The guy in Iowa said MSNBC reported that Biden got a job for Hunter

[Peacetrain]

in Ukraine so that they could access to President Obama. So glad VP Biden called him out for the liar he was. That guy was Maga..

Edit to add
https://ktiv.com/2019/12/05/biden-confronts-iowa-voter-during-exchange-over-ukraine-controversy/


Trust me, listen to this...

[HerbChestnut]

1. Lying implies intent.

I think that guy honestly believed what he was saying. That just makes him uninformed.

[Peacetrain]

3. Nope.. he did not.. he stood there and claimed MSNBC reported this crap

He knew what he was doing.. Biden set his fox loving ass straight

[HerbChestnut]

5. The Ukraine story was on every major media outlet for months.

It's plausible he heard a version of it on MSNBC at some point.

[Peacetrain]

7. That is bull..

absolute bull..that was out of the depths of the far right wingnut sphere. He thought he was going to get away with that, and he had his ass handed to him on a platter..

[HerbChestnut]

12. Of course the story is bull****. That doesn't mean it wasn't covered by every news outlet.

[Peacetrain]

15. There is no way he was "just uninformed"

[HerbChestnut]

19. Do you have evidence to the contrary?

[Peacetrain]

20. Do you?

[HerbChestnut]

22. Sure, all you have to do is go to MSNBC and search for Biden and Ukraine.

Here's a video of Rand Paul spewing crap about it during a live interview.

http://www.msnbc.com/stephanie-ruhle/watch/rand-paul-talks-hunter-biden-ukraine-work-nepotism-in-government-71280197824

The story was talked about nonstop for weeks, and it still comes up because of the impeachment inquiry. It shouldn't surprise anybody that some people would believe it.

[Peacetrain]

23. Bull hockey.. He came to spew the right wing venom from the bowels of the internet

and you hopping from thread to thread to tell us how this poor little fella is just an uniformed little guy.. You can peddle that to someone else

[HerbChestnut]

26. Trying to claim he's some sort of right wing shill without evidence is divisive.

Believe it or not, most people don't pay as close attention the news as the people who post on this forum. Also, most people aren't as politically polarized as what is often portrayed in the media. It is entirely possible this guy both votes Democratic AND believes the Ukraine story.

[Peacetrain]

29. Oh this is just rich.. now I am the one who is divisive.

You had to work on that one fast. oh yes, I am sure he does believe the Ukraine story because he is a maga.. wake up and smell the coffee

[HerbChestnut]

30. Symone Sanders tweeted the guy is a Warren supporter who would vote for Biden in the GE.

[Peacetrain]

31. Yeah right.. I saw that, and if he is a Warren supporter than I am the Cisco Kid..

That guy was there to confront Joe, and start a brouhaha.. except Joe kicked his ass back into his chair..

[Cha]

52. LOL.. still trying to protect the MAGAT spewing RW

talking points is still Not working.

[emulatorloo]

53. I believe ALL of our candidates would come on strong if someone was lying about their family.

As they should. Me too for that matter

[Cha]

55. Aloha, emulatorloo!

I know.. who wouldn't after all Biden's been through with trump trying to tear down his son.. it was just one Lie too many. No kid gloves for MAGATS.

[redstateblues]

58. Oh please. A guy that shows up at a rally?

Give me a break. He was a plant or a MAGA

[HerbChestnut]

60. If you're going to claim he was a plant, then provide evidence.

Otherwise it's just speculation, and we all know what that's worth.

[Peacetrain]

65. "Your selling access to the President (Obama)" prove he isn't a plant

that is what he said to Biden, and Biden took him down, or are you still pushing the confused little fella meme?

[LanternWaste]

75. None so blind as though who will not see.

Glasses or contacts may be of assistance to you if the plainly obvious is somehow magically denied to your senses.

(watch out when they try to up-sell you on the frames for the new lenses... that's where they get you)

[Demsrule86]

61. He was spouting the Rightie bullshit...yeah, he is a right wing asshat.

[Demsrule86]

71. The guy was later proven to be a Trumper...and not a Warren supporter.

[George II]

44. Yes, the "Ukraine story" was on every major media outlet, but the only one....

....that might have said anything like this would have been Fox:

But you on the other hand, sent your son over there, to get a job and work for a gas company, that he had no experience with gas, nothing. In order to get access for the president. You're selling access to the president just like he is.

MSNBC NEVER SAID THAT!! He never heard "a version of it" on MSNBC.

[pnwmom]

45. He didn't hear anyone on MSNBC say Biden got Hunter the job. He's lying about that. n/t

[karynnj]

13. It worries me a bit that because MSNBC does have Republicans on that someone, some time

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might have said that. I wish he would have simply strongly denied that he did anything to help Hunter get that job - and if true - say that he had wished Hunter didn't take that job. It is more important that the claim is not true and part of a RW smear that is taking the known fact (known since Hunter took the job) and conflating that it was a conduit to his dad and President Obama.

The facts are that while Hunter did have a job that did create an appearance of conflict of interest, everyone in teh Obama administration and our EU allies was pushing Ukraine to clean up corruption.

I don't think this person could have been won over - I agree he is likely a MAGA person - but others in the crowd might have some misgivings on the issue which will come up again. Anger is a normal reaction, but I think it might have been better to more calmly say that he did not send his son there and that no one in teh Obama administration acted in Burisma's favor.

[HerbChestnut]

28. Yep, this would have been a much more reasonable way to respond.

[phleshdef]

18. Yea you keep repeating this all over the forum. No one is buying it.

The guy was a full on MAGAt and you know it.

[W_HAMILTON]

67. A lie is also a reckless disregard for the truth.

Making claims that you don't know to be true is a reckless disregard for the truth.

[HerbChestnut]

69. Unless you're convinced it's the truth.

People believe stuff that isn't true all the time.

[LanternWaste]

74. Of course you speculate he's sincere.

And your own sincerity sounds just as honest as does his.

[BuffaloJackalope]

2. "You didn't hear that on MSNBC." "You're a damn liar!"

Joe sure got him.

[Peacetrain]

4. You saw it is his eyes.. he just turned on that guy when he

tried to claim Obama was getting influence through Hunter.. He was not going to put up with that crap the right is trying to peddle now to save Trump...

[George II]

6. He also told Biden he was too old to run for president.From your link here's the entire interchange:

MAN: We all know Trump has been messing around in the Ukraine over there, holding their foreign aid, so they'll say they're having an investigation, we know all of that. He has no backbone. But you on the other hand, sent your son over there, to get a job and work for a gas company, that he had no experience with gas, nothing. In order to get access for the president. You're selling access to the president just like he is.

BIDEN: You're a damn liar, man, that's not true. And no one has ever said that, no one has proved that.

MAN: I see it on the TV

BIDEN: You've seen it on the TV. No, I know you do, I'm not sedentary, I get up and…no, no, let him go.

BIDEN: The reason I'm running is because I've been around a long time and I know more than most people know. And I can get things done. That's why I'm running. And if you want to check my shape, let's do push-ups together man, let's run, let's do whatever you want to do. Let's take an IQ test (applause) Number two. No one has said that my son has done anything wrong, and I have not on any occasion, and no one has ever said it, not once.

MAN: I didn't say you were doing anything wrong.

BIDEN: You said I set up my son to work for an oil company, isn't that what you said? Get your words straight, Jack!

MAN: I heard it on MSNBC

BIDEN: You don't hear that on MSNBC! Look, I don't want to get in an argument here, man. Look here's the deal.

MAN: It looks like you don't have anymore backbone than Trump does (audience boos). I'm not voting for you.

BIDEN: I know you weren't man, you're too old to vote for me.

[Peacetrain]

8. Biden has a wicked sense of humor.. I heard when he told him he was too old to vote for him..

loved it.. Biden knew exactly what he was..

[Cuthbert Allgood]

46. Yeah. Because Biden doesn't have the old demographic.

Sure.

[Peacetrain]

49. Do you know what we are referring to?

[emulatorloo]

56. ...

[Cuthbert Allgood]

73. Yes, I do. Thanks for checking.

[BannonsLiver]

9. The guy is 100 percent MAGAt.

Couldn’t be more obvious.

[Peacetrain]

10. That is what the consensus is here in Iowa

[R B Garr]

72. Yes. After finally seeing it, he was a Trumper.

So obvious. Using MSNBC as his crutch made it especially obvious.

[Hav]

11. I like Biden and I liked

that he confronted him hard. But I still think he could have answered in better way. If that guy wasn't a Maggat and honestly having this opinion, he could have answered his accusations in a manner that addressed the points.
There is nothing so far that indicates that he or Hunter did anything wrong. Boards often have people with famous names. Hunter said that he is aware that his name probably helped him but it's also seem as a benefit by the company to have famous names on their board. Secondly, Hunter's work was in relation to achieving compliance to western rules. He didn't need experience in the gas business.

[Peacetrain]

14. Yep..the right is desperate, and so are some other people..

and I think they thought they were going to get a free ride on confrontation and no..not happening

[IluvPitties]

16. Biden did great and will tear Trump up in the debates.

[Peacetrain]

17. This is why Trump is scared of Biden..

[Wellstone ruled]

21. Amazing how these uninformed Folks pop up at these events.

Have to say,in rural Iowa as well as other Midwestern States,there are hundreds of these on the Loose. There are not enough nets to catch them all.

[Peacetrain]

27. I am from a small town in Iowa..there is more than a few on the loose..

But you would be surprised at how blue we actually are.. the crazy just gets so much attention

[Wellstone ruled]

37. Oh how I know.

Covered all of Southern Minnesota and parts of Northern Iowa for almost five decades. Amazing how Tribal many of these Towns and Cities are. Always reminded of a early TV program about interesting people you meet. And yes there some major Liberal areas in Rural Minny and Iowa. But,there are areas that will have a Confederate Flag flying as you enter town. Says tons my friend.

[Peacetrain]

39. You will not get an argument from me on that.. have you been to northwest Iowa

YIKES!

[underpants]

33. I'm guessing he heard it on talk radio.

Maybe not directly - that MSNBC said it - but the typical whirling rhetoric I can easily be misunderstood and that's probably the aim. Talk radio, I listen in, is a crazed world of references regular listeners "get" and pointed inside jokes.....oh and flat out lies.

[Wellstone ruled]

43. AM Radio gets down right ugly,

especially in rural America. And with Sinclair owning the bulk of these Stations,the hate speech and out right lies are the norm rather than a misquote. Interesting is the Social Media and how these falsehoods are spread,we have a neighborhood chat group in our HOA,visited the sight just out of Ha Ha's Thanksgiving Day. Holy crap,could not believe the garbage people post. After about five minutes of reading the latest posts,had to quit. At least we found out that we are that left wing liberal Trump haters on the intersection of certain Streets. Some people just have to much time on their hands.

Hey,it made our day,and this site is supposed to keep the Community Informed as to events and Public Safety Issues.

[underpants]

66. Since I just actually bought a house

I guess I should get involved in the HOA - I'm told they do nothing but worry about mailbox uniformity.

A friend went to the county board meeting last week and the first 30 minutes were 2nd Amendment Sanctuaries folks.

[Wellstone ruled]

70. Do understand,

one of the last board meetings I attended there were umpteen open mic spews about some of use flying our USA flags cause we have a CC&R stating you could only fly your flag on those appropriate national flag days. You got it,someone held up a picture of our House flying the flag. Later that night when I got home,I turned the flag upside down and flew it that way for a week. Needless to say,the HOA Manager stopped by and asked why the upside down flag,after my brief explanation,she agreed with me as why I fly our flag every day. BTW,while she was here,I did put the flag back to it's right full position. The next open board meeting the same screaming needle noses spoke up only to be graveled down and statement was read by the HOA manager that it will be appropriate for anyone to display their American Flag at any time they wish.

What a wonderful way to get under the Trumper Skins.

[rurallib]

24. New Hampton is Chucky Grassley's home town

just sayin'

[Peacetrain]

25. Yep.. the red is deep there

and so are the trolls.. Warren supporter.. oh geez.. he pulled that one right out of his hat..

[George II]

32. Apparently that's not the only thing that's "deep" there.

[Peacetrain]

34. rofl.. I have been laughing all afternoon since we came in and saw that..

Biden turned and looked at him when he implied basically that Biden was using Hunter to get something for Obama.. it was right out of the old three stooges.. Slowly I turned .. step by step.. inch by inch.. Biden just layed him out..

[emulatorloo]

54. Yup. And the county is in Steve King's district

[crazytown]

35. A MAGAt lying about being a Warren supporter -

gets to smear two Dems at once.

[Peacetrain]

36. Most likely.. I would not doubt it for a second..

[crazytown]

40. I loved this response from Joe

MAN: It looks like you don't have anymore backbone than Trump does (audience boos). I'm not voting for you.

BIDEN: I know you weren't man, you're too old to vote for me.

BOOM

[Peacetrain]

41. He does have a wicked sense of humor!!

[Cha]

57. omg.. that was funny! lol

Are we sure he's a "magat" saying that about trump?!

[crazytown]

62. George and Peacetrain think he's MAGAt

I defer to their depth of experience in identifying grubs

[Cha]

63. Yeah, he sounds like one except

for calling out trump.. a confused MAGAT?

[crazytown]

64. 'Undercover asset' !

[world wide wally]

38. Good one, Joe

[George II]

42. There's a short video on twitter where the guy admitted he was there on a mission.....

....to tell Biden to drop out.

I have the video but it's from the Washington Examiner. I do hope, though, that this guy should be outed for who he is. He claims to be a Warren supporter but I doubt it.

[crazytown]

47. He's a MAGAt smearing as many Dems as he can.

[George II]

48. Yes, we know he's not a Warren supporter...

....maybe his name is Warren and that's the only name he remembers?

I really hope someone on twitter recognizes him and calls him out.

[Gothmog]

50. From Symone Sanders

Link to tweet

[SummerSnow]

51. And who got a job for Ivanka and Jared in their administration?

[Demsrule86]

59. A magat for sure...and a liar...Biden did great...I love the last line...'I know you won't vote for

me, you are too old.'

[gulliver]

68. Yep, guy claimed he heard an anti-Biden/anti-Obama conspiracy theory on MSNBC...

...just as you say. That's obviously BS, and Biden caught him on it.