Obama Veterans: Joe Biden's Pledge to Work With GOP Is Delusional

[fleur-de-lisa]

https://www.thedailybeast.com/obama-veterans-joe-bidens-pledge-to-work-with-gop-is-delusional

Joe Biden insists that congressional Republicans will work with him once he’s elected president but no one, let alone those who worked with Biden in the last administration, actually believes him.

The former vice president’s latest promise of a forthcoming wave of bipartisan cooperation came on Monday night, when he told a crowd of fundraisers in Washington D.C. that he believed that when Donald Trump left office, GOP lawmakers would see the error of their ways. “[T]hese folks know better,” he explained. “They know this isn’t what they’re supposed to be doing.”

The line echoed comments that Biden reflects a strategy he’s adopted to appeal to voters as a throwback to a less divisive era and is based on the belief that the rest of the political establishment will join him there. But veterans of the Obama administration say that Biden is either being naive or is willfully selling voters on a political fairytale.

“Fuck no,” one senior Obama aide said when asked if Republicans would be willing to work with a hypothetical President Biden.

[Sherman A1]

1. I have a better idea

A big Democratic Win and then the GOP can find a way to work with the Democrats of get steamrolled.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

3. Well said!!

Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

[Kurt V.]

30. +1

[lastlib]

58. Or, if I may rephrase, a MASSIVE Dem landslide,

and the GOPhers can all go curl up in a fetal position and choke on their own vomit.

I got no interest in working with GOPhers.

[JustAnotherGen]

2. I think it's nice for VP Biden to say

But I also think that it's a nice thing for any of the Candidates to say.

And I can think that - because I think we are going to have a Majority Senate and House for the President to work with in January 2021.

[pwb]

4. If the pukes get beat down good they will have to work with him?

Maybe Joe expects a blue landslide? I do.

[dsc]

17. In 2006 we flipped the House and Senate

then in 2008 we got to 59 Senate seats and nearly 2/3 of the House. The GOP said fuck you. Literally the night of the election they met to figure out how not to cooperate with Democrats and best say fuck you. They got rewarded for doing so. As long as that dynamic exists, they will continue to say fuck you.

[JudyM]

60. It has become their culture now. We are not going to change it by electing Biden.

He is dreaming. Why couldn’t he persuade them to even give Garland a hearing?

[ritapria]

5. MG

Merrick Garland did not even get a hearing ….Remember the Benghazi nonsense ?

[vsrazdem]

6. It's nice to have dreams.

[totodeinhere]

7. The problem is the Senate. Since we only elect one third of the Senate every

two years it will be virtually statistically impossible for the Democrats to get 60 votes in the Senate after the 2020 election. So that will leave two choices, either try to work with them or eliminate the filibusterer altogether. But if we do that watch out if the Republicans ever got even narrow control of the Senate again.

[dsc]

19. what would they be doing differently if the filibuster were totally gone

The GOP likes to do three things, staff the government with ideologues, cut taxes, and increase defense spending. Two of the three are now immune from the filibuster and the third they can get Dems to go along with.

[totodeinhere]

25. I'm thinking of legislative initiatives proposed by the new Democratic president

assuming of course that he have one. There would probably be plenty of legislation coming down the pick which was proposed by the new administration which would be subject to the filibuster/

[moose65]

36. We don't need to eliminate the filibuster....

But we need to make it an actual filibuster again. If the Republicans don’t want to end debate, make them stand on the floor of the Senate and read a phone book and wear diapers so they don’t have to leave the floor to take a crap. This bunch of Republicans won’t be able to do that. They’re all hat and no cattle.

[TDale313]

8. You have to have people on the other side

Acting in good faith and who want to work with you. Decades of obstruction and dirty tricks and vilifying the left is a pretty good indication they aren’t interested in bipartisanship. I mean... maybe the fever will break at some point... but at the moment you have to be prepared for the high likelihood that we’re gonna have to work around them if we actually want to get things done.

[oasis]

9. Joe won't allow a stubborn GOP to hold him back. Count on it. nt

[pfeiffer]

12. I give...

Joe credit for WANTING to work with the Republicans once he's elected. That's the way to protect the middle class...two party rule with checks/balances. I currently live in a city that's controlled by one party...and the liberal middle-class is getting beaten down. It would be great if this city had someone like Joe who was willing to work with our liberal middle-class. (Pssst...when only liberals rule...trust me...they start coming for the liberal middle-class.)

[oasis]

13. Joe is a no-nonsense, straight shooter. He won't put up with stalling

b.s. with the likes of Mitch McConnell and Chuck Grassley.

I expect him to put the GOP on notice during his innagural address.

[FloridaBlues]

54. Did they give the names of these aids? Who worked in that administration?

[pangaia]

10. Hell, they wouldn't work with your former boss, why would they work with you?

And your former boss, bless him, made the same mistake...

[awesomerwb1]

11. It's campaign talk

and if it isn't I could't care less. I couldn't care less if bernie said it, I couldn't care less if Warren said it.

(I'd worry if T***i said it though).

Would I love a fire breathing Biden/bernie/Warren telling us he/she will rip republican heads off? Sure.

Would it be stupid? Yes. The reactions to what Biden said on this thread - again- expected and frankly pretty silly.

[vsrazdem]

14. I think living in a fantasy world is silly too. It's as if he was in some other stratosphere,

and if it is campaign talk, it is also pretty silly.

[awesomerwb1]

20. It won't be silly to

center DEMOCRATIC voters in certain areas that the nominee would have to win to beat trump.

Speaking of fantasy world.....stratosphere with unicorns...is bernie ready to talk about where the money to pay for M4A is gonna come or do we wait for the leprechauns at the end of the rainbow to tell us?

[vsrazdem]

22. Telling people that just pull that lever for him and all the republicans will fall in line

is totally silly. That is not centering voters, that is delusional.

[awesomerwb1]

23. Wow

"Telling people that just pull that lever for him and all the republicans will fall in line
is totally silly."

Did you get that from what I posted? Hell, is that what you think Biden meant? Because then I have to laugh. Thanks for the comedy relief.

All hail St. ******, All hail St. ******. All Hail St. ******.

[vsrazdem]

31. No I got that from the OP.

"Joe Biden insists that congressional Republicans will work with him once he’s elected president" so I guess you have to laugh at the Obama Veterans who said it.

[awesomerwb1]

40. You are just too funny

You capitalized the V like it's Obama "Veterans" as in military people. Might wanna try reading it again champ.

And no, I don't wanna make it about bernie. I know better than to try to have an open minded conversation with trumpers and a few bernie supporters = the same level of fanaticism. I'm leaving this thread now. C ya

[vsrazdem]

44. I have read it, but thanks for the QA.

[vsrazdem]

45. PS What is with the "champ". Is that just a pet name you have or should I be reading something

more into that nomenclature.

[vsrazdem]

33. Also, this post is about what Biden said. This is not about Bernie even though you would

like to make it about Him, just because I happen to support him.

[redstateblues]

34. With all the friends Bernie has made across the aisle

Surely he would be able to get lots done!

[vsrazdem]

37. No one will be able to get anything done unless we have the house, senate and presidency, and then

I think we really need to go to work, with lots of proposals, and lots of work to do.

[redstateblues]

47. We are not likely to have all three branches in 2020

for those that say "well there's no point in trying to get things done across the aisle" I say most Americans want to see politicians at least try to get things done. So if we only win the House and the Presidency you think we should just adopt a combative attitude and say "our way or the highway"? That will be a short Democratic reign.

[vsrazdem]

48. We can try all we want, it is the republicans in the senate that have adopted the combative

attitude and won't bring anything up for a vote. If we don't take the senate, there is nothing we can do until we get it.

[redstateblues]

49. Let's just give up then because even if Bernie wins and we don't win the Senate he will fail

You have to make an effort-this giving up will never accomplish anything.

[vsrazdem]

50. I wouldn't expect them to get a lot accomplished, just like the past 7 or 8 years, but I do expect

if we take the white house, there will be investigations going on, including investigating and prosecuting, possibly even some members of the house and senate, and previous executive branch for the total lawlessness that has become of our current government.

[Drunken Irishman]

35. And yet you support Bernie...

Please tell me how his M4A proposal is anything but fantasy?

[vsrazdem]

38. Its a place to start, and I am sure compromises will be made down the road.

[Drunken Irishman]

39. By working with Republicans?

[tonedevil]

41. I'm sure any Health Care proposal...

that is from the Democrats will get the same amount of support that the ACA did.

[elleng]

21. Thanks.

[bucolic_frolic]

15. Possibly the GOP will not be too relevant by then

[Katalino]

16. Obama preached the same thing

And still does.

[Blue_Tires]

18. No less delusional than Yang or Bernie's pledge

but yes, they're all bad in any circumstance.

[Doremus]

24. If they didn't work with his former boss why does he think they would work with him?

Getting tired of being fed the same old tripe. We need a real leader, not half baked warmed over crud.

[emmaverybo]

27. Because they have in the past. Under Obama. You are calling Biden half-baked, warmed over

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crud?

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[MustLoveBeagles]

42. Another day, another Biden sucks thread

SMDH

[AncientGeezer]

26. I'd bet beer money the r's would work with VP Biden before they would

Sen. Sanders or Sen.Warren...that's a sizable budget to wager.
I suspect for at least the 1'st 2yrs r's will have the Senate after the '20 GE.. until the '22 mids.

[tirebiter]

28. He's got to make the offer

They’ll see it as shallow and it will turn out to be but cross overs have happened in many ways. Anybody remember John McCain’s vote on ACA?

[Autumn]

43. I do. He said his intent with that vote was not to save the ACA.

McCain’s distaste for President Barack Obama’s health care law was no secret. While he agreed that the health care system was broken, he did not think more government involvement would fix it. Like most Republicans, he campaigned in his last Senate race on a promise to repeal and replace the law with something better.

After Republicans spent months bickering amongst themselves about what was better, McCain was disappointed in the option presented to senators hours before their vote: hobble the ACA and trust that a handful of lawmakers would be able to craft an alternative behind closed doors, despite failing to accomplish that very thing after years of trying.

What bothered McCain more, though, was his party’s strategy to pass their so-called skinny repeal measure, skipping committee consideration and delivering it straight to the floor. They also rejected any input from the opposing party, a tactic for which he had slammed Democrats when the ACA passed in 2010 without a single GOP vote. He lamented that Republican leaders had cast aside compromise-nurturing Senate procedures in pursuit of political victory.

In his 2018 memoirs, “The Restless Wave,” McCain said even Obama called to express gratitude for McCain’s vote against the Republican repeal bill.
“I was thanked for my vote by Democratic friends more profusely than I should have been for helping save Obamacare,” McCain wrote. “That had not been my goal.”

https://khn.org/news/mccains-complicated-health-care-legacy-he-hated-the-aca-he-also-saved-it/

[demosincebirth]

29. Just like they did when Obama was in office.

[dem4decades]

32. Biden can say anything he wants all long as he wins.

[maximusveritas]

46. Swing voters prefer "one who promises to find common ground over one who promises to fight" 82%-11%

The polling is clear that people like the idea of bipartisanship and working together.
Sure it is a fairytale, but at least it is a more tenable one unlike promising a laundry list of free stuff you have no way of paying for.

[delisen]

52. Did they join him there when he was vp?

[Joe941]

53. This is concerning.

[gibraltar72]

55. I'd say that's a good characterization.

[Bayard]

56. This could happen,

IF we get rid of both tRump and McConnell at the same time. Its starting to look more likely all the time.

[captain queeg]

57. When Biden was young that was probably true

But for the last 30 years or so the republicans have chosen to be against anything a democratic president or legislature proposes. I hope they choke to death on their stagnant game plan. The only way the repugs can stay in power is cheating and they will continue to do it as long as they can get away with it. Maybe Trump will open the eyes of a lot of people who chose not to pay attention before it’s too late. If he drags the whole party down and we flush them out then maybe his miserable lying ass will have served a good purpose.

[treestar]

59. I thought we were supposed to be better then the Rs

and all that.