I'm just not in the mood to explain why Bloomberg calling Cory Booker "well-spoken" is a problem

[StarfishSaver]

Can someone else help out here and break it down for those who don't understand it?

Thank you.

[Grasswire2]

1. I don't know but I would rather have Cory Booker than Bloomberg any time, anywhere. nt

[Blue_playwright]

98. Yup. No Bloomberg and no Tulsi.

Nt

[ancianita]

2. UGH. I'll pass.

[bitterross]

3. For most of us, you don't need to explain.

I think most of us get the fact it's not really a compliment but, rather, a type of subtle racism.

[dchill]

18. He's putting Booker in his place.

Bloomberg is no Democrat.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

107. Agreed... these "articulate, bright and clean" type comments have no place in Democratic politics.

Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

[tonedevil]

4. It is unfortunately a waste...

of time and effort. The wypipo here are already showing the level of effort they will expend to misunderstand.

[MrsCoffee]

5. +1

[JustAnotherGen]

7. Take out the wypipo

Seriously - it caused a lot of issues in the past. But I do appreciate and understand what you mean.

It's not worth our time. I don't have time for their shenanigans and malarkey.

[tonedevil]

15. Having already seen the...

"why would that be a problem" posts in the other threads I think the good ship shenanigans and malarkey has sailed.

[JustAnotherGen]

16. Yeah

It's going to be rough around here this election.

[The Mouth]

10. Meh, I've been called "wypipo"

and even *I* get why that is a damming bit of condescension.

At least he didn't call him "a credit to his race", but pretty much the same thing.

Bloomberg is the most disgusting person to run as a Democrat since Horatio Seymour

[Wabbajack_]

56. What about George Wallace 1972?

nt

[The Mouth]

64. Yep

What a dick he was.

[wryter2000]

78. AFAIC

If I behave like a wypipo, I deserve to be called that. If I don't, I don't figure the person who uses the term is talking about me. In fact, I woke up the day after the 2016 election thinking I hated white people. Wypipo would have been a much more helpful and accurate term.

And I'm white, if you haven't figured that out already.

[The Mouth]

93. I've been called worse.

My point is that if even *I* can see that as a slur, then it's got to be pretty bad. I don't pretend to much more 'woke' than voting for the 'D'.

Personally, I care much much more about my local politics; living in CA, my vote in the presidential is pretty much meaningless.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

87. Spot on, as usual... sad but true.

Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

[JustAnotherGen]

6. If they have to tell me

They are my ally . . . perhaps they should ask themselves why that is. Perhaps a clarification is necessary.


I mean - since they know us better than we know ourselves. I mean - Since - they only stand up when it's their skin in the game.

But when it's mine . . .


I'm tired with you.

[squirecam]

8. Well

It was wrong.

But where is the same outrage over Gordon. Why didn’t Booker comment upon those racist, homphobic and sexist slurs?

Why does Shawn King not care about that?

It’s fine to be outraged. But people only seem to be outraged when it’s convenient to their candidate or position. And ignore the stuff their side/supporters are saying.

[StarfishSaver]

13. Booker never said he was "outraged"

Being "taken aback" is not the same as being outraged. Not even close.

Please don't compound insult by mischaracterizing Booker as an "angry black man."

And I couldn't care what Shaun King thinks or says about anything, so he's completely irrelevant to my OP.

[squirecam]

17. Where

Do you get angry black man from that?

The point is Shawn King and other activists are quick to post and be outraged on any slight on their favored candidate.

Yet, when it’s one he likes, *nothing*.....

You can’t be outraged for a living, but only against rivals.

Or be outraged and certain conduct, but not far far worse comments.

What Bloomberg said pales in comparison to the Gordon tweets.

[StarfishSaver]

21. Where did I get "angry black man" from you describing a black man as "outraged"?

I got it from words. Your words.

"Outraged" - def. feeling a powerful emotion of resentment or anger aroused by something perceived as an injury, insult, or injustice:

[squirecam]

26. Dude...

The outrage machine refers to this same thing. You are ignoring the fact that Shawn King tweeted his outrage on a booker slight.....but totally ignored the far far worse Gordon tweets.

And you are doing it now too.

I get it that Booker took some offense. But really, compared to Gordon.....

Why can’t you agree that Bloomberg was wrong, but Gordon is the one to be outraged against.

[StarfishSaver]

33. How does Shaun King being pissed off about something mean that Cory Booker "outraged" over it?

There is a long history of white people marveling at black people who can speak clearly, Bloomberg being the latest. What Shaun King thinks about it doesn't in any way undermine that history.

Cory Booker said he was stunned and taken aback by the comment. Shaun King being angry about doesn't impute to Cory Booker being angry.

And I don't even know who Gordon is, so I can't comment on anything concerning him.

And, by the way - I'm not a "dude."

[squirecam]

37. Right....

You don’t want to know about Gordon despite it being mentioned several times here.

You don’t care about the slurs given by the Bernie AA campaign staffer.

That is part of the problem. You’d rather not know. Or dance around it by pretending not to know.

Dude was meant in the context of “you really can’t be serious”.

But if you took offense I apologize.

[ChubbyStar]

14. Welcome back!

It is hard to stay away from such a great board like DU.

[NurseJackie]

22. ..

[pnwmom]

40. Why are you bringing Gordon, whoever that is, and Shawn King into this?

This was about the "damning with faint praise" comment Bloomberg made about Cory Booker.

[squirecam]

45. If

You cannot see it’s a problem that intentional homophobic and sexist tweets from an AA staffer from the sanders campaign are selectively ignored, but an unintended slur gets the outrage machine going on here.......then I can’t help you.

There are threads on it. If you can’t take any time to be outraged about those tweets, then don’t bother me with outrage on Bloomberg. They aren’t even in the same league.

And I’m tired of this head in the sand stuff.

[pnwmom]

48. Why not post your own OP on this separate issue? Most people aren't up on the latest

doings of Sanders STAFFERS. You could enlighten us.

[squirecam]

54. Because

There is already a thread. Right next to this one.

[pnwmom]

59. So post more in that one, rather than complaining in this one. nt

[squirecam]

65. So

You’d rather ignore it too with selective outrage.

Got it.

[Chemisse]

97. It's possible to show outrage about two different issues each on their own thread.

If you don't care about the Booker comment, why even post in this thread?

[squirecam]

101. I've said

The booker comment was wrong.

[The Valley Below]

9. The problems rests on the proposition that anyone who calls a black person "well-spoken"

must be starting with a predisposed belief that black people are generally not well-spoken.

Prima facia evidence of bigotry.

That's pretty much it.

[tonedevil]

11. The proposition is not at all inaccurate. /nt

[squirecam]

12. Well

Biden did say Obama was articulate. Then apologized.

I don’t believe that Bloomberg meant it in that way. Nor did Joe.

I think it’s campaign season. The same was True of the Harris bus debate issue.

[The Valley Below]

19. I believe Bloomberg meant it as a sincere compliment.

If I were asked to describe Cory Booker I would include articulate (or well-spoken) along with highly intelligent in the mix.

Buttigieg and Warren would receive similar praise.

And Joe, when he's good, can be very good.

[squirecam]

20. Well

I think so too. But it’s not how I think but what Booker thinks that matters.

What I *do* have a huge issue with is the Shawn King outrage machine slamming Bloomberg, but supporting Gordon, then *crickets* when the homophobic and sexist tweets are posted.

Where is his outraged commentary on that?

Don’t be outraged on Bloomberg but silent about Gordon.

[tonedevil]

24. I don't mean to be obtuse...

but I have no idea who you are referring to when you are mentioning Gordon. I may be very embarrassed for missing something obvious, but you have referenced a person by what I suppose is last name and the only person I can think of is Commissioner Gordon on Batman.

[squirecam]

31. There are threads...

Gordon was hired by sanders. Awful tweets were exposed.

Shawn King was quick to support Gordons hire and quick to vilify Bloomberg. But when the homophobic and sexist Gordon tweets were exposed.....crickets from King.

That’s the problem. The outrage is directed only to your opponents. Not to your side, which was far far far far worse comments.

[StarfishSaver]

35. What in the hell does Shaun King or this Gordon person have to do with my OP about how calling black

people articulate is offensive?

It sounds like you're just trying to stir up some shish. Please take it elsewhere.

[squirecam]

38. I see....

You only want to be selectively offended.

Got it.

[pnwmom]

42. No. Several people have told you that Gordon and Shawn King have ZERO to do with the OP.

And I'm happy to see that I have no idea who "Gordon" is. So why don't you post your own OP, if this topic is so important to you?

[tonedevil]

41. I understand who you are talking about now...

but did not when I posed the question. Style wise the first reference in a thread using the complete name can help to reduce misunderstanding. Since I'm not supporting Senator Sanders and only saw thread headlines go by as he hired and then fired Darius Khalil Gordon I don't see what you think is my side. As it turns out I don't have custody of Shawn King this week either so I can't/won't be responsible for his shortcomings. Someone registering upset at a specific thing or person doesn't actually create a responsibility to register upset at some other thing or person to balance it out. Perhaps you can be outraged at what outrages you and give others the liberty to be outraged at what they are outraged at.

[squirecam]

43. You

Certainly can have selective outrage. That’s your right.

Don’t expect much sympathy though, when you do so.

You could have simply said you now know about Gordon, and his tweets were 100% wrong.

But apparently you don’t care enough.

So why would people care about the things you are angry about. Either we are all in this together, or we are every group for themselves.

The latter won’t get any of us very far.

[tonedevil]

46. I will assume that Gordon's Tweets are 100% wrong...

this may shock you, but I haven't read any at this point and will not go out of my way to do so. From what I am reading Gordon has been let go by the Sanders Campaign so apparently they agree with you. The thing you haven't explained though is how are Gordon's Tweets connected to Bloomberg's backhanded complement?

[squirecam]

49. Yes

Please don’t go out of your way to read the thread right next to this one....

This is the problem. People are happy to be outraged when it’s their opponent. Not so much when it’s their side.

But please, don’t strain yourself.

[tonedevil]

57. When I look up...

Darius Khalil Gordon I find news that he has been let go by the Sanders Campaign. As I said, from what you have written and now the fact Gordon is out leads me to believe his Tweets have been quite offensive, but the idea that one can't criticize Bloomberg unless they have criticized this particular man doesn't really make sense.

[squirecam]

62. Bloomberg

Clearly was wrong. But it wasn’t intentional. Gordon’s tweets were.

The problem is selective outrage.

Shawn King was happy to attack Bloomberg. But crickets on Gordon, perhaps because Gordon is his friend. Or AA. Or both more likely.

When you ONLY call out your opponents, but fail to call out your friends far worse conduct, that is selective outrage.

Sanders supporters are either ignoring the issue, or feigning ignorance. It’s despicable.

And if one wants only to be selectively offended, then that tells me they aren’t in this together. Which we all need to be to win in November.

That goes for you, me, the OP, King, sanders, or anyone else.

[tonedevil]

66. Have you noticed...

Darius Khalil Gordon has been let go from the Sanders Campaign?

[squirecam]

67. Yes

It was warranted.

What is your point? That he was fired so its “over” now?

[tonedevil]

68. You are going to need to let us know the standard...

how many words of disdain for Gordon we need to produce before we can turn our attention to a different issue?

[squirecam]

70. How about Any?

So far you’ve assumed it was bad. But haven’t actually cared enough to look at the thread and see the tweets. Even though it’s very high up in this same forum.

Do you not care, because you support Bernie? Or is it because, like King, you won’t attack an AA, or friend, or both?

You are happy to be outraged at conduct by Bloomberg that was wrong. But seem really really intent on not going outside that bubble today, to address far worse issues. As in why the sanders campaign can’t stop hiring sexist and homophobic staffers. And why people selectively ignore it while screaming at conduct unintentional for which the candidate apologized.

Here, I’ll help you....

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1287&pid=371783

[tonedevil]

85. I do not support Sanders...

in his campaign to become the Democratic nominee for President in 2020. I am quite ambivalent about Shawn King he has said things I thought quite profound and things that I have thought moronic. I am loath to be aggressive in my remarks regarding African Americans as I see what could be the dictionary picture of white male privilege when I look in the mirror. That said, antisemitic and homophobic remarks, which is what I am understanding is the case with Sanders' former staffer, should not be acceptable regardless one's own ethnicity.
Trying to delegitimize someone being upset, outraged, or whatever their emotion is because they refuse to couple your outrage to thier's is not reasonable in the least. The former staffer is not something I am going to spend time on sorry if that doesn't suit you. For me the Bloomberg stupidity isn't that important, it's people on DU acting like there isn't a history of white people being in wonder at the sight of an articulate, well spoken, or clean Black Person.

[squirecam]

88. If

You are angry about the articulate/biden or Bloomberg statements, they are wrong and I join you in agreement.

If you are only upset about that, and not other more despicable conduct, that is where we part ways.

[tonedevil]

94. This particular thread...

is quite obviously about people here on DU needing to be told why a statement that could be a compliment in a different context was insulting in the context it was used. It really isn't legitimate to try to turn it into a study to compare and contrast the offensive behavior of everyone. My outrage regarding Gordon is really tempered by the fact that I had only known there was a Sanders' staffer that Tweeted offensive things for less than two hours when I learned that same fellow was let go. It was not until I asked you and got a bit of a hint that I knew what his name was.

[squirecam]

103. Well I'm 49

And I’ve known for decades that when one calls a black person articulate or the like, the hidden meaning in the past has been, “for a black person”.

I could see, potentially, how someone young today *might* not have that frame of reference.

Bloomberg certainly should.

In that respect, I understand your frustration.

[tonedevil]

106. It's painful to see...

posts here confused as to how it got to be an insult to call someone well-spoken. As an aside, I did get a look at the post OldRed2450 put up regarding the thankfully former Sanders staff guy, the four Tweets I read are a lot worse than I expected. The good thing is no one there is trying to defend the hire or Sanders.

[squirecam]

109. My thought is

It’s either those who think they have enough “cred” to be able to say such nonsense (Bill Maher syndrome) or are too young so they don’t understand the reference.

Bloomberg has neither of those “excuses” anyway, but that’s my thought.

[wryter2000]

80. Bingo

It's like O'Reilly's surprise that the people at that restaurant in NY weren't yelling, "Hey, MFer, give me some more iced tea."

The assumption that a virtue in an AA person is unusual to encounter.

[paleotn]

86. You are spot on.

[still_one]

23. Bloomberg apologized, but here is the exact quote

"Cory Booker endorsed me a number of times and I endorsed Cory Booker a number of times," Bloomberg told King. "He's very well-spoken. He's got some good ideas. It would be better the more diverse any group is. But the public is out there picking and choosing and narrowing down this field."

While some may not believe it is important, I think context is important

[StarfishSaver]

25. The context puts it into even sharper focus

His"well-spokenness" is a complete non-sequitur.

I wonder how often Bloomberg has bragged about endorsing a white politician because they were "well-spoken."

[ChubbyStar]

28. I was thinking the context is even more damning

There was no reason for Mike to bring up Cory being well spoken. Well unless he was trying to blow a racist dog whistle.....

[squirecam]

32. He

Shouldnt have said it.

[DarthDem]

27. Wow. Bloomberg Is . . .

. . . a walking disaster! Great campaign rollout to this point.

[ChubbyStar]

30. A gilded turd is still a turd

[sarisataka]

29. No explanation needed

Bloomberg doesn't really try to hide who he is...

[Doormouse]

34. Isn't there a thread from 2007

When Biden referred to Obama as “articulate and bright and clean” that would explain it all?

[marble falls]

116. How did you get to know that? I was here then and I never saw it.

[Faux pas]

36. I get it.

It's a backhanded complement people who are prejudiced use for educated black people. I'm being kind by using the word prejudiced.

[StarfishSaver]

39. "Vernon can READ!"

As a college student in the 1950s, Vernon Jordan went home to Atlanta one summer and was a chauffeur for Robert Maddox, a bank president and former Atlanta mayor. Jordan would often visit Maddox's home library while his employer napped.

One day, the boss found him there and demanded an explanation. Jordan surprised the white man by telling him he went to a predominantly white college and intended to be a lawyer. That evening, Maddox halted conversation at the dinner table as Jordan was serving food. "Vernon can read," he announced. "And he's going to school with white children." Maddox's grown children sat silent and uncomfortable as their father went on: "I knew all this was coming, but I'm glad I won't be here when it does."

https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/ct-xpm-2001-11-23-0111230003-story.html

[lettucebe]

44. It's simple -- when's the last time someone said this about a white person?

Suppose it happens sometimes if a person grew up raised by wolves perhaps, then yes, "you are so well spoken" might be a weird compliment, but not a grown man, an educated man, a United States Senator for crying out loud.

[StarfishSaver]

47. You got it

Most black people have been on the receiving end of such "compliments." We know exactly where they're coming from and what they mean.

[BeyondGeography]

51. You mean they didn't call Reagan The Great Well-Spoken Guy?

[rogue emissary]

50. I applaused your yeoman's effort.

[evertonfc]

52. It's only racist

if You assume the person saying it is a subtle racist or if you are looking for racist intent in everything. I have said that about many people of all races as a compliment. It's impressive to find well spoken in today's communication environment. To say it's subtle racism for me to say Obama was well spoken is garbage. He was and Trump isn't. Give me a fucking break. It's all about intent.

[greatauntoftriplets]

53. Can I please just shake my head at the idea this needs to be explained yet again?

Otherwise, I'll do this for a couple of hours

[Salviati]

55. If people didn't understand why it was bad to call Obama "articulate"

They aren't going to understand it this time either...

[moreland01]

58. I can't keep up with this . .

what compliments can I pay to someone who is highly educated, well-read, impressive and interesting that I can't pay to a person of color who is also those things?

[Chemisse]

99. Actually Obama is amazingly and notably articulate.

He is a great speaker, far and beyond the typical politician of any race. So in most cases, to call him articulate would not be a racist comment; it would be marveling on an attribute of an outstanding man.

Back when Obama was first running for president, people did not know what a great orator he was, so such comments then could have been rightfully perceived as racially motivated.

As far as Corey Booker goes, sure Booker is well-spoken, but not any more so than any average or above average politician, so to comment upon it is to show surprise that a black man can speak so well, and therefore is racist.

[StarfishSaver]

105. There's a difference between being articulate and being eloquent

Most people in public life are articulate - defined as "having or showing the ability to speak fluently and coherently." Calling someone articulate pretty much means you're saying they're able to communicate effectively. Well-spoken - i.e., he speaks well - means the same thing.

Obama's skill goes far beyond that. He's not simply articulate. He is able to speak in a vividly or movingly expressive or revealing manner - he possesses eloquence.

[Chemisse]

111. Very good point.

I was thinking we shouldn't demonize the word itself, but being that it really just means adequate, it is inevitably an insult to an average adult.

Eloquent is a lovely word to describe Obama.

[SaschaHM]

60. I don't explain/talk about black things on DU outside of the Afam forums anymore.

Maher's House N*gger-gate and the defenses of it here on DU just broke me.

[NurseJackie]

63. ...

[wryter2000]

82. Maher is a total asshole on many levels

Complete with a misogynist streak about a foot wide.

[redqueen]

113. *mile

And I'm so glad I missed Maher-gate. I don't want to even imagine

[Curtis]

61. Given Bloomberg's history

Of turning a blind eye to how "stop and frisk" was applied along racial lines and what it did to the black community, his use of this racist trope going back to the days of the House Ni##er being "well-spoken" during the hey day of slavery completely fits with his mindset. Is he a racist? Maybe not. Is he ignorant and insensitive to what the black community has historically, and still do, suffer through in America? Of course he is.

Also, this whataboutism of faux outrage of throwing things that some from Bernie's campaign said about someone else is just wrong. It has nothing to do with this topic and is generally a tactic used by the likes of the GOP when they have nothing to add to the discussion. WE are supposed to be better than that.

[Marthe48]

69. Chris Rock will explain:

This is from a routine he did years ago. This part was about Colin Powell. I copied the gist, edited some profanity, and put the link below:

Colin Powell can’t be president! You know how I could tell Colin Powell can’t be president? Whenever Colin Powell is on the news, white people always give him the same compliments. Always the same compliments! “How do you feel about Colin Powell?” “He speaks so well!” “He’s so well spoken!” “He speaks so well!” “I mean, he really speaks well!” “He speaks so well!” Like that’s a compliment! “Speaks so well” is not a compliment, OK? “Speaks so well” is some shit you say about retarted people that can talk! What do you mean “He speaks well”? What, he had a stroke the other day? What the f**k ??? man. How the f**k do you expect him to sound, dirty motherf**ker? What are you talking about? “He speaks so well …” What are you talking about, “he speaks so well” What voice were you looking to come out of his mouth? What the f**k did you expect him to sound like? “I’m a-drop me a bomb today!” “I’ll be pres-o-dent!” Get the f**k outta here!

https://scrapsfromtheloft.com/2018/02/17/chris-rock-bring-pain-transcript/

Perfect.

[Chemisse]

100. Well that certainly describes the issue for anyone who is confused - LOL! n/t

[Marthe48]

108. I never forgot it

and his comedic effort helped me grow.

I like Cory Booker because he is young. He is passionate. He could be a terrific president. Or v.p.
But I am not committing to any candidate right now. It is too early. And whoever ultimately gets the nomination is who I will vote for.

I am not going to criticize a single Democratic candidate. Let the repukes do that.

[BeckyDem]

71. You don't have to explain and I don't blame you.

No one talks like that to white men.

[loyalsister]

72. I see it very much like birtherism

Until Obama was elected, no one considered the possibility that someone would dare run for president if they do not meet the requirements. We take it for granted that major candidates know them and are well aware of whether or not their personal histories meet minimum requirements and then some. When Obama was elected, there was this preparedness to doubt his credibility because of his appearance. Likewise, it is taken for granted that someone who is minimally educated and an adult they will have basic communication skills. White people reveal their bigotry if they are surprised by such skills when a person is not white.

[dlk]

73. The implied end of that sentence is "...for a black man."

It’s condescending, racist and incredibly ignorant.

[Scruffy1]

74. I translate into "house negro". n/t.

[mcar]

75. You mean people actually are asking why?

He is a graduate of Stanford, Oxford and Yale Law School. He's a fcking Rhodes Scholar. Of course, he's well spoken.

Oh, neither Bloomberg nor anyone else would even think of saying that if Booker was white.

[mahina]

76. Oh mercy, he did? It's condescending and patronizing, like calling President Obama "articulate

“
What is unspoken is “for a black person”.

That’s my take.

[cwydro]

83. Don't forget "clean."

I remember that comment and being utterly astounded by it.

[mahina]

91. So insulting

[cwydro]

95. Seems to be a lot of silent folks here regarding this issue.

Interesting.

[wryter2000]

77. I'll just bet he's clean, too

There are none who are so blind as those who will not see.

[dewsgirl]

79. Yikes..talk about out of touch.

[lapfog_1]

81. because there is an unspoken phrase that always appended to the phrase he used

"For a Black Person" or "for a Negro" or "For an African American" or ...

it was always just spoken 40 years ago... now it is assumed.

Not to mention that the comment would never ever be applied to a White Male.

[JoeOtterbein]

84. I admit the responses to my OP about this...

...had me quaking with fear! I had to hide back in my den until I was sure it was ok to come out!

[paleotn]

89. Oh, dear lord.

It took Bloomberg how many days to really step in it?

In the 21st century, I would hope such implicit racism wouldn't need explaining. Then again, maybe there are others out there just as sheltered and completely out of touch..

[lunatica]

90. It's the non hateful racism

Giving a compliment to a person of color with the intimation that it’s not common for people of color to speak correctly.

It’s not hateful but it is racist.

I tried to boil it down to one sentence.

[Mike Nelson]

92. I think calling someone "well spoken" is...

... sometimes a put-down. It's something you might say to a beauty contestant after she explains why "world peace" is her fondest wish. As she stands there in her swimsuit, you say, "Oh, she's very well spoken." I found Cory Booker bombastic when I first heard him campaigning... but now I like him. I don't know if he changed or I got used to his style.

[Kurt V.]

96. white supremacy. yes its that simple and its deep. one party banks on it.

a small portion of the other party has it implicit .

[Lunabell]

102. I don't have the breath.

Hopefully everyone here at DU knows already.

[madaboutharry]

104. Booker A Rhodes Scholar with a law degree from Yale!

Is Bloomberg surprised?

Oy Vey! I need a vacation.

[redqueen]

112. No, I can't. Well I CAN, but I won't. Because Google exists. And if you give the slightest of fucks

about caring about racism, at all, then show some god-damned initiative and educate yourself.

If you don't, well that kinda says something right there, imo.

[WhiskeyGrinder]

114. White people, why are you working so hard to explain away the actual lived experience of black

people?

[StarfishSaver]

115. It's maddening, isn't it?

[treestar]

117. Just watched Howard Stern Interview of Hillary

He told her right to her face he thought she was "well-spoken," among other positive things.

[TCJ70]

118. At some point, we're going to have to believe everyone is equal...

...and that a compliment can just be a compliment. I looked up the quote. Is it a bad thing to be well spoken? Is it impossible for a white person to compliment a black person?

[Joe941]

119. How is this any worse then when Biden said about obama....

"I mean, you got the first mainstream African-American who is articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy," Biden said. "I mean, that's a storybook, man."

I'm just saying....

https://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/01/31/biden.obama/