Center Left democrats flip seats.

[OldRed2450]

Left of left democrats seem to only win in democrat strong holds that are not seat flipping. That is my take away tonight.

[Skya Rhen]

1. That's my take away, as well.

[OldRed2450]

2. Yes.

Democrats have to be strategic in who runs where.

[TexasTowelie]

4. I've tried to make the same point

about the endorsements of AOC and Justice Democrats for Jessica Cisneros over U.S. Rep. Henry Cuellar. The people in his district are satisfied with his performance and the benefits that his district receives because of his tenure in Congress. I expect Cuellar to win his primary by at least fifteen percentage points in March even though people from other states are donating heavily in order to defeat Cuellar.

[crazytown]

11. Cuellar fundraised against MJ Hegar in a close contest.

Party loyalty comes first. Turf him out.

[TexasTowelie]

12. Could it be that Cuellar just didn't like Hegar?

I'm not as impressed with Hegar as most of the people on DU are because her personality rubs me wrong. Perhaps Cuellar feels the same way? I tried to keep an open mind, but when Hegar recently said that she opposed an assault weapons ban she fell out of my top three candidates that I'm considering for Senate.

Hegar also has no legislative experience, while her opponents, Chris Bell and Royce West do have legislative experience. While some have questioned Royce's involvement with getting a law school for the University of North Texas approved and funded, I consider it as being able to "bring home the bacon" for his constituents who are mostly minorities in southern Dallas. I'll say that is a monumental achievement for a Democrat in a Republican controlled Legislature and it shows that he is able to work with others, including those outside of the Democratic party.

Another opponent of Hegar is Amanda Edwards, who was elected to the Houston City Council. Meanwhile, Hegar has never held elected office. Hegar may have military command experience, but receiving and issuing orders isn't the same as forming relationships with her fellow colleagues so that goals can be accomplished.

And while party loyalty is important, I'll never vote for a candidate if they are unqualified for the position or if I doubt their ethical or moral values. In the cases of Cisneros and Hegar, I don't have any doubts about their ethics or morality, but I do believe that the other candidates are better matches with my own values and with the values of the constituents they intend to represent.

[Cha]

3. Exactly what I was thinking earlier..

Just like the majority of the red seats flipped in the Democratic House Victory in 2018!

DEMOCRATS FLIP THE VIRGINIA STATE SENATE FROM RED TO BLUE

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100212657271

"mike pence's home town flipped to Blue".. What! Andy Beshear in Kentucky!

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[Thekaspervote]

5. This!

[Cha]

7. Aloha, Kasper.. Congratulations to Dems

tonight! grouphug: party:

[KPN]

6. Did any "left of left" lose tonight?

[Demsrule86]

8. The point is that in order to win seats in red or purple states, we need moderates...it was 40

moderates won the house. We live in a center left country and must win hearts and minds in order to move left...which would be a good thing.

[pazzyanne]

14. Amen, Demsrule86.

Amen!

[KPN]

16. We don't live in a center left country. We live in a

brainwashed, too busy working at life to pay attention or care, egocentric country. I get the point, but disagree with the fundamental premise. Though I do agree “we must win hearts and minds to move left”. We do that by progressives like Warren, Sanders and others stumping on economic justice issues.

[OldRed2450]

28. We're a big tent

I'm saying we need to put up strong candidates and be strategic in where to place them.

[Demsrule86]

32. I will say some on the left want a 'turn withoutdoing the heavy lifting to

Change hearts and minds. It will never workand we lose elections because of this mindset.

[Demsrule86]

38. No, you don't win hearts and minds in make or break the Republic elections...it starts at the

grass roots level...local...house races..not the presidential election...the work has to be done before a progressive is nominated for president. The country must shift left before a candidate like Warren will win a general. I would vote for her but this will not be a base election...three states will tell the tale...MI, WI and PA.

[TexasTowelie]

13. Instead of tonight's results

you might want to check the results of the primaries that were prior to tonight's election to get your answer. If the "left of left" candidates already lost, then they aren't going to show up in tonight's results.

[KPN]

18. Good point.

I’m just asking a question that seems directly relevant to the claim being made. The claim is essentially dependent on it. For that reason, I don’t buy the claim or it’s premise universally. Nearly every red state has a significant blue island or islands within it. Seed-sources for change. The argument for running moderates makes sense in theory where moderates have won a primary. I see more value than cost in economic positions being contested at the primary level.

[OldRed2450]

26. I don't think anyone disagrees

Primaries are democratic and make us stronger so long as the loser gets on when mathematically eliminated.

[TidalWave46]

31. Here is the argument.

AOC can beat who was one of the most progressive member in our party in a primary and then is guaranteed the seat in the general.

Whereas Charlie Crist can sneak his way through and beat out a Republican for a house seat, as was done.

I agree with most of your point above where you counter the "we are a center left country." Your reply needs to be said over and over again. But the premise in the op is pretty accurate.

[Demsrule86]

33. The left wins in blue areas.. This limits their electoral

opportunities.

[Cha]

9. Just a FYI!!

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[empedocles]

27. trump helps Dems, especially those Dems that don't get in Dem's way of winning.

[Cha]

10. Democrats woke up and started voting in off year elections. When we vote, we win. Keep going Dems!

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[RandiFan1290]

15. Divisive garbage

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[betsuni]

17. Why? Isn't the Democratic Party a big tent?

[Cha]

21. Now he's going on about "comrades".. I don't know

who he thinks he's kidding.

[betsuni]

23. I guess we are comrades? Because all of us must live in the correct time zone in the U.S.?

We used to be David Brock's paid shills.

[BannonsLiver]

37. +10000

irony is dead with some people, and also their memories of 2016 and what foreign entities favored which Dem in the 2016 primaries has apparently been erased. Or maybe it’s still just good old fashioned denial. Will leave it at that.

[Cha]

19. No, your post is. The OP is reality.

Link to tweet

[KPN]

20. Sort of.

[TidalWave46]

25. Common sense is not divisive garbage. NT

[Cha]

22. Exactly true.. if someone has some different information

they should post it instead of resorting to insults.

[TidalWave46]

24. Common sense for most.

Which is often the same as the destruction of others fantasies.

[DeminPennswoods]

29. Warren endorsed candidate wins At Large seat on Phila city council

In an upset, Kendra Brooks won a seat on Philadelphia's City Council. The seat she won is generally resevered for the minority party, in Phila's case the GOP. She ran on the Working Families Party ballot line and also had the endorsement of Sen Warren.

Link: https://www.inquirer.com/news/pennsylvania-2019-election-results-20191106.html

In Philadelphia, Kendra Brooks became the first candidate from outside the two major parties to win a City Council seat in the 100 years since it adopted a modern legislative structure. Running as a Working Families Party candidate, Brooks won one of the at-large Council seats that the city charter effectively reserves for candidates from outside the majority party. For the past 70 years, those two seats have been filled by Republicans.
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“We broke the GOP," Brooks said at a victory party in North Philadelphia. "We beat the Democratic establishment. ... They said a black single mom from North Philly wasn’t the right person but we have shown them that we are bigger than them.”

The election didn’t just showcase Democrats defeating Republicans, but also progressive insurgents beating machine Democrats.

And

Brooks had the backing of Liz Fiedler, a progressive state representative, District Attorney Larry Krasner and City Councilwoman Helen Gym. Brooks also benefited from the help of the national Working Families Party and the endorsement of Democratic presidential candidate Elizabeth Warren.

[OldRed2450]

30. I'm super excited for Kendra Brooks

and the WFP. It's great news. These seats are in heavy blue district but reserved for a minority party.

[Demsrule86]

34. She won in a blue area.

[DeminPennswoods]

35. So?

There are two arguments I read quite often from supporters of other candidates. One that AfAms don't support Warren. The other that there's an unquenchable thirst for a centrist candidate.

Brroks' win shows the narrative that Warren doesn't have support of or supports AfAms isn't true.
It also shows the appetite for big change, not centrist incrementalism, as Brooks defeated the GOP and bucked the Dem establishment to win.

[MineralMan]

36. Yes, exactly, and we need those Democrats to get elected.

Scorning them is a bad, bad idea.