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Sun Dec 8, 2019, 03:14 AM

 

The Democratic Party is a big tent party.

I think it's fair game to point out that certain candidates aren't appealing to certain constituencies, but stating that someone such as AOC does or does not reflect the Democratic Party is not at all useful rhetoric. It's divisive and way too simplistic.

Such rhetoric will only feed into the right wing and MSM narrative that the Democratic Party is the one that's becoming too radical, that it's the Democratic Party that has made a drastic shift (when the GOP is completely batshit crazy). How many times do we have to hear "too far left" without ever hearing "too far right" before we wake the fuck up and counter that asinine narrative? At the very least, can we please not contribute/promote that bullshit narrative?

The Democratic Party is a big tent party, not the monolith that the Republican Party is. It's incredibly simplistic to suggest the party is this or that, or at this place or that place.
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Reply The Democratic Party is a big tent party. (Original post)
Garrett78 Dec 2019 OP
The Valley Below Dec 2019 #1
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question everything Dec 2019 #3
Garrett78 Dec 2019 #4
YOHABLO Dec 2019 #7
The Valley Below Dec 2019 #10
Cha Dec 2019 #11
Cha Dec 2019 #16
betsuni Dec 2019 #23
Demsrule86 Dec 2019 #27
StarfishSaver Dec 2019 #33
Cha Dec 2019 #13
Garrett78 Dec 2019 #14
Cha Dec 2019 #15
The Valley Below Dec 2019 #17
Cha Dec 2019 #18
Garrett78 Dec 2019 #21
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LiberalLovinLug Dec 2019 #19
YOHABLO Dec 2019 #5
Garrett78 Dec 2019 #6
YOHABLO Dec 2019 #8
The Valley Below Dec 2019 #9
Cha Dec 2019 #12
stopdiggin Dec 2019 #20
Garrett78 Dec 2019 #22
stopdiggin Dec 2019 #28
Garrett78 Dec 2019 #29
ms liberty Dec 2019 #25
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StarfishSaver Dec 2019 #30
Garrett78 Dec 2019 #32
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Response to Garrett78 (Original post)

Sun Dec 8, 2019, 03:21 AM

1. The GOP is batshit crazy.

 

It is vital that we don't follow in their footsteps.
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Response to The Valley Below (Reply #1)

Sun Dec 8, 2019, 03:24 AM

2. And it's vital that we not invent false equivalencies between, say, AOC and Gohmert or Gaetz.

 

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Response to Garrett78 (Original post)

Sun Dec 8, 2019, 03:50 AM

3. I think that it is AOC who wants to set herself as the image of the party.

 

Whatever happened to a newly elected taking a back seat, to listen and to learn?

We can hope that if moderates and independents find the Republican Party too far right, that they will conclude that they should find home in the Democratic Party. But if AOC and Sanders - who is not eve a Democrat - and Warren are now the image of the party, they will decide that this cannot be their home.

And if Warren declares who should and who should not participate in the Democratic debate, or who is running in the ‘wrong primaries” while leading in the polls, then this negates the idea of a big tent.
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Response to question everything (Reply #3)

Sun Dec 8, 2019, 03:52 AM

4. But it was Biden who made the divisive generalization about where "the party" is. It's a big tent.

 

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Response to Garrett78 (Reply #4)

Sun Dec 8, 2019, 03:55 AM

7. When Biden says "The Party'' he has his own master's definition of it. Not a big tent ''party''.

 

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Response to YOHABLO (Reply #7)

Sun Dec 8, 2019, 04:06 AM

10. Who is Biden's "master?"

 

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Response to YOHABLO (Reply #7)

Sun Dec 8, 2019, 04:12 AM

11. Whoa! What are you talking about? ".. his own master's definition.. "

 

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Response to YOHABLO (Reply #7)

Sun Dec 8, 2019, 04:37 AM

16. Cri;ckets on the "..master's.."? No Comment about

 

wth you're talking about?
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Response to YOHABLO (Reply #7)

Sun Dec 8, 2019, 06:10 AM

23. "his own master's definition"

 

What are you talking about?
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Response to YOHABLO (Reply #7)

Sun Dec 8, 2019, 11:54 AM

27. Biden doesn't have a master...never did which is why he was one of the poorest Senators despite

 

years in the Senate and rising to a prominent place in the senate.
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Response to YOHABLO (Reply #7)

Sun Dec 8, 2019, 05:22 PM

33. Master? Who is Biden's "Master"?

 

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Response to Garrett78 (Reply #4)

Sun Dec 8, 2019, 04:30 AM

13. NO.. AOC & BS have already made this "DIVISIVE"..

 

Were you not aware of all that's been said? And, yes this needs repeating...





https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1287&pid=314341

I think Joe Biden was nicer about her than what she had to say about him..'

Ocasio-Cortez says prospect of Biden run 'does not particularly animate me'

https://www.democraticunderground.com/128768950

Ocasio-Cortez on Biden: 'I think that he's not a pragmatic choice ...

https://www.democraticunderground.com/1287166468
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Response to Cha (Reply #13)

Sun Dec 8, 2019, 04:31 AM

14. So, the argument is that 2 wrongs make a right?

 

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Response to Garrett78 (Reply #14)

Sun Dec 8, 2019, 04:35 AM

15. Did you speak out when BS & AOC were being "divsive"?

 

'Cause that would have been really nice.
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Response to Cha (Reply #15)

Sun Dec 8, 2019, 04:40 AM

17. Don't you know.

 

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Response to The Valley Below (Reply #17)

Sun Dec 8, 2019, 04:41 AM

18. No.. I was hoping for a "yes".

 

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Response to Cha (Reply #15)

Sun Dec 8, 2019, 06:02 AM

21. I've been highly critical of Sanders, including for divisiveness.

 

The topic at hand, though, was Biden's recent remarks. This is like when a parent tells a child, "We're not discussing Suzie right now. We're talking about you."
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Response to Garrett78 (Reply #21)

Sun Dec 8, 2019, 06:23 AM

24. Good.. I appreciate you calling out BS for his "divisiveness"..

 

yes, you're talking about Biden.. I'm saying I haven't liked what AOC says about him.

The "Big Tent Party" is in the middle of primary vetting season.. Biden is making a point about their differences.





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Response to question everything (Reply #3)

Sun Dec 8, 2019, 04:42 AM

19. I think some are just naturaly born leaders, and AOC is one of them.

 

Some come out of the gate swinging. Others hide behind decorum. Some roll up their sleeves. Others wait for talking points.

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Response to Garrett78 (Original post)

Sun Dec 8, 2019, 03:53 AM

5. We can not stop the MSM from saying anything. They'll mold and contorte for corporate America.

 

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Response to YOHABLO (Reply #5)

Sun Dec 8, 2019, 03:55 AM

6. That's too defeatist. I think Democrats can impact the dominant narrative with...

 

...a vigilance and strength of message. For instance, there was never sufficient pushback against the "liberal media" narrative, and that became a household term, which has cost us dearly.
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Response to Garrett78 (Reply #6)

Sun Dec 8, 2019, 03:57 AM

8. I didn't come up with the term "liberal media'' did you? Gee wonder who did?

 

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Response to YOHABLO (Reply #8)

Sun Dec 8, 2019, 03:59 AM

9. How are your attacks on the press any better?

 

Worrisome stuff for a free society.
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Response to Garrett78 (Reply #6)

Sun Dec 8, 2019, 04:21 AM

12. How "defeatist" is this?... any comment? And, AOC can speak out but Biden can't?

 





https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1287&pid=314341

I think Joe Biden was nicer about her than what she had to say about him..'

Ocasio-Cortez says prospect of Biden run 'does not particularly animate me'

https://www.democraticunderground.com/128768950

Ocasio-Cortez on Biden: 'I think that he's not a pragmatic choice ...

https://www.democraticunderground.com/1287166468
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Response to Garrett78 (Original post)

Sun Dec 8, 2019, 05:46 AM

20. Agree that the Democrats are a big tent

 

But it also seems as though some of our players are more comfortable with that idea than others. I'm all for civility and respect, as long as I'm on the receiving end of the same consideration and courtesy. I would never suggest that AOC is not a Democrat, or that she is not representative of a portion of that big tent. I just wish that I always felt like Bernie or AOC thought I deserved my place under that tent as well. Forbearance and respect kind of go both ways. And I'm not sure it's always working that way.
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Response to stopdiggin (Reply #20)

Sun Dec 8, 2019, 06:04 AM

22. Sure, but the topic at hand was Biden's recent remarks.

 

See post #21.
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Response to Garrett78 (Reply #22)

Sun Dec 8, 2019, 03:14 PM

28. thanks for the clarification

 

But, Garrett .. you realize there is no mention of Biden (or Biden remarks) in your post? How was I to know?

I'll reiterate, all for inclusion and team play .. as long as it's not a one way street.
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Response to stopdiggin (Reply #28)

Sun Dec 8, 2019, 03:34 PM

29. Fair point. I was wanting to make a general point about a bogus narrative, but...

 

...the inspiration for the thread was another thread about comments made by Biden.

Biden, though, is far from being the only one who helps push the bullshit narrative that suggests it's the Democratic Party and not the Republican Party that is going off the deep end. Sometimes I can't help but think Democrats are trying to be so bad at messaging. It's hard to believe they're just naturally that clueless. Again, how many times do we have to listen to "too far left" while never hearing "too far right" before it dawns on us that we need to push back against that bullshit instead of contributing to it?
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Response to Garrett78 (Original post)

Sun Dec 8, 2019, 09:04 AM

25. I agree with you. But all you have to do is read the comments

 

On this thread and others, and you see the noisy ones who are totally invested in promoting the divisions, ostensibly in defense of their alleged preferred candidate.
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Response to Garrett78 (Original post)

Sun Dec 8, 2019, 09:12 AM

26. AOC reflects one element of the Democratic party as established in HER district

 

We are a big tent party and NO single democratic politician or candidate reflects the entire spectrum but we come together as a mutual front against a political ideology we are all disgusted with. That is a lesson many need to understand and learn. I grew tired of the "Bernie Bros" crap last election cycle and we ware being hit with similar divisive tactic as we are seeing at the moment.
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Response to Garrett78 (Original post)

Sun Dec 8, 2019, 03:37 PM

30. This is so true

 

One of my beefs with some people on our side is their insistence that if our leaders try to factor in the concerns and opinions of the more conservative elements, they're selling out and they must instead listen to and cater to only the most progressive end of our party. I saw people do this to President Obama consistently, berating him for governing too much "in the middle" and not forcing through the most liberal version of every policy they wanted.

In other words, they don't have a problem with the way Trump governs. They want Democratic leaders to govern just like he does - interested only in a narrow segment of the base. They just want that narrow segment to be them and screw everyone else - Trumpism of the left.
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Response to StarfishSaver (Reply #30)

Sun Dec 8, 2019, 05:07 PM

32. There are those who suggest the parties are the same and falsely accuse the Democratic Party...

 

...of subscribing to neoliberalism. And there are those who constantly beat the "too far left" drum and give the impression that it's the Democratic Party and not the Republican Party that has gone (or is at risk of going) off the deep end. And then you've got both moderates and leftists (everyone from Tim Ryan to Bernie Sanders) who criticize or are dismissive of anti-racists and anti-sexists as playing a "race/gender card" or wanting diversity just for diversity's sake.

All of that shit needs to stop. None of it is to our advantage as a party or, frankly, as a species moving forward.
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Response to Garrett78 (Original post)

Sun Dec 8, 2019, 04:02 PM

31. K&R nt

 

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