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progressoid

(49,945 posts)
Thu Nov 7, 2019, 10:09 AM Nov 2019

'We're not stupid': Why Biden is dodging the California Dem convention

The threat of California’s progressive boo birds is reason enough for Joe Biden to skip the state’s giant Democratic Party convention next week.

But the added layer of risk in getting onstage with Jorge Ramos, the immigration rights-crusading Univision news anchor and moderator of a candidate forum at the convention, also played a role in the campaign’s discussions about skipping the largest single state gathering of Democrats.

Ramos, who is supposed to hold 15-minute conversations onstage with each top candidate in front of the crowd, has a history with Biden. He emerged as a tough critic of Obama administration immigration policy and has already aggressively confronted Biden during the primary over the issue, which has repeatedly tripped up the former vice president.

As a moderator of the September presidential debate, Ramos flustered Biden by asking if Latinos should trust him and by repeatedly pressing the former vice president to explain President Obama’s record of deporting 3 million people. Ramos noted at the time that Biden never explained whether the deportations were a mistake. After the debate, the two reportedly had a contentious private discussion about the exchange.

Biden’s camp as well as some neutral Democratic observers are convinced Ramos would look for a similar moment at the convention, which will be packed with progressive immigration activists.

...https://www.politico.com/news/2019/11/06/biden-california-dems-jorge-ramos-067045?fbclid=IwAR3qj8DteYV-0nMf_Ks7Azkrg-OxOm6ZM8rWLAShewQVbOYCEv_qj-PsW1Y

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'We're not stupid': Why Biden is dodging the California Dem convention (Original Post) progressoid Nov 2019 OP
Warren is also skipping the convention. highplainsdem Nov 2019 #1
Good move by both of them. comradebillyboy Nov 2019 #3
Agreed. highplainsdem Nov 2019 #4
Yep customerserviceguy Nov 2019 #7
Top candidates have to consider the positions they put themselves in. TidalWave46 Nov 2019 #2
Jorge Ramos has proven at debates and other forums that he's anything but a neutral moderator. George II Nov 2019 #5
Jorge Ramos is an idiot awesomerwb1 Nov 2019 #6
Yeah they blame Obama because he didn't have the votes but give the GOP a pass fuck them...are Demsrule86 Nov 2019 #9
Why is Warren skipping the convention? Demsrule86 Nov 2019 #8
I would think her reasons would be similar to Biden's. Her reception comradebillyboy Nov 2019 #10
You are probably correct. Demsrule86 Nov 2019 #11
 

highplainsdem

(48,910 posts)
1. Warren is also skipping the convention.
Thu Nov 7, 2019, 10:12 AM
Nov 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

comradebillyboy

(10,128 posts)
3. Good move by both of them.
Thu Nov 7, 2019, 10:28 AM
Nov 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

customerserviceguy

(25,183 posts)
7. Yep
Thu Nov 7, 2019, 12:22 PM
Nov 2019

No good can come out of going there.

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TidalWave46

(2,061 posts)
2. Top candidates have to consider the positions they put themselves in.
Thu Nov 7, 2019, 10:14 AM
Nov 2019

No need to risk putting themselves in questionable positions.

Lower tier or struggling candidates don't have the same option.

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George II

(67,782 posts)
5. Jorge Ramos has proven at debates and other forums that he's anything but a neutral moderator.
Thu Nov 7, 2019, 10:40 AM
Nov 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
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Joe Biden
 

awesomerwb1

(4,265 posts)
6. Jorge Ramos is an idiot
Thu Nov 7, 2019, 11:24 AM
Nov 2019

As someone who knows a lot of people who watch Spanish tv( I only tune in for the international soccer games) I can tell you he's not as respected in the Spanish speaking community as people think. He is incredibly overrated.

And regarding Biden/Ramos - Ramos is INCREDIBLY sore about Obama/Biden not passing a comprehensive immigration bill and he will take every chance to attack Biden for that since Obama is not around anymore. If you don't believe me (if the past debate where Ramos was involved isn't proof enough), Google Jorge Ramos Obama immigration interview. It wasn't pretty.

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Demsrule86

(68,456 posts)
9. Yeah they blame Obama because he didn't have the votes but give the GOP a pass fuck them...are
Thu Nov 7, 2019, 12:28 PM
Nov 2019

Do they want to see more caged babies? A few more votes from them might have made the difference for Hillary...these folks need to understand the difference between Can't (Obama's situation) and won't (the Republican position).

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Demsrule86

(68,456 posts)
8. Why is Warren skipping the convention?
Thu Nov 7, 2019, 12:25 PM
Nov 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
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comradebillyboy

(10,128 posts)
10. I would think her reasons would be similar to Biden's. Her reception
Thu Nov 7, 2019, 01:38 PM
Nov 2019

by a very pro-Sanders crowd would be too unpredictable and risky.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Demsrule86

(68,456 posts)
11. You are probably correct.
Thu Nov 7, 2019, 01:42 PM
Nov 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
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