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BeyondGeography

(39,369 posts)
Fri Nov 8, 2019, 09:49 AM Nov 2019

Tulsi Gabbard got a boost following Hillary Clinton's attacks on her

(CNN)Hawaii Rep.Tulsi Gabbard appeared poised to be one of the many forgotten 2020 Democratic presidential candidates. That was until former Secretary of State and 2016 Democratic presidential nominee Hillary Clinton decided to call her out on David Plouffe's podcast.

After Clinton's attack on Gabbard -- calling her "favorite of the Russians" -- the Hawaii Democrat's poll numbers rose, earning her a place on the November debate stage. Before the Democratic debate on October 15, Gabbard looked like she was going to miss November's debate. Candidates needed to hit at least 3% in four qualifying polls. Gabbard had never hit that 3% mark in any qualifying poll this entire year. Then Clinton's remarks came on October 17.

Following Clinton's podcast appearance, Gabbard got a qualifying poll from Suffolk University Iowa poll that was taken partially before Clinton's comments and partially after. She then reached 5% in a CNN/University of New Hampshire poll conducted the following week. Over that same period, Suffolk gave Gabbard another qualifying poll. Finally, she earned 3% in a Quinnipiac University poll from Iowa this past week.

Four qualifying polls means Gabbard is in the November debate, where she'll be able to spread a message that Clinton is not a fan of. It is, of course, difficult to say with certainty that Clinton's remarks caused Gabbard to rise, but it's difficult to escape the likelihood given the polling data. Gabbard headed into the October debate with little momentum and the debate didn't seem like it was going to help her. Her performance was not widely hailed (as it was for Minnesota Sen. Amy Klobuchar and South Bend, Indiana, Mayor Pete Buttigieg).

An Ipsos Knowledge Panel poll taken after the debate but before Clinton's remarks seem to back up the reviews of a mediocre Gabbard performance. Among those who debated in October, she ranked lowest for the percentage of Democratic primary voters who said they'd consider voting for her. Gabbard had the lowest favorable rating and worst net favorabilty (favorable - unfavorable) rating. She also had the highest jump in unfavorable ratings comparing Ipsos poll taken before and after the debate with the same respondents.

Then in nearly perfect succession, Clinton spoke about Gabbard and Gabbard started hitting the debate threshold in qualifying polls...

https://www.cnn.com/2019/11/07/politics/tulsi-gabbard-hillary-clinton/index.html
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Tulsi Gabbard got a boost following Hillary Clinton's attacks on her (Original Post) BeyondGeography Nov 2019 OP
Hillary never directly called out Tulsi as a Russian favorite dlk Nov 2019 #1
It was obvious who she was referring to at140 Nov 2019 #3
Tulsi's rabid and unhinged response was completely out of proportion dlk Nov 2019 #6
And yet she has risen in the polls. HerbChestnut Nov 2019 #19
Polls can say anything depending on the statistical significance of the sample dlk Nov 2019 #21
"Controversy can create an artificial and temporary bump in "polls."" HerbChestnut Nov 2019 #22
I wish Tulsi would drop out and go away. I just don't get the obsession here with her and ... Hassin Bin Sober Nov 2019 #26
Agree, it hit a nerve in Tulsi's head! at140 Nov 2019 #24
RW'ers flocking to Tulsi, no surprise. lark Nov 2019 #2
If Tulsi runs 3rd party, she will take more votes from RW'ers at140 Nov 2019 #4
Mostly I wanted her off the debate stage BeyondGeography Nov 2019 #5
Not sure she was the worst TheFarseer Nov 2019 #16
I'm talking in terms of impact on her candidacy BeyondGeography Nov 2019 #17
This is simply not true, as has been pointed out numerous times Celerity Nov 2019 #14
Lefties too. I gained respect for Tulsi. roody Nov 2019 #29
They've probably customerserviceguy Nov 2019 #35
russian bots in action are not a boost beachbumbob Nov 2019 #7
Russian bots customerserviceguy Nov 2019 #37
how do you actually know? I tell you nothing is beyond reach of hackers beachbumbob Nov 2019 #44
I don't know for sure customerserviceguy Nov 2019 #45
Thanks for the bump Clinton! Devil Child Nov 2019 #8
Hillary was right on Trump/Russia& right about this too! donkeypoofed Nov 2019 #9
She was right....unless you can't let 2016 go and have a reflexive need to blame her for anything. BannonsLiver Nov 2019 #13
Any evidence for this? roody Nov 2019 #30
Even a shred of evidence you might provide??? You Must have something AncientGeezer Nov 2019 #33
Short term gain and long term damage BannonsLiver Nov 2019 #10
Let us know when the ROI comes in BeyondGeography Nov 2019 #11
You won't be able to figure it out for yourself? BannonsLiver Nov 2019 #12
Gabbard was toast BeyondGeography Nov 2019 #15
That's why you ignore the candidates polling at 1% TheFarseer Nov 2019 #18
Message auto-removed Name removed Nov 2019 #20
tulsi's not running for congress 2020. Mahalo Hillary! nt msongs Nov 2019 #23
Hillary never attacked Tulsi, it was Gabbard who launched hateful attacks on Mrs. Clinton. (eom) StevieM Nov 2019 #25
THIS! Me. Nov 2019 #28
Yes, Clinton was talking about Klobuchar. roody Nov 2019 #31
Good on Hawaii.. Gabbard is Not running for Cha Nov 2019 #27
Yes. Let's, per usual, falsely accuse Hillary, who, per usual, is being blamed for speaking truth EffieBlack Nov 2019 #32
The ruskies are boosting Gabbard's#'s in a Democratic primary months befor 1 vote is cast? AncientGeezer Nov 2019 #34
Resources are the least of the Russian's problems EffieBlack Nov 2019 #40
Hillary did not attack her mcar Nov 2019 #36
Yeah, I bet gabbard got Cha Nov 2019 #39
She may have gotten a small bump MustLoveBeagles Nov 2019 #42
I agree, Beagles.. Cha Nov 2019 #43
She's now at 1.001% Blue Owl Nov 2019 #38
Stupidass Hillary haters can send Tulsi some cash too. She's going nowhere. oasis Nov 2019 #41
Gabbard attracted Clinton first FreeState Nov 2019 #46
 

dlk

(11,554 posts)
1. Hillary never directly called out Tulsi as a Russian favorite
Fri Nov 8, 2019, 09:54 AM
Nov 2019

However, Tulsi didn’t waste any time taking the bait.

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at140

(6,110 posts)
3. It was obvious who she was referring to
Fri Nov 8, 2019, 10:01 AM
Nov 2019

to all but the politically un-informed. It wasn't Kamala or Elizabeth.
Who is the other significant female candidate running?

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dlk

(11,554 posts)
6. Tulsi's rabid and unhinged response was completely out of proportion
Fri Nov 8, 2019, 10:16 AM
Nov 2019

That alone would appear to disqualify her for higher office. There never seems to be a shortage of outspoken Hillary haters.

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HerbChestnut

(3,649 posts)
19. And yet she has risen in the polls.
Fri Nov 8, 2019, 11:53 AM
Nov 2019

To be clear, I do not support Tulsi Gabbard, but all Hillary did was give her the attention she was looking for.

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dlk

(11,554 posts)
21. Polls can say anything depending on the statistical significance of the sample
Fri Nov 8, 2019, 02:44 PM
Nov 2019

Controversy can create an artificial and temporary bump in “polls.”

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HerbChestnut

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22. "Controversy can create an artificial and temporary bump in "polls.""
Fri Nov 8, 2019, 02:46 PM
Nov 2019

Yes. Exactly.

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Hassin Bin Sober

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26. I wish Tulsi would drop out and go away. I just don't get the obsession here with her and ...
Fri Nov 8, 2019, 05:51 PM
Nov 2019

.... her single digit support .

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at140

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24. Agree, it hit a nerve in Tulsi's head!
Fri Nov 8, 2019, 05:24 PM
Nov 2019
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lark

(23,094 posts)
2. RW'ers flocking to Tulsi, no surprise.
Fri Nov 8, 2019, 09:59 AM
Nov 2019

RT has worked long and hard to make that happen to disrupt the process by showing some (totally fake) success and then having her run as 3rd party. Anyone who thinks that isn't going on, isn't paying close attention.

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at140

(6,110 posts)
4. If Tulsi runs 3rd party, she will take more votes from RW'ers
Fri Nov 8, 2019, 10:03 AM
Nov 2019

since as you noted the RW'ers like her. I am not worried about Tulsi.

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BeyondGeography

(39,369 posts)
5. Mostly I wanted her off the debate stage
Fri Nov 8, 2019, 10:06 AM
Nov 2019

And that was happening before Clinton did her thing. She was in minuscule single-digits and had the worst debate of anyone on the stage last month.

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TheFarseer

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16. Not sure she was the worst
Fri Nov 8, 2019, 11:40 AM
Nov 2019

Tulsi completely wrecked any chance Kamala still had.

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BeyondGeography

(39,369 posts)
17. I'm talking in terms of impact on her candidacy
Fri Nov 8, 2019, 11:43 AM
Nov 2019

And things like the Harris attack are exactly why she needs (or needed) to go IMO.

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Celerity

(43,328 posts)
14. This is simply not true, as has been pointed out numerous times
Fri Nov 8, 2019, 11:26 AM
Nov 2019

There is extremely little in her core platform that RWers would support. She is overall very left wing and basically supports MFA. The RW only uses her as a disruptive force and pays attention to her as she attacks her fellow Democrats and especially Clinton.

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roody

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29. Lefties too. I gained respect for Tulsi.
Fri Nov 8, 2019, 07:11 PM
Nov 2019
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customerserviceguy

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35. They've probably
Fri Nov 8, 2019, 08:15 PM
Nov 2019

been using the polls to boost her, they know that she's a deep disruption to the Democratic nomination process, and they'd like to see her continue to poll well enough to keep gumming up the works.

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beachbumbob

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7. russian bots in action are not a boost
Fri Nov 8, 2019, 10:44 AM
Nov 2019
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customerserviceguy

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37. Russian bots
Fri Nov 8, 2019, 08:31 PM
Nov 2019

don't do polls, but reich-wing assholes who are trying to muck up our debates do.

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beachbumbob

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44. how do you actually know? I tell you nothing is beyond reach of hackers
Sat Nov 9, 2019, 08:12 AM
Nov 2019
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customerserviceguy

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45. I don't know for sure
Sat Nov 9, 2019, 12:33 PM
Nov 2019

but I'd bet their best hackers are working on elections, not on silly-ass polls.

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donkeypoofed

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9. Hillary was right on Trump/Russia& right about this too!
Fri Nov 8, 2019, 11:10 AM
Nov 2019

Gabbard is a Republican and a right winger in her heart I totally believe Putin IS grooming her to be the next Jill Stein.

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BannonsLiver

(16,369 posts)
13. She was right....unless you can't let 2016 go and have a reflexive need to blame her for anything.
Fri Nov 8, 2019, 11:19 AM
Nov 2019
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roody

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30. Any evidence for this?
Fri Nov 8, 2019, 07:12 PM
Nov 2019
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AncientGeezer

(2,146 posts)
33. Even a shred of evidence you might provide??? You Must have something
Fri Nov 8, 2019, 07:34 PM
Nov 2019

..to justify that smear against a pretty solid Democratic vote in Congress....anything?
Something.....?

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BannonsLiver

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10. Short term gain and long term damage
Fri Nov 8, 2019, 11:11 AM
Nov 2019

But I guess when there’s a chance to blame Hillary for something some folks can’t let that slip by.

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BeyondGeography

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11. Let us know when the ROI comes in
Fri Nov 8, 2019, 11:16 AM
Nov 2019
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BannonsLiver

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12. You won't be able to figure it out for yourself?
Fri Nov 8, 2019, 11:17 AM
Nov 2019


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BeyondGeography

(39,369 posts)
15. Gabbard was toast
Fri Nov 8, 2019, 11:38 AM
Nov 2019

She had a one-way ticket to Palookaville and it was punched. I’m not seeing the comparative upside.

Your initial response was funny, btw. Just don’t do it again!

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TheFarseer

(9,322 posts)
18. That's why you ignore the candidates polling at 1%
Fri Nov 8, 2019, 11:44 AM
Nov 2019

And you definitely don’t make unfair attacks that you can’t prove. It’s bound to backfire.

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msongs

(67,395 posts)
23. tulsi's not running for congress 2020. Mahalo Hillary! nt
Fri Nov 8, 2019, 02:51 PM
Nov 2019
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StevieM

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25. Hillary never attacked Tulsi, it was Gabbard who launched hateful attacks on Mrs. Clinton. (eom)
Fri Nov 8, 2019, 05:45 PM
Nov 2019
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roody

(10,849 posts)
31. Yes, Clinton was talking about Klobuchar.
Fri Nov 8, 2019, 07:13 PM
Nov 2019
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Cha

(297,154 posts)
27. Good on Hawaii.. Gabbard is Not running for
Fri Nov 8, 2019, 05:57 PM
Nov 2019

her congressional seat.. so we definitely get a Dem who will be for the People.. not going on faux news whining about Dems.



Tulsi Gabbard tells Fox News host Tucker Carlson that DNC debate criteria isn't transparent

https://www.democraticunderground.com/1287260728

Gabbard was just on FOX/Tucker Carlson again trying to position herself as champion of the 9/11 Families..

https://www.democraticunderground.com/1287330643

Tulsi Gabbard goes on Tucker Carlson to bash the DNC. WTF?

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1287&pid=259042

Mahalo, Hillary!
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EffieBlack

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32. Yes. Let's, per usual, falsely accuse Hillary, who, per usual, is being blamed for speaking truth
Fri Nov 8, 2019, 07:19 PM
Nov 2019

She didn’t “attack” Tulsi. She told the truth and Tulsi confirmed it.

She went up in the polls because the Russians are spending a shitload of money promoting her and are, once again, showing how effectively they can manipulate confused Democrats into turning their fire on Hillary Clinton instead of where it should be.

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AncientGeezer

(2,146 posts)
34. The ruskies are boosting Gabbard's#'s in a Democratic primary months befor 1 vote is cast?
Fri Nov 8, 2019, 07:41 PM
Nov 2019

Why?
That would be a horrible waste of resources...If she had Tom Steyer money she'd still be an also ran...

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EffieBlack

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40. Resources are the least of the Russian's problems
Sat Nov 9, 2019, 01:17 AM
Nov 2019
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mcar

(42,302 posts)
36. Hillary did not attack her
Fri Nov 8, 2019, 08:20 PM
Nov 2019
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Cha

(297,154 posts)
39. Yeah, I bet gabbard got
Fri Nov 8, 2019, 11:21 PM
Nov 2019

"a boost" from Hillary haters.. gabbard made sure of that.

Sorry, tg.. that's not going to take you to the WH.

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MustLoveBeagles

(11,591 posts)
42. She may have gotten a small bump
Sat Nov 9, 2019, 01:34 AM
Nov 2019

but I don't think it will last. She'll fizzle out soon enough.

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Cha

(297,154 posts)
43. I agree, Beagles..
Sat Nov 9, 2019, 02:00 AM
Nov 2019

It's like a miracle we're going to be really represented in Congress by someone who doesn't go on fox and complain about hard working Dems all the time.



I bet President Obama likes him!
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oasis

(49,376 posts)
41. Stupidass Hillary haters can send Tulsi some cash too. She's going nowhere.
Sat Nov 9, 2019, 01:33 AM
Nov 2019
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FreeState

(10,570 posts)
46. Gabbard attracted Clinton first
Sat Nov 9, 2019, 01:52 PM
Nov 2019

At the debate the night before. CNN is spreading fud.

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