Vox: "She fantasizes being raped by 3 men": Bernie Sanders's bizarre 1972 essay on gender

[TomCADem]

We have seen many posts going deep into the history of Joe Biden's voting record or stories about Bernie supporters attacking Elizabeth Warren for not registering as a Democrats several decades ago. But what about Bernie? There is still precious little vetting of Bernie went it comes to his pro-Russia, anti-NATO record, his anti-immigration views, or his pro-gun votes. Indeed, it is odd that Tulsi is hated even though she has virtually identical views with Bernie, and has long been a strong Bernie supporter.

There is a great reluctance to vet Bernie. Is it because like Trump, Bernie has push the idea that he is a victim of media bias, thus any actual effort to vet Bernie is portrayed as an example of media bias? Yet, Bernie's votes and statements are often ignored. For example, here is a Vox story noting essays written by Bernie about rape fantasies.

https://www.vox.com/2015/5/28/8682503/bernie-sanders-rape-fantasy

In case the text is tough to read, here are the opening paragraphs:

A man goes home and masturbates his typical fantasy. A woman on her knees, a woman tied up, a woman abused.

A woman enjoys intercourse with her man — as she fantasizes being raped by 3 men simultaneously.

The man and woman get dressed up on Sunday — and go to Church, or maybe to their "revolutionary" political meeting.

[flor-de-jasmim]

1. This was covered in the 2016 election, extensively.

[NurseJackie]

2. Actually, I don't recall seeing this discussed here.

This was covered in the 2016 election, extensively.

Actually, I don't recall seeing this discussed here.

[Blues Heron]

7. pretty hard to forget this

It was definitely posted here a lot.

[NurseJackie]

13. How long were the posts active?

It was definitely posted here a lot.

How long were the posts active?

[jberryhill]

18. Why do people pretend to be helpless to find things?

I'm guessing the objective is to just keep kicking the thread and not to actually ask a question.

https://www.google.com/search?q=sanders+raped+site%3Ademocraticunderground.com

The search - sanders raped site:democraticunderground.com - takes all of a few seconds to type into Google.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/10026744194

Bernie Sanders distances himself from 'dumb' 1972 essay on rape

Out of the 858 results generated by that search, there are several threads which that search will generate and in the top 20 search results in less than a second.

Less than the time required to ask the question above.

While Sanders has some highly questionalbe writings and comments ...
https://www.democraticunderground.com › ...
May 3, 2016 - 35 posts - ?19 authors
If you want to take issue with Sanders and women please stick to his quotes and rape fantasies. Don't use a perfectly fine picture with Sanders ...


Since it has become big here to compare what Sanders and Clinton ...
https://www.democraticunderground.com › ...
22 posts - ?9 authors
"A woman enjoys intercourse with her man — as she fantasizes being raped by 3 ... /2015/05/29/410606045/the-bernie-sanders-rape-fantasy-essay-explained


Bernie's rape fantasy essay is not old enough history and is ...
https://www.democraticunderground.com › ...
Apr 3, 2016 - http://www.snopes.com/bernie-sanders-essay/ Right now the ..... A woman does not fantasize about being raped, as she has total control.

The Liberal case against Bernie - Democratic Underground
https://www.democraticunderground.com › ...
Mar 31, 2019 - 101 posts - ?44 authors
Senator Bernie Sanders's presidential candidacy poses a ..... essay in which he described a woman enjoying being raped by three men. Yes ...


I figured there would be a take down attempt once Joy Ann Reid ...
https://www.democraticunderground.com › ...
Apr 25, 2018 - 54 posts - ?30 authors
One Twitter user suggested Bernie Sanders as an example of a ... as she fantasizes being raped by 3 men simultaneously,” one line from the ...


Come on.

[Autumn]

15. Here are a few threads where it was discussed. There were many more but these came up first

https://www.democraticunderground.com/1251868565#post137

https://www.democraticunderground.com/12511307651#post11

https://www.democraticunderground.com/12511888835

https://www.democraticunderground.com/12511637124#post121

https://www.democraticunderground.com/1251868890#post291

[NurseJackie]

17. Haaaaaa!

There were many more but these came up first

HA!

[jberryhill]

19. This Google search generates 180 results

"sanders raped fantasizes site:democraticunderground.com"

[NurseJackie]

20. Thanks! That's a good one!

[jberryhill]

22. I don't catch your meaning

A good what? Have you never learned how Google works?

[NurseJackie]

27. It's a good tip... a good technique.

I don't catch your meaning A good what?

It's a good tip... a good technique.

Have you never learned how Google works?

Well, I know a little, but not everything. Thanks for sharing that method.

[jberryhill]

32. Oh, okay

I thought perhaps you were being sarcastic in some way, along the lines of claiming you don't recall it being discussed before.

Because you can also include usernames in search queries like this:

nursejackie sanders raped site:democraticunderground.com

Which shows that the username NurseJackie has actually participated in numerous threads which discuss the very thing that username NurseJackie now alleges not to recall having been discussed before.

Hence, a reasonable observer might conclude that the purpose is simply to keep kicking this one, and that the lack of recollection of the subject was disingenuous.

For example, in this thread:


Bernie's rape fantasy essay is not old enough history and is Republican fodder

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1637980

or this one:

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1307877

Star Member NurseJackie (27,236 posts)
11. Oh. My. God.

NW. SMH. WTF.

You've commented on it many times in the past. It is surprising that you now do not recall the topic entirely. Make sure you are getting enough sleep.

[guillaumeb]

35. Research can be our friend.

And at times, our enemy. The site search feature is very useful.

Have a good thanksgiving.

[ms liberty]

47. Lol. This subthread was a thing of beauty. Thanks! n/t

[NurseJackie]

110. Oh please! That was in the past. It deserves a fresh look for THIS election cycle.

I don't recall it being discussed for the 2020 vetting process. It's a whole new primary. Time to take a close look at the candidates, eh?

[jberryhill]

111. I didn't say anything about whether it "deserves a fresh look"

I would, however, recommend that if one is suffering from profound memory issues, then something does certainly need a fresh look.

[NurseJackie]

113. "one"

[sammythecat]

123. Thanks for that

Good work and a great response.

[Hassin Bin Sober]

25. And some people were apparently in every one of them.

Fortifying Your Memory With Supplements

https://www.webmd.com/diet/features/fortifying-your-memory-with-supplements#1

[Autumn]

67. Yeah several pages worth. I just picked the pertinent ones.

If one were to add a name there would be a lot more.

[NurseJackie]

71. LOL!

I just picked the pertinent ones.

[Uncle Joe]

23. Check out post #137 along with sub-thread on your first link, post #11 on your second link,

post# 121 on your fourth link, post # 291 on your fifth link and post # 2 on this thread.

[Autumn]

96. It's almost like people are not aware that what is posted on the internet can be seen by all.

[Uncle Joe]

98. Reminds me of a George Burns' quote

“The key to success is sincerity. If you can fake that you've got it made.”

― George Burns

https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/7132775-the-key-to-success-is-sincerity-if-you-can-fake

[Autumn]

118. But it hasn't been discussed in the 2020 cycle yet!!! Just 15, 16,17, 18, 19.

Extensively. And I'm sure it will be discussed in 2020 too.

[PhoenixDem]

63. But this should be discussed extensively - it is existentially important nt

[Autumn]

66. Not to worry. It has been discussed extensively. There were several pages that came up in my

searches. Those were just a slight few from 2015 and 2016. Not counting the many times it's been discussed in this go round after 2015 and 16

[PhoenixDem]

68. I was not here then and there are a lot of new voters who need to see this.

I think this should be given very wide exposure repeatedly.

[Autumn]

79. Oh you weren't here? You are here for them now and they will be posted again and again.

[NurseJackie]

75. This is called Vetting-2020 ... get used to it.

Those were just a slight few from 2015 and 2016.

This is called Vetting-2020 ... get used to it. The facts don't change just because the years do. It's a new year. It's a new election.

All I'm trying to say is that I'm sure there will be much more to come. Stand by. Brace yourself.

[Autumn]

82. Oh I'm well used to it, I don't need to be braced. I think it's good to vet the candidates and

Bernie will weather this just fine, as he has for decades. The GOP would waste no time in using anything to their advantage, even their children, as they have with Bernie's son and Biden's son.
Vetting is important. Every... every aspect of every candidate's life is fair game. His (or her) actions, their misspeaks, interviews, writings, recordings, votes, successes and failures.

NurseJackie (27,245 posts)

2. Actually, I don't recall seeing this discussed here.

This was covered in the 2016 election, extensively.

Actually, I don't recall seeing this discussed here.

The only reason I posted the links was to jog your memory. How long they were active doesn't matter.

Autumn (36,427 posts)

15. Here are a few threads where it was discussed. There were many more but these came up first

https://www.democraticunderground.com/1251868565#post137

https://www.democraticunderground.com/12511307651#post11

https://www.democraticunderground.com/12511888835

https://www.democraticunderground.com/12511637124#post121

https://www.democraticunderground.com/1251868890#post291

[NurseJackie]

84. Thank you!

The only reason I posted the links was to jog your memory. How long they were active doesn't matter.

Thank you!

Bernie will weather this just fine, as he has for decades.

He's never successfully run for national office in all those decades either. This will prove to be just one of many obstacles that continues to block him from being able to effectively defeat candidates on the national stage.

Every... every aspect of every candidate's life is fair game.

Yes. My opinion of you just went up a notch.

[TidalWave46]

85. Amazing that such thoughts were not discussed more.

It’s disqualifying.

[Autumn]

86. You missed them too? They'll be posted again.

[George II]

95. As they should be.

[Autumn]

97. As they have been.

[cwydro]

36. I do.

Because I remember being creeped out by it.

It was discussed here many, many times.

[question everything]

39. Has

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1287&pid=43288

Let's look at Sanders writing an essay in which a woman fantasizes about being "raped by three men simultaneously."

Snopes says it is true and provides the details of the essay. I will not reproduce it here, anyone can go to the link

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/bernie-sanders-essay/

I did not dare posted is an OP, only a reply because I have had too many hides for "bashing (non) Democrats"

[NurseJackie]

52. That's very wise of you. You've been observant.

Thanks for the links.

[Autumn]

69. That is an actual fact that he wrote that and it has been posted as an OP many many times

and deemed allowable. I posted a link to just a few.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/1287361597#post15

[George II]

80. Isn't it interesting that people are more concerned with the fact that this has been posted before..

...instead of the content of the essay, i.e.,

"This is bad"

"Yeah but it's already been posted"

[NurseJackie]

81. There's really no defense... so diversion and distraction is the only tactic remaining.

Isn't it interesting that people are more concerned with the fact that this has been posted before..

There's really no defense... so diversion and distraction is the only tactic remaining, apparently.

[sheshe2]

101. So.

NurseJackie
81. There's really no defense... so diversion and distraction is the only tactic remaining.

Isn't it interesting that people are more concerned with the fact that this has been posted before..

There's really no defense... so diversion and distraction is the only tactic remaining, apparently.

Truth is it has been posted but not really discussed. As you state "diversion and distraction is the only tactic remaining.

[Me.]

3. Still Relevant

[NurseJackie]

5. Agreed! It reveals a lot, and it EXPLAINS a lot too.

[Hortensis]

41. Yes. Even more his anti-immigration views, which, along with

other behaviors appealing to socially conservative populist types, his undiscussed other big faction that explains his refusal to give the AA bloc what they required from him.

If the MSM had reported honestly instead of focused on creating sellable stories and, for many, keeping conservatives in power by using him against Democrats, all this would have been examined instead of mostly buried last time.

[Me.]

42. That Business Of Being Anti-Immigration

Last edited Thu Nov 28, 2019, 03:52 PM - Edit history (1)

because we will be innundated with poor people really flabbergasted me especially as I believe his people immigrated from Austria and were...poor.

[George II]

70. This, from just about six months ago:

"If you open the borders, my God, there's a lot of poverty in this world, and you're going to have people from all over the world. And I don't think that's something that we can do at this point. Can't do it."

That's not the first time he expressed an opinion like that, nor is it the worst thing he said.

There's this interview with Lou Dobbs when he was on CNN (before this gets bashed since Dobbs is now with Fox), bashing Democrats, bashing Harry Reid, and bashing Ted Kennedy:

https://www.vox.com/2016/2/12/10981234/bernie-sanders-lou-dobbs

DOBBS: Senator, this is a tortured process that Senator Harry Reid is directing, aided and abetted by the so-called grand bargainers. Do you expect this thing to survive cloture?

SANDERS: It's hard to say at this point. It really is. I hope very much that in its present form it does not survive. I think it needs a lot more work on it, especially looking at the economic implications of these guest worker programs.

DOBBS: You know, as we look at these numbers, they're absolutely startling. President Bush, you've looked at these numbers just as I have. The president is doing horribly. Only Nixon on the verge of impeachment had a lower approval rating than George W. Bush who has now the lowest approval ratings of his presidency. But Congress, 14 percent approval in the Gallup poll, the lowest in just about 35 years.

Is there any sense amongst your colleagues in the Senate, there in Washington, that it is time for people to begin to represent their constituents rather than these special interests, corporate interests ...

SANDERS: You've got it. And that's exactly the situation and of course there is concern on at least some of our parts. The reality is that I think a growing number of Americans understand that what happens in Congress is to a very significant degree dictated by big money interests.

And these guys are basing their - their whole ideology is based on greed. They're selling out American workers and in fact they're selling out our entire country and that is a major struggle that we have got to engage in to take back our country from these very powerful and wealthy special interests.

And:

SANDERS: I read something today that a lot of people coming into this country are coming in as lifeguards. I guess we can't find - that's right. We can't American workers to work as lifeguards. And the H1B program has teachers, elementary school teachers. Well, you know.

DOBBS: And that H1B program, we got to watch Senator Ted Kennedy watch there with the sole witness being one Bill Gates, the world's richest man, telling him he wanted unlimited H1B visas, obviously uninformed to the fact that seven out of 10 visas under the H1B program goes to Indian corporations that are outsourcing those positions to American corporations in this country and that four out of five of those jobs that are supposed to be high-skilled jobs are actually category one jobs which is low skill.

SANDERS: Well, you raise a good point, in that this whole immigration guest worker program is the other side of the trade issue. On one hand you have large multinationals trying to shut down plants in the America, move to China and on the other hand you have the service industry bringing in low wage workers from abroad. The result is the same — middle class gets shrunken and wages go down.

[Cha]

45. Hell yeah!

[Me.]

48. Happy Thanksgiving Cha

here's wishing you a delicious pie...

[Cha]

49. Happy Thanksgiving, Me!

Backatcha with the pie!

[TomCADem]

4. So Were Biden's Positions and Votes In Prior Elections...

...yet I don't see any reluctance on the part of folks to once again discuss Biden's statements and votes in the threads below. This is exactly what I mean. Any criticism of Bernie is dismissed with a Trump-like, "This was discussed extensively..."

[R B Garr]

9. ++++, apparently Biden has to arrange his sentence words

just right, in addition.

[Eliot Rosewater]

28. Now you are catching on. BASHING mainstream dems to some is not only

OK to do but should be done as often as possible, but bringing up anything about a certain someone

NO NO

that is...

Anyway, none of this matters, KGB has already hacked the system, our power grid is going down on election day as well. Although, putin might as well just let us decide and vote as there are so many people who wont

VOTE BLUE NO MATTER WHO

Who NEVER chime in when that phrase is used, that the filthy traitor might be able to actually win without cheating.

[thesquanderer]

43. Biden hasn't run for president since 12 years ago. I imagine Anita Hill was brought up then too.

But this Sanders knock is silly. (Old, yes, but that's not the point, it was silly four years ago, too.) Did you actually read the piece? It's a sensationalistic start to an essay that no one would care about except for its sensationalistic start.

https://www.tabletmag.com/scroll/191337/bernie-sanderss-1972-essay-man-and-woman

It's about the changing roles of men and women in 1972. It actually tells us very little about Sanders except that he wasn't a very good writer.

[still_one]

44. Exactly

[Cha]

50. Yeah, that doesn't work

for me, either, Tom.

Thank you for your OP..

[PhoenixDem]

64. Astute observation

He is not just a politician running for office -- to his supporters he is above reproach and should never be criticized.

[MarcA]

73. Any criticism of Biden is Not dismissed with the same here on DU?

Or is the criticism just dismissed with alerts?

[GemDigger]

12. I wasn't here in 2016

so this is the first time I have had a chance to read it. I imagine that there are a lot of new people here that were not here then and are reading it for the first time.

[George II]

40. Is there a reason this should not be discussed now?

[NurseJackie]

112. No. Not a single one.

But the objections being raised are based on fear and wanting to avoid the truth with a variety of distractions along with other accusations and veiled insults.

[NurseJackie]

133. I think it needs to be discussed more.

I don't recall this being discussed nearly enough. It certainly isn't something that strengthens the BS campaign. It certainly doesn't make the BS campaign more desirable. Honestly, I don't know why people are being so dismissive about it. In my estimation, it's a complete showstopper. (But then, I guess I just have higher standards in what I expect, and what I will accept, from the politicians that seek my vote or support.)

[Jewls2]

53. It was not covered by the press. HRC coddled Sanders, none of this was covered. Point, it will

be covered, all of it, if he were to win the Democratic primary. And it will be never ending coverage of Sanders not working until his forties, stealing electricity from landlord, not voting until he ran for office, honeymoons in Russia, defense of Latin dictators, not taking care of his son that was on welfare, all while asking working class to pay for free college, healthcare and other.

It was not in the media in 2016. It will be in 2020 if he wins the primary.

[Farmer-Rick]

102. Where was Tim Murphy when Traitor Trump was hiding his mistresses and taking gifts from Putin

Too bad Tim Murphy wasn't around to expose the Traitor and his Slovenian sex worker.

[LongtimeAZDem]

114. DU is not the national press; this is not something that received mainstream coverage

[Sloumeau]

6. If you read the entire article that he wrote, you find that in the passages that you quoted...

you will find that the "Bernard Sanders" who supposedly wrote the article was talking about sensationalism in books or magazines. He is definitely not endorsing a particular kind of behavior. Thank God no one is posting all of the weird things that I wrote when I was younger.

[cwydro]

8. I find those "fantasies" to be very strange.

Nothing against a good fantasy, but violence has never been in the least bit titillating to me.

[BuffaloJackalope]

10. Writers of fiction are not their characters.

Do you think Stephen King is really a giant rabid St Bernard dog?

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

11. The fear is perfectly understandable... this is how we know Bernie is winning!!

Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

[NurseJackie]

14. LOL! ROFL!

The fear is perfectly understandable...

this is how we know Bernie is winning!!

[Kahuna7]

16. Wait..what??

or maybe to their "revolutionary" political meeting.

Whew. Nothing to see here....

[yaesu]

21. At least he can put a few words together to form a sentence, unlike that orange piss stained

cockroach in the white house now.

[TexasTowelie]

57. If that is the criteria used to select who is president,

then I look forward to my inauguration in 2020.

[mcar]

24. Kick!

[Celerity]

37. all I can say is

[Gothmog]

29. K&R

[wellst0nev0ter]

30. ...

[Grasswire2]

31. I thought there was a DU rule against re-litigating 2016. nt

[NurseJackie]

33. 1972

I thought there was a DU rule against re-litigating 2016. nt

Nobody is doing that.

The facts don't change and the questions don't disappear just because it's four years later.

[Cha]

46. Nope.. called Vetting 2020.

[Hortensis]

78. This.

[Cha]

89. Mahalo, Hortensis!

[aikoaiko]

34. Most people know what a fictional portrayal of desperation is.

It wasn't a particularly good essay even for what it was.

[guillaumeb]

38. The title completely decontextualizes Sanders' remarks in service to...what exactly?

Sanders was speaking about fantasies promoted by a certain genre of magazines that are directed at a certain genre of reader.

There is nothing bizarre about recognizing that for a certain segment, dominance is part of how they see sex, and relationships.

[TexasBushwhacker]

91. And people often fantasize about things they would never actually do n/t

[guillaumeb]

93. Exactly. This piece contributes nothing to understanding the candidate. eom

[brooklynite]

51. There are plenty of reasons I think Sanders would be a bad Presidential candidate...this isn't one..

If Sanders likes to write -- or read -- erotica of any sort that in no way reflects his personal or professional attitudes or behavior, he's welcome to do so.

[NurseJackie]

54. You think the GOP would just let this "slide" without using it against him?

His followers may give him a pass, but something like this is definitely a liability for someone in the General Election.

[brooklynite]

55. Again, I think they have plenty to work with already.

[NurseJackie]

61. Yes they do. This included. No need to ignore it just because there is "plenty to work with".

Extreme vetting now. Fewer surprises and showstoppers and game-changers later.

[Cha]

59. I think you're right.. yes there's plenty of other

stuff.. but they wouldn't let this "slide" by a long shot.

[NurseJackie]

62. If he can't handle Democrats talking about it and questioning it...

If he can't handle Democrats talking about it and questioning it, there's NO WAY he could handle the GOP once they got started.

[Cha]

65. Exactly.. good point!

[NurseJackie]

76. When someone declares a topic "off limits" that tells me that they're scared.

[Cha]

88. Absolutely!

[Autumn]

90. Someone decided that this was "off limits"? It would only be wrong if it were a lie. He wrote it.

Put his own name on it.

[sheshe2]

103. I see what you did there.

[Mike Nelson]

56. I am not at all concerned...

... with anyone's sexual fantasies. I trust Bernie does not engage in real-life violent sex acts.

[LongtimeAZDem]

115. Given that some of his 2016 campaign workers alleged a "predatory culture" of sexual harassment and

violence, I don't know that such attitudes can be so easily dismissed.

[Joe941]

58. Just a Bernie hit piece.

[brooklynite]

99. ...because it's true?

[NYMinute]

127. Not a "hit" piece --- those are HIS writings nt

[LanternWaste]

138. This is troubling for Bernie.

[PhoenixDem]

60. oh wow ...

disqualifying ... especially in the "me too" era.

[RestoreAmerica2020]

72. Recall at the time..thought it was disturbing then, and now. Is it disqualifying?

...perhaps not, considering who is in the WH now--an odious traitor, racist, mysogynistic white nationalist kkknazi supporter accused by over 20 women of sexual assault including a woman who was 13 yrs old at the time said he [trump] raped her...so there's that. Regardless, I will vote for anyone who is the democratic presidential candidate, down ballot candidates as well!

[stonecutter357]

74. K&R

[Kurt V.]

77. 3/4 of this thread is a sub-thread. nuff said

[I_UndergroundPanther]

83. That article is sickening

Wtf is wrong with him?

[betsuni]

87. Can anyone tell me what the point of that essay is?

He says "In the beginning there were strong men who killed the animals and brought home the food -- and the dependent women who cooked it. ... Only the roles remain -- waiting to be shaken off." Apparently Bernie's idea of human history came from episodes of "The Flintstones."

It's weird.

[Cha]

105. ..

Thanks for having the stomach to read it.

Wow.. smh

[betsuni]

106. The worst thing in the essay for me is this bit:

"your sex friend when you were 13 years old" -- I've never in my life heard "sex friend" used for children.

[Cha]

107. omg.. and some are trying to

downplay this like there's nothing to see here?

I've never heard of that, either, referring to kids like that.. and I certainly didn't have one .. we went to parties at our friends' homes and danced.. I thought that was exciting!

[JackSabbath]

92. Yep.

The media didn't hit this very hard last time around because they didn't expect him to win, but if he gets the nomination this will be the ONLY thing they will discuss about him from that point until election day. Its basically a magic bullet.

[W_HAMILTON]

94. This alone would singlehandedly hand the election to Trump.

And there's plenty more where that came from (e.g., naked kids running around and touching each other, lack of sex causes cancer, etc.).

Lucky for us, there's virtually zero chance that Sanders will be our nominee.

[Gothmog]

104. trump is trailing with women voters

If sanders was the nominee trump would use this in the general election

[Tarc]

100. I'm no great Bernie fan, but, this topic has been done to death

[lapucelle]

108. "Women, for their own preservation, are trying to pull themselves together.

And it's necessary for all of humanity that they do so."

snip==================================================================================

And Men. Men are in pain too. They are thinking, wondering. What is it they want from a woman? Are they at fault? Are they perpetrating this man-woman situation? Are they oppressors?

The man is bitter.

"You lied to me," he said. (She did).

snip==================================================================================

"But in reality," he said, "If you ever loved me, or wanted me, or needed me (all of which I'm not certain was ever true), you also hated me. You hated me — just as you have hated every man in your entire life, but you didn't have the guts to tell me that. You hated me before you ever saw me, even though I was not your father, or your teacher, or your sex friend when you were 13 years old, or your husband. You hated me not because of who I am, or what I was to you, but because I am a man. You did not deal with me as a person — as me. You lived a lie with me, used me and played games with me — and that's a piggy thing to do."

- Women are trying to pull themselves together, but they need to do a better job for the sake of all humanity.
- Women lie to men.
- Women don't have the guts to tell the truth.
- Women live lies and play games.
- Women do piggy things.

This almost reads like something an incel or an MRM proponent would write on a reddit message board.

[Demsrule86]

116. Why bring this back up? It was written nearly 50 years ago...I am no Sander's

supporter but this seems unfair to me. Everyone knows about this. What is the point of this?

[LongtimeAZDem]

117. Because the gloves are off. It's ugly, to be sure, but there's no free pass like last time

[Demsrule86]

119. I guess...but I would not want my old crap come back to haunt me...

[LongtimeAZDem]

121. I know, and in a perfect world, I would agree.

[Demsrule86]

132. I know. I get it.

[Hassin Bin Sober]

120. Lol. This was brought up. So I guess the gloves were really off.

That all they got? Lol.

[SidDithers]

122. DU rec...

Just one of the many reasons why Senator Bernie Sanders (I-VT) shouldn't be President.

Sid

[ehrnst]

124. And he was no teenager when this was written. (nt)

[Hortensis]

125. That AND he skipped voting through the civil rights era,

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finally voting for the first time for himself in his lost-before-they-began VT races.

He's always bizarrely insisted there's no real difference between the liberal and conservative parties, not just at most of his appearances these days.

So, when rabidly racist conservative leaders were siccing dogs on civil rights workers and egalitarian liberal leaders were sending the National Guard to integrate schools, Sanders saw no difference that justified voting for one or the other.

When "segregation now, segregation tomorrow, segregation forever" George Wallace ran against Lyndon Johnson of the Civil rights act of 1964, Sanders saw no difference important enough for him to stand for or against.

And in 1972, when unmarried Sanders was writing about rape fantasy and advice to married couples in the middle of Watergate, as always he was saying it didn't really matter if Nixon/Republicans were reelected because the alternative was just the Democrats. Tweedle Dum or Tweedle Dee as he referred to the choice in 1986, when the Republicans solidified their opposition to the Democrats' efforts to fight climate change.

“Every American citizen must have an equal right to vote. There is no reason which can excuse the denial of that right. There is no duty which weighs more heavily on us than the duty we have to ensure that right. … It is wrong—deadly wrong—to deny any of your fellow Americans the right to vote in this country.

There is no issue of states rights or national rights. There is only the struggle for human rights.”

—President Lyndon B. Johnson, from The Voting Rights Act Address

"I am not now, nor have I ever been a liberal Democrat." ~ Sanders

[betsuni]

128. +1

[NYMinute]

126. Oh. My. God. nt

[Hortensis]

129. You know, I have NEVER gone on unemployment.

That was a matter of principle because back in the 1970s, when Sanders did, he and I could both find jobs and not have to, even if the immediately available jobs weren't what we wanted.

Unlike Sanders, I had a history of holding steady jobs and paying into a system I believed in, a safety net to protect people who couldn't get a job right away from crashing, emphatically not those who just didn't want to.

And, btw, I've also never stolen anything from anyone. Sanders did as an alternative to getting a job so he could pay his bill and get the power turned back on. But to this day Sanders thinks he's far more moral than I am. If that's not delusional enough, he also insists I'm not much different from Republicans.

“He was living in the back of an old brick building, and when he couldn’t pay the [electric bill], he would take extension cords and run down to the basement and plug them into the landlord’s outlet,” says Nancy Barnett, an artist who lived next door to Sanders in Burlington. The fridge was often empty, but the apartment was littered with yellow legal pads filled with Sanders’ writings. When he was eventually evicted, Sanders moved in with his friend Sugarman.

That's something I've also never done, not the moving in with someone because I was evicted for not paying my rent or the bad parting with someone who'd carried me when I wouldn't support myself.

If this sounds personal, it is. His constant insults to me are personal and taken as such. He believes them, but that hardly excuses him.

[LongtimeAZDem]

130. And his son and his son's mother were on welfare at the time

[Hortensis]

131. Yes. His history is full of this stuff. He really grabbed the golden ring

when he managed to get elected to congress. And he's never let it go, even though what he's had to do to keep it has meant 28 years of reliably badmouthing his colleagues and legislation written by them, then reliably voting for it, and then reliably returning to badmouthing them and it.

Wash, rinse, repeat for almost 3 cushy decades of betraying his passionately anti-Democratic Party views. And he's still not there when his son needs his support. Not my kind of morality.

[maximusveritas]

137. Interesting, I knew some of his history, but certainly not all

And I consider myself well informed. Imagine how little the average voter knows about this. The fact is that as much as Sanders complains about not getting media attention, he's really benefited from that as he didn't get any scrutiny from the media and Hillary also treated him with kid gloves to try and keep the party together.

[Aaron Pereira]

134. Yes, there are too many absurd attacks on our candidates.

Biden has felt it, Harris, Warren and Sanders too. Yuck.

[Jamaal510]

135. K&R

[Cha]

136. ..