DEBATE THREAD #1

[Hekate]

It's still just a few hours off, but I feel this is urgent, so I am reposting the following:

What I want from this debate and going forward: a full-throated denunciation of Trump's cheating and crimes from every candidate who dares call themself a Democrat.

DO NOT leave Joe Biden out there twisting in the wind alone, answering questions from the moderators about Hunter and Burisma. Speak up loud and clear!

If you think Trump won't come for you, you are a fool and not worth my time.

If you dislike Joe Biden so much you think he deserves this and Trump is just doing your work for you, you are despicable and not worthy of the office you seek.

Trump has not just undermined our democracy, he has declared war on it.

Trump is no longer just a buffoon with a personality disorder, his grandiosity has pushed him over into the "dangerously insane" category. He is a danger to us all. He will tear it all down unless someone stops him soon.

Trump will destroy us if not stopped by a united front. No cowardice from Dems!


Please report in your observations.

[Cha]

1. KR!

[Hekate]

3. Thanks!

[ancianita]

108. Thanks, Hekate. I'm glad we're here.

[Bayard]

2. Totally agree

Thanks!

[Hekate]

4. Thanks!

[Hekate]

5. Self -kick

[MustLoveBeagles]

6. I can't argue with anything you've said

[MustLoveBeagles]

7. Does anyone have a link to the live stream?

[highplainsdem]

14. Here:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/


WaPo is cohosting the deabte.

[MustLoveBeagles]

16. Thank you

You're awesome!

[femmedem]

39. It's also free on msnbc.com

I switched to MSNBC when I wasn't getting good sound on WaPo.

[MustLoveBeagles]

44. Thank you femmedem

[bdamomma]

8. I'd be

happy not to see Tulsi Gabbard on that stage.

[sheshe2]

54. 24 minutes in she gets to speak.

and trashes Dems.

OMG! Kamala is going after her!

[Vinca]

9. I don't think I'll be able to watch, but I submitted a question on the MSNBC site a few days ago.

It was asking whether - if elected President - would they pardon Trump of all criminal offenses and, if so, why do they think Trump is above the law. Maybe someone could let me know if it gets asked since it's the only question I really care about at this point.

[Celerity]

10. I hope there are no viscous attacks, just fair and very vigorous debate

[Politicub]

15. I don't think they will stick.

[MustLoveBeagles]

25. +1

This is what I'm hoping for

[bdamomma]

11. Kicking

for visibility

[FreeState]

12. All lined up and ready to go n/t

[Politicub]

13. Wow! What a setting!

[SKKY]

17. Mayor Pete strong out of the gates.

[highplainsdem]

18. Kudos to Biden for mentioning who's most likely to assure a Senate majority for Dems.

[Kahuna7]

20. Yep! nt

[Cha]

22. Thank you for that, hpd...

[ecstatic]

19. I'm loving Kamala's opening! (Criminal enterprise!)

Everyone should be subjected to the same rules!

[Celerity]

31. +1

[highplainsdem]

21. Slight Warren gaffe there, saying 50 billion when she meant 50 million. I'm not

criticizing her for it, but I'd bet that if Biden had made the same mistake...

[Celerity]

26. I caught that too nt

[TexasTowelie]

28. Yes, and I think that she did it twice. nt

[highplainsdem]

32. Yes, she did it twice.

[crazytown]

29. Joe picked it up too

[MustLoveBeagles]

37. It would've been.......

Gaffe, gaffe, gaffe everywhere a gaffe, gaffe.

On a serious note, I'm not going to slam her for it. She just misspoke. No big deal.

[ecstatic]

38. With her saying it twice, I'm assuming she's changed her platform. nt

[Kahuna7]

87. I noticed it. nt

[Gothmog]

129. I caught that gaffe

[TexasTowelie]

23. Warren just made a mistake (twice)

when she referenced her 2% wealth tax applying after 50 billion dollars rather than 50 million dollars.

[highplainsdem]

27. Yep. See reply 21.

[crazytown]

24. Warren segways to wealth tax

clumbsy

[bdamomma]

30. No Tulsi

feedback yet, good.

[MustLoveBeagles]

33. Don't count on that lasting very long

I would've preferred to see Beto in one more debate instead of her, but oh well.

[bdamomma]

36. Yea for sure.

nt

[ecstatic]

34. Um... is Cory sticking up for billionaires? WTF? nt

[Hoyt]

42. Nope, he's saying there are other ways to accomplish the same thing rather than a wealth tax.

Raise income tax rates, increase Capital Gains tax rates, reinstate Estate Taxes, etc. I agree with that.

[ritapria]

45. He's accepting Super PAC money

[onecaliberal]

71. Unfortunately, yes

[frazzled]

67. No, he's saying

You can tax billionaires all you want, but it’s not going to appreciably negate the obstacles that face people living under the weight of hundreds of years of institutional racism. He’s saying we need to focus on ways of ensuring that people at the very bottom can start to build wealth by making specific investments in promoting opportunities in marginalized communities.

[bdamomma]

35. They came off

the questions of trump.


Mayor Pete like him.

[MustLoveBeagles]

40. I do too

[Politicub]

41. Wish we could table healthcare for at least one of these debates.

It’s an important topic, and they’re all for HC reform of some type or another. The arguing takes up so much time and sucks up the energy in the room.

[rickford66]

43. Shouldn't they all get questions ?

[Lefta Dissenter]

50. Yes,

Except for Tulsi.

[bdamomma]

46. Get Tulsi

out, she's a plant. She keeps on saying the same things.

[guillaumeb]

47. Recommended.

Do not let the GOP, and the US corporate media, define what the issues are.

If anyone allows that to happen, the GOP wins because we will always be on the defensive.

[ecstatic]

48. Gabbard the troll! Can't stand her!

And if we're so bad, why the fuck are you running as a Democrat?

[bdamomma]

136. I think

she's sneaky what would happen if she ran as a Independent and changed party, a Jill Stein stunt. Could she do that?

[tishaLA]

49. I hope they all ignore Gabbard

But I'd give a whole paycheck to anyone who tells her that if she thinks the Party is so bad, she can leave it

[onecaliberal]

78. Kamala basically did just that.

[tishaLA]

90. I know.

And I'm not complaining that I have to keep my word.

[TruckFump]

51. Yuck, Gabbard!

[onecaliberal]

52. Hell to the yes, go Kamala. Call out the Russian on stage.

[TruckFump]

59. Right on!

[bdamomma]

69. Love it

meow hiss.... hiss

[Funtatlaguy]

53. Harris going after Tulsi...Oh boy.

[flamingdem]

55. Gabbard trashed Hillary Clinton! Go KAMALA!

Yow set the record straight!!

[Cha]

97. What did Kamala say back

to TG's disingenuously trashing Hillary?

Mahalo, flamingdem

[flamingdem]

154. Here's the video Cha

She went on to attack the entire party, jeez!

https://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/watch/kamala-harris-attacks-tulsi-gabbard-s-record-73795141610

[Cha]

155. Mahalo!

Do you think the other candidates are getting it that Hillary was right?!

[flamingdem]

159. Everyone is feeling that

she .. and we were robbed - so will the whole country when tRump gets zapped!

[elleng]

56. NOT GOOD for Harris to go hard after another candidate,

imo.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

61. Gabbard is the exception. She deserved everything Harris dished up.

[blm]

79. And more

[hlthe2b]

64. After Gabbard went after the entire Democratic Party, HRC by name and on and on...

I'm happy as hell that Harris took her on. She's no Democrat IMHO>

[yellowdogintexas]

117. I don't think you can get elected in Hawaii unless

you run as a Democrat. Seriously she is a royal pain.
#NotYouTulsi

[Happy Hoosier]

65. I loved it.

Gabbard deserves every bit of it.

[BannonsLiver]

68. GMAFB

[Cha]

112. Ikr?

omg

[BannonsLiver]

116. People are worried about an Obama haters feelings.

[Cha]

131. And,

Hillary!

[Blue_true]

89. Are you serious? Gabbard was trashing democrats and Hillary Clinton.

Cudos to Harris for taking her on.

[nini]

138. Nah..she's standing up for every candidate up there that Gabbard has dissed

Tuski deserved every bit of that.

[ecstatic]

57. Thank you Kamala!!!! Rip her a new one!

[Mersky]

66. Called out directly

Such a good turn by Harris

[Mersky]

58. Um, Tulsi, get out.

That's a bunch of crud.

[brooklynite]

60. "Kamala Harris trafficking in lies and smears"...

Getting very personal.

[BootinUp]

62. incoming! Tulsi taking some heat from Harris! Bravo

[Politicub]

74. That was brilliant. It took the wind from the sails of Tulsi's ship of shit.

[StevieM]

81. I missed it. What did she say? (eom)

[BootinUp]

95. That Tulsi is a traitor to our party (paraphrased). and shortened

[tishaLA]

99. She said Gabbard spent her first four years in office

spending her time on fox news and insulting everything Pres Obama promoted. Then, after the 2016 election, she used her friendliness toward Bannon to get herself a meeting with tRUmp. It was more involved than that, but that's some.

[StevieM]

140. Thanks.

I appreciate your taking time out to describe what happened.

I can't wait to see that moment in the post-debate coverage, and many more times on youtube.

[bdamomma]

63. Meow

Harris went after Tulsi. Good

Get the hook for Tulsi, so much BS.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

72. Suggesting that was a cat fight?

[Bluepinky]

73. I don't like Tulsi, feel like she's a plant.

[zonkers]

70. Tulsi Gabbard. Go eat a turd. That is all. n/t.

[ecstatic]

75. Gabbard thinks her military background gives her free rein

to do and say whatever the hell she wants. No! You are a divisive troll and your disgusting words are not welcome!

[sheshe2]

156. Has she made any comment...

Has she made any comment how LTC Vindman was treated during the impeachment testimonies? Has she commented on the fact her Commander in Chief trashed him. Has she commented about the death threats that he and his family has received? His family, Navy and Army are wrapping their arms around them and protecting them on a military base from his Commander in Chief.

From White House South Lawn, Trump trashes Purple Heart recipient Lt. Col Alexander Vindman

https://www.msnbc.com/kasie-dc/watch/from-white-house-south-lawn-trump-trashes-whistleblower-lt-col-alexander-vindman-72744517706

Has she made one dayum comment?

[onecaliberal]

157. Nope.

[Renew Deal]

76. Klobuchar seems nervous

Though they haven't talked to her much

[Mossfern]

80. She brought up Citizens United

That's very very improtant - nervous or not.,

[Blaukraut]

82. She's trembling a bit, but I loved her answer just now! n/t

[liberalmediaaddict]

77. Gabbard isn't a Democrat. Kamala rocks!

[riversedge]

83. Kamala Harris comes out SWINGING at Tulsi Gabbard and her numerous anti-Democratic sins, from Fox Ne

LOVED IT


Oh dear Kamala Harris comes out SWINGING at Tulsi Gabbard and her numerous anti-Democratic sins, from Fox News to Bannon to Assad.

#DemDebate
#DemocraticDebate

Link to tweet

?s=20

[liberal N proud]

86. Someone needed to attack her

[Cha]

158. YAY, Kamala! Mahalo, rivers!

Link to tweet

[Tumbulu]

84. Does every single woman wear false eyelashes

Are all the women trying to imitate that idiot Kellyanne Conway?!!!

[ecstatic]

137. Eyelashes make a HUGE difference. I don't think EW is wearing any. nt

[Tumbulu]

146. It seems like she and Amy are

Normal. I just don’t get how they became the normal eyewear.

[BootinUp]

85. Pete is sooo good.

[emmaverybo]

88. Hope someone includes the enduring, and now increasing, threat of a first nuclear war in challenges

we face. Such an event, whether between India and Pakistan, us and a rival, in the Mideast will
trigger catastrophic climate change, potentially kill billions, and cause wide-spread famine.

[Happy Hoosier]

91. Not my candidate, but Amy is cool. Nt

[riversedge]

92. When #Kamala was called upon to respond to Tulsi ..................................

When #Kamala was called upon to respond to Tulsi #DemDebate #DemocraticDebate

Link to tweet

?s=20

[riversedge]

94. KAMALA HARRIS JUST TOOK TULSI GABBARD'S WHOLE LIFE!!! THANK YOU, KAMALA!!!! 🔥 🔥 🔥

Madam Auntie Kamala Harris (Supporters)
@flywithkamala
·
10m
KAMALA HARRIS JUST TOOK TULSI GABBARD’S WHOLE LIFE!!!

THANK YOU, KAMALA!!!!
🔥

🔥

🔥
#DemocraticDebate #DemDebate

[zonkers]

102. Crushed it

[emmaverybo]

98. Good. Booker is now answering the unity question.

[Tumbulu]

93. Wow Amy was great

And no fake eyelashes!!!!!

[elleng]

101. She usually is great!

[rockfordfile]

115. She looks like she's nervous

[MustLoveBeagles]

96. Love Amy

Loved the shout out to Speaker Pelosi. Loved Joe's response too.

[emmaverybo]

103. Yes. Both had very good moments!

[riversedge]

109. #1

[Politicub]

100. Love that they're bringing in some humor

[ancianita]

104. Sanders is solid. Right about "the American people" with every statement.

[brooklynite]

105. So far, Buttigieg isn't getting beaten up...

[riversedge]

106. Axios: ...we have someone on this stage ... who during the Obama administration spent four years fu

Kamala Harris attacks Tulsi Gabbard: "I think that it's unfortunate that we have someone on this stage ... who during the Obama administration spent four years full time on Fox News criticizing President Obama...[and] buddied up to Steve Bannon to get a meeting with Donald Trump"

Link to tweet

?s=20

[ecstatic]

107. I actually like the way Bernie responded to Rachel's annoying question

about whether democrats should be discouraged from shouting "lock him up!"

[ancianita]

111. I "feel him" with every answer. And I didn't want to.

[BannonsLiver]

121. That made me LOL

[frazzled]

125. I deplore it

Lack of civility is a prime problem in our society. To encourage the behavior from the right we deplore is itself deplorable.

There are many ways to express our views about Trump. Behaving like Trumpers is not one of them. Congress and the courts will lock him up, not a mob mentality.

[ecstatic]

128. I would have agreed before trump. His lack of civility

requires an aggressive, equal response. He's the type of guy who takes civility for weakness.

[frazzled]

153. We need a president who will be the anti-Trump

Sanders showed in 2016 and is showing again today that he does not possess the leadership to set the tone for his followers, much less the nation.

A schoolyard fight of escalating nyah-nyahs is the road to perdition, not a solution.

[ecstatic]

110. Sorry, Biden. Lock him up!!

Not gonna stop saying that anytime soon.

[onecaliberal]

113. Hear hear

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

119. No, Biden is right. The president shouldn't decide who should be prosecuted.

That's Trump's attitude - prosecuting his political enemies. Biden made the correct point that the DoJ and Attorney General should be independent from the president and make their own decisions based on the law.

[ecstatic]

124. I agree with that part, but then he pivoted into saying

that we shouldn't chant "lock him up." On that point, we disagree!

[emmaverybo]

134. 100 percent. And then the people will get behind the process.

[peggysue2]

149. Exactly right

We stand for the rule of law. Presidents do not go after their political enemies or opponents. Trump does that. Which is why he must be defeated. Without the rule of law, we'll lose the Republic. Without healing the country, nothing will get done. We cannot be tempted into accepting Trump's lower than low bar.

Biden gave the right answer, the only answer.

[rockfordfile]

123. I agree

It's American grass roots.

[Clash City Rocker]

114. Great answer by Biden on whether to prosecute Trump if he leaves office

[rockfordfile]

122. I agree

[ancianita]

118. Yang and families. His factual, statistical approach is solid.

[ancianita]

120. ALL the Dems on this stage tonight are about the American people. I love this.

[liberal N proud]

130. Except Gabbard

She is for the republicans

[ancianita]

133. I stand corrected. You are absolutely right. I don't even get why she's up there.

[Gothmog]

126. Thank you Senator Harris

Link to tweet

[nini]

132. Gabbard is a piece of work

Harris aint' playin'

[Iliyah]

135. Tulsi responded just like a Republican because

everything Kamala said was true.

[Gothmog]

142. I really like Senator Harris

She is a great lawyer

[Jewls2]

148. Exactly. First thing she says is Harris lied. There was not a single lie.

I which Harris had gotten a follow up. Tulsi, you claim I lie?

And list it off again and ask if it happened.

I am so damn tired of truth being turned into a lie and lies being our false reality.

[MustLoveBeagles]

144. Senator Harris is doing great tonight

Here's the link to Debate thread 2: https://www.democraticunderground.com/1287353046

[ancianita]

127. Kamala and women in America is the reality of most voters. WOMEN. GO, HARRIS!

[ancianita]

139. Booker's tax credit for renters is a great idea.

[Mersky]

141. Yeah, that is a great idea

[ancianita]

145. Because he's been a mayor who pays attention. Not like Bloomberg.

[Mersky]

150. Sure, yeah, been following Booker for years

This mechanism he suggested in particular is really savvy, and gets at the core issues of economics vs. how people need to move around and those who want to stay in areas. Is brilliant, really.

[ancianita]

151. Agreed. It's the best thing I've heard from him.

[brooklynite]

143. PLEASE SWITCH TO THREAD 2...

https://www.democraticunderground.com/1287353046

[emmaverybo]

147. Booker good on gentrification and low income families losing homes. We have an epidemic of

foreclosures across the nation. Many middle income folks paying on homes for years face the threat of losing them to a job loss, disability, missed property tax deadlines, and need help to stay in them. This need is one reason I favor more conservative debt relief on student loans, not wholesale amnesty which includes those able to pay principal.

Income driven policies should address low income needs and families first. Rolling back on interest on
student debt would help because it is the exploding due to compound interest that creates the bulk of the burden.

[ancianita]

152. Biden makes a good hit on Steyer. Though Steyer continues THE issue of my man, Inslee.

But for Steyer to say that he'll declare a "national emergency" proves that he doesn't know how much democratic rights get suspended.

On the other hand, corporations' "rights" WILL be suspended, and that absolutely can't be a bad thing.