Biden rips 'condescending' Democrats ...

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Biden rips 'condescending' Democrats at Pittsburgh fund-raising speech

In a speech to deep-pocketed Democratic donors, politicians and real estate executives Tuesday evening in Pittsburgh, former Vice President Joe Biden called out “condescending” Democrats who believe it’s their way “or the highway” and lambasted President Donald Trump for damaging America’s standing internationally.

“There’s no way to get anything done, there’s no way to bring this country together, there’s no way to beat Donald Trump if we don’t start talking about what we’re for and why you can be extremely progressive but not be off the wall ... and [why you can be] extremely progressive but not be socialist,” Mr. Biden said to an audience of more than 200 in a hotel ballroom.

Though he didn’t mention her by name, Mr. Biden slammed Massachusetts Sen. Elizabeth Warren for saying earlier this week that the former vice president is “running in the wrong presidential primary.”

“On one level, it’s kind of funny,” Mr. Biden said. “I’ve been a Democrat my whole life. This person (Warren) has only fairly recently in the mid-’90s become a Democrat.” (Warren was registered as a Republican until 1996. She voted Republican for many years.

https://www.post-gazette.com/news/politics-nation/2019/11/05/Joe-Biden-Pittsburgh-visit-fundraiser-president-campaign-election-2020/stories/201911050145

[cwydro]

1. I guess he's getting a bit nervous lol.

No reason to do that otherwise.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

7. Joe's nervous to say the least... it's understandable!!

Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

[melman]

23. Yes

Attacks like this are not a sign of confidence.

[cwydro]

31. I agree.

I think he’s nervous, and I think his campaign advisors are even more nervous.

[treestar]

58. Let's hope EW does not respond

He's not allowed to respond to remarks about himself, so I would assume she should not either, or she's "getting nervous." Actually, there was no reason for her to have made her remark.

[KPN]

69. Sure there was, from her perspective. He's the front-runner, but he trails the combined

poll numbers for Sanders and Warren (which account for almost 50% total) by a significant margin.

[emmaverybo]

117. They are not running with, but against each other. You can add up any candidate pairs, trios, or

quartets and dent Biden’s lead. You can add Amy et al to Biden and impact Warren or Sanders’ numbers.

Resist his frontrunner status all you want, you are not, yet, changing it or his prospects in the GE. Time might; playing games with the numbers won’t.

[cwydro]

75. Well, I agree that she should not respond, and I hear what you're saying.

I wish neither of them would participate in this nonsense.

Both of them are better than that.

[TexasTowelie]

129. Pardon me, but what?

He's not allowed to respond to remarks about himself...

Who said that Biden was forbidden to talk about himself? I really want to know who gagged Joe? (and I managed to rhyme) Get the gumshoes on the case.

[treestar]

141. Well post 1 implies at least

that he should not have returned any fire on the slam that he should run in another primary.

[TexasTowelie]

128. LOL! Joe nervous?

From scrolling through this thread it appears that the supporters of two other candidates are the people that are worried.

[cwydro]

145. I'd imagine they're all nervous.

None of them are quitters though.

[TexasTowelie]

149. Making another dig again?

No, you're not funny.

[cwydro]

151. Huh?

[TexasTowelie]

152. You're slyly referring to Beto O'Rourke quitting the presidential race without mentioning his name.

Then you are pointing it out to me (the dig) since I am the host of the O'Rourke Group on DU. I'm not stupid.

[cwydro]

153. Oh, well, ok.

I was not aware of an O’Rourke group on DU.

My bad, lol.

[TexasTowelie]

154. So you haven't seen the candidate groups listed on the front page of DU

or when you are on the Latest Threads page it indicates what forum or group you are entering?

Oh, well, ok. That's hilarious since I've served with you as a forum host in the past.

[cwydro]

155. Never served in any candidate or primary groups, sorry.

Don’t remember you from any other group I served in.

I generally don’t keep up with the candidate groups, except for those leading the pack.

[TexasTowelie]

156. Okay, I guess that I will have to take your word that you were naive about so many things happening

on DU.

I cross-posted nearly every thread in both the Democratic Primaries forum and the O'Rourke Group so they were usually displayed next to each other when they appeared on the Latest Threads page. O'Rourke was also in the top six candidates on the DU rankings the entire time he was in the race. And you also replied to several posts about O'Rourke in the Democratic Primaries forum.

Yep, you definitely didn't know anything about the O'Rourke Group and you weren't able to connect the dots that I was host for the group.

[HerbChestnut]

2. Oh that's rich.

Progressives have heard nothing but condescension from the moderate wing of the party for decades, and it's only been getting worse.

"Pie in the sky"
"Unicorns"
"Can't be done"
"Won't happen"

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

8. Seriously!! Talk about irony!!

Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

[Demsrule86]

20. Obama said this in a more gentle manner but still he said it.

[emmaverybo]

121. Indeed. Nancy has also offered some advice, or more accurately warning. M4All or bust, huh?

Go, Joe,
The world needs you.

[Magoo48]

54. Showing lack of confidence in your own party's decision making is weak.

[MarcA]

118. It's what center Purists do.

You can add "off the wall" and "flame throwing" to the list.
Best to discuss issues and viewpoints.

[TCJ70]

3. Joe "give me a break" Biden

He should probably check himself for a minute...

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

10. A minute?

Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

[LakeArenal]

4. I'm very leery of words like:

“Rips”
“Lambasted”
“Called out”
“Slammed”

In this case, I have been to a Biden speech. He is not the attack dog those words portray.

He’s more congenial and can make his point without the aggression those words intimate.

I think Joe intends to attack, slam, lambast Trump and Republicans.

I think he responded to the comments that have been made about him.

[still_one]

9. Yup, but of course the Biden bashers are all too willing to believe the hyperbole

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[Magoo48]

59. Did he direct any of his remarks at fellow Democrats?

[JudyM]

32. Listening to what he said on the news this morning it seemed to me he was attacking other Dems.

And, disappointingly, echoing the Rethug party line trigger word “elitist.”

[emulatorloo]

34. Sanders and Warren have been attacking Biden. So I am not surprised Biden's pushing back.

As an aside Senator Sanders has been attacking Warren over her M4A plan. It is going to be an ugly debate.

[JudyM]

39. Yeah but using/validating a key rethug talking point? That's very different, and very detrimental

to our party, IMO.

[emulatorloo]

42. Warren insinuated recently that Biden should be running as a Republican

Additionally Warren insisted in the last debate that all the other candidates were in the pocket of corporations. Several of the candidates pushed back on her for saying that.

I like Warren a lot, she’s not afraid of dishing out criticism.

[JudyM]

49. Those statements aren't going to be echoed in republican ads as reinforcing their talking points.

[emulatorloo]

53. Trump will portray Biden as a evil socialist/communist

Doubt those comments will be in an ad.

[JudyM]

56. Not sure what you mean... did another candidate say that about Biden?

Not seeing the parallel.

[emulatorloo]

61. RNC will frame any Dem candidate as a socialist. That's their playbook

[JudyM]

62. Ok. This is a different situation: Biden just handed them a video clip for an attack ad.

[emulatorloo]

70. It doesn't fit the RNC narrative though. So I personally don't see them using it.

I expect it will be forgotten by the press in a few days anyway, except at DU/Reddit. of course YMMV

[melman]

78. Yes it does

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The post was published in an apparent effort to hit back at Warren in similar MadLibs fashion. But in incorporating the word “elitism,” Biden waded into Republican talking point territory.

“It’s representative of an elitism that working and middle class people do not share: ‘We know best; you know nothing.’ ‘If you were only as smart as I am you would agree with me,’” Biden wrote five paragraphs into his lengthy statement, all-but referencing Warren’s recent comments suggesting that he might not belong in the Democratic primary for pushing a more moderate plan than Medicare for All.
By Wednesday morning, Biden decided to fill in the blanks.

“If you don’t agree with Elizabeth Warren, you must somehow be not a Democrat. You must somehow be corrupt. You must somehow not be as smart as she is,” Biden said to Joe Madison on SiriusXM’s Urban View program. “It’s just something we don’t do in our party. It’s not who we are.

“She has things in her plan that are just not realistic, but if you question it, she says you don’t understand or you’re talking like a Republican,” he went on. “It’s just an elitist attitude that it’s either my way or the highway.”



Allies in Trump’s circle and the Republican Party have said privately for months that they view Warren as elite and intend to add that branding to their arsenal of attacks. And with the general election now less than one year out, those attacks could take on a new relevancy when promoted by Biden, one of the Democratic Party’s own leading presidential candidates.

"Warren's time as a corporate legal consultant and Harvard professor were bound to become fodder in this election,” one GOP operative told The Daily Beast. “Having Democrats start to define her as misleading and inauthentic only helps President Trump's ability to provide a clear contrast if she makes it to the general."

Conservative host Rush Limbaugh, a close ally of Trump, recently pushed the same line of critique on his “Morning Update” program. Last week, Limbaugh said that “the reason most voters will avoid Elizabeth Warren at all costs is because we’ve seen her and the elite in action.” As he went on, the rest of his statement offered a striking similarity to Biden’s own written comments dismissing the mentality that ‘If you were only as smart as I am you would agree with me,” which he wrote online on Tuesday night.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/joe-biden-borrows-gops-elitism-hit-on-elizabeth-warren

[JudyM]

147. Sad to me that it seems like Biden is intentionally using their talking point to attack her.

He can attack her policies without characterizing them in such a patently hyperbolic way.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

109. Biden sure did!!

Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

[Demsrule86]

144. Warren shouldn't attack Biden then...can't have your cake and eat it too.

[Demsrule86]

82. I went to Fox to see how their suffering was progressing after the big loss for Trump last night...

what I saw is that the right is using is M4A against the ACA (only insurance we have) and Democrats...who is running on this? Not Biden.

[JudyM]

102. That's a different issue. The issue here is the use of the term "elitist."

And Fox does make use of that talking point as part of their idiotic arsenal against Dems...

[Demsrule86]

124. Warren said Joe was running in the wrong primary...she should expect push back. And M4A is

not going to work in a general IMHO.

[blm]

111. Biden warned on Oct16 that Warren is conning like Trump

But, no one seems to care because whatever JB sez is always fine.

His campaign manager said she’s lying. She has a ‘credibility’ problem.

But, boy howdy do people holler and scream if Warren finally pushes back from the constant low blows.

[emulatorloo]

123. All three front runners are throwing punches. I don't like it, but it isn't surprising me

They are statistically tied. I wanted this to be a supportive unity campaign but I was naive.

[emulatorloo]

47. Yeah clickbait headlines are bad.

[pfeiffer]

5. Joe's...

...a smart guy. He's completely on-point here. And it's wonderful and refreshing to hear a Democrat say this!

[LovingA2andMI]

14. Umm....

No. Next. Welcome to DU

[Dark n Stormy Knight]

107. lol.

[MarcA]

120. Yet another (supposedly) Biden supporter newbie

with a suspect remark.

[JoeOtterbein]

6. Calling someone "elitist" sounds Republican to me.

Joe needs to stop.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

11. So much for the pledge!!

Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

[emulatorloo]

17. Sanders and Warren have been attacking Biden. So of course he will push back.

Meanwhile Sanders has been attacking Warren and her plan for M4A. So far as I know Warren has not attacked Bernie yet.

[melman]

18. It sure as hell does

Republicans have been using that one for decades.

[George II]

28. So I guess you agree with Warren that Biden should be running in the republican primary.

[melman]

48. Do you?

Do you guess that? That's nice.


Tell me though, do you think "elitist" is appropriate language to use?

Knowing, as you surely do, that Republicans have been using that against Democrats for decades, and that Scott Brown used the same specific phrase.."elitist attitude"...against Elizabeth Warren...do you think it's appropriate?




I'll wait while you dig through your vast library of hilarious gifs.

[George II]

79. Sorry.....

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

89. Do you?

... expect a serious answer to a serious question?!


Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

[melman]

94. No

I expected pretty much the one I got.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

104. That's how you know you're winning the argument!!

Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

[George II]

101. When one is posed perhaps a serious answer would be forthcoming.....

[JudyM]

33. Hearing that term from him on the news this morning was like a punch in the gut.

It’s a favorite rethug talking point. He’s making their case for them at our party’s expense.

I can’t believe this is happening. If he doesn’t get the nomination, his words will without doubt be the basis of attack ads.

[JoeOtterbein]

41. I felt the same this morning. We did not need that on the day we should be celebrating instead.

[JudyM]

45. Exactly! It deflated the joy, at least for me.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

97. "Punch in the gut" is right!! Guess if you're Joe, desperate times call for desperate measures.

Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

[LanternWaste]

63. Sounds almost as Republican as blaming the media for a candidate's poor performance.

But I suppose anything can sound like something else if we believe hard enough...

[George II]

81. That word has been used on Democrats like Biden for years from certain camps. This from 2015...

From August 26, 2015

Sanders huddled with advisers at his home here Wednesday to chart what he describes as the second phase of a campaign that has exceeded all expectations but still lacks the infrastructure and support from the party elites that could help him....

(note: this is an anecdote, it is NOT "re-fighting the primary" )

[mcar]

87. Calling a Democrat a Republican sounds like a cheap shot to me

Other candidates need to stop.

[Dark n Stormy Knight]

108. Agreed! Who is more elisitst than Rs?

As usual, most of what they claim to be about is hypocritical propaganda.

[LovingA2andMI]

12. What's Condescening....

Is Biden's Statement. Is someone getting worried because its showing.

[Demsrule86]

26. It is a show of strength...he is fining his voice...and Warren started it by accusing him

of running in the wrong primary..IE being a GOP. He says basically she ad others don't get to decide who is a Democrat.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

91. Pretty obvious... but, had to be expected once Joe started losing his mo'.

Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

[empedocles]

13. Biden noting that some of the EW/BS supporters are unwilling to recognize

what it will take to really beat the 'cons in 2020, e.g. EW and her 'wrong presidential primary' attack.

[stonecutter357]

15. good let's go Joe !

[BeyondGeography]

16. Condescending Democrats?

&feature=youtu.be

[George II]

19. Sadly nowhere in that article is the word "condescending" or a variation of it anywhere....

....except the headline, and there its in 'quotes'. Did he say that? Otherwise, why the 'quotes'?

It's also curious that those in this thread who are beating on Biden said nary a peep last week when Warren said Biden was running in the "wrong primary", i.e., he should be running in the republican primary.

And the the other implication, "...deep-pocketed Democratic donors...", is off-base too. No one's pockets are deeper than $2800 worth, the same limit that all of the other candidates are under and HAVE accepted contributions at the $2800 limit.

Finally, to those claiming that Biden is "scared", why would he be scared when his lead in several states has been widening in the last couple of weeks. He's not scared, he's savvy.

[LonePirate]

21. Attacking other Dems or the Dem voting base is not a path to victory.

[George II]

25. Did you say that when Warren attacked Biden last week?

Elizabeth Warren swatted back at Joe Biden’s criticism of her $21 trillion Medicare-for-All plan Friday, accusing him of “running in the wrong presidential primary.”

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-11-01/warren-derides-biden-as-running-in-wrong-presidential-primary

I didn't think so.

[Demsrule86]

30. I agree and Some other candidates should stop suggesting that if you are not for M4A

than you are dealing in GOP talking points and not suggest that a lifelong Democratic candidate is running in the wrong party.

[emmaverybo]

80. You got that right! Last debate, Warren did not field challenges well from other candidates or

interviewers afterwards. She stone-walled. In the debate before last, asked if she was going to raise middle-class taxes to pay for M4All, she replied “that’s a Republican talking point.”

No. She has not heard the talking points the Trump machine are going to use against her about M4All or the twenty-plus other politically and financially costly proposals she will have to defend
from their all out assault should she go on to the GE.

Dems’ challenges are not Right-Wing propaganda. Dems who make them are not Republicans.
When Republicans do use those talking points, calling THEM Republicans won’t suffice.

[Demsrule86]

83. They will use the M4A as a means to take down the ACA...and we will have nothing and to take down

Sanders and Warren should they be nominated...they have my vote in a general but won't take the EC.

[emmaverybo]

95. Biden has said he will protect and build on Obamacare and work against Republican efforts to

cut and gut Medicaid and Medicare. Regardless of the prospects for future legislative success in passing M4All, it will not be implemented immediately. In a best case scenario, five to ten years down the road, we get M4All.

Biden asked at the second debate (iirc) what do people do for healthcare in the interim. No answer.

[Demsrule86]

135. This is why he must be the nominee...

[LanternWaste]

65. Pretending your candidate is innocent of the same action is not a path either.

But I get it... holding others to a higher standard than we hold ourselves to is pretty standard these days.

[LonePirate]

74. I freely admit Warren should not have said that. Where's your disapproval of these Biden remarks?

Your posts in this thread seem to be in support of Biden’s remarks. Surely you don’t posses two standards of behavior, one for Biden and one for Warren.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

112. Cue the crickets... chirp... chirp...

Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

98. Not a good look for Joe...he should stick to the issues

his "deep-pocketed Democratic donors, politicians and real estate executives," as mentioned in the article, want to hear.


Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

[Me.]

22. I So LOve It When Dems Kick Other DEms

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

99. Yes, esply in front of "deep-pocketed Democratic donors, politicians and real estate executives,"

as mentioned in the article.


Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

[Raven123]

24. Frankly I am disappointed in both Warren and Biden on these comments

Both are Democrats. Both belong in this primary. Neither is elitist or condescending.

[Hassin Bin Sober]

27. Is this Democrat bashing?

[emulatorloo]

35. Is this?

Link to tweet

[whathehell]

37. Not when you read everything he said, no. n/t

[emulatorloo]

40. Appreciate the reply n/t

[Hassin Bin Sober]

51. Is this whataboutism? Yes. Yes it is.

[emulatorloo]

55. Nah, it's proof that the top three candidates are throwing punches at each other.

That’s not surprising at this point, as they are statistically tied.

[LanternWaste]

68. I'd pretend holding your own to a lower standard is "whataboutism" as well.

[LanternWaste]

67. This is troubling for Bernie. Disqualifying. I'm concerned.

(the relevance of our bumper stickers... or irrelevance in this case, are equidistant from the actual point. But we both know that, will rub our necks and pretend righteousness)

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

90. Sure sounds like it HBS.

Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

[Fiendish Thingy]

29. If courageous leadership promoting substantial systemic change is condescending

Then count me in as supporting the condescending candidate.

I bet lots of folks thought MLK was condescending, and that FDR was "off the wall".

[Demsrule86]

46. I support the candidate who is leading in the states we need to win in order to take the EC...and

by the way Fox is using M4A to attack the ACA ...the only insurance we have or may ever have...went there to see them suffer after the great Democratic election results...Said Warren has admitted that the ACA was a gift for insurance companies which it is not true...profits were limited. This is how M4A is being used by the right wing already.

[emmaverybo]

138. M4All is not going to,happen. It isn't worth dividing the party over or risking this election.

Warren and Sanders are not MLK or FDR. They are neither one enshrined in the party, much less transcendent and unifying national figures. At this time neither has a mandate for their proposals.

Republicans in Congress plan to gut and cut Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid, and have done a heck of a job on ACA.

This, protecting the existing social safety net and improving our healthcare system by building on
ACA and bringing down pharmaceutical and medical costs is the conversation to have.

[betsuni]

140. +1

[whathehell]

36. Yeah, well, when you tell Wall St Billionaires

'Nothing will fundamentally change if I'm elected", it's not a big Democratic crowd pleaser.

..

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

100. BINGOOOOOOO!!!

Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

[whathehell]

114. Yep. I like Biden's personality & I'lll vote for him if he's nominated

but I'm not happy about his seeming satisfaction with the economic status quo.

[MrsCoffee]

43. Fuck that.You want to get on someone for "only fairly recently" becoming a Democrat it's not Warren.

I expect better from him or he is going to start sinking.

[LakeArenal]

72. Can't sink any more than Harris did

[emmaverybo]

137. Why would he sink because he criticizes Warren? I think this notion works the other way around.

Many consider Biden a national treasure. Calling him a Republican was a mistake I don’t think
Warren can afford when she’s on the line to defend her campaign centerpiece, M4All.

That Republican talking point biz gets tired fast. Calling a dedicated Dem like Biden a Republican opens the door, fair or not.

[Jakes Progress]

44. Sounds a little hypocritical

I mean, he bashes Democrats for saying it is their way or the highway and then suggests that you have to vote for him or else. It is the rich wall-street Democrats and media millionaires who are threatening to bolt if Biden isn't the nominee.

This primary has been a disaster. We had a slam dunk. Worst president ever. Now the Democrats are eating each other. Greed. Neediness. Self-importance. I started out being so proud of our candidates. Then the campaign managers started taking over. I really don't think the candidates are as bad as they have been acting. But for the professional campaign managers, winning is more important than decency.

[Demsrule86]

52. Not what he and by the way Obama said...he said it is elitist to expect all Democrats to agree with

you on every progressive issue and to suggest that those who do not are not real Democrats...and he is right.

[Jakes Progress]

60. Do you follow Biden's campaign?

How is what you suggest different than when Biden attacks Warren? I feel the same way about when Warren attacks Biden?

Tell me how either of them will be useful in the 2020 election campaign when one or the other gets the nomination? How can Biden campaign effectively for Warren when, at every interview, the reporter will play Biden's attacks on Warren for being unrealistic and elitist? How can Warren effectively support Biden when the media will have a bevy of quotes and clips of her going after him?

Show me the quote where Obama suggest that Warren was elitist.

[Demsrule86]

84. Obama said Democrats had to be careful about purity

Obama told a town hall meeting in Berlin, Germany Saturday that he is concerned about "rigidity" among some liberal Democrats who attack others in the party for "straying from purity on the issues."

In both politics and civic life, he said, "You have to recognize that the way we've structured democracy requires you to take into account people who don't agree with you.....One of the things I do worry about sometimes among progressives in the United States--maybe it's true here as well--is a certain kind of rigidity where we say 'Oh, I'm sorry. This is how it's going to be.'"

And he made a comment recently- two I think...you can google it.

[Jakes Progress]

157. So you can't.

Those remarks could apply to Biden supporters just as well as to Warren supporters. I tried googling Obama calling Warren an elitist. It didn't happen.

You didn't reply as to how beneficial Biden could be to Warren if she became the nominee. Warren would have the same problem. Both of them are ignoring the good of the party (and the people) by attacking each other.

These debates and the whole primary have been extremely detrimental to the chances for the Democrats to win.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

92. A little?!

Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

[Autumn]

50. Okay then.

[Hassin Bin Sober]

57. .

[KPN]

64. Joe is losing it. He talks about being the person who can work with anyone, who knows how to

get along and get things done ... and then he says this stuff? "Condescending" progressives? "Off the wall" ... progressives? "Socialist" progressives? To big money donors no less?

Well, Joe, I've been a Democrat my whole life as well ... and I'm almost as old as you. It's kind of funny. I find your remarks offensive.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

96. Yeah, I want someone who works with fellow Democrats on behalf of fellow Democrats...

and tells the other side to fuck off!!


Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

[redstateblues]

130. Telling the other side to fuck off? Great idea! That will accomplish a lot

[Dem4Life1102]

115. Biden never said condescending

If you review his actual remarks he never said. The word condescending was inserted by the reporter of the article

[pnwmom]

66. "Only fairly recently" TWENTY-FOUR YEARS ago????

Only someone old thinks of 24 years ago as fairly recently.

[cwydro]

76. No kidding.

I’m no young’un, but that’s a damn long time ago to me!

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

106. ZIIIIIIINNG!!!

Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

[LanternWaste]

71. This week's "throw anything at the wall hoping it sticks" routine is late.

I thought it would be more substantive this time... at least on par with "he pointed his finger at her!!!" but it seems we're reduced to attributing sentiments that were never said, and pretending it's a absolute truth.

[delisen]

73. I am repulsed by this type of appeal to the rich n/t

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

93. Are you surprised?!

Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

[polichick]

77. Somebody get the...

[Act_of_Reparation]

86. Ok Joe.

[Katalino]

88. The article doesn't quote Biden

We were not even given the sentence (let alone paragraph) in which he used the word condescending.

[evertonfc]

103. get em joe

A lifelong Democrat and progressive that will crush Trump.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

105. Who? The mentioned "deep-pocketed Democratic donors, politicians and real estate executives"

to whom, according to the article, Joe was giving his speech?




Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

[evertonfc]

110. give me a break

You need money to run a campaign. There happen to be rich progressives and democrats too.

[betsuni]

113. Why is Democrats donating to a Democratic candidate a problem?

All politicians fundraise, part of the job.

[Dem4Life1102]

116. Dishonest headline Biden never sad condescending

That was inserted by the reporter. Very dishonest of him.

[melman]

119. He did

"The other day I was accused by one of my opponents of running in the wrong primary. Pretty amazing. On one level, it is kind of funny.

I have fought for the Democratic party my whole career. I know what we stand for, who we stand with and what we believe. And it’s not just policies or issues. It’s in my bones. That’s not something everyone in this primary can say.


But at another level these kinds of attacks are a serious problem. They reflect an angry unyielding viewpoint that has crept into our politics. If someone doesn’t agree with you — it’s not just that you disagree — that person must be a coward or corrupt or a small thinker.

Some call it the “my way or the highway” approach to politics. But it’s worse than that. It’s condescending to the millions of Democrats who have a different view.

It’s representative of an elitism that working and middle class people do not share: “We know best; you know nothing”. “If you were only as smart as I am you would agree with me.”"


https://medium.com/@JoeBiden/i-have-fought-for-the-democratic-party-my-whole-career-2ca4a2dac271

[MarcA]

122. Thank you for posting this.

Not that it will matter to some for whatever reason.

[Demsrule86]

126. I find nothing wrong with Biden's statement...agree with him.

And both Obama and Pelosi have echoed this.

[emmaverybo]

127. I agree. It is always a better argument to talk up the positives than to try to shame folks into

buying your product, no matter how unwoke their resistance may seem. Understand that you do not have a mandate—yet—for any proposal.

[Demsrule86]

133. My sister says she has started hearing that people are supporting Joe as he can win...fingers

crossed. Sick of 'woke' too. What does this ever accomplish?

[Demsrule86]

125. I kind of agree with him...I am not for M4A and have experienced some of this...as if

I am not a 'real' Democrat because I don't think running on this is a good idea. I am for universal health care...we can do better than a nearly 100 year old plan...build on the ACA...no reason to start from scratch. The ACA is popular and has won us elections too.

[redstateblues]

131. Sorry to say MFA is a General Election loser

FMYT-Four more years of Trump

[Demsrule86]

132. I agree...and it isn't as good as some claim...have had a terrible time trying to deal with Medicare

with my sis in laws badly broken leg...she is in a nursing home /rehab...and could end up being tossed out if we can't get her on Medicaid...her prescriptions are expensive, she has deductibles and and expensive wrap too...Hubs and I will starve once we lose our good work insurance and have to pay two premiums for Medicare and then two wraps.

[Dem4Life1102]

134. "condescending to the millions of Democrats"

Not "condescending Democrats". There is a difference.

[ehrnst]

142. The attitude described is praised as "refreshing" in other POTUS candidates running as Dems

by many - even here on DU - because it apparently demonstrates being "constant as the North Star," unfortunately.

"But at another level these kinds of attacks are a serious problem. They reflect an angry unyielding viewpoint that has crept into our politics. If someone doesn’t agree with you — it’s not just that you disagree — that person must be a coward or corrupt or a small thinker.

Some call it the “my way or the highway” approach to politics. But it’s worse than that. It’s condescending to the millions of Democrats who have a different view.

It’s representative of an elitism that working and middle class people do not share: “We know best; you know nothing”. “If you were only as smart as I am you would agree with me.”

So, I think he may have a point.

[melman]

143. "So, I think he may have a point."

Of course you do.

[PhoenixDem]

136. Great speech and from the heart

Go Joe !!!!!

[emmaverybo]

139. He speaks from the heart and it goes to the heart. Old saying, when you speak from the heart,

it enters the heart.

Go, Joe !
The world needs you.

[jalan48]

146. I bet those uber wealthy donors feel the same way Joe.....

[Gothmog]

150. I agree with Joe Biden on this