
Fri Dec 6, 2019, 02:40 AM
Sucha NastyWoman (2,661 posts)
What would stop Republicans from voting in our primaries?
Since their candidate is pretty much uncontested, why wouldn’t they just vote in our primary?
![]() primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden |
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Sucha NastyWoman | Dec 2019 | OP |
HerbChestnut | Dec 2019 | #1 | |
The Mouth | Dec 2019 | #18 | |
SterlingPound | Dec 2019 | #2 | |
Demsrule86 | Dec 2019 | #3 | |
Freddie | Dec 2019 | #7 | |
Sloumeau | Dec 2019 | #8 | |
Voltaire2 | Dec 2019 | #14 | |
Sloumeau | Dec 2019 | #15 | |
Voltaire2 | Dec 2019 | #17 | |
Sloumeau | Dec 2019 | #19 | |
Demsrule86 | Dec 2019 | #20 | |
booley | Dec 2019 | #23 | |
Voltaire2 | Dec 2019 | #11 | |
Freddie | Dec 2019 | #12 | |
Voltaire2 | Dec 2019 | #13 | |
KBlagburn | Dec 2019 | #4 | |
pnwmom | Dec 2019 | #5 | |
Shrek | Dec 2019 | #6 | |
hlthe2b | Dec 2019 | #9 | |
Joe941 | Dec 2019 | #10 | |
LongtimeAZDem | Dec 2019 | #16 | |
Retrograde | Dec 2019 | #21 | |
NurseJackie | Dec 2019 | #22 | |
Blue_true | Dec 2019 | #24 |
Response to Sucha NastyWoman (Original post)
Fri Dec 6, 2019, 02:45 AM
HerbChestnut (3,649 posts)
1. Time.
The number of people who would take time out of their lives to vote for someone they don't support in a primary is minuscule. This should not be a concern going into 2020.
![]() primary today, I would vote for: Undecided |
Response to HerbChestnut (Reply #1)
Fri Dec 6, 2019, 01:17 PM
The Mouth (3,011 posts)
18. Unless there were other issues on the same ballot
Here in California, there will also be propositions, and local stuff, so (if I were a Republican) why wouldn't I also take the opportunity to toss a little chaos into the Democratic convention?
![]() primary today, I would vote for: Undecided |
Response to Sucha NastyWoman (Original post)
Fri Dec 6, 2019, 02:45 AM
SterlingPound (428 posts)
2. what stops 400000 kentukey democrats from voting for what ever republican challenger is running
Against Mitch in the primary?
they can still vote dem in the general. It would be the easiest and cheapest way to get rid of him Is it the Dem Party worrying more about getting matching money for voters then getting rid of a so obviously compromised Representative. ![]() primary today, I would vote for: Undecided |
Response to Sucha NastyWoman (Original post)
Fri Dec 6, 2019, 03:06 AM
Demsrule86 (67,250 posts)
3. They will. This is why I support closed primaries.
![]() primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden |
Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #3)
Fri Dec 6, 2019, 07:28 AM
Freddie (8,991 posts)
7. Me too
Remember “Operation Chaos” some years ago? Was a campaign by the Repugs to get them to change their registration to Dem and vote for the worst candidate in the primary. They WILL pull this kind of crap in an open primary.
![]() primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden |
Response to Freddie (Reply #7)
Fri Dec 6, 2019, 07:33 AM
Sloumeau (2,657 posts)
8. Me too
Every state should have closed primaries. Furthermore, in closed primary states, if you don't pick a party, don't whine about not being to vote in the primary. It's kinda like not picking a softball team to join, then complaining when you don't get to play softball. You can't play if you don't join.
![]() ![]() primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden |
Response to Sloumeau (Reply #8)
Fri Dec 6, 2019, 09:45 AM
Voltaire2 (11,054 posts)
14. except of course we need unaffiliated voters to win in the general election
so shitting on them in the primary is like not a good way to pull them in.
![]() primary today, I would vote for: Undecided |
Response to Voltaire2 (Reply #14)
Fri Dec 6, 2019, 01:02 PM
Sloumeau (2,657 posts)
15. How exaxtly is saying...
that if you are not a member of a party, you do not get to pick who represents that party "s**ting" on them?
How many clubs allow people who are not members of that club to pick who are the leaders of that club? How often do you see the members of Club A allow members of rival club B to come and vote for who will lead club A? If they want to vote for the leaders of club A, it is the easiest thing in the world to become a member of club A. ![]() primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden |
Response to Sloumeau (Reply #15)
Fri Dec 6, 2019, 01:08 PM
Voltaire2 (11,054 posts)
17. It ain't a club. There are two de-facto institutionalized political parties in this country.
All other parties are effectively locked out because of our electoral systems.
So portraying the Democratic or Republican parties as just private clubs, or worse 'sports teams' is either naive or dishonest. They are, in reality, public institutions with a privileged role in the political process. ![]() primary today, I would vote for: Undecided |
Response to Voltaire2 (Reply #17)
Fri Dec 6, 2019, 01:41 PM
Sloumeau (2,657 posts)
19. Using an analogy, such as a private club or a sports team, is neither naive nor dishonest.
If you are an Independent or non-aligned voter, you simply change your voter registration to Democratic if you want to vote for a Democrat in a Primary, or to Republican if you want to vote for Republican in a primary. There is absolutely no restriction on doing this, other than the need to do it a certain number of days before the primary. Whether or not the Democratic Party and the Republican Party are de-facto institutionalized political parties, sports teams, or clubs does not change this. If you want to vote in a closed primary, you simply change to the party that you want to be in within the allotted time before the primary. One can always change back to Independent or non-aligned afterward if one chooses. Why do you think this is "s***ting" on people?
![]() primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden |
Response to Voltaire2 (Reply #14)
Fri Dec 6, 2019, 02:45 PM
Demsrule86 (67,250 posts)
20. Sorry...they can join the party if they choose otherwise...they don't get to pick our nominee.
![]() primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden |
Response to Freddie (Reply #7)
Fri Dec 6, 2019, 07:38 PM
booley (3,855 posts)
23. you mean where Rush Limbaugh told Republicans to vote for Clinton?
one would think if it was so effective they would keep doing it. In fact, they would expand it as they do with all the other dirty tricks they have tried and which worked.
Personally I don't think it worked. And closed primaries just drives new voters away. But if you do think this tactic works, trump is facing three primary challengers. ![]() primary today, I would vote for: Undecided |
Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #3)
Fri Dec 6, 2019, 08:51 AM
Voltaire2 (11,054 posts)
11. You can't stop people from changing their registration
You can set limits, blocking changes for some time before the actual primary, but that is pretty much all you can do.
That of course plus the fact that despite 'operation chaos' there is basically no evidence that Limbaugh's efforts or any other organized party raiding efforts had any significant impact on election outcomes. ![]() primary today, I would vote for: Undecided |
Response to Voltaire2 (Reply #11)
Fri Dec 6, 2019, 09:36 AM
Freddie (8,991 posts)
12. Never underestimate
The capability of Repugs to do dirty and underhanded things and get away with it
![]() primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden |
Response to Freddie (Reply #12)
Fri Dec 6, 2019, 09:43 AM
Voltaire2 (11,054 posts)
13. except of course it doesn't work.
It is much ado about nothing. Its our version of voter fraud. We should at least try to be rational evidence based humans.
![]() primary today, I would vote for: Undecided |
Response to Sucha NastyWoman (Original post)
Fri Dec 6, 2019, 04:17 AM
KBlagburn (567 posts)
4. Alabama has closed primaries...
if you are a registered republican you cannot vote in the democratic primary!!
![]() primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden |
Response to Sucha NastyWoman (Original post)
Fri Dec 6, 2019, 04:29 AM
pnwmom (108,394 posts)
5. They can't vote in closed primaries unless they register as Democrats, often months
in advance
Other than that, there's nothing to stop them from changing parties. ![]() primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden |
Response to Sucha NastyWoman (Original post)
Fri Dec 6, 2019, 07:28 AM
Shrek (3,848 posts)
6. Maybe Democrats should vote for Weld in the Republican primary
The surest way to be rid of Trump is to deny him the nomination.
![]() primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden |
Response to Sucha NastyWoman (Original post)
Fri Dec 6, 2019, 07:55 AM
hlthe2b (98,865 posts)
9. They can only vote in open primary states. That's where you need to address your attention.
The problem will still not address those states that allow one to change one's voter registration to D in order to vote in the D primary sometimes as little as a day or two before the primary election and change it back the next day, but it is a deterrent nonetheless.
I really don't get why all state's primaries should not be closed. I likewise don't understand why it should be acceptable for states to deny a Republican primary when there are Trump challengers with the wherewithall to qualify. ![]() primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden |
Response to Sucha NastyWoman (Original post)
Fri Dec 6, 2019, 08:27 AM
Joe941 (2,848 posts)
10. Nothing. It will happen sadly.
![]() primary today, I would vote for: Undecided |
Response to Sucha NastyWoman (Original post)
Fri Dec 6, 2019, 01:03 PM
LongtimeAZDem (4,494 posts)
16. Close all primaries, for a start
![]() primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden |
Response to Sucha NastyWoman (Original post)
Fri Dec 6, 2019, 05:37 PM
Retrograde (9,667 posts)
21. Depends on the individual state laws
In California, only registered Republicans can vote in the 2020 Republican presidential primary. However, the Democratic party (and the Libertarian, and the American Independent, parties) will let voters registered as No Party Preference vote in their 2020 presidential primaries*. For all other offices, there is no partisan primary and all candidates are on every ballot.
*Expect to see a replay of the 2016 complaining from NPP voters in California who expect the county registrars to magically know they wanted the ballot with Bernie on it rather than the generic one. My county's already sent out the notice to NPP voters informing them and asking which of the 4 ballots they want. ![]() primary today, I would vote for: Undecided |
Response to Sucha NastyWoman (Original post)
Fri Dec 6, 2019, 05:43 PM
NurseJackie (42,862 posts)
22. I support CLOSED primaries.
![]() primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden |
Response to Sucha NastyWoman (Original post)
Fri Dec 6, 2019, 11:42 PM
Blue_true (31,261 posts)
24. In Florida they would have to reregister as a democrat before the cutoff date.
We may get a few that are willing to do they, but they won't impact the outcomes on voting day.
![]() primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden |