Maybe Biden thought of Harris as the first Indian-American Senator?

[OldRed2450]

As she did of herself.

Link to tweet

[highplainsdem]

1. Yes. News stories about her Senate win sometimes mentioned ONLY her Indian heritage:

https://www.democraticunderground.com/1287354329

[tonedevil]

2. It's nice of you...

to manufacture excuses for VP Biden, but if he in fact was not aware that Senator Harris was an African-American Woman wouldn't he have mentioned it?

[OldRed2450]

3. I'm sure he is aware she is African American

but she seemed to highlight being the first Indian-American elected and not second AA woman.

[tonedevil]

4. If you actually think he is aware...

then your speculation that perhaps that's why he misspoke is absurd and petty.

[OldRed2450]

5. This whole thing is petty

I have trouble labeling my own race. Most people label me depending on how and where we originally met.

[tonedevil]

11. So how does that...

translate into posting an absurd speculation that isn't supported by Biden's own words and seems a cheap shot at Harris?

[pfeiffer]

6. No need...

...to accuse folks on here of being "absurd and petty".

[highplainsdem]

7. Your argument is wrong and your contempt is petty. If Biden thought of Harris as

Indian-American first, and also AA, then that does differentiate her from Carol Moseley Braun and would explain why Moseley Braun came to mind first.

As I pointed out in another thread about this, not only did some of the articles about Harris's election refer to her only as Indian-American, but that heritage was emphasized by how some of her family members were dressed when Biden swore her in.

Yes, she's emphasizing her Jamaican-American heritage now. It's definitely more helpful when running for president.

But that doesn't change the fact that she's also been described as Indian-American.

[PatSeg]

10. When I lived in California

I voted for Kamala Harris for Attorney General. It was my last election in California. I wasn't all that familiar with her, but I really didn't know what her ethnicity was. I'm not saying that as an excuse for Biden, but not everyone sees people in the same way.

Personally, I think Joe meant the "first" African American woman and in the heat of the moment didn't realize exactly what he'd said.

Meanwhile, once everyone runs this into the ground, it will be soon be forgotten as we move to the next ridiculous primary outrage.

[tonedevil]

13. I'm pretty sure he meant to say...

first as well. I just don't understand not saying I meant to say first when he was confronted. It's obvious what he meant and it's obvious what he said why not just be real about it and move on.

[PatSeg]

15. I didn't understand that either

In the past, Joe would have been quick to acknowledge his mistake and laugh about it. Lately, it feels like he has been uncharacteristically defensive, but that observation is limited to a few times I've seen or read about him lately. I haven't seen any video of him in his campaign events, so I know better than to judge under such circumstances. Everyone has bad days on the campaign trail.

[R B Garr]

23. Thank you. I wish I had seen this thread earlier.

I didn’t want to bring this up, but living in very diverse California, this did come to mind for obvious reasons.

[R B Garr]

25. 2nd post- Good catch! Just watched Kamala being sworn in by Biden

as Indian-American. That explains a lot and I had forgotten. Hmmm

[Cha]

18. The OP didn't make the tweet.. why are you being so

insulting and rude?

[Lizzie Boredom]

26. She's not African

Her mom is Indian and her dad Jamaican. It makes as much sense to call her European as African. If you don't feel American is enough, then Indian-American would be fitting. It's very weird how many on this forum want to claim that she's African.

[tonedevil]

27. Not African...

African-American while you can make fun of the Senator's DNA can you deny that a girl with her complexion growing up in red-lined Berkeley lived an authentic African-American experience. Do you really think Biden was unaware she is the second African-American Woman elected to the US Senate Moseley Braun is not the only?

[Lizzie Boredom]

50. Who's "making fun of her DNA"?

I'm curious as to why you want to deny Senator Harris' heritage and place her on another continent. That, to me, is making fun of her DNA. As to her complexion, if she identifies as black then that's what she is. But black is not synonymous with African, and to claim so is insulting to blacks from other parts of the world.

You might as well call all Americans African-American then, since we all have African heritage in our human history. What you are doing here is helping to make the term completely meaningless.

[SidDithers]

45. Welcome to DU...

Sid

[Cuthbert Allgood]

73. How did blacks get to Jamaica?

I mean, you do know the history, right?

[Cha]

17. The OP didn't "manufacture" anything.. as you

could see if you read the tweet.

[tonedevil]

20. Are you suggesting there is any reason...

to believe that Biden said that Moseley Braun was the only African-American Woman elected to the Senate was because he was under the impression that Harris is not an African-American Woman? That's what the tweet and this post are postulating.

[Cha]

21. I'm saying you're being rude and insulting.

[tonedevil]

22. Sorry. /nt

[LongtimeAZDem]

30. Indian-American Members of Congress Sworn In

[Iggo]

8. I see you!

[OldRed2450]

9. I see you too.

[Cha]

19. I see you!

[Celerity]

12. that Twitter account is a disgusting troll, it posts and retweets viscous attacks on our

candidates. Loves tweets calling Bernie Putin-backed, and attacking others as well, Harris, Booker, Warren, mocks climate change protesters, retweets antisemitic tropes (Jews and money) etc etc

this is just from the last day or so, I tire of sorting through this tosh

[Blue_true]

14. Joe had an off night.

I wonder whether the issues surrounding his son's love life didn't distract him yesterday and last night. My money is still on him to win the nomination after finally beating back Warren. Warren is in a lull right now but she is a fighter and will right things. Joe is going to have to fight it out with her until he wins the nomination. At that point it should be over because I doubt that she would want a convention fight or to disrupt platform preparation.

[PatSeg]

16. I'm inclined to agree with you

I'd forgotten about the latest Hunter news and I'm sure that has been on his mind. And yes Warren does seem in a lull right now, a little more subdued than usual. Maybe that is because we are so used to seeing her feisty, tireless demeanor. She is definitely a force of nature.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

52. That's puting it mildly.

Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

[Blue_true]

63. Of course you were likely grinning from ear to ear as he stumbled. But it is what it is,

may the best person ultimately win the nomination.

[R B Garr]

24. Thank you. I wish I had seen this thread earlier. nt

[treestar]

28. He thought of her as a little girl

As directed

[Mike Nelson]

29. I live in California...

... and I vote for Kamala. I had no idea she was Black... and I honestly don't care. Her ethnic group was not played up much leading to her election. I didn't watch or read everything... I knew I was voting for Kamala Harris early on... It was only when she began running for President that most of us heard about her ethnic background. That was when it was stated enough to be a part of her "story" - and I have no problem with it...

Your post made me think of two other issues. Biden meant "first" and misspoke. He does that a lot... and always has... but he looked lost. We all misspeak, and laugh it off... he has to laugh, shrug or something. He shouldn't look lost.

The other thing is our ethnic group. Kamala was indeterminate, to me (which is a plus), and can call herself a couple of things... President Obama is 50/50 but IDs as Black. He's White too... I guess, eventually, we're all going to be mixed and this will all look silly.

[Act_of_Reparation]

31. Because Joe Biden would never, ever make an incorrect statement.

The man trips over his tongue at least three times a week, guys. And he's been doing it for as long as I can remember. Your window to pass this shit off as a subtle genius closed decades ago.

[LongtimeAZDem]

32. She identified as Indian-American when he swore her in, so take it up with her

[Act_of_Reparation]

34. This might come as a huge fucking surprise...

...but people can identify as more than one thing.

[LongtimeAZDem]

35. But he had every reason to believe that is how she identified herself, so you have no

reason to trash him for it.

If you want to get into the petty crap, Biden had more reason to think of Harris as an Indian-American than Warren had to claim herself as an American Indian.

[Act_of_Reparation]

36. He had every reason to believe she identified as Indian.

He had no reason to believe she didn't identify as anything else, especially when she's been discussing race at these debates since fucking June. Was he not paying the fuck attention?

[tonedevil]

46. You are saying the reason...

Biden said that Moseley Braun was the only African-American Woman elected to the US Senate is because he thought Harris was Indian-American? Why do you suppose he hasn't come out and said that? If your "theory" were at all accurate wouldn't he have said that when confronted on stage instead of "I said first"?

[R B Garr]

53. You admitted you could not hear that he said CMB

“had” been the only female AA elected, not has been, so why are you pushing your faux gaffe kerfuffle? He was being ridiculed and laughed at when he supposedly corrected himself to say “first” and looked like he was trying to be polite about it is all.

He was trying to honor CMB’s status, which was totally correct. It had absolutely zero to do with Harris. Harris wasn’t a Senator during the time and she wasn’t his supporter. She is campaigning against him.

Now we see the film of him swearing Harris in as Indian-American just two short years ago. Did she forget that?? Now she’s on the talk shows pushing her public ridicule of him, so I hope this Indian-American swearing in ceremony gets equal air time.

[tonedevil]

54. None of that makes sense.

Biden says that he has the support of Carol Moseley Braun, who he describes as the only African-American Woman elected to the US Senate. Booker and Harris take strong exception since there are now two African-American Women elected to the US Senate. Biden snaps back that he said first, but he had said only.
The horse shit about Harris being Indian-American as if that makes her not Black, which is synonymous with African-American in the US at this point, is offensive. The idea that he made the misstatement because he thought Harris Indian-American is disproven by Biden's own words.
You should get a new bag because you are serving some weak tea.

[R B Garr]

55. You keep trying to change what Biden said so you can push your own agenda with this.

You previously asked for help in identifying when Biden said CMB "had" been the only AA senator elected, which was totally correct. I'll find the link to that thread from a couple days ago. But you want to keep changing it to pretend that Biden said she was the only AA who "has" been elected so that you can continue with this charade. Talk about "weak tea" and not making sense. You have posted your misunderstanding of what he said many times with no attempt to correct yourself.

"his own words" -- another forced talking point. It looked to me like he was trying to understand what the whole damm kerfuffle was about and was just being polite. I don't buy your interpretation of events at all, so you don't get to present your misinterpretation as more important than what others clearly saw.

Harris self-identified as Indian-American when she was sworn in, and Biden was there swearing her in. If she wanted to be clearly identified as AA, then why did she chose her Indian-American heritage as her identify just two short years ago. She can identify however she choses, but then don't ridicule others who saw you preferred your Indian-American heritage just two short years ago.

[tonedevil]

56. Doesn't matter if it was had or has...

he was talking about the present,. He was talking about having an endorsement from Moseley Braun and three former chairs of the Black Caucus. He corrected himself so we can know that he thought he said the first, but if you listen to his words he said only.
All the different defenses of Biden on this wind up wildly contradictory. If he meant to say that there was a time that Moseley Braun was the only African-American Woman elected to the US Senate then why correct it from only to the first? If he was thinking of Harris as an Indian-American Senator then there would be only one African-American Woman elected to the Senate why would he correct it to the first? He would have been correct to say that she was the only one and there would be no reason to offer a correction.
I don't expect you to understand what I'm saying or agree with me I just want to lay out the twisted logic you are offering in explanation for why Biden was never wrong.

[R B Garr]

57. Look at you dismissing what he actually said to inject your own biased interpretations

Thanks also confirming that this is just to perpetuate a lot of petty high drama "why Biden was never wrong". It appears you are the one perpetuating the agenda that "Biden is always wrong". "doesn't matter if it was had or has" LOL, yes it does matter. You don't get to change it. So the "defense" is just stating the obvious--what Biden actually said, and now how Harris chose to swear in as Indian-American.

This is why these phony gaffe kerfuffles are so ridiculous at this point. If you have to change what he said to perpetuate the anti-Biden drama, then it's obvious the gaffe angle is not sticking. When you have to spend two days changing his words so you can make him wrong, then obviously there wasn't much there to begin with.

It's sad that Harris took this opportunity to diminish CMB with this sidebar into her mixed ethnicity. She has made race a huge priority in her campaign, so it would seem the most gracious and prudent thing would be to realize that someone who swore her in as Indian-American just two short years ago would remember that. I voted for Kamala, and her ethnicity was never anything I even contemplated nor would it matter. She shouldn't ridicule someone who swore her in as Indian-American.

[tonedevil]

58. I have neither added nor subtracted...

from what Biden said.
"I have more people supporting me in the black community that have announced for me because they know me. They know who I am. Three former chairs of the black caucus, the only African American woman who has ever been elected to the United States Senate,"
This is the best transcript I can find if you change has to had he is still talking about who is endorsing him now. In the now there have been two African-American Women elected to the US Senate.
How does Harris Indian heritage work into this? Did Biden think Moseley Braun was the only African-American Woman elected to the US Senate because he thought of Harris as Indian-American? I look forward to more word salad from you though it could use a bit more dressing.

[R B Garr]

59. The video of Biden speaking doesn't match your "transcript".

The video shows him saying "had" and then a bunch of commotion from Cory and Kamala as they ridiculed him. You said you had problems hearing what he said, but it's clear that he didn't say "has" as you have changed it to so you can keep this gaffe kerfuffle going. If you go to these lengths to change his word and then double down on it by saying you can't hear the word on the video, that is why these silly gaffe brouhahas are not really sinking in.

So what if he reacts while being mocked and laughed at. I wonder if Kamala would appreciate being mocked and ridiculed if someone showed her the readily available video of her being sworn in as an Indian-American. Of course, no one would or should stoop to that level, and neither should she.

Obviously he would not be talking about Kamala endorsing him. She is a direct competitor in the same race.

The word salad is all yours as you try and change what Biden said.

"This is the best transcript I can find".....LOL

[R B Garr]

60. Here's the video since you changed the transcript. 12 seconds in.

And talk about word salad -- look at all the word salad about past/present tense as if he is arbitrarily restricted about what parts of his past he can talk about just to find petty things to diss him over. It's just not credible anymore. Sure, you can get people to laugh at him during a debate. But both Cory and Harris are not getting traction in the polls, so there are obviously consequences to their choices.

[tonedevil]

61. I don't want you to think...

I have abandoned this conversation, but I do have a bit of an emergency with my mother. I will return I assure you.

[R B Garr]

62. This "conversation" is pretty much your insistence that you want to change Biden's

words so you can continue pushing an obvious desire to perpetuate the anti-Biden narratives. It's been 3 days now, but you refuse to acknowledge what he actually said. There is no reason to keep typing your denials.

Sure, Kamala got some laughs, but she just invites scrutiny and that hasn't helped her in the polls except for a short bounce.

When you have to browbeat people into accepting your revised versions of what Biden said, then it's probably best to move on. This is exactly why these gaffe kerfuffles have gotten out of hand. Most of this is intellectually dishonest at this point, and it's very noticeable.

[tonedevil]

64. I'm not the one who has two different narratives...

as to what happened in that moment. Was Biden waxing nostalgic, as he is want to do, about when he was in the Senate and no other African-American Women except for Moseley Braun had been elected to the Senate? Or, was he unaware that Harris was an African-American Woman since when she was inaugurated she was heralded as the first Indian-American Woman elected to the Senate? And, if either of those scenarios is true how come when Biden was confronted over his use of the word only(you do agree Biden said she was the only don't you) he exclaimed he had said the first?

[R B Garr]

65. You have admitted to refusing to acknowledge

what he said. You changed his words to fit your narratives. You also fail to acknowledge that he just answered something to be polite. I didn’t see him change anything of substance. He was being polite in the moment. I’ve answered that over and over. This is the 4th day. Enough.

This is the 4th day of you pushing these narratives, all tied to the fact that you changed a word he said to fit your purposes. That’s why these gaffe kerfuffles are not gaining traction. When you continue to browbeat people after it’s been shown you changed his words, then obviously the “gaffe” was not all that.

I’ve already said this and it’s obvious. He was honoring CMB. It’s a shame Harris sullied that moment with her misunderstanding. Obama seemed to understood Joe. Ill stick with Obama’s judgment of Joe.

Time to move on now. It’s been 4 days. Enough of this.

[tonedevil]

68. I don't know where you see...

me admitting to your fevered accusations, but rest assured I do not. Saying Carol Moseley Braun is the only African-American Woman elected to the US Senate and then saying that you said she was first is a misstatement and an inadvertent correction. That you can't admit there was a misstatement at all is delusional. You are providing excuses beyond what Biden himself has offered and you are offering up contradictory ones to boot.
It most definitely is time to move on, but I'm sure that moving is not going to be with you and I agreeing in the least. You will not get to say I'm wrong and have me leave it hanging. Do with that as you will.

[R B Garr]

69. You refuse to acknowledge what he said. You chamged

what he said. I couldn’t read much past your first falsehood. He never said she “is” the only one elected. You can’t acknowledge he says “had” been elected and you changed it to “has” and now “is”.

LOL

[tonedevil]

71. Read as much or as little...

as you like you are the one proposing ridiculous explanations for something Biden himself explained when he replied saying he had said first.

[R B Garr]

77. You keep changing Biden's words to fit your gaffe

kerfuffle. I’m not reading anything except your attempts to do that. No need to read your revised “transcripts” when the video of him speaking is readily available.

I didn’t hear Biden correct himself. I heard him being ridiculed and he added to what he said. He added a polite response. Harris misheard what he said and ridiculed. You don’t get to force your distractions from what others heard because you want to perpetuate a vapid gaffe kerfuffle.

[tonedevil]

79. His addition was the opposite...

of what he said in the first place. That's why I call it a correction. Although it isn't really a correction because that's what he thought he said originally. It was an inadvertent correction. It happens to old people all the time, but it isn't a desirable trait in a President.

[R B Garr]

82. Actually it was Kamala who didn't hear him the first

time, and it was a correct honor for CMB, which what was what he was doing —honoring her place in history. A wonderful statement for a great accomplishment. I heard him, and a thread started by other listeners detailed what he said and that she didn’t hear it.

CMB “had” been the only female elected senator means she is no longer the only. It was right there in what he said. You were linked to his own words on tape but you’ve spent 5 days changing what he said so you can put him down and pretend some huge gaffe occurred so you can ridicule him just like Kamala ridiculed him.

The mistake was Kamala’s for not hearing what he actually said.

If you have to work this hard to create a gaffe kerfuffle, there is a word for that.

[tonedevil]

85. Not quite my take...

I'll start with the sentence, since you think had/has changes the sentence let's go with your preferred had. If we look at the sentence "Three former chairs of the black caucus, the only African American woman who had ever been elected to the United States Senate" and consider what Biden may have meant when he said "only" there are two possibilities. Either Biden meant to say a different word and accidentally said only or he meant to say only and had a reason for disregarding Harris being an African-American Woman elected to the US Senate as well.
If you believe he meant to say a different word then the meaning of the sentence is dependent on that word, but his saying "only" is a mistake. If you believe that he said "only" on purpose and was accurate in doing so you have to explain why Harris doesn't count. From this and at least one other thread on this board I see a couple of theories being proffered. One is that Biden was hearkening back to a time before Harris was elected when Moseley Braun was the only. The theory from this posting is that he wasn't aware that Harris is an African-American Woman because he only knows her as an Indian-American Woman. While these two possibilities seem to be an either/or situation to me you have argued that both are true and the either one or both are the reason that Biden said Moseley Braun was the "only".
Of course if you are arguing that Biden meant to say "only" you are arguing against the man himself. When he was confronted with the existence of Harris and her status as an African-American Woman elected to the US Senate he replied that he had said First. if we look at the sentence when we change the word he thought he had said it looks like: "Three former chairs of the black caucus, the first African American woman who had ever been elected to the United States Senate" That precludes the idea that he was trying to invoke days of old and the idea that he didn't know Harris was African-American because he thought she was Indian-American.

[R B Garr]

86. LOL, now you acknowledge the word he actually said

and mangled some more. Since you clearly lost in your attempts to pretend Biden said

“has been elected”
“is elected”

Now you take “had been elected” to not mean what it means. “Had been elected” means what it means and at that time, which Kamala clearly wasn’t a part of. CMB was being honored as the first who “had been elected”. It had nothing to do with Kamala.

Kamala didn’t hear what he said and proceeded with Cory to inject herself into his honor of CMB. It was a rude and disrespectful moment to CMB and to Biden.

[tonedevil]

87. She heard exactly what he said...

and when she clapped back he said "I said first". I don't care if he said had or has it makes no difference to what Biden was trying to say and if you can't see that him saying "I said first" means he didn't mean to say only and so he wasn't trying to talk about a time when Harris wasn't elected nor was he overlooking her as an African-American because he thought her to be Indian-American you are either being obtuse or delusional. Enjoy your had, but do try to explain "I said first" so far you haven't even tried.

[R B Garr]

89. You've spent 5 days refusing to acknowledge Biden's

actual words that have been linked on video, so your obsessive gaffe manifestos are hardly credible.

He clarified what he said, which was clear to me. The only one who had been elected means she was the first. He was honoring her place in history and was rudely interrupted by someone who didn’t hear him correctly.

[tonedevil]

90. No...

the only one who had been elected is not the same as saying she was the first if there is a second. He did not clarify what he said he said a different word that changed the meaning of what he had said. He wasn't honoring anyone's place in history he was listing endorsements he has gotten from Black People.
There is a very simple explanation for what happened, Biden said only when he meant to say first. Then there is a convoluted explanation where he was somehow referring to a time before Harris was elected to the Senate and besides she isn't even African-American she is Indian-American. I would suggest you apply Occam's Razor to this and see what makes the most sense.

[R B Garr]

91. you've spent 5 days denying what Biden actually

said to spin instead, so these pontifications are hardly credible.

[tonedevil]

93. You think you are the arbitrator of credible?

I don't, you don't even know the difference between only and first.

[R B Garr]

94. You refused to acknowledge Biden's own words.

You fabricated what he said even when provided video links. Your own actions speak to that lack of credibility. The video link was provided days ago.

[tonedevil]

95. I think you have made this accusation...

a few times already. It is how you duck out of not being able to explain Biden's inadvertent correction from only to first. When it comes to lacking credibility you take the not-at-all credible cake.

[R B Garr]

97. You refused to acknowledge what he actually said, which

makes your other concerns lacking.

[tonedevil]

98. I get it...

you think you have really made a strong point with had and has. You keep trying to spin that into Biden was honoring Moseley Braun's place in history and in that history she had been the only African-American Woman elected to the US Senate. The problem with that is nothing else in what he says is consistent with that and he corrected himself when confronted. Saying he was speaking historically is obviously not accurate since he is talking about people who have endorsed him now not 20 years ago. Your weak case is further subverted by you bringing in the notion that Biden wasn't counting Harris in with African-American's because he thinks of her as an Indian-American.
I'm quite content with you thinking me lacking in any way, you haven't really demonstrated any skill in critical thinking.

[R B Garr]

99. You refused to acknowledge what Biden said. Your spin

shows that you refuse to acknowledge what is being said, so your spin is obviously not credible. Fabricating what Biden said for 5 days speaks to what you are doing.

[tonedevil]

100. I'm going to award you points for consistency...

you have not been able to credibly demonstrate that Biden was speaking historically about Moseley Braun so it would be accurate for him to say she was the only African-American Woman elected to the US Senate. You have not been able to offer an explanation as to why if the use of the word only was on purpose and accurate for Biden to say he didn't say that himself in the moment and instead he said he had used the word first. You have not provided any reason to believe that Biden thought of Harris as Indian-American so his overlooking her being an African-American Woman was understandable yet you have brought it up as yet another plausible explanation in the long line of excuses you have proffered.
In the moment Biden revealed what he meant to say and if he had actually said first the first time there would have been no issue. If he had simply said he meant to say first and acknowledged that Booker and Harris were understandably taken aback by the misstatement again no issue. He did get defensive and you have taken that defensiveness to it's deepest darkest conclusion.

[R B Garr]

101. You refused to acknowledge Biden's own words, so your fabrications aren't credible.

He didn't say what your current misdirection/fabrication is trying to force. Of course he would be talking historically of her place in history because it is what it is. LOL, no "proof" is necessary... Not much critical thinking is necessary when you actually hear what someone is saying instead of trying to change it to create a vapid non-gaffe kerfuffle.

You weren't able to maintain your distractions with denying what Biden actually said, now you are trying to pretend that what he said doesn't make sense. I'm so glad I understood what Biden said the first time and don't need so much help with it, lol.

Thanks for proving again how completely fabricated, vapid and petty these non-gaffe kerfuffles are.

[tonedevil]

102. What he said makes sense...

what you say he said does not. It does not matter if he said:

"I have more people supporting me in the black community that have announced for me because they know me. They know who I am. Three former chairs of the black caucus, the only African American woman who has ever been elected to the United States Senate,"

Or he said:

"I have more people supporting me in the black community that have announced for me because they know me. They know who I am. Three former chairs of the black caucus, the only African American woman who had ever been elected to the United States Senate,"

He is not talking about anybody's place in history. He is talking about people who are currently supporting and endorsing him right now not at sometime before Harris was elected as the second African-American Woman to the US Senate and the first Indian-American Woman. If he meant to say "only" and felt it was accurate he wouldn't have left it to rabid bloggers to make that case. When he was confronted by Booker and Harris he would have said that he was talking about a time before Harris was elected not "I said first". You never address that correction, why is that?

[R B Garr]

103. Now you changed his word again. He said "HAD ever been elected"

He was talking about CMB's past, obviously, as a way to talk about her accomplishments and who she was. He was honoring her. We already covered this days ago.

Now you are again changing his words back to "has ever been elected..." That's not what he said.

Now you say what he said makes sense even though you have said for 5 days that what he said was a yuuuge gaffe and you attributed it to him being an "old" person....

LOL, I'm so glad I understood him the first time and don't need this much help.

I didn't hear him correcting himself. I heard him being ridiculed and politely truncating his words before he got ripped again and he wanted to get something in between the rude derision. It was Kamala's mistake in not hearing him. Of course she is free to ridicule the first African American president's VP. Have at it. It hasn't gotten her very far yet.

[R B Garr]

104. 12 seconds in: "who'd ever been elected" Fyi, that means "who had"

[tonedevil]

105. Now you are changing it to who'd LOL...

Try listening a little longer say starting at 20 seconds. Biden very clearly says "I said first, I said the first African-American". That is Biden thinking he is reinterating what he said, but he didn't say the word first the first time he said only, exactly as I have maintained all along.

[R B Garr]

106. LOL, it's on the tape, so you can hear it for yourself. It isn't "who has" as you changed

it back to. You changed it for a short time to "had" and now changed it back again. At least you've confirmed how petty these so-called gaffe kerfuffles are when you have to switch words to continue the charade.

I didn't hear him correct himself. I heard exactly how I described and what he said was right to begin with.

I'm so glad I understood him the first time and don't need this much help.

[tonedevil]

107. Are you saying that he did not say...

I said first, I said first African-American starting at about the 20 second mark?

[R B Garr]

108. He described her as the first. It was clear to me. Then he was rudely interrupted.

but you pretend you need proof of her history or it's too confusing.

[tonedevil]

109. Proof of whose history?

Carol Moseley Braun's? I know her history and I know her importance. Biden is rightfully proud of her endorsing him. I hope that is cleared up.
Would you say that this is an accurate transcription of Biden's words?

"I have more people supporting me in the black community that have announced for me because they know me. They know who I am. Three former chairs of the black caucus, the only African American woman who'd ever been elected to the United States Senate,"

If not would you correct it until you believe it is? I'm curious if we can come to agreement on anything.

[R B Garr]

110. You don't need to type his words. You've changed them so many times anyway.

He's on tape. Nothing to agree on if changing spoken words for days to fit a fake gaffe kerfuffle is the obvious goal. At least we see now how much bunk there is to these "gaffe" outrages. And you've already described your personal vendetta in correcting me, so proving you're not even going by his own words is proof that the gaffe hunting is intellectually dishonest. Time to move on. The gaffe outrage bombed.

[tonedevil]

111. If you can't read it I understand...

feel free to move on as you have said you are doing several times already. I was trying to dial back the hostility, but I see you don't have another setting.

[R B Garr]

112. I can read how you changed his words, which is the "it"

you are referring to. You don’t have to retype your umpteenth version of Biden’s words to dial back hostility.

[tonedevil]

113. Whatever...

I'm not the one pretending Biden didn't change only to first while coming up with wild tales of historic references and unknown ethnic identities.

[R B Garr]

114. CMB is not a "wild tale", and Biden was talking about her

history which is why it had zero to do with Kamala. It was just a brief comment to show who she was, but you can’t seem to handle that and want to pretend it was a huge phony gaffe.

Your views are not reliable since you keep changing his words. Move on, it’s been 6 days. You don’t get to correct anyone since there is nothing to correct. Move on.

[tonedevil]

115. That is the most delusional...

interpretation of what Biden said and you seem to have abandoned the theory made famous in this very OP. You remember when you were speculating that Biden thought of Harris as Indian-American so he didn't think there was more than one African-American Woman in the Senate? Any way don't you need to be moving along? You keep saying you do.

[R B Garr]

116. LOL, read the thread title. This is not the only thread

you have completely ignored to nurture your own delusional phony gaffe kerfuffle. You completely ignore Biden’s words to nurture your musings about phony gaffes you are very invested in. You change Biden’s words back and forth to perpetuate this kerfuffle. You are the last person to think you can correct people about what Biden said when you are unwilling or unable to figure it out to begin with by evidence of you changing his words.

At least now we see these gaffe kerfuffles are mostly about personal vendettas as a vehicle to insult people. Your kerfuffle failed. Move on.

[tonedevil]

118. I read the thread title...

I think it goes a little something like this:

Maybe Biden thought of Harris as the first Indian-American Senator?

In other words a post trying out the painfully ridiculous theory that Biden was accurately referring to Moseley Braun as the only African-American Woman elected to the US Senate because Harris is Indian-American. Apparently if you are dim enough to think this is a significant possibility you can entertain it while simultaneously believing that Biden meant to say Moseley Braun was the "only" because he was waxing nostalgic so was referring to a time in history when Harris hadn't been elected to the Senate. If I were going to try to deny that Biden obviously said "only", but meant to say "first" I would stick to one story.
Haven't you been saying it was time to move on for a couple of days now? Is it really going to happen or do you just say that like some pepole say have a nice day?

[R B Garr]

120. You can't even bring yourself to acknowledge Biden's

own words so you keep changing them. You attribute someone else’s thread to me just like you change Biden’s words to fit your notions, all of which are to supposedly prove a huge gaffe that just turns out to be you not understanding what Biden was saying or willfully mischaracterizing it so you can

Now you are misrepresenting this thread as if it had anything to do with Biden describing CMB instead of a factual duplicity about Harris and her interrupting Biden because she didn’t hear what he said about the first elected senator. I’m glad I heard him the first time so I don’t need all this help.

Move on.

[tonedevil]

121. I haven't attributed the thread to you...

I've merely acknowledged your role as someone who jumped on the bandwagon, try to keep up. I like how you have adopted a salutation for our tete-a-tete I'll do so as well. Where you say move on I will say fly high, I think it is more inspirational.

Fly high.

[R B Garr]

124. Keeping up With you changing Biden's words to continue

your fabrications about what you pretend he said instead of his actual words. At least you’ve proven how phony these gaffe kerfuffles are. When you have to spend 6 days changing what someone actually said to fit your musings, then your other observations are not credible.

Now you are so impressed with your two new words as if it matters. 6 days is enough.

[tonedevil]

125. I'm disapointed...

you forgot your salutation.

Fly high.

[R B Garr]

126. 6 days, and now you're on a new diversion. At least

we see how meaningless these so-called gaffes are.

[tonedevil]

127. What are you nattering on about?

Did you think you had made a substantial post that merited a serious reply on my part? All I saw was you huffing and puffing about how many days it has been since this thread started and how I'm not credible to someone who's opinion I find laughable. If you did something else with your post let me know I will address it with the seriousness it deserves.

[R B Garr]

128. Thanks for more proof that these so-called Biden gaffes

aren’t anything to be taken seriously. You previously said it’s about a vendetta and correcting people. You are last person to be correcting people. Changing words and browbeating people to pretend a gaffe is so huge has nothing to do with Biden.

[tonedevil]

129. For someone concerned about words being changed...

you are sure wreckless in saying that I have said or written anything about a vendetta. Perhaps you would like to point out where I said this is about a vendetta, or perhaps you are just spouting to spout.

Fly high.

[R B Garr]

130. More distraction. But typical of your diversions which

you attribute to everyone but yourself. No reason to harass people who heard what Biden said the first time.

What a joke.

[R B Garr]

134. It's obvious you've lost and now are diverting into another distraction.

You lost because you've spent an entire week changing Biden's words to fit your yuuuuge phony gaffe kerfuffle, but there is no denying the video that proves you wrong.

I realize you demand only certain words be used in a proper tense or they lose all meaning to you. You can start searching where you like to correct people. Unless you changed that, too, like you've changed Biden's words for a week now.

[R B Garr]

138. LOL, I wasn't talking about when this thread was started, obviously,

This is more of the mangling to make things deceptive, much as was done with the portrayals of Biden by changing his words.

I specifically have said that the posts are about your actions of changing Biden's words and how long that had been going on. I could go through each of your posts like this, but I phone type on the go and really can't devote that much time to these diversions.

[R B Garr]

66. It's also not a gaffe to remember you swore someone

in as an Indian-American two short years ago. Enough of this. It’s been 4 days of this desperate anti-Biden nonsense at this point. Thanks.

[tonedevil]

67. Not only is it not a gaffe...

it has nothing to do with Biden, Harris, and the November debate. Biden has never offered the excuse/explanation that he said only about Moseley Braun being an African-American Woman Senator because he thought of her as Indian-American. That is something made up to muddy the water around Biden's obvious misstatement. It isn't a gaffe to have your rabid supporters making shit up on political message boards.

[R B Garr]

70. You keep changing Biden's words so you are the one looking

“rabid”. It’s pretty obvious what the motivation is to disregard what Biden actually said.

Of course Kamala’s Indian-American heritage is important since she chose to he sworn in that way. You sound very angry that this is detracting from her attack on Biden.

[tonedevil]

72. Harris Indian-American heritage...

is of importance, but there is no chance it had anything to do with Biden calling Moseley Braun the only African-American Woman elected to the US Senate.
I am amused by your projecting anger on me. The best part is I sound angry since one thing you certainly have not done in any of this is hear what I sound like.
Cheers

[R B Garr]

75. You keep changing what Biden said. Over several threads

you continue changing a word or words which changes what he said.

LOL, now you are mangling it more by a further falsehood, “the only one”. You omitted a couple words now.

You should read the threads you are responding to. Watch the video of Biden I posted two days ago. No need to change what he says. There is a word for that.

You seem very angry that your gaffe kerfuffle has been shot down.

[tonedevil]

80. I'm sure anyone correcting you...

seems angry it's more exasperation.

[R B Garr]

83. I have nothing to do with Biden's words. What he said is

on tape, you’ve been linked to his words but you keep changing them to create something that wasn’t there.

At least we are seeing what your reasoning is for spending 5 days altering Biden’s words — a personal vendetta about “correcting” me. Sickening, but this is why these little gaffe kerfuffles are intellectually dishonest for the most part anymore. Nothing to correct because I heard what he said and I don’t need to be bullied into buying your revisions.

[tonedevil]

88. LOL /nt

[StarfishSaver]

117. LOL

All you can do is try, right?

[tonedevil]

119. Thanks...

it's kind of crazy.

[R B Garr]

136. What is crazy is to change Biden's words.

That's been going on for a week.

[R B Garr]

137. LOL. I'm just glad that Biden's actual words were finally acknowledged rather

than the alterations performed over a week's time.

[R B Garr]

135. That's actually hilarious at this point since you are the one who has been making stuff

up. You've changed Biden's words for a week now-- over another thread, as well. You change them back and forth with narrative that doesn't match what he actually said.

I have an opinion about what he said and I formed it by watching him be attacked and ridiculed. But you alter his words to fit a narrative which you then further mangle with tangents into nonsensical hostilities and other obvious desires to perpetuate a phony gaffe kerfuffle.

[R B Garr]

133. This is about you changing Biden's words. An opinion doesn't involve

changing words to fit your chosen narrative. An opinion is an opinion.

You've already shown you alter words and you demand that only words that you would choose can be used in a certain order for them to make sense to you, so I won't waste time knowing what I've seen with your alterations.

[Locrian]

84. I'm actually really worried about him....

He doesn't look good, and there are too many "gaffs" and stumbles to be dismissed.

[IronLionZion]

33. Because mixed race people have to pick one?

I'm Indian-American and many of us were royally pissed that Indian-American newspapers didn't recognize her Indian heritage earlier in her career because of racism against her Jamaican heritage. Years ago she was considered too black to be Indian, and that's wrong.

She is recognized as the first Indian-American US Senator and second Black female US Senator.

A person can forget things and make mistakes in debates. There's no need to double down on denying a person's race to defend an honest mistake.

[Act_of_Reparation]

38. I guess so.

Meanwhile, I could hold simultaneous membership to the German American Club and the Ancient Order of Hibernians. White privilege sure is convenient.

[StarfishSaver]

42. Yes

Because white people need to know exactly what we are so they know what box to relegate us to.

Not to mention that hyphenated Americans get all kinds of special privileges that white people don't get, which is bad enough, but anyone who claims more than one hyphenated identity is really taking advantage of an already unfair system and taking something away from white people. That's wrong.

She needs to pick one and stick with it. If she doesn't, someone will pick it for her and tell her to stay put.

[brooklynite]

37. Why do people feel the need to excuse what he said?

And convincing people here won't change the opinion of people in the real world.

[IronLionZion]

39. Some candidates' supporters will just keep punching at it, punching at it, punching at it

And refuse to admit he made an honest mistake or simply forgot. He does it all the time, and his supporters always bend logic into N-dimensional pretzels to excuse it as some sort of stable genius level thinking that flies above our heads.

[progressoid]

92. Aaaawkward

[IronLionZion]

96. Super Smooth

Every single time

[StarfishSaver]

40. Or maybe he just misspoke

Why is it so hard for some of Biden's supporters to just admit he's not perfect and occasionally makes mistakes?

[LongtimeAZDem]

41. And maybe not; why is it so hard for some of Biden's opponents to cut him some slack?

Same answer

[StarfishSaver]

43. And you prove my point

Thank you.

[SidDithers]

44. Yeah, sure. Go with that...

Sid

[treestar]

47. He'd been encouraged to think of her as a little girl

This is dumb. He forgot about her for a minute. Why is she always playing victim to him? Does she think that's a winning strategy? It is not. She has turned out to be a real dud.

[IronLionZion]

48. Who was the third person to walk on the moon?

Neil Armstrong and Buzz Aldrin are locked into more people's memories than Pete Conrad and Alan Bean.

The first of something makes more headlines. There are fewer events celebrating the second of something.

Did we see record voter turnout and then record inauguration turnout for Barack Obama's election as the 44th white president and 44th male president? Why not?

[Kaleva]

49. I find it odd that there's been a few threads about this.

He misspoke, no big deal and we move on. I personally see no reason to harp on him for it or spend time trying to explain it away.

[VarryOn]

76. I'm with you on this...

So, what? He messed up. People shouldn’t be so hyper-sensitive on such matters.

[Recursion]

51. I don't understand. She's the first Indian American Senator, isn't she?

She's not the first African American Senator. I've been off the grid for a few days so I'm not sure what this referred to.

[IronLionZion]

78. Debate video clip

[Recursion]

81. Yikes

Thanks!

[Autumn]

122. "The only Bla.. African American woman that had ever been elected to the U S Senate" ?

[IronLionZion]

123. Biden doesn't make mistakes

it's the rest of us who are sorely mistaken. Harris is an Indian surname. Black Jamaicans are native to Jamaica and don't have their ancestral origins in the slave trade from Africa. And other logical pretzels put forth by supporters who can't admit their candidate misspeaks. We need lots more threads like this to prove this basic truth.

He probably meant "first" instead of "only" but there is no reasoning with his unreasonable supporters on DU.

[Cuthbert Allgood]

74. This is gross. Just admit he made a mistake.

It's OK. It happens.

[IronLionZion]

131. Kamala Harris & Mindy Kaling Cook Masala Dosa

I'm not tired of beating this dead horse