIT
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Dream Girl
(5,111 posts)would prompt the highest levels of black turnout.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
MarcA
(2,195 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Dunnjen
(65 posts)Bernie dirt had a chance last time. Hunter is new dirt that was low hanging. Warren doesn't have much dirt so he'd have to go on policy. Biden is easy to pick on.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
TryLogic
(1,721 posts)not to mention Biden leading in the early poles. Putin probably helped Trump put this all together. Putin helps Trump again, the attack on the 2016 election can be blamed on Ukraine, sanctions eased on Russia, defense money withheld from Ukraine so Russia can keep moving on Ukraine. Putin continues his happy.
Perhaps we should all ask Putin how to proceed toward the next election. He and his operatives seem to be really good at messing with democracies.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
sacto95834
(393 posts)Biden was a "retired" VP and was starting on the speaker's tour and his son's activities were making the rounds. When Biden threw his hat in the Ring, it was too tempting for Trump to not get info from the source. I am not saying the Orange Menace was correct, but I think in his demented mind he was perfectly fine asking foreign governments for "dirt."
Naturally he has never bothered to read the constitution or listen to his horrified staff when the deed was done. In their attempt to hide the truth from the public, his staff tried damage control. And here we are...fortunately, we have brave and patriotic Americans who put country first before party or individuals.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Bradshaw3
(7,455 posts)This line of thinking seems to give rump some special powers of insight. We usually laugh at that idea but I guess any port in a storm for some.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
brush
(53,475 posts)might go to POCs, as if POCs don't pay taxes too.
One thing though, I still think MFA can be achieved over time by building on the very popular and already-in-place ACA. IMO Warren made a critical mistake by going all-in on Medicare for all. Now she's walking that back with a transition plan because of the pushback she got on how to pay for it and the alleged job losses.
Most progressive Dems want single-payer healthcare but those of us with a clear history of how things get done in this country know big, huge, monumental change doesn't happen overnight from one candidate from the left or right promising to implement it.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
MadLinguist
(781 posts)So even if someone else wins the primary, if the POS POTUS could pin whatever concocted nonsense on Biden, he and his necromancers believe they would be pulling down the opposition's statue of Obama. Accomplishing this, in their fantasy, would bring hordes of joyful racists to the polls, and so thoroughly demoralize the Democrats that the masses would stay home on election day.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
caraher
(6,276 posts)I understand the argument here but it is pure speculation regarding Trump's motives. Even if Trump prefers to run against Biden rather than Sanders or Warren that doesn't mean that Biden is the best candidate to beat Trump. Trump could actually be mistaken (imagine that!).
My own calculation is that we win this election through turnout. I see much more enthusiasm and motivation in our left wing. I honestly cannot see what is supposed to excite me about voting for Biden over any of the top-tier/middle-tier candidates beyond a fuzzy nostalgia for the Obama years.
I'm not swayed by polling a year of the head of the election that shows Biden doing better against Trump than other Dems. There's a long campaign ahead. The only poll that matters is in November of next year. To give a sense of why (and this is just the first poll from my Google search of November 2015 poll results) here is an alternate history of the last election:
I also find the "unicorn riding over the rainbow" line pretty insulting. I'm pragmatic enough to realize that, for instance, neither Sanders nor Warren will be able to implement the policies they are campaigning on by the stroke of a pen. (And based on what we've seen with Obamacare, a program whose roots lie in right-wing politics, there's a huge chance that significant reforms will be bottled up for years in the courts Trump is packing, even if we somehow win the Senate and Presidency.) There are certainly Warren and Sanders supporters with a poor understanding of how hard it is to make big transformations, but many of us are realists.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Demsrule86
(68,355 posts)which is essential to an electoral college victory...Biden is feared by Trump because he is the most electable Democratic candidate.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Dream Girl
(5,111 posts)That are starting to warm towards, Warren, I dont see her being that compelling particularly for older AA. Obama won overwhelmingly due to black turnout.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
MadLinguist
(781 posts)amongst Democratic candidates. This division-sowing effect of the crap the so-called president has been crafting and spewing surely is bringing smiles of sheer joy to GOPers and their allies. Do we really need to engage in that doo-doo?
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Dream Girl
(5,111 posts)How many languages do you speak anyway?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
MadLinguist
(781 posts)As far as the number of languages I am competent enough in to converse in, it happens to be 5.
But I am the kind of linguist who studies the cognitive underpinnings that give rise to language, not the kind you'd employ as a simultaneous translator.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Dream Girl
(5,111 posts)my first linguistics class was not what I expected at all. It was quite tough as I recall! I did not change my major.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
MadLinguist
(781 posts)that was really tough. So I changed my major and never looked back.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
StarfishSaver
(18,486 posts)We didn't know about Ukraine two months ago and what we've heard about so far is probably only the tip of the iceberg. Who knows what other criminal behavior he's been engaged in that just hasn't been revealed yet?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Autumn
(44,765 posts)foreign company. Hunter Biden was not under investigation, and there is no evidence of wrongdoing done by him in Ukraine but Trump exploited his position anyway. He would have done the same with a family member of any top Democrat. Those people who hate welfare queens and Mexicans? No Dem is going to get their vote. But it is important to not push voter discouragement by saying we aren't going to attempt to get things done that the people want like MFA and free college tuition.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Dream Girl
(5,111 posts)Social policies. Until very recently many of those countries were pretty homogeneous. So everyone was basically part of the same tribe. No one was concerned about them getting their stuff. As for racists, there are plenty of dems in the rust belt (and elsewhere) who hate blacks and Hispanics, I assure you. Im a black woman who grew up in Ohio. Sadly, socialism doesnt have a prayer in the US- we are living in a very sick country...racism for some is ingrained in identity. Those folks are very malleable and they are not going away.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Autumn
(44,765 posts)very sick. The people in VA who hated Obamacare loved the ACA. They like "their socialism", someone had to make sure everyone gets it. And that won't be the Republicans
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Skya Rhen
(2,701 posts)not consider Bernie a threat - he views Biden as a threat. I agree with OP.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Autumn
(44,765 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
cwydro
(51,308 posts)Spot on.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
disndat
(1,887 posts)on Biden because Bidden is his biggest threat. In the general election, Warren would be crushed by Wall St, and big corporations with
her pipe dreams plans and their big money.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Arkansas Granny
(31,484 posts)IMO, the main goal for Democrats right now is to defeat Trump. I may not agree 100% with any of the front runners, but any of them will be better than Trump. I want our candidate to be the most likely to win.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
emmaverybo
(8,144 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
aikoaiko
(34,127 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
SonofDonald
(2,050 posts)I don't think they have any ties to Ukraine that can be exploited for fraud and a payday for dumpf of money or election help
A lot of opinions said the Biden BS was just icing on the cake after the rest
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
crazytown
(7,277 posts)He started on 'Low Energy Jeb' then moved onto to 'Pathological' Ben, then 'little Marco' and finally 'Lyin Ted'
Jeb was the frontrunner, so trump started with him.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Dream Girl
(5,111 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
crazytown
(7,277 posts)Trump was flirting with a third party run, but set it aside.
Jeb was the frontrunner, the favorite, so trump started with him. Other candidates tried to stay out of his way, but once trump was finished with Jeb, he moved onto them.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Dream Girl
(5,111 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
crazytown
(7,277 posts)then throw everything at Warren. The fact that he has mostly left her alone (so far) is in keeping with his 2015/16 tactics.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Dream Girl
(5,111 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
crazytown
(7,277 posts)trump took Ted apart,
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
CentralMass
(15,265 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Mike Nelson
(9,903 posts)... wants to run against Bernie or Elizabeth. Also, Biden was Obama's VP... he goes along with the Deplorables' idea that Hillary and Obama are the root of all evil. I guess we can add Biden to them...
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Dream Girl
(5,111 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
TryLogic
(1,721 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
emulatorloo
(43,982 posts)Also I thought I read somewhere recently that he asked China to get dirt on Warren and Biden.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
andym
(5,441 posts)I think Trump for once is probably correct. I do think most of the other Democratic candidates would also beat Trump, but the election would be closer. I personally like the idea of having someone like Warren get in, because she should push the political consensus leftwards, especially regarding economic, pro-government regulation-based liberalism which has been under attack since Reagan.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Dream Girl
(5,111 posts)and its gotta be a landslide so its not stealable. Voting with my head, not my heart.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Hassin Bin Sober
(26,273 posts)Hes afraid of Bernie and, to a lesser extent, Elizabeth.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
LiberalLovinLug
(14,154 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Dream Girl
(5,111 posts)He would win in a blowout. I'm 100% progressive, but smart enough to know that America does not look like DU...
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
TryLogic
(1,721 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
redstatebluegirl
(12,264 posts)The "free stuff" and "they want to take away your insurance" ads write themselves.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
DallasNE
(7,392 posts)A candidate always tries to manipulate the list of opponents whereby knocking down the strongest and building up the weakest. But the conclusion seems to be that Trump is only looking for dirt on Biden. Let me assure you, he is also actively looking for dirt on Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren as well.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
TripleKatPad
(313 posts)...especially (or maybe only) when it comes to hate and identifying enemies.
Trump listens to Rudy.
Rudy despises Biden, wants desperately to take him down.
IMO, this is at least part of what underlies Trump's obsession with Biden.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Dem4Life1102
(3,974 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Beartracks
(12,761 posts)... of voters, and not just ourselves, in order to win by margins big enough (and in the critical places, too) to overwhelm the cheating tactics arrayed against us.
To just run the favorite candidate of progressive Democrats runs the risk of leaving voters split down the middle in the general election, easy enough for cheating to push towards the Republicans and be explained away, as always, as being within the margin of error.
This a fear of mine anyway, and I don't think it's unfounded. I'm leaning Warren, but would be thrilled with Biden -- because winning the White House, and the Congressional coattails provided by that win, is of paramount importance to achieving anything on the progressive agenda. And I am definitely in favor of the progressive agenda, if we can get there.
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primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
maximusveritas
(2,915 posts)As a reminder:
https://www.axios.com/elizabeth-warren-2020-trump-dream-candidate-b8caec95-26b3-44b4-9e53-d8fedcea56ce.html
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Dream Girl
(5,111 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
TidalWave46
(2,061 posts)Trump is running a GE campaign. He stands against things, not for them. Biden is currently his opponent. It can easily change over time.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
live love laugh
(13,009 posts)has propped Biden up from Day 1 and they continue to. It seems to me that its not a coincidence that Bidens their favored opponent being demographically closest to Trump. Trump went after Warren initially but switched focus to Biden and has kept it there.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
flamingdem
(39,304 posts)and we NEED to win!
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden