Democratic Primaries
Related: About this forumBoston Globe: Biden was the Admiral Stockdale of this debate
Grade: D
Biden was the Admiral Stockdale of this debate: who is he and what is he doing here?
Who he is, of course, is the national Democratic frontrunner and the former vice president. But he ended up being a total non-factor in this debate and did nothing to stop the bleeding on his early state poll numbers or his campaign cash.
Biden constantly makes the argument he is the best Democrat to be on the debate stage with Donald Trump. However, he has yet to have a good debate, and in every debate he said something that was just weird, or he had a bad moment.
In Wednesday nights debate, he was unsteady. He said he had the endorsement of the only African-American woman who was ever elected to the Senate. But there was a second African-American woman elected to the Senate Kamala Harris and she was standing on the stage with him.
Then there was his repeated use of the word punching when speaking about domestic violence.
Yikes.
https://www.bostonglobe.com/news/politics/2019/11/20/scorecard-grading-debate-performance-democratic-candidates/AFNnlHviWCbvGzoOdp0CmM/story.html?s_campaign=breakingnews:newsletter
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
JoeOtterbein
(7,699 posts)Sad.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,121 posts)Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
boomer_wv
(673 posts)something like this
A man goes home and masturbates his typical fantasy. A woman on her knees, a woman tied up, a woman abused.
A woman enjoys intercourse with her man as she fantasizes being raped by 3 men simultaneously.
Of course, we all know who actually wrote this. Right?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
George II
(67,782 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
emulatorloo
(44,057 posts)Pundits have been saying that for months. Yet it still hasnt happened.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)In November the fate of our nation will be determined by a narrow margin -- if it wasn't already in 2014 or 2016. We don't know if we've already had our last genuine election yet. But assuming we didn't, I think it's way past time to realize what's at stake and commit to winning.
Trump, rising fascism and white nationalism, beginnings of ethnic cleansing, massive transfer of wealth and power away from the people, end of progressivism and liberalism in government. And so much more.
That doesn't mean supporting Biden, it means refusing any behavior that would help the Republicans and Russia to try to bring him down. Because he's currently still our top choice and we have to protect our best chance, whoever it is.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Hassin Bin Sober
(26,308 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)(six of one, half a dozen of the other... and each as without merit as the other)
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
NRaleighLiberal
(60,006 posts)was in the lower tier as to outcome - Gabbard absolutely worst, then Steyer - then Biden.
Klobuchar, Pete, Kamala, Yang, Booker, Sanders, Harris, and Warren the winners and all pretty close to each other.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
hedda_foil
(16,371 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
NRaleighLiberal
(60,006 posts)tonight. Booker and Klobuchar and Yang really threw it out there tonight, I thought, but I am still currently a Warren supporter and don't see changing.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
BlueMTexpat
(15,365 posts)EVER changing in the primaries.
To me, she is far and away the best of the candidates we have. Time will tell whether a majority of primary voters concur with me.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,121 posts)as Elizabeth is clearly the most competent candidate in the group... maybe the most competent Democratic candidate ever!!
Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
BlueMTexpat
(15,365 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Bradshaw3
(7,484 posts)And Biden has been either bad or mediocre in all of them? Not a good sign for debating in the GE.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,121 posts)Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Gothmog
(144,884 posts)I was a stutter until about 4th grade. I find these attacks on Biden to be sad. This article about Joe's stuttering really hit home with me. The discussion of the movie The King's Speech was very moving for me.
Link to tweet
Presidential candidates usually dont speak about their bleakest moments, certainly not this viscerally. It resembles the way Biden writes in his memoir about the aftermath of the 1972 car accident that killed his first wife and young daughter and critically injured his two sons, Beau and Hunter: I could not speak, only felt this hollow core grow in my chest, like I was going to be sucked inside a black hole.
A few weeks later, I ask Jill Biden what she remembers about sitting next to her husband during the movie. It was one of those moments in a marriage where you just sort of understand without words being spoken, she says.
As he watched The Kings Speech, Biden accurately guessed that the screenwriter, David Seidler, was a stutterer. He showed me a copy of a speech they found in an attic that the king had actually used, where he marks hisits exactly what I do! Biden tells me, his voice lifting. My staff, when I have them put something on a prompterI wish I had something to show you.
I agree with Joe that it would be difficult for trump to use Joe's stutter against him
I dont think so, Biden says, because if you ask the polls Does Biden stutter? Has he ever stuttered?, youd have 80 to 95 percent of people say no. If Trump goes there, Biden adds, itll just expose him for what he is.
I ask Biden something else weve been circling: whether he worries that people would pity him if they thought he still stuttered.
He scratches his chin, his fingers trembling slightly. Well, I guess, um, its kind of hard to pity a vice president. Its kind of hard to pity a senator whos gotten six zillion awards. Its kind of hard to pity someone who has had, you know, a decent family. I-I-I-I dont think if, now, if someone sits and says, Well, you know, the kid, when he was a stutterer, he must have been really basically stupid, I-I-I dont think its hard toIve never thought of that. I mean, theres nobody in the last, I dont know, 55 years, has ever said anything like that to me.
This is an issue that I have strong feelings about.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
The debates only count for so much, especially in the primaries.
You don't really think the Dotard is going to do well in the debates, do you?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
TexasTowelie
(111,895 posts)She was clearly trembling throughout the debate and while she gave good answers, it is difficult to put her up at the top. I disagree with most of the rankings on most of the Boston Globe's scorecard.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
BeyondGeography
(39,341 posts)Im surprised more people havent picked up on that.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Merlot
(9,696 posts)I wasn't sure if it were just an accent, or distinct way of speaking. I didn't see it as coming from nervousness.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
BeyondGeography
(39,341 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
torius
(1,652 posts)Making it look like she was shaking, but it seemed to only be on the front of her hair. Not sure though. Her voice sounded fine.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
C_U_L8R
(44,983 posts)Not wanting to guess but something is very visible. Has she said anything about it?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
The Blue Flower
(5,432 posts)But I don't see it this morning on Morning Joe.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,121 posts)Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Hav
(5,969 posts)Was it really trembling? I thought it was only because of that part of the hair above her left eye in that unstable position moving more because of how it was styled. That's the only thing I noticed as it was a bit distracting.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Green Line
(1,123 posts)I have a subscription, they post Warren puff pieces every day.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
BeyondGeography
(39,341 posts)Or that odd comment he made about coming out of the Black community. He tripped over his words, which is not exactly a new hobby of Biden, but one thats worsening with time. His stumbles only increased as time went on in this debate. Thats why I laugh at Bidens claims that Trumps Ukraine scandal serves a testament to the assertion that he is the most formidable Democrat seeking the nomination. Someone needs to stop confusing an easy target with being the hardest to defeat.
If they really wanted to scare Trump, theyd nominate a woman. But to his point, he does command a huge portion of the Black vote so we may be stuck with him. Please convince your relatives next week to save me from this. Since the Democratic establishment, in all its continued uselessness, cant.
https://www.essence.com/articles/atlanta-democratic-debates/
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,121 posts)Another day, another gaffe... oh well.
Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
redqueen
(115,101 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Hav
(5,969 posts)except for the end of his closing statement.
He could have worded many things better but he said that he's coming out of the Black community in terms of his support which is true. Far from the best way to put it but this is one of the points taken out of context and blown up unfairly.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,121 posts)Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Demsrule86
(68,455 posts)she was weak last night...and Biden had the best closing statement.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
The Valley Below
(1,701 posts)Biden is pulling away and those left in the dust think it is a good idea to crap on the clear leader of the party.
Insane!
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
TidalWave46
(2,061 posts)He isnt even an elected official nor does he hold any prominent role.
Chances are pretty good that he will be the leader of the party.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Demsrule86
(68,455 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
TidalWave46
(2,061 posts)But I do agree that "sliming" the probable nominee is a bad idea.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Demsrule86
(68,455 posts)He could do it. And we simply must not allow this to happen.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
TidalWave46
(2,061 posts)We have an excellent field of contenders. The front runner is solid and very little is moving his numbers. If that holds he will be in excellent shape. A start to finish lead is a great thing. In the end the winner of our primary is going to eliminate Trump.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Demsrule86
(68,455 posts)not all of them will win a GE...Biden can win the Mid West and help with the Senate...I see no other candidate who will do this. And they are fine people. I would vote for any of them...but where we need the votes is problematic. Biden is our best shot.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
DavidDvorkin
(19,465 posts)He did okay.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
stonecutter357
(12,693 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Lizzie Boredom
(16 posts)How does that make her African?
Also, Kamala is a Hindu name. I'm no supporter of Biden's, but on this point (African-American Senator) he was not wrong.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
WePurrsevere
(24,259 posts)You, OTOH, are correct and welcome to DU.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
TidalWave46
(2,061 posts)Its about how society views someone when they walk out their front door. I find it to be fully acceptable as the term has always had a life of its own.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,121 posts)Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
mcar
(42,278 posts)a black American bc his mother was white and father was African, right?
I remember certain groups making that absurd claim once upon a time.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Demsrule86
(68,455 posts)Kamala's has Indian and Jamaican parents...and a big who cares.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Lizzie Boredom
(16 posts)Your post is not really worthy of a reply since you claim something that's in no way possible to infer from my post.
Obama is absolutely black. So is Harris, if she identifies as such. But she is not African. African is not synonymous with black, and African is no more an ethnicity than "American" is. These points are self-evident and shouldn't even have to be made, unless one is willfully obtuse.
Enough with the semantics. The main point is, Biden was right. And anyone claiming otherwise is just being disingenuous and playing politics.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
mcar
(42,278 posts)So she has the right to self-identify as African American or black. I don't think it is appropriate for anyone else to make that judgment for her.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Lizzie Boredom
(16 posts)She's a descendant on her father's side of an Irish slave owner who moved to Jamaica and founded a town there. He owned scores of slaves, but most of them Creole and not African. This according to Harris' own dad, who has Irish ancestry on both his maternal and paternal side. So, even calling Kamala Harris Irish-American is more correct than African-American. Having a little more melanin in your complexion than whites isn't enough to make you African. Having relatively immediate African ancestry makes you African. Otherwise the whole world is African, since humanity originated there.
The seeming obsession here with making everyone with a darker shade than a white sheet out to be African is a bit weird, and frankly insulting to people of color who are not African. Last I heard, Senator Harris identifies as Indian-American. If she also identifies as African-American, nobody is hurt by it for sure. But why isn't it appropriate to question? If I identify as a banana, will you blindly accept it without proof?
The point is, again, that Biden was right, and this whole thing is a complete non-story and just a politically motivated attack.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
StarfishSaver
(18,486 posts)to bigots and Republicans.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Lizzie Boredom
(16 posts)And what do you know about my ethnicity to assume I'm whitesplaining?
Senator Harris is seemingly quite proud of her Indian heritage, having spoken about it many times. If she also identifies as African, did she object when Biden spoke about the only African-American senator?
In fact, has she spoken at all about being African? I find instances of her speaking about blackness and being black, but not claiming to be African-American. Can you point me to one such instance please? Or are you trying to ascribe something to her that she's not even claiming herself, just because you too conflate "African" and "black"? Seems a bit whitesplainy to me if so.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
StarfishSaver
(18,486 posts)And then you doubled down and did it again in greater detail in case anyone missed it the first time.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Lizzie Boredom
(16 posts)You just assume Senator Harris' ethnicity for her because it fits your narrative. How respectful of you to 'splain the "facts".
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
StarfishSaver
(18,486 posts)Harris' ethnicity is obviously something you feel very strongly about.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
treestar
(82,383 posts)though I suppose black people were not the only minorities, but busing seemed to mainly be about improving education for black children.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
tonedevil
(3,022 posts)about how low Democrats might go, but several threads on this board show me your hope is optimistic.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
StarfishSaver
(18,486 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
treestar
(82,383 posts)She could still have a lot of African ancestry if the Irishman married a black woman and so on down the line.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
R B Garr
(16,950 posts)left office in 2016. Obviously Biden wasn't talking about her nor did he omit her since she wasn't there at the time anyway.
It's absurd she made that about herself.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
treestar
(82,383 posts)and their ancestors come from Africa. The USA is not the only country in the Americas with a history of slavery. The Caribbean has tons of black people and they are all AA.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cuthbert Allgood
(4,905 posts)If you are making a claim that Harris isn't African-American because her most recent ancestor comes from Jamaica, that sounds horrible.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
StarfishSaver
(18,486 posts)Even Biden doesn't believe that.
"I said FIRST! I said FIRST African-American female senator!"
Biden made a mistake. Why are Biden supporters twisting themselves into knots pretending he didn't? It only makes the supporters look silly and it doesn't make their candidate look very strong if he needs that kind of defense.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
R B Garr
(16,950 posts)he said. I didnt see him changing what he said because he didnt need to. He added a polite addendum but what he said was correct. Harris and Cory were ready to pounce since they wanted to diminish his support with African American voters.
He was honoring CMB by saying she had been the first AA female Senator.
She had been the only elected Senator means
she was the first Senator. It doesnt mean she was the only Senator. He didnt correct himself out of error because he wasnt wrong.
If you have to browbeat people with these biased interpretations, it means there wasnt much there to begin with.
Im more disgusted with Harris for making a nice tribute to CMB about herself in a mistaken way. Now we are reminded that Biden swore Harris in as an Indian-American, so he wasnt wrong.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Raine
(30,540 posts)I think that's really harsh, I thought he held his own.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Eugene
(61,805 posts)Yes, Joe Biden made a jaw dropping gaffe, but we know what he was trying to say. It's not a big f---ing deal.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,121 posts)I just don't think Joe is the best candidate to take on tRumpty Dumbpty.
Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Demsrule86
(68,455 posts)so please stop with this. You could put the entire staff of the Boston Globe in a room and they are not worth one hair on Admiral Stockdale's head...he was a fine man and a credit to the Navy and our country. Biden should wear the comparison as a badge of honor.
"When told by his captors that he was to be paraded in public, Stockdale slit his scalp with a razor to purposely disfigure himself so that his captors could not use him as propaganda. When they covered his head with a hat, he beat himself with a stool until his face was swollen beyond recognition. When Stockdale was discovered with information that could implicate his friends' "black activities", he slit his wrists so they could not torture him into confession.[12] During the course of his captivity, due to torture, his leg was broken twice."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Stockdale
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
TidalWave46
(2,061 posts)Klobuchar is one of my favorites but on appearance she absolutely bombed. This author is smoking the good shit.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
ritapria
(1,812 posts)The voters don't seem to give a shit .His standing in the national polls seems solid ...As a Bernie supporter I wish Joe's numbers would fall but it doesn't seems like it's going to happen .These debates have had little effect on voter preferences because there are too many people on stage ..No one is getting enough time to stand out from the crowd .. Will we ever have debate with just the Top 6 or 7 candidates ? . For example , I've heard enough from Steyer and Gabbard ...Please Go Guys
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,121 posts)Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
cwydro
(51,308 posts)Darn.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Alex Blaine Layder
(21 posts)what i hit was a demand for an email subscription. "bub@schlub.net" got me past that.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
cwydro
(51,308 posts)Im paranoid about that though; i think my computer knows everything about me.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
highplainsdem
(48,889 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Demsrule86
(68,455 posts)viciously tortured by the enemy so I find the Boston Globe is attacking not only Biden but the Admiral as well and it makes me sick to see this fine man attacked like this. And Biden did not appear like the Admiral...anyway.
But you know what anyone who attacks a war hero who was tortured and injured for serving his country can pound sand for all I care...disgusting. My Dad served in the Navy and so did my Mom-an officer and a nurse who served proudly...I was born at Great Lakes...My Dad was a medic attached to a marine unit during Korea and Vietnam ( I was born late in his life)...He was the greatest man I ever knew (except my husband who is amazing and my son ditto). I don't take kindly to those those who attack American heroes...for shame Boston Globe. you just demonstrated how much you suck and you do Warren no favors IMHO.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Demsrule86
(68,455 posts)Stockdale...
"When told by his captors that he was to be paraded in public, Stockdale slit his scalp with a razor to purposely disfigure himself so that his captors could not use him as propaganda. When they covered his head with a hat, he beat himself with a stool until his face was swollen beyond recognition. When Stockdale was discovered with information that could implicate his friends' "black activities", he slit his wrists so they could not torture him into confession.[12] During the course of his captivity, due to torture, his leg was broken twice."
In closing, fuck you again Boston Globe. For shame.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
The Valley Below
(1,701 posts)What a badass. Respect. And thanks for sharing.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Demsrule86
(68,455 posts)and the Boston Globe are a disgrace. Fuck them all. And thanks! The man saved the lives of other prisoners too...he is an American hero and should not be treated in this manner. I would have deleted the OP if I could.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
The Valley Below
(1,701 posts)I must admit my previous ignorance of the man, and how--as with many--he was defined my "the moment" in my mind.
I now see that caricature is grossly unfair. He was a man of intellect and honor.
My sincere thanks for helping raise my consciousness.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Demsrule86
(68,455 posts)be held up as an object of ridicule by the Boston Glob and some here. I would bet Joe knows the truth and will say he is proud but not worthy to be compared to this great man who was well loved by the troops.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
myohmy2
(3,137 posts)...Joe's a great guy but is he the right guy right now?
...Joe's proclivity to gaffe and step on his own message is problematic to say the least...as the nominee, it will be our message...
...we've got a war ahead of us with trump and the republicans and I'm not sure Joe's up to the task...
...yes, I'm a Bernie supporter and I'm biased but nonetheless, it's something to think about and consider...
...we've got a lot riding on 2020...
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
earthside
(6,960 posts)I feel for Joe Biden ... the presidency is something he has aspired to probably for most of his life.
But time has run out, just as it does for all of us human beings.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Demsrule86
(68,455 posts)lucky ones...
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Demsrule86
(68,455 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Unclephil
(92 posts)Warren- Harvard, academia, Massachusetts- you couldn't draw up a candidate that the GOP would want to run against more- She defines every negative possible.
Bernie- Negative from multiple ways. He is a bit condescending and hits every negative of an ethnic new yorker.
Biden- long in the tooth
Harris- California
Klobachar wonderfully bright but just a dull.
Pete- 38
Just think who has the best chance in PA, WN and MN
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
brooklynite
(94,302 posts)At least, that's what I was told posting anything negative about Biden would be...
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Demsrule86
(68,455 posts)bashing and it is...why not post positive articles about Mayor Pete? It is very likely that Biden will be the nominee, and we should not give the GOP ammunition against him. Please note, while I opine about election chances IE who can win, I post about issues (not a fan of M4A). Also, I post positive articles about Biden, I do not post negative articles about other candidates...I did once or twice after the first debate (Kamala Harris) and I regret this. We need to consider that one of these folks will be our nominee.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Gothmog
(144,884 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
UniteFightBack
(8,231 posts)fucking ass.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Calof
(19 posts)Didn't see that coming
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Gothmog
(144,884 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
MustLoveBeagles
(11,580 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Gothmog
(144,884 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
BeyondGeography
(39,341 posts)and nobody was talking about his stuttering afterward.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
The Valley Below
(1,701 posts)Joe doesn't use his super-powers on fellow Democrats.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
BeyondGeography
(39,341 posts)But he didn't have this issue in 2008 either when he was one of the best debaters in the D primary.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Gothmog
(144,884 posts)Joe has worked very hard to overcome this issue
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
BeyondGeography
(39,341 posts)He's 77 years old, he's human and he is underperforming in these debates relative to what we've seen in the past. This isn't a plot to undermine Biden, it's a valid observation.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
The Valley Below
(1,701 posts)Which is part of why he ended up as Vice President.
He shows fellow Democrats the respect they deserve and isn't looking to make cheap shots.
That makes him presidential. The American people see that clearly.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Gothmog
(144,884 posts)Here is a 2010 episode of the View
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Gothmog
(144,884 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
BeyondGeography
(39,341 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Gothmog
(144,884 posts)This has always been part of his bio. This has never been a secret
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
tirebiter
(2,532 posts)Someone must feel threatened by Biden to throw this up again. Guess it didn't stick to the ceiling the first time.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Gothmog
(144,884 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden