Democratic Primaries
Related: About this forumGoing Bloomberg.. for now.
From the beginning, my only focus has been on the key swing states that are needed to actually get to 270.
I don't give 2 shits about policy. I don't give 2 shits about history. I don't give 2 shits about the national (popular vote) polls. I don't care what California is polling at, or New York, or Alabama, or even where I live here in Texas (unless a candidate can really turn it into a winnable battleground like I thought Beto could early in the season).
He just announced, so there are no matchup's of Bloomberg in the battlegrounds yet, but as I have done with the other candidates, I will watch those most closely. I'm taking a leap of faith here. I think Bloomberg is just the kind of candidate that may really be able to take on Cheetolini in those states.
Right now, the single biggest concern I have about Bloomberg is that, if we get him a House and Senate majority, that no matter what, he will sign off on, not veto, any hard fought for legislation the party gets to his desk. This is the same major concern I have had about Bernie Sanders. All of the other candidates, not so much.
If the matchup polls don't show Bloomberg doing well in the battleground states like I think he will, I'll drop him like yesterdays left out potato salad.
Winning 2020 is all that matters. Popular vote doesn't do it, we've seen that already. 270. If Bloomberg, as I suspect, is the one that gives us the best showing in the battleground states like I suspect upcoming polls will show, I'm with him.
I'm especially interested to see how the next Texas matchup poll will go. Bloomberg may be able to do what Beto wasn't and get that reddish purple of my state into the bluish purple category.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
TidalWave46
(2,061 posts)Maybe that is a Bloomberg thing. Leaving out good food to spoil.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
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Amimnoch
(4,558 posts)You are wrong about me being a "Republican posing as a Democrat". I've been here an active member here almost as long as you have. I also supported her bid first in 2008, and even when she lost the Primary, I was more than happy to get 100% behind then candidate Obama.
Hell no, I did not support Jill Stein in 2016, I was a Hillary Clinton for President from the beginning. I didn't just vote for her, I phone banked, and canvassed, and donated the maximum to her both during primary and GE. I openly wept, and completely unashamed about it that awful night in November of 2016 as I watched the results unfold.
In 2018 I was a PROUD supporter of Lizzie Fletcher, the first Democratic Party candidate to hold office in my congressional district since George HW Bush took that seat in the 1960's. I'm active in her campaign to try to hold that seat for next year as well, and for my senate I'm an active and supporting member of MJ Hegar's bid for Senate to oust Cornyn.
But thank you for asking, and the back-handed attempt to slander me here because I'm more focused on winning than issues.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
oldsoftie
(12,486 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
TexasTowelie
(111,910 posts)Duck and cover.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
killaphill
(212 posts)"It takes a great deal of bravery to stand up to our enemies, but just as much to stand up to our friends.
This is a forum for discussion. Whether you agree with Mr. Bloomberg or not, as long as he's running as a Democrat, one should be able to profess support. While I disagree, I admire the posters courage.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
BannonsLiver
(16,288 posts)This is an anonymous Internet forum. What exactly is at risk, or at stake?
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
killaphill
(212 posts)We slam people constantly for views that don't conform to the (perceived) norm. This poster decided to go against the grain. Good for him/her/them.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
BannonsLiver
(16,288 posts)I should have recognized the bold stand here.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
oldsoftie
(12,486 posts)They'll toss you for BS nonsense.
And I still love your screen name. Its cracks me up EVERY time.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
bluedye33139
(1,474 posts)I can't really support him in the primary.
There are many better candidates.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
redstatebluegirl
(12,265 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Mike 03
(16,616 posts)I share your concerns. This keeps me up at night.
This might not exactly be what you are looking at, but I can't recommend this paper enough. This is a paper from The British Journal of Sociology 2017 Volume 68 Issue S1, by Michael McQuarrie. It's 33 pages.
TITLE: The revolt of the Rust Belt: place and politics in
the age of anger
It's long, but I recommend it to people periodically who might be interested.
https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/pdf/10.1111/1468-4446.12328
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Amimnoch
(4,558 posts)I've only gotten through the introduction at this point, but this does look like it's going to be a great read. It's saying things I've long believed to be true about this region of our country that virtually holds us hostage on Presidential selection.
One trivia fact I keep pointing out is that no president since JFK has taken that office without Ohio's electoral votes.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Mike 03
(16,616 posts)It's a deadly serious issue. Maybe I'm being simplistic, but not much matters if we don't win. To me that is the bottom line. We have to get this person out of the White House. If we don't, all the other issues become moot.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Turbineguy
(37,285 posts)Or at least some of us have, where a candidate, no matter how unsuited is vastly superior to trump.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Sherman A1
(38,958 posts)A cardboard box would be better than Trump.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
magicarpet
(14,113 posts)... far superior to the Orange One.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Sherman A1
(38,958 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
BootinUp
(47,053 posts)And Hes not even a Democrat.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
question everything
(47,425 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
redqueen
(115,101 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
ritapria
(1,812 posts)a Republican like Bloomberg to defeat Republican Donald Trump What a defeatist attitude .. A vastly more intelligent , competent, conservative right wing billionaire is not what the country is looking for ...
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
BannonsLiver
(16,288 posts)The logic in the OP is disturbing.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Jarqui
(10,119 posts)support from Biden or someone the GOP fear
His chances do not seem realistic to me so I suspect an ulterior motive
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Zorro
(15,722 posts)I like that.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
BannonsLiver
(16,288 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
cwydro
(51,308 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
gibraltar72
(7,498 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Sherman A1
(38,958 posts)I will simply never vote for Bloomberg and I direct you to these words of Harry Truman.
Given the choice between a Republican and someone who acts like a Republican, people will vote for the real Republican all the time
Harry S. Truman
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
liskddksil
(2,753 posts)as the majority leader, holding up gun reform efforts? Bloomberg supported dozens of Senate Republicans including Pat Toomey in Pa. His supposed gun control group, Everytown, propped up Toomey in 2016 giving him unwarrented credibility to suburban voters in Montgomery county which helped Toomey over perform there.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Amimnoch
(4,558 posts)Just as I've supported Biden despite the Iraq war vote.
Or Bernie despite my firm belief that he's a core reason we have Trump in the first place.
Or Senator Warren despite her having been a Republican as well in the past.
Or
It's about the swing states and who they will be willing to turn out and support come the GE.
So yes, I am willing to forgive Bloomberg the $17 million he's donated to boost Republicans since 2012 out of the $86 million he's spent on candidates from all walks.
If he does turn out to be the one strongest against Trump in those swing states, I'm a Bloomberg supporter.
If the next round of polling proves my intuitions wrong, I'll have Biden back in my signature.. or Warren if her polling in those states pulls ahead, or even BS if his are pulling ahead, and I have a deep-seated disdain of Bernie held over from 2016.. bordering on hostile hatred, but if he's got the best chance of pulling the swing states, I'll swallow that hatred and support.
Trump has got to go, and the senate has made it clear they will not convict on any house impeachment.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
redstateblues
(10,565 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
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dalton99a
(81,386 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
TheFarseer
(9,317 posts)A lot of Democratically inclined voters will stay home if its Bloomberg?
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Amimnoch
(4,558 posts)Almost daily I look at this map and worry about many things
In the states that are allocated as blue, I do have concern that a Bloomberg candidacy might affect the turnout numbers, but I don't think it will be enough to change them to Red. I desperately hope that it isn't.
The vast majority of Red ones aren't going to change either.
Those beige ones though.. Those are the ones I look at again and again and again.
The thing I fear the absolute most is waking up on November 4th, 2020 and seeing that orange jackass being reelected, and having that wave of nausea and fear that I had that horrible morning in November 2016.
It baffles the hell out of me still that people who voted for President Obama in 2008 and 2012 could in any way shape or form be some of the same people that voted for orange Hitler in 2016..
I'm not even CLOSE to being all in for Bloomberg at this point, but I do want to see how his numbers will be in those beige states. Maybe he is the one to get those votes back in our court.
There's so much at work against us right now:
Cheetolini is not facing any real primary challenge.
We have what's turning out to be one massive and very contentious primary.
Cheeto is an incumbent, and thanks to President Obama's OUTSTANDING work, even with the mess he's made of things the strong Obama economy is holding.
Our candidates are spending their donations as fast as they get them to fight each other while Cheeto's massive war chest keeps building.
The only things I actually like about Bloomberg at this point is he's going directly after Trump, and the potential he may bring to clinching those swing states.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Demsrule86
(68,455 posts)to find your post persuasive. I vote blue not matter who, but Bloomberg is not a good nominee.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Demsrule86
(68,455 posts)with the GOP and fuck with Social Security, Medical care etc...absolutely not. Only is a general will I vote for Bloomberg and he is my least favorite candidate...union won't vote for him either after what he did in New York.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Hassin Bin Sober
(26,311 posts)Stopped reading there.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
redqueen
(115,101 posts)Do the math.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided