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Joe BidenCongratulations to our presumptive Democratic nominee, Joe Biden!
 

Bradshaw3

(7,455 posts)
Wed Nov 6, 2019, 08:45 PM Nov 2019

Biden Predicts GOP Epiphany

From Monday's K street fundraiser:
"With Donald Trump out of the way, you’re going to see a number of my Republican colleagues have an epiphany. Mark my words. Mark my words,” Biden said.

snip
On the same day Biden made his remarks, Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) was just a few blocks away at the White House, boasting about how he blocked Merrick Garland from getting a seat on the Supreme Court.

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/joe-biden-k-street-epiphany_n_5dc332d9e4b00551388225e7

For those who think this is part of a strategy it is clear ater many similar statements now that Biden believes it, even after eight years as Obama's vice-president and seeing their obstructiuon firsthand.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
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Biden Predicts GOP Epiphany (Original Post) Bradshaw3 Nov 2019 OP
well, evertonfc Nov 2019 #1
Bipartisanship and unity are things people want to hear. nycbos Nov 2019 #2
Exactly. TwilightZone Nov 2019 #41
Agree with both of you. redqueen Nov 2019 #48
So lie to the people. Talk about "Bipartisanship and unity", crazytown Nov 2019 #58
Kinda like that Medicare for All plan, yeah. nt redqueen Nov 2019 #59
Yeah? Lie to the people? crazytown Nov 2019 #60
It looks like you are unfamiliar with politics. redqueen Nov 2019 #61
To paraphrase LBJ - I just wanted you yo say it crazytown Nov 2019 #62
Save it for the general election loyalsister Nov 2019 #49
Agreed. Maybe for some it's not a compromise. n/t MarcA Nov 2019 #52
The primaries don't happen in a vacuum. TwilightZone Nov 2019 #56
"Independents" are more often than not self conscious republicans loyalsister Nov 2019 #57
I understand being optimistic, guillaumeb Nov 2019 #3
I posted a DU poll about this earlier today. DU does not share Biden's opinion on this matter. LonePirate Nov 2019 #4
Speak for yourself. Eko Nov 2019 #5
Feel free to vote in my poll. You would be the first DUer to agree with him. LonePirate Nov 2019 #8
I did thank you. Eko Nov 2019 #9
I agree with Biden...and who cares about a DU poll? Honestly, out in the country, people want folks Demsrule86 Nov 2019 #10
I'm curious. What makes you think that Republican epiphany will happen? LonePirate Nov 2019 #13
Well look at all Andy823 Nov 2019 #17
They are out there, nowhere near enough but they are out there. Eko Nov 2019 #24
Joe is talking about Andy823 Nov 2019 #27
Is Joe Biden in the Senate or the House? Eko Nov 2019 #32
Very funny Andy823 Nov 2019 #35
Seeing as how Eko Nov 2019 #36
Its almost as if people are in a bubble. Eko Nov 2019 #31
I don't see any evidence it will happen,but it doesn't hurt to try...and folks want this in their Demsrule86 Nov 2019 #45
we all know what liz warren thinks about biden... nt msongs Nov 2019 #12
Can't imagine who would. InAbLuEsTaTe Nov 2019 #37
Bipartisanship Liberalhammer Nov 2019 #6
rethuglicons are chicken sh'ts and scared to their political death of being democratisphere Nov 2019 #7
Epiphanies are rare. madaboutharry Nov 2019 #11
I am skeptical, the GOP degenerates have never had a moment of introspection RainCaster Nov 2019 #14
A tiger cannot change its stripes Jarqui Nov 2019 #15
Again??? George II Nov 2019 #16
Try reading the post and link before commenting Bradshaw3 Nov 2019 #43
I don't see it happening BigMin28 Nov 2019 #18
Republican dickishness pre-dated Trump and will outlive him, as well n/t Blaukraut Nov 2019 #19
I love Biden but this will not happen coeur_de_lion Nov 2019 #20
I'd be less worried about Joe's mental state if I thought he was saying this WITHOUT believing it More_Cowbell Nov 2019 #30
It sure makes one wonder what Joe could possibly be thinking. InAbLuEsTaTe Nov 2019 #38
Maybe he's being overly optimistic coeur_de_lion Nov 2019 #46
I'm going to win the Powerball lottery tonight. JoeOtterbein Nov 2019 #21
Repukes having Epiphany? JGug1 Nov 2019 #22
Here is where Biden and I part ways. defacto7 Nov 2019 #23
Not the first time... probably not the last. InAbLuEsTaTe Nov 2019 #39
Bullshit - they were racist liars before Trump jberryhill Nov 2019 #25
This message was self-deleted by its author apcalc Nov 2019 #26
He may be right. He knows them better than we. apcalc Nov 2019 #29
I'm sick of hearing him say this More_Cowbell Nov 2019 #28
He's running for office. TwilightZone Nov 2019 #34
I can't believe he said this again melman Nov 2019 #33
Like it or not it's called common ground. NYT/Sienna poll out yesterday Thekaspervote Nov 2019 #40
Has nothing to do with common ground; it's about knowing what you are up against Bradshaw3 Nov 2019 #44
I'm going to go out on a limb and say Mr.Bill Nov 2019 #42
When pigs fly! BlueMTexpat Nov 2019 #47
That's an opinion you are entitled to. n/t Mr.Bill Nov 2019 #50
I hope the voters have an epiphany Turbineguy Nov 2019 #51
Generous of Joe to think the GOP Senators are just bullsh*tters and not corrupt moral cowards. Thomas Hurt Nov 2019 #53
Jesus Christ could descend in His full glory and majesty Vogon_Glory Nov 2019 #54
He's right. Soundly trounce Republicans, and they'll change. gulliver Nov 2019 #55
Wow melman Jan 2020 #63
 

evertonfc

(1,713 posts)
1. well,
Wed Nov 6, 2019, 08:47 PM
Nov 2019

as long as Trump is out of the way. I'm good and If Biden is nominee, Trump will be out of the way. Let's go Joe!

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

nycbos

(6,033 posts)
2. Bipartisanship and unity are things people want to hear.
Wed Nov 6, 2019, 08:48 PM
Nov 2019

I know it's unrealistic but we have to use those words if we want to win.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

TwilightZone

(25,342 posts)
41. Exactly.
Wed Nov 6, 2019, 10:25 PM
Nov 2019

I wish more people could see that, but the opposite view is almost universal here.

Bleating out "screw the Republicans" at every opportunity probably won't go over too well with many independents, a group that has become more and more likely to vote Democratic of late.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

redqueen

(115,096 posts)
48. Agree with both of you.
Thu Nov 7, 2019, 03:35 PM
Nov 2019

Obama won on a message of unity. Now that this country is more divided than ever, we need that message more than ever.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

crazytown

(7,277 posts)
58. So lie to the people. Talk about "Bipartisanship and unity",
Fri Nov 8, 2019, 01:22 AM
Nov 2019

knowing there is a vanishingly small chance they will get any such thing.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

redqueen

(115,096 posts)
59. Kinda like that Medicare for All plan, yeah. nt
Fri Nov 8, 2019, 10:27 AM
Nov 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

crazytown

(7,277 posts)
60. Yeah? Lie to the people?
Fri Nov 8, 2019, 10:34 AM
Nov 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

redqueen

(115,096 posts)
61. It looks like you are unfamiliar with politics.
Fri Nov 8, 2019, 10:37 AM
Nov 2019

Good luck to you.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

crazytown

(7,277 posts)
62. To paraphrase LBJ - I just wanted you yo say it
Fri Nov 8, 2019, 10:39 AM
Nov 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

loyalsister

(13,390 posts)
49. Save it for the general election
Thu Nov 7, 2019, 03:43 PM
Nov 2019

I want a candidate who is 100% committed to Democratic values and policies. If compromises are to be made, when a policy is negotiated (not before the conversation begins!) the GOP can move to their left for a change. We have been creeping to the right at their behest for far too long.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

MarcA

(2,195 posts)
52. Agreed. Maybe for some it's not a compromise. n/t
Thu Nov 7, 2019, 04:51 PM
Nov 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

TwilightZone

(25,342 posts)
56. The primaries don't happen in a vacuum.
Thu Nov 7, 2019, 10:06 PM
Nov 2019

Biden and a couple of other candidates are already targeting Trump and looking to sway all possible voters, including independents, with the general election in mind. That will only help the eventual nominee.

We need to appeal to them throughout the process, not just after a nominee is chosen.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

loyalsister

(13,390 posts)
57. "Independents" are more often than not self conscious republicans
Thu Nov 7, 2019, 11:17 PM
Nov 2019

They would rather call themselves independents because they know enough to be ashamed that they're as self absorbed and greedy as republicans. Democrats have enabled and comforted them for way too long.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
3. I understand being optimistic,
Wed Nov 6, 2019, 08:49 PM
Nov 2019

but given that VP Biden experienced 8 years of GOP obstructionism and racism directed at President Obama, I find this optimism to be misplaced ay best.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

LonePirate

(13,386 posts)
4. I posted a DU poll about this earlier today. DU does not share Biden's opinion on this matter.
Wed Nov 6, 2019, 08:50 PM
Nov 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Eko

(7,170 posts)
5. Speak for yourself.
Wed Nov 6, 2019, 08:54 PM
Nov 2019

Thank you.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

LonePirate

(13,386 posts)
8. Feel free to vote in my poll. You would be the first DUer to agree with him.
Wed Nov 6, 2019, 08:59 PM
Nov 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Eko

(7,170 posts)
9. I did thank you.
Wed Nov 6, 2019, 09:03 PM
Nov 2019

I don't see anywhere where Biden said the the Republicans would back his priorities, I must have missed it. Can you please show me where he said that?
Thanks,
Eko.
Cough "straw man" cough.
Excuse me, I have a cold.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Demsrule86

(68,352 posts)
10. I agree with Biden...and who cares about a DU poll? Honestly, out in the country, people want folks
Wed Nov 6, 2019, 09:05 PM
Nov 2019

to try to work together...and we need to try.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

LonePirate

(13,386 posts)
13. I'm curious. What makes you think that Republican epiphany will happen?
Wed Nov 6, 2019, 09:20 PM
Nov 2019

Are you seeing evidence of this somewhere? Or is this based on faith and optimism?

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Andy823

(11,495 posts)
17. Well look at all
Wed Nov 6, 2019, 09:37 PM
Nov 2019

the republicans coming out against trump, calling him out for his crimes, declaring him to be unfit for the office, you know the "good" ones Joe keeps talking about.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Andy823

(11,495 posts)
27. Joe is talking about
Wed Nov 6, 2019, 10:00 PM
Nov 2019

the ones in the Senate and the House. I know there are anti trump republicans, but the politicians in D.C. are not going to do the right thing. They are putting trump ahead of the country, and even when trump is gone, they are not going to work with any Democrat in the W.H.

Remember what they did to Obama and how Mitch said they would make him a one term president?

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Eko

(7,170 posts)
32. Is Joe Biden in the Senate or the House?
Wed Nov 6, 2019, 10:04 PM
Nov 2019

He did say colleagues so if he did somehow get in the Senate or House without me noticing then you would indeed be correct. My apologies.
Eko.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Andy823

(11,495 posts)
35. Very funny
Wed Nov 6, 2019, 10:11 PM
Nov 2019

So tell me who are these republican "colleagues" if not the members of the house and Senate?

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Eko

(7,170 posts)
36. Seeing as how
Wed Nov 6, 2019, 10:16 PM
Nov 2019

He has been on city councils, in the Senate and Vice presidency I would infer that colleagues means a wide variety of things. To pin that down to exactly what he means by that would have to be clarified by him but to assume that it only means the house and senate one of which he never was is folly.
Thanks,
Eko.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Eko

(7,170 posts)
31. Its almost as if people are in a bubble.
Wed Nov 6, 2019, 10:02 PM
Nov 2019

Convinced that just because someone is a republican or conservative they are our enemy and have to be treated as such. Republicans are not my enemy, bad ideas, ignorance and fear are my enemies and anyone who falls prey to those. Ive seen more and more people fall to those recently. Its a shame.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Demsrule86

(68,352 posts)
45. I don't see any evidence it will happen,but it doesn't hurt to try...and folks want this in their
Wed Nov 6, 2019, 11:46 PM
Nov 2019

candidates...so it is a good election move. If the GOP won't play ball than we work on trying to make them the bad guy...but it doesn't hurt to try...bring back the pork too...it has a way of moving deals along...pork=money for states.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

msongs

(67,199 posts)
12. we all know what liz warren thinks about biden... nt
Wed Nov 6, 2019, 09:17 PM
Nov 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

InAbLuEsTaTe

(24,110 posts)
37. Can't imagine who would.
Wed Nov 6, 2019, 10:18 PM
Nov 2019

Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Liberalhammer

(576 posts)
6. Bipartisanship
Wed Nov 6, 2019, 08:54 PM
Nov 2019

Can only exist with both sides respecting the same principles and democracy.

Republicans don't, they have lost their credibility.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

democratisphere

(17,235 posts)
7. rethuglicons are chicken sh'ts and scared to their political death of being
Wed Nov 6, 2019, 08:56 PM
Nov 2019

targeted for public annihilation by drumpf. They couldn't pull off an epiphany even if they wanted to.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

madaboutharry

(40,153 posts)
11. Epiphanies are rare.
Wed Nov 6, 2019, 09:08 PM
Nov 2019

Epiphanies take a great deal of introspection and honesty. Does anyone believe that people who stood by this degenerate are even capable of that?

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

RainCaster

(10,691 posts)
14. I am skeptical, the GOP degenerates have never had a moment of introspection
Wed Nov 6, 2019, 09:30 PM
Nov 2019

Why would they start now?

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Jarqui

(10,110 posts)
15. A tiger cannot change its stripes
Wed Nov 6, 2019, 09:34 PM
Nov 2019

The GOP has gone to the dark side.

They can't come back because of bunch of them could also be held to account in criminal courts.

I think this is the most dangerous time for the well being of America during my lifetime - which goes back to before the Kennedy - Khrushchev nuke crisis.

A nation of laws has a party and a leader who will not obey them and we may not be bale to do anything meaningful in the short term about that.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

George II

(67,782 posts)
16. Again???
Wed Nov 6, 2019, 09:36 PM
Nov 2019
https://www.democraticunderground.com/1287337541

"you're going to see a number of my Republican colleagues have an epiphany"
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Bradshaw3

(7,455 posts)
43. Try reading the post and link before commenting
Wed Nov 6, 2019, 11:16 PM
Nov 2019

That link you posted to was a tweet; this is an article. The former has a limit to a few characters while the latter has much more information, such as the snippet. I know some on here can't stand to hear actual facts about Biden or actual quotes from Biden that make him not look great but I would hope they would know the difference between a sentence and a news article.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

BigMin28

(1,150 posts)
18. I don't see it happening
Wed Nov 6, 2019, 09:42 PM
Nov 2019

Since 1994 when Gingrich became Speaker of the House, republicans have painted the Democrats as faithless evil enemies. I don't see them changing anytime soon.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Blaukraut

(5,689 posts)
19. Republican dickishness pre-dated Trump and will outlive him, as well n/t
Wed Nov 6, 2019, 09:45 PM
Nov 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

coeur_de_lion

(3,666 posts)
20. I love Biden but this will not happen
Wed Nov 6, 2019, 09:48 PM
Nov 2019

Probably is what people want to hear though.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

More_Cowbell

(2,190 posts)
30. I'd be less worried about Joe's mental state if I thought he was saying this WITHOUT believing it
Wed Nov 6, 2019, 10:02 PM
Nov 2019

Than if he thinks it's true.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

InAbLuEsTaTe

(24,110 posts)
38. It sure makes one wonder what Joe could possibly be thinking.
Wed Nov 6, 2019, 10:20 PM
Nov 2019

Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

coeur_de_lion

(3,666 posts)
46. Maybe he's being overly optimistic
Thu Nov 7, 2019, 03:29 PM
Nov 2019

But optimism is very much needed right now.

If polls are correct he has the best chance of beating tRump.

Right now I don’t care about anything else.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

JoeOtterbein

(7,698 posts)
21. I'm going to win the Powerball lottery tonight.
Wed Nov 6, 2019, 09:50 PM
Nov 2019

Maybe.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

JGug1

(320 posts)
22. Repukes having Epiphany?
Wed Nov 6, 2019, 09:50 PM
Nov 2019

Seriously, Joe? Joe, you have been smoking too much of that Colorado ganja.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

defacto7

(13,485 posts)
23. Here is where Biden and I part ways.
Wed Nov 6, 2019, 09:54 PM
Nov 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

InAbLuEsTaTe

(24,110 posts)
39. Not the first time... probably not the last.
Wed Nov 6, 2019, 10:21 PM
Nov 2019

Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
25. Bullshit - they were racist liars before Trump
Wed Nov 6, 2019, 09:55 PM
Nov 2019

Oh come the fuck on. As if they all suddenly became assholes when Trump was elected.
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden

Response to Bradshaw3 (Original post)

 

apcalc

(4,461 posts)
29. He may be right. He knows them better than we.
Wed Nov 6, 2019, 10:01 PM
Nov 2019

Yes, they will still be jerks, just not Trumpists.

I take from this that when Trump is gone they will be different ... we shall see...

Just look at the change in Lindsey Graham since Trump is prez...

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

More_Cowbell

(2,190 posts)
28. I'm sick of hearing him say this
Wed Nov 6, 2019, 10:00 PM
Nov 2019

The GOP members of Congress aren't children. They're committing crimes and ignoring their responsibilities with eyes wide open.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

TwilightZone

(25,342 posts)
34. He's running for office.
Wed Nov 6, 2019, 10:08 PM
Nov 2019

In many ways, he's already running a general-election campaign. Unlike DU, much of the voting public wants to hear stuff like this.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

melman

(7,681 posts)
33. I can't believe he said this again
Wed Nov 6, 2019, 10:07 PM
Nov 2019

When I saw threads about earlier I thought it was just a repost or something. But no, he actually did say it again. Unreal.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Thekaspervote

(32,606 posts)
40. Like it or not it's called common ground. NYT/Sienna poll out yesterday
Wed Nov 6, 2019, 10:24 PM
Nov 2019

Voters are fairly clear about what they would like from a Democrat. They prefer, by 82% to 11%, one who promises to find common ground over one who promises to fight for a progressive agenda; and they prefer a moderate over a liberal, 75% to 19%.

More at the link... if you want... or not

https://www.democraticunderground.com/1287336368#post2

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Bradshaw3

(7,455 posts)
44. Has nothing to do with common ground; it's about knowing what you are up against
Wed Nov 6, 2019, 11:18 PM
Nov 2019

Biden really seems to believe they will have an epiphany - even after 8 years of watching them trash Obama and his agenda - all before dump became president.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Mr.Bill

(24,104 posts)
42. I'm going to go out on a limb and say
Wed Nov 6, 2019, 10:53 PM
Nov 2019

Joe Biden probably knows more about this possibility and the people involved than me or dare I say, anyone else here.

My opinion is, depending on what unfolds with the impeachment and Senate trial, anything is possible.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

BlueMTexpat

(15,349 posts)
47. When pigs fly!
Thu Nov 7, 2019, 03:33 PM
Nov 2019

Just sayin'!

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Mr.Bill

(24,104 posts)
50. That's an opinion you are entitled to. n/t
Thu Nov 7, 2019, 04:08 PM
Nov 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Turbineguy

(37,212 posts)
51. I hope the voters have an epiphany
Thu Nov 7, 2019, 04:21 PM
Nov 2019

and stop electing these creeps.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Thomas Hurt

(13,903 posts)
53. Generous of Joe to think the GOP Senators are just bullsh*tters and not corrupt moral cowards.
Thu Nov 7, 2019, 05:09 PM
Nov 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Vogon_Glory

(9,086 posts)
54. Jesus Christ could descend in His full glory and majesty
Thu Nov 7, 2019, 09:21 PM
Nov 2019

to denounce this administration and the Republican Party for all its sins and the Republican Party would continue doing the same old crap.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

gulliver

(13,142 posts)
55. He's right. Soundly trounce Republicans, and they'll change.
Thu Nov 7, 2019, 09:30 PM
Nov 2019

It's good strategy to assume that. It's good politics. It also has the ring of truth. It is only their success at lying, cheating, and mugging the Constitution that emboldens the Republicans. If they lost, and lost, and lost again, they'd change for their political self-interest. It's the reason they are changed for the worse right now.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

melman

(7,681 posts)
63. Wow
Wed Jan 8, 2020, 06:56 AM
Jan 2020

That is not good. Not good at all.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
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