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Joe Biden did not state that Marijuana is a gateway drug (Original Post) Gothmog Nov 2019 OP
Technically, that's a follow up statement, not his original statement in full context. greyl Nov 2019 #1
I believe Joe said during the debate ritapria Nov 2019 #2
Here is Biden's official stance on marijuana Thekaspervote Nov 2019 #3
none of that lets people in public housing or taking student loans off the hook questionseverything Nov 2019 #14
Thank you, Goth! Cha Nov 2019 #4
That idea would have been kind,... JoeOtterbein Nov 2019 #5
He said it may be a gateway drug bluedovepdx Nov 2019 #6
Did you read the post??? Thekaspervote Nov 2019 #8
Yes bluedovepdx Nov 2019 #10
It is not his stance... you're trying to make it out to be something it isn't!! Thekaspervote Nov 2019 #16
No bluedovepdx Nov 2019 #17
Did you listen to his actual words? Hassin Bin Sober Nov 2019 #11
This is troubling for Bernie. LanternWaste Nov 2019 #20
Yes, he said there needed to be more research about WHETHER it was a gateway drug pnwmom Nov 2019 #18
He might as well have called for more research about whether human activity affects climate change. thesquanderer Nov 2019 #19
Message auto-removed Name removed Nov 2019 #22
Thx Gothmog... it's all right there... but just can't please everyone Thekaspervote Nov 2019 #7
it is a gateway drug for some, a first step towards harder drugs, to deny that is irresponsible nt msongs Nov 2019 #9
You misuse the term Gateway drug Buzz cook Nov 2019 #12
gateway drug has very little true meaning stopdiggin Nov 2019 #15
Well, it's technically true that he didn't say it *is* a gateway drug caraher Nov 2019 #13
FDA warns 15 companies for illegally selling....cannabidiol as agency details safety concerns Gothmog Nov 2019 #21
He has in the past. And he is currently not very clear about this issue. aikoaiko Nov 2019 #23
 

greyl

(22,990 posts)
1. Technically, that's a follow up statement, not his original statement in full context.
Tue Nov 26, 2019, 01:06 AM
Nov 2019

I'm sure someone can post the full video from Vegas.

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ritapria

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2. I believe Joe said during the debate
Tue Nov 26, 2019, 01:23 AM
Nov 2019

He favored research to determine whether cannabis was a gateway drug … I predict Cory Booker will not be Biden's pick for VP

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Thekaspervote

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3. Here is Biden's official stance on marijuana
Tue Nov 26, 2019, 01:24 AM
Nov 2019

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questionseverything

(9,645 posts)
14. none of that lets people in public housing or taking student loans off the hook
Tue Nov 26, 2019, 02:57 AM
Nov 2019

some states will still use it to keep people off food stamps

people will still go the jail over growing a weed for their pain

he really needs to listen to booker on this

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Cha

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4. Thank you, Goth!
Tue Nov 26, 2019, 01:31 AM
Nov 2019
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JoeOtterbein

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5. That idea would have been kind,...
Tue Nov 26, 2019, 01:31 AM
Nov 2019

...if Joe said it in the 90's!

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bluedovepdx

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6. He said it may be a gateway drug
Tue Nov 26, 2019, 01:32 AM
Nov 2019
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Thekaspervote

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8. Did you read the post???
Tue Nov 26, 2019, 01:34 AM
Nov 2019
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bluedovepdx

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10. Yes
Tue Nov 26, 2019, 01:42 AM
Nov 2019

Biden didn't say it isn't a gateway drug. He said it requires more study. His position is not legalization (for recreational use) at the federal level. Other candidates are for legalization. The distinction matters. Sorry if that is inconvenient for you.

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Thekaspervote

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16. It is not his stance... you're trying to make it out to be something it isn't!!
Tue Nov 26, 2019, 03:23 AM
Nov 2019

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bluedovepdx

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17. No
Tue Nov 26, 2019, 03:47 AM
Nov 2019

I am not. As was previously posted, did you watch the video, listen to his words? Nothing I stated was inaccurate. Biden is not for the legalization of recreational marijuana at the federal level and that has consequences. He said it will be a civil penalty. Rather than you reposting that graphic tell me where I'm incorrect based on his words. The distinction matters in the realm of employment status and other issues. He left the door open to him thinking it's a gateway drug. His words are his words.

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Hassin Bin Sober

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11. Did you listen to his actual words?
Tue Nov 26, 2019, 01:49 AM
Nov 2019
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LanternWaste

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20. This is troubling for Bernie.
Tue Nov 26, 2019, 03:14 PM
Nov 2019
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pnwmom

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18. Yes, he said there needed to be more research about WHETHER it was a gateway drug
Tue Nov 26, 2019, 05:03 AM
Nov 2019

before it was legalized at the Federal level. That means he is leaving open the possibility that it is a gateway drug.

However, he also has called for decriminalization, and that's a good first step.

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thesquanderer

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19. He might as well have called for more research about whether human activity affects climate change.
Tue Nov 26, 2019, 10:57 AM
Nov 2019

On this side of the aisle, we are supposed to be past these debates. Stopdiggin's analysis of the meaning of "gateway drug" (post #15) is spot on.

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Thekaspervote

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7. Thx Gothmog... it's all right there... but just can't please everyone
Tue Nov 26, 2019, 01:33 AM
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msongs

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9. it is a gateway drug for some, a first step towards harder drugs, to deny that is irresponsible nt
Tue Nov 26, 2019, 01:41 AM
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Buzz cook

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12. You misuse the term Gateway drug
Tue Nov 26, 2019, 02:08 AM
Nov 2019

The term means that if a person uses marijuana they will automatically use other drugs. It does not mean that some very small part of the group that uses marijuana will possibly use other drugs.

The evidence indicates that marijuana in and of itself does not lead to the use of other drugs. At this point in the history and study of drug use the burden of proof is on those who claim marijuana is a gateway.

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stopdiggin

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15. gateway drug has very little true meaning
Tue Nov 26, 2019, 03:02 AM
Nov 2019

either in terms of science or medicine. It's a nonsense phrase that started getting tossed around in the 70s .. without any factual definition or meaning then .. or now.

Cannabis is no more "gateway" to other drug use than caffeine, alcohol, tobacco, (or sugar drinks for that matter).

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caraher

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13. Well, it's technically true that he didn't say it *is* a gateway drug
Tue Nov 26, 2019, 02:29 AM
Nov 2019

But what he did say that drew all the attention was this (from the Washington Post; there's also a clip in the video a few posts up):

“The truth of the matter is, there’s not nearly been enough evidence that has been acquired as to whether or not it is a gateway drug,” Biden said. “It’s a debate, and I want a lot more before I legalize it nationally. I want to make sure we know a lot more about the science behind it.”


This is not something someone who believes it is definitely not a gateway drug would say. This is what you say when you think there is enough of a possibility that it is a gateway drug that you would hesitate to legalize it nationally, and when you believe there is an active scientific debate on the topic.

A fair summary of that stance would be to say he thinks it "may be" a gateway drug. (I would agree it's totally unfair to take his answer as a statement that it "is" a gateway drug.)

The link in the OP shows Biden trying to nuance his position in response to the criticism he's received. In this discussion he says he's seen no evidence that it is a gateway drug, and that the science he's talking about is not focused on whether marijuana is a gateway drug. Which is probably true.

But if you look at the context where this whole thing started, he was simply asked for his view on legalization. Biden brought up the gateway drug concept himself, and discussed it as an area of possible scientific uncertainty twice (even while confessing to not knowing the science well enough himself).

If you want to see the unedited video of the full original event there's a link on the Forbes web site
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Gothmog

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21. FDA warns 15 companies for illegally selling....cannabidiol as agency details safety concerns
Wed Nov 27, 2019, 05:58 PM
Nov 2019

The concerns that the FDA has with respect to CBD will also apply to legalize marijuana




Today, the U.S. Food and Drug Administration issued warning letters to 15 companies for illegally selling products containing cannabidiol (CBD) in ways that violate the Federal Food, Drug, and Cosmetic Act (FD&C Act). The FDA also published a revised Consumer Update detailing safety concerns about CBD products more broadly. Based on the lack of scientific information supporting the safety of CBD in food, the FDA is also indicating today that it cannot conclude that CBD is generally recognized as safe (GRAS) among qualified experts for its use in human or animal food.

Today’s actions come as the FDA continues to explore potential pathways for various types of CBD products to be lawfully marketed. This includes ongoing work to obtain and evaluate information to address outstanding questions related to the safety of CBD products, while maintaining the agency’s rigorous public health standards. The FDA plans to provide an update on its progress regarding the agency’s approach to these products in the coming weeks.

“As we work quickly to further clarify our regulatory approach for products containing cannabis and cannabis-derived compounds like CBD, we’ll continue to monitor the marketplace and take action as needed against companies that violate the law in ways that raise a variety of public health concerns. In line with our mission to protect the public, foster innovation, and promote consumer confidence, this overarching approach regarding CBD is the same as the FDA would take for any other substance that we regulate,” said FDA Principal Deputy Commissioner Amy Abernethy, M.D., Ph.D. “We remain concerned that some people wrongly think that the myriad of CBD products on the market, many of which are illegal, have been evaluated by the FDA and determined to be safe, or that trying CBD ‘can’t hurt.’ Aside from one prescription drug approved to treat two pediatric epilepsy disorders, these products have not been approved by the FDA and we want to be clear that a number of questions remain regarding CBD’s safety – including reports of products containing contaminants, such as pesticides and heavy metals – and there are real risks that need to be considered. We recognize the significant public interest in CBD and we must work together with stakeholders and industry to fill in the knowledge gaps about the science, safety and quality of many of these products.”

Many unanswered questions and data gaps about CBD toxicity exist, and some of the available data raise serious concerns about potential harm from CBD. The revised Consumer Update outlines specific safety concerns related to CBD products, including potential liver injury, interactions with other drugs, drowsiness, diarrhea, and changes in mood. In addition, studies in animals have shown that CBD can interfere with the development and function of testes and sperm, decrease testosterone levels and impair sexual behavior in males. Questions also remain about cumulative use of CBD and about CBD’s impacts on vulnerable populations such as children and pregnant or breastfeeding women.
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aikoaiko

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23. He has in the past. And he is currently not very clear about this issue.
Wed Nov 27, 2019, 07:58 PM
Nov 2019

:
The Hill doesn't forget when Joe was adamant about weed being a gateway drug:

Biden reverses, says marijuana isn't a gateway drug

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/472093-biden-reverses-says-marijuana-isnt-a-gateway-drug

Former Vice President Joe Biden on Monday walked back his previous comments about marijuana's status as a "gateway drug" while also insisting that he had never made such a claim.



but he did.


And in 2010, when asked by ABC News's George Stephanopoulos about the issue, Biden was more firm in his belief that marijuana use leads to other drug addictions.

“I still believe it's a gateway drug. I've spent a lot of my life as chairman of the [Senate] Judiciary Committee dealing with this. I think it would be a mistake to legalize,” Biden said at the time. “The punishment should fit the crime. But I think legalization is a mistake.”

Biden's campaign did not immediately return a request for comment from The Hill.



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