Guys. I'm just about to swing my support to Biden.

[mindfulNJ]

I was a Warren supporter, and I still agree with 90% of her positions on things BUT...WE HAVE TO BEAT TRUMP. I just don't think Warren and Buttigieg can excite Black voters to get out to vote in the overwhelming numbers we will need in 2020. Let's face it. We are NOT going to turn any Trumpers away from him so we will need to GOTV to win. Biden is a safe choice and this is an emergency.

[rzemanfl]

1. I will think about this emergency while I sort socks. n/t

[mindfulNJ]

2. Lol!

[Hortensis]

53. :) 68 days until IA on 2/3, then another month to Super Tuesday

on 3/3, then a couple more weeks until the FL primary.

As you fold a bunch of socks, maybe consider what it means for the nation that Biden's strong and broad support has remained impressive, that his position well out ahead nationally is almost the only constant in this extremely, extremely weird political year.

While naturally some want someone else, I think we all should be extremely grateful that we haven't spent the last months watching candidates struggling without a strong, enduring leader emerging. Because VP Biden's in the race, at least every one of us has one genuinely strong candidate among our choices, and in these times of danger that should be enormously reassuring.

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[NBachers]

3. Welcome

[jezebel321]

4. I think if you are more with Warren, you should stay with her. I think falling for the "this one

wont win this group, this one wont win that group" is playing into the media narrative and the narrative of other camps to scare Primary voters into going with the "safe". I personally believe going with the safe choice excites no one and welcome to Trumps reelection.

[Demsrule86]

7. Nonsense...you need to vote for who you think will win.

[jezebel321]

8. and when that safe choice inspires no one and Trump wins, we all lose. nt

[mindfulNJ]

20. I think he inspires black voters.

I think Quinnipiac had him polling over 40% with African Americans.

[PatSeg]

33. It is nice to be inspired by a candidate,

but Democrats have a bad habit of always looking for the next JFK or FDR and when they aren't inspired, they often stay home. Meanwhile, republicans vote religiously, inspired or not. McCain, Romney, both Bushes? Not exactly inspiring leaders.

Democrats need to get out and vote in every election for every office, and not put so much focus on one person every four years.

Though I think Biden is probably safer than some candidates, I am supporting him because I do believe he would be a good president, not just because I think he can beat Trump. And there have been plenty of times when he DID inspire me, but I don't need that to vote for an experienced, competent candidate.

[FloridaBlues]

42. You are exactly right the republicans will vote no matter who is top of ticket

Personally my inspiration is getting trump out. Experienced candidate definitely helps.

[PatSeg]

50. Yes

I think that would be the primary motivation this election. Hopefully, now that people are "woke", they won't go back to sleep come the mid-terms.

[Cha]

63. I am Very Inspired by getting our Democracy BACK

and helping those who need it.. in our country and across the World!

Total Inspiration!

[Thekaspervote]

36. You're wrong Biden does inspire

This from a poll done by business insider

Undecided general-election voters most like the businessman Andrew Yang and former Vice President Joe Biden out of all the Democratic candidates, a new Insider poll found.

More at the link
https://www.businessinsider.com/undecided-general-election-voters-prefer-biden-yang-2020-democrats-2019-10

And this

Voters are fairly clear about what they would like from a Democrat. They prefer, by 82% to 11%, one who promises to find common ground over one who promises to fight for a progressive agenda; and they prefer a moderate over a liberal, 75% to 19%.


They support Biden over the president, 38% to 27%, but prefer the president to Warren, 37% to 20%. Sanders is in between, with the president leading him, 34% to 32%. This group voted for Trump by a smaller margin in 2016, 37% to 30%, with the rest casting ballots for minor candidates.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/1287336368#post2

[Demsrule86]

55. He inspires Black voters...but I guess only white voters matter? Sorry if they need 'excitiement'

than they can't be trusted...you know what inspires me? Getting rid of Trump. I want to win...and Biden can win...don't see anyone else able to honestly. I vote blue no matter who. And I like Biden anyway.

[Cha]

62. ".. inspires no one.. "? Wow, do you have it wrong.

[DonCoquixote]

46. Hillary was supposed to be the safe choice last time

and we had our heads handed to us.

[mindfulNJ]

54. Hillary got more votes

The Electoral college and Putin beat her but you knew that. Im not sure any Dem would have won given the shenanigans that went on.

[UrbScotty]

49. Any of them can beat him. He barely beat an unpopular opponent in 2016...

...and now there are a lot more people paying attention who will be voting in 2020.

I don't buy the idea that any of them can't win.

[Demsrule86]

56. You are wrong about that...run a left left candidate and we lose the mid west...he wins again by

an EC win...in MI, WI and PA...

[UrbScotty]

67. I actually live in MI. I don't buy for a second that a progressive can't beat an unpopular Tr*mp.

[Demsrule86]

69. I didn't think MI would go for Trump in 16 either but it did...you had the worst governor ever

for two terms...so I think Trump could win. And your state is not liberal or progressive...purple.

[UrbScotty]

71. Pretty sure I know my own state, thank you very much.

[mahina]

14. This

[BlueMTexpat]

21. Well said!

[DownriverDem]

22. It's clear

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The writer wants to win. It's not about who you like. Its who can win enough states to beat trump.

[treestar]

30. Of course you want the safest choice

Winning Is much more exciting.

[Demsrule86]

5. I think Joe may get some Trump supporters...not the hard core but the suburban type will

help with the senate.

[RKP5637]

12. Yep, I think that might happen ... those that were passionate about tRump and now realize he

F'ed them over.

[Stuart G]

40. Very well said...I quote.."those that were passionate about Trump, and now realize he Fu. ked

them over...or in other words.....

Trump lied to them about everything, just like he lied to us. Donald Trump is a pathological liar. People don't need to be a genius to see that. Everyone sees that...and when someone lies to you over and over and over, you do not want him in a leadership role. Not any leadership role...

So a good percentage of those who were passionate about Trump will not vote for him again, because of the reason that you said, "he is a fu ken liar. " He knows that, and we know that and those who were passionate know that. And of those who were strong supporters, I would say 1/4 to 1/3 will not vote for him..under any circumstances. He is the kind of person that makes a person

...Now, we have had this before, with George McGovern, who I worked for and gave money to. His campaign was so bad across the country, that many people I talked to just slammed the door on me. It was awful, because McGovern would have gotten us out of the war much earlier.

...But, he was presented in such a way that he made people He lost every state but Massachusetts. The electoral vote for Nixon was incredible.. My guess is the exact same thing will happen to Trump. He lies too much, is disrespectful, is a fool, and doesn't care about anyone but himself. (not faults McGovern had) And most important,,people have had a lot of time to see this and

...What will happen is a lot of the people who were staunch supporters of Trump, will just stay home. They won't vote for the Democratic candidate, they will protest Trump by not voting for him. (they won't vote at all) ...that is what is going to happen. We will win, no matter who we pick. (Yes, we still need to pick the strongest candidate, because, this prediction could be all wrong..wait, I got to

[Vogon_Glory]

6. A lot of us think that way

I like a lot of Senator Warren’s policy positions too but what we have in the White House is not only well outside our norms but as crooked and squalid as many 20th century Latin American kleptocracies (An irony, considering how much Individual One and his chief of staff hate Spanish-speaking immigrants). Get him out first and pray to the Almighty that No. 45 and his henchmen face genuine justice.

[dhol82]

10. First just hope and pray that we can get them out of the White House.

I keep seeing trouble getting them out the door.

[INdemo]

17. I think you are correct. They will claim that votes were not counted or votes

were shifted to Democratic candidate etc,etc..The same thing Republicans have been doing for years

[Beartracks]

28. We have to win by huge enough margins to utterly overwhelm the cheating and "irregularities"...

... that always seem to crop up in favor of Republicans.

There can be no doubt as to the Democratic victory. It's gotta be by more than 3 million votes, apparently.

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[Cha]

9. Ya wanna know what I think as a Biden supporter.. ?

I think Biden has the best qualifications and Experience to do the job from Day One.. I'm more of a President Obama/VP Biden Dem than anyone else.

And, he just so happens to be the one who is ahead in the polls to beat the psycho in the WH.

[RKP5637]

13. Yep, I think he's the best choice. n/t

[Thekaspervote]

37. Yes he is absolutely the best choice!

[redstateblues]

43. There's a reason Joe is leading in all the national polls

People trust him. Here will be a great President

[Cha]

45. Absolutely, restateblues!

It's not random.. lol

Link to tweet

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1287&pid=360989

[liberal N proud]

11. Every candidate has great ideas

But they are just that, ideas.

Candidates talk big ideas to get votes, but to follow through is tough.

Why do I support Biden? Because he has been in an administration, he was next in line for the job if something terrible had happened.
Obama sought his confidence.

What we need is someone who can put this nation back on track above all else. They must also be someone who can beat Trump.

Yes, I am for health care and all that other stuff, but I see Biden as the best person to put America back on the world stage.

That is why, twice a week, I host a call party from my house, calling on behalf of the Biden Campaign to build support ahead of the primaries.

But everyone must make their own decision.

[Beartracks]

29. "Yes, I am for health care, but" -- It's not like Biden is NOT FOR health care.

I mean, I know you know that, I just wanted to clarify the point. As I understand it, he wants to build on & improve the ACA.

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[liberal N proud]

51. As I see it as well

I had a call the other day from a volunteer for the Warren campaign who insisted that I I didn't support Warren, then I must not have been for health care for all.

It was like talking to a trumper, the ladies just wouldn't let go of that.

I hope that is not how the Warren campaign is directing their supporters.

[Demsrule86]

57. That is bad news...they were off script most likely...and that never works...you can't argue with

voters when you seek their support.

[Gothmog]

15. Beating trump is the only thing that really matters

[UncleNoel]

16. Welcome to the winning ticket-who will be the VP?

[rzemanfl]

18. What kind of socks will he/she wear? n/t

[mindfulNJ]

19. Kamala Harris?

I would love to see a President Biden find a place in his administration for all the candidates...except Tulsi.

[peggysue2]

23. Welcome aboard the Riding with Biden Train

I, too, like Elizabeth Warren, think she's been a hell'va senator.

But for winning the GE against Trump? I'm with Biden.

Doesn't hurt that Joe Biden is the most qualified for the position and the only candidate with hands-on foreign policy experience. Then there's the Trust Quotient. Despite all the bad press and criticism, the Ukraine brouhaha, etc., Joe Biden continues to lead the pack in the polls and in terms of electability, likability and in the simple yet important element of trust. Voters trust Joe Biden will know what to do from Day 1: heal and restore the country's institutions and our commitment to the rule of law while shoring up our alliances abroad. Only then can we truly move forward with all the important business left undone and/or ravaged by Trump's incompetence, his obsession with tearing away any semblance of a Democratic Republic.

The man who would be King will be replaced by a man who would be in service to the country and her people.

The man who would be in service to the country and her people can win this thing.

And for 2020? WINNING IS EVERYTHING.



AGO4JOE2020

[BlueMTexpat]

24. The "safe" choice?

When will we Dems realize that NO Democrat is a "safe" choice?

GOPers will tear ANY nominee who IS a Democrat to shreds.

What we need is someone who will stand up to them, call them out for what they are and who has a track record of actually inspiring and organizing a majority of US voters to get up off their behinds, get to the polls and vote for the Democratic candidate.

To my mind, Elizabeth Warren is indeed such a person. There are several other primary candidates who possibly could be as well.

But please do remember that Biden has already participated in two Presidential primaries and didn't excite a majority of voters in either.

The only thing that has changed since those earlier primaries is that he was an excellent Veep for the second best President of my lifetime (when I was born, FDR was President). While his name recognition and generally favorable ratings may be high as a result, his actual accomplishments from that era have been vicarious in that they were ALL associated with President Obama.

[Thekaspervote]

38. That just isn't true... see post #36

[BlueMTexpat]

65. There's no point in referring

me to post #36 because whoever wrote it is apparently on my "Ignore" list.

And exactly what part of my post is not true? That GOPers won't smear ANY Dem? That Biden didn't lose a majority of Dem voters in his two earlier primary runs? That he hasn't basically achieved his general favorable recognition today because of his association with Prez O?

??????

Too many seem to have forgotten Biden's performance when he was on his own, especially that in the 90s. You can bet that GOPers will use that against him - likely to excellent effect - if he is the Dem candidate. Prez O's coattails may not help him there. Are you really willing to take that chance?

Unlike Hillary, who was castigated for her vote on Iraq throughout the 2016 campaign, people seem to have forgotten that the much more "experienced" legislator Joe Biden also voted for that totally disastrous AND unwarranted war. Do you really believe that won't be resurrected and used against him?

And then there is Hunter. While what GOPers led by Trump are trying to do with that situation is unpardonable and outright wrong, the fact is that it is still a situation where an ostensibly unqualified person received cushy jobs based only on his presumed access to the Veep. Please remember what GOPers did with Benghazi and Hillary's emails - both of which were totally manufactured "scandals." They resonated with too many in the GE. Are your sure that this one won't?

Bloomberg and Patrick are apparently not so sure about any of this, which is likely why they've jumped in.

I personally believe that Biden is MUCH the best choice of the three. But lots of Dems still don't seem that sure about him.

**********

In 2016, Hillary Clinton wasn't just the "safe" choice; she was absolutely the BEST choice. She has been, without exception, the MOST qualified candidate EVER to run for US President.

And yet even she was endlessly - and effectively - smeared!

[redstateblues]

44. I like Warren but she is weak in the rust belt and with POC

No Dem will win without those two demographics

[ritapria]

25. If you want to see a tidal wave of young voters storm the polls

You will consider supporting the most electable candidate , Bernard Sanders ……….He is presently ahead of Trump by 12% according to Survey USA ...We played it safe in 2016 and lost to an Orange Reality TV Host .. The Moderate Republicans will vote for Trump ....The stock market is going up ...They're feeling fat and happy .... Chasing them is a fool's errand ……….. We need a candidate who will rally the base with a bold platform for change …...Who will rally millions of heretofore non voters to the Democratic Standard ..The candidate who has a huge grass roots movement ….. Play it Safe , Support Bernie...…..

[LongtimeAZDem]

26. Sanders doesn't have the proverbial snowball's chance, once the attack ads start

[dhol82]

35. Exactly.

Anyone who doesn’t believe it is living in a fools paradise.

[sheshe2]

52. "We played it safe in 2016 and lost to an Orange Reality TV Host "

We played it safe in 2016 and lost to an Orange Reality TV Host, seriously?

False.

WE voted for the most qualified candidate. They happened to be female that many refused to vote for BECAUSE OF HER SEX! Please do not deny Russian intervention in our election. If you deny the meddling then you deny the Mueller report and every hearing the Democrats held the past weeks. You deny every testimony from witnesses. I stand with Democrats every dayum time.

[Demsrule86]

58. +1000

[Cha]

60. Yeah, that "safe choice" is a meme of some that

has no basis in reality.

Thank you, she, for explaining it to her with facts.

[BlueMTexpat]

66. Absolutely! eom

[Cha]

61. Omg!.. NO NO NO and NO.

[redstateblues]

68. If you want to see massive numbers of POC stay home again

Vote for the Democratic Socialist

[tblue37]

27. I am beginning to think this way, too. nt

[MRDAWG]

31. MSNBC poll showed 49% Blacks for Joe, 13% max for the others**

*

[Cha]

32. I give you this new ad from Joe Biden, mindfulNJ!

Link to tweet

[caraher]

34. I don't believe in "safe choice" reasoning

I want to beat Trump as much as anyone here. But nobody here can see the future, and conventional wisdom about things like "electability" tends to be something more like self-fulfilling prophecy than fact. (Which is why I would respectfully request people knock off all the "your candidate will get creamed in the GE" posts - we all need to go into November all-in for Sanders or Warren or Biden or Buttigieg or Harris; I think every single one of our frontrunners is viable.)

[Thekaspervote]

39. See post #36

[Demsrule86]

59. I have to say it...do you think if Warren doesn't get support from our important AA

constituency that she should be the nominee ( I don't)...that group especially Black women led us to victory in the midterms and recently too...it seems arrogant to me to take such important voters for granted and basically say they will vote for us anyway what else can they do? They might not come out in numbers that we need...and really why should they? The left always wants to chase the young unreliable vote but often completely ignore our faithful boots on the ground AA voters...I don't get that.

[caraher]

64. I would agree that any candidate does need to build real AA support

We'll see how it plays out. Biden starts with a big edge in that department, and Warren and some others need to continue to work at it. And Biden can't coast, either.

[Demsrule86]

70. I think Biden will be the nominee...I don't think Warren or some others can expand their base...

I know some get mad when I say that. But after Iowa and New Hampshire where do the other candidates go? Sanders may win a couple of states but the others not so much.

[Indykatie]

41. Welcome to the Biden Camp.

I think it was unfortunate that Warren ended up having to reveal the nitty gritty details of M4All when Bernie has been campaigning on it for years without ever having to provide any details of the costs, impact on taxes or loss of jobs that would come IF it was ever implemented. Add in the elimination of all commercial/Employer based coverage and it becomes am albatross for any candidate hoping to win a general election. I'm surprised that it seems Warren is losing support so early in the primary though if it is indeed related to her embrace of Med4All. It would say that quite a few Democrats aren't thrilled about M4All either. I'm one of them. I want a healthcare bill that can actually get enacted soon with a path for continued movement to universal coverage in some form.

[flamingdem]

48. Joe for the win

[onetexan]

72. +1 K&R

[helpisontheway]

73. I decided to go with Biden too unless Buttigieg surprises me..

My heart wanted Warren for awhile but she is committed to forcing everyone to give up private insurance so that will not work for me. My husband is retiring early very soon. We are depending on the medical military benefits that he earned but she just wants to take it away. I don’t think so..at least not with my help. I wish Klobuchar was not so far down in the polls. She has impressed me in recent debates.