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BlueMTexpat

(15,369 posts)
Sun Nov 10, 2019, 12:26 PM Nov 2019

Strategists say Warren 'Medicare for All' plan could appeal to centrists

OK, so this is The Hill, which will make some immediately jump on the messenger. But it is actually quite interesting.

https://thehill.com/policy/finance/469707-strategists-say-warren-medicare-for-all-plan-could-appeal-to-centrists

Snippets:

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“The fact that she has devised a plan that would benefit middle class Americans without taxing [them] is certainly reassuring to a lot of people,” said Brad Bannon, a Democratic strategist who isn’t working for any of the presidential campaigns.

“What Warren’s plan does is giving voters bold change without raising middle class taxes,” Bannon added.
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Some policy experts say that Warren’s proposed employer contribution is a tax that would ultimately be paid by workers. But others argue that burdens on the middle class wouldn’t go up because employers would be shifting from making payments to private insurers to payments to the federal government.

Supporters of Warren’s plan also note that the plan makes clear that Warren would eliminate premiums, deductibles and copays, which should be a relief for voters with questions about Medicare for All.

Adam Green — co-founder of the Progressive Change Campaign Committee (PCCC), which has endorsed Warren — said that “Warren’s Medicare for All financing plan is functionally like an $11 trillion tax cut for middle class families,” because it eliminates out-of-pocket health costs for workers and targets tax increases at the wealthy and corporations. ...


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Too many seem to forget about all those out-of-pocket health costs that are part of the current system, along with all of its other drawbacks.

But more and more are noticing and are looking more favorably at her plan.

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More snippets:

... The Progressive Change Institute, also co-founded by Green, is planning in the coming days to make public the results of a poll, done in partnership with Public Citizen and Business for Medicare For All, that finds that a majority of registered voters support Medicare for All, both nationally and in battleground states.

However, a recent poll released by the Kaiser Family Foundation (KFF) and the Cook Political Report found that most Democratic voters in four key battleground states think Medicare for All is a good idea, but that most swing voters in those states view it as a bad idea.

Both the Progressive Change Institute and the KFF surveys were conducted before Warren released her funding plan. ...


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Much more at the link. I look forward to seeing these poll results.

I also look forward to seeing poll results that take Warren's funding plan into consideration once voters understand how it works.

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primary today, I would vote for:
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Strategists say Warren 'Medicare for All' plan could appeal to centrists (Original Post) BlueMTexpat Nov 2019 OP
I still want to know how she plans to sell this to Congress. The Velveteen Ocelot Nov 2019 #1
Was Obama asked how he would sell the ACA to congress when he was running in 2008? Fiendish Thingy Nov 2019 #3
IIRC, yes, he was. But he wasn't a candidate at the time, The Velveteen Ocelot Nov 2019 #7
Obama wasn't a candidate in 2008? Fiendish Thingy Nov 2019 #8
He and Clinton both proposed health care reform ideas. The Velveteen Ocelot Nov 2019 #10
And very tough to get passed and barely got passed....but apparently the ACA has no merits anymore UniteFightBack Nov 2019 #11
I agree with you. Maybe we can get to some kind of MFA someday, The Velveteen Ocelot Nov 2019 #12
And this is where the vote with your head part comes in. I am PRAYING and I'm an atheist that when UniteFightBack Nov 2019 #13
But was he asked, and did he answer, the same question you posed to Warren? Fiendish Thingy Nov 2019 #17
I was not paying much attention at the time, but I hope someone did, The Velveteen Ocelot Nov 2019 #18
It's quite obvious to me that someday, we will in fact have something like, if not KPN Nov 2019 #2
I hope evertonfc Nov 2019 #4
The question is ...whose strategists are they? nt UniteFightBack Nov 2019 #14
??? BlueMTexpat Nov 2019 #16
Middle Class Taxes go up on Warren Plan ritapria Nov 2019 #5
Keep trying. Eom BlueMTexpat Nov 2019 #15
Not only will moderates not support MFA... many who are not modereate won't. It is not popular and Demsrule86 Nov 2019 #6
Yes empedocles Nov 2019 #9
 

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,693 posts)
1. I still want to know how she plans to sell this to Congress.
Sun Nov 10, 2019, 12:29 PM
Nov 2019
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Fiendish Thingy

(15,611 posts)
3. Was Obama asked how he would sell the ACA to congress when he was running in 2008?
Sun Nov 10, 2019, 12:45 PM
Nov 2019

I see the job of "selling" legislation to be primarily that of constituents- if Warren makes the case to The People, then it is our job to pressure our reps to pass the bill.

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The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,693 posts)
7. IIRC, yes, he was. But he wasn't a candidate at the time,
Sun Nov 10, 2019, 01:09 PM
Nov 2019

and if you're a candidate you have to persuade people that your proposals are realistic if you want to get elected. To be realistic they have to have a fighting chance of making it through Congress in some recognizable form. I want to know from the candidates whether and how they will accomplish this. Also, the ACA as passed was significantly altered from its original form. That always happens.

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Fiendish Thingy

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8. Obama wasn't a candidate in 2008?
Sun Nov 10, 2019, 01:16 PM
Nov 2019

He didn't run on the ACA in his first campaign?

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The Velveteen Ocelot

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10. He and Clinton both proposed health care reform ideas.
Sun Nov 10, 2019, 01:21 PM
Nov 2019

His proposal while he was a candidate included a public option, which would have made the ACA much different if it had been included in the final bill, but it was not. The ACA was finally passed in 2010 but it was not the same in a number of respects as Obama's original idea.

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UniteFightBack

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11. And very tough to get passed and barely got passed....but apparently the ACA has no merits anymore
Sun Nov 10, 2019, 01:26 PM
Nov 2019

and it should just be scrapped. It's UNREAL. We were finally getting through to a good portion of the American people about the benefits of the ACA and now this!!!! Democrats need to vote with THEIR HEADS.

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The Velveteen Ocelot

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12. I agree with you. Maybe we can get to some kind of MFA someday,
Sun Nov 10, 2019, 01:30 PM
Nov 2019

but scrapping the ACA right now and starting over with a completely different and potentially more complicated system isn't realistic. It took several years even for the ACA's on-line enrollment system to run properly, which makes me think a lot of people might be reluctant to go through that kind of hassle again.

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UniteFightBack

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13. And this is where the vote with your head part comes in. I am PRAYING and I'm an atheist that when
Sun Nov 10, 2019, 01:40 PM
Nov 2019

Dem's are alone in that voting booth, they will make the PRACTICAL choice so we can lock this thing down and win it.

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Fiendish Thingy

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17. But was he asked, and did he answer, the same question you posed to Warren?
Sun Nov 10, 2019, 04:10 PM
Nov 2019

Did Obama specifically address how he would "sell" his healthcare plan to Congress?

If not, then why The double standard for Warren?

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Undecided
 

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,693 posts)
18. I was not paying much attention at the time, but I hope someone did,
Sun Nov 10, 2019, 06:46 PM
Nov 2019

because it's a fair question to ask of any candidate who proposes a significant, costly change in any major government program. Anything that involves government spending (and almost everything does) has to be passed by Congress, which means that a lot of pie in the sky quickly loses altitude once it gets to that stage. I want the candidates to be honest about what they think the chances are that their programs can become law.

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KPN

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2. It's quite obvious to me that someday, we will in fact have something like, if not
Sun Nov 10, 2019, 12:41 PM
Nov 2019

Medicare For All --- in large part due to Sander's and Warren's unabashed straight-talk and promotion of what really is not a radical proposal.

We already owe a debt of gratitude to these great leaders in my view.

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evertonfc

(1,713 posts)
4. I hope
Sun Nov 10, 2019, 12:49 PM
Nov 2019

these strategist are not working for us in the General

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UniteFightBack

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14. The question is ...whose strategists are they? nt
Sun Nov 10, 2019, 01:41 PM
Nov 2019
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ritapria

(1,812 posts)
5. Middle Class Taxes go up on Warren Plan
Sun Nov 10, 2019, 12:49 PM
Nov 2019

Employers who employ more than 50 people are not going to take that $ 9500 hit per employee ……….. They are going to reduce employee compensation to some degree …….An indirect tax is a tax nonetheless … A payroll tax is the preferred and efficient way to finance MFA .….Th bigger point is that projected tax increases are less than the projected reduction in healthcare expenses …….That simple concept can't be sold to the American people ? ….. If the people can't figure that out , the Country is Lost.....…..

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Demsrule86

(68,576 posts)
6. Not only will moderates not support MFA... many who are not modereate won't. It is not popular and
Sun Nov 10, 2019, 12:56 PM
Nov 2019

one of the reasons for Warren decline in recent polls...it hurts her electability...the most important thing for many if not most.

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