Democratic Primaries
Related: About this forumThe Democratic Party is a big tent party.
I think it's fair game to point out that certain candidates aren't appealing to certain constituencies, but stating that someone such as AOC does or does not reflect the Democratic Party is not at all useful rhetoric. It's divisive and way too simplistic.
Such rhetoric will only feed into the right wing and MSM narrative that the Democratic Party is the one that's becoming too radical, that it's the Democratic Party that has made a drastic shift (when the GOP is completely batshit crazy). How many times do we have to hear "too far left" without ever hearing "too far right" before we wake the fuck up and counter that asinine narrative? At the very least, can we please not contribute/promote that bullshit narrative?
The Democratic Party is a big tent party, not the monolith that the Republican Party is. It's incredibly simplistic to suggest the party is this or that, or at this place or that place.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
The Valley Below
(1,701 posts)It is vital that we don't follow in their footsteps.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Garrett78
(10,721 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
question everything
(47,271 posts)Whatever happened to a newly elected taking a back seat, to listen and to learn?
We can hope that if moderates and independents find the Republican Party too far right, that they will conclude that they should find home in the Democratic Party. But if AOC and Sanders - who is not eve a Democrat - and Warren are now the image of the party, they will decide that this cannot be their home.
And if Warren declares who should and who should not participate in the Democratic debate, or who is running in the wrong primaries while leading in the polls, then this negates the idea of a big tent.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Garrett78
(10,721 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
YOHABLO
(7,358 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
The Valley Below
(1,701 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(295,929 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(295,929 posts)wth you're talking about?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
betsuni
(25,138 posts)What are you talking about?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Demsrule86
(68,352 posts)years in the Senate and rising to a prominent place in the senate.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
StarfishSaver
(18,486 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(295,929 posts)Were you not aware of all that's been said? And, yes this needs repeating...
Link to tweet
Link to tweet
https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1287&pid=314341
I think Joe Biden was nicer about her than what she had to say about him..'
Ocasio-Cortez says prospect of Biden run 'does not particularly animate me'
https://www.democraticunderground.com/128768950
Ocasio-Cortez on Biden: 'I think that he's not a pragmatic choice ...
https://www.democraticunderground.com/1287166468
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Garrett78
(10,721 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Cha
(295,929 posts)'Cause that would have been really nice.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
The Valley Below
(1,701 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(295,929 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Garrett78
(10,721 posts)The topic at hand, though, was Biden's recent remarks. This is like when a parent tells a child, "We're not discussing Suzie right now. We're talking about you."
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Cha
(295,929 posts)yes, you're talking about Biden.. I'm saying I haven't liked what AOC says about him.
The "Big Tent Party" is in the middle of primary vetting season.. Biden is making a point about their differences.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
LiberalLovinLug
(14,154 posts)Some come out of the gate swinging. Others hide behind decorum. Some roll up their sleeves. Others wait for talking points.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
YOHABLO
(7,358 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Garrett78
(10,721 posts)...a vigilance and strength of message. For instance, there was never sufficient pushback against the "liberal media" narrative, and that became a household term, which has cost us dearly.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
YOHABLO
(7,358 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
The Valley Below
(1,701 posts)Worrisome stuff for a free society.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(295,929 posts)Link to tweet
Link to tweet
https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1287&pid=314341
I think Joe Biden was nicer about her than what she had to say about him..'
Ocasio-Cortez says prospect of Biden run 'does not particularly animate me'
https://www.democraticunderground.com/128768950
Ocasio-Cortez on Biden: 'I think that he's not a pragmatic choice ...
https://www.democraticunderground.com/1287166468
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
stopdiggin
(11,095 posts)But it also seems as though some of our players are more comfortable with that idea than others. I'm all for civility and respect, as long as I'm on the receiving end of the same consideration and courtesy. I would never suggest that AOC is not a Democrat, or that she is not representative of a portion of that big tent. I just wish that I always felt like Bernie or AOC thought I deserved my place under that tent as well. Forbearance and respect kind of go both ways. And I'm not sure it's always working that way.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Garrett78
(10,721 posts)See post #21.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
stopdiggin
(11,095 posts)But, Garrett .. you realize there is no mention of Biden (or Biden remarks) in your post? How was I to know?
I'll reiterate, all for inclusion and team play .. as long as it's not a one way street.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Garrett78
(10,721 posts)...the inspiration for the thread was another thread about comments made by Biden.
Biden, though, is far from being the only one who helps push the bullshit narrative that suggests it's the Democratic Party and not the Republican Party that is going off the deep end. Sometimes I can't help but think Democrats are trying to be so bad at messaging. It's hard to believe they're just naturally that clueless. Again, how many times do we have to listen to "too far left" while never hearing "too far right" before it dawns on us that we need to push back against that bullshit instead of contributing to it?
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
ms liberty
(8,479 posts)On this thread and others, and you see the noisy ones who are totally invested in promoting the divisions, ostensibly in defense of their alleged preferred candidate.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
beachbumbob
(9,263 posts)We are a big tent party and NO single democratic politician or candidate reflects the entire spectrum but we come together as a mutual front against a political ideology we are all disgusted with. That is a lesson many need to understand and learn. I grew tired of the "Bernie Bros" crap last election cycle and we ware being hit with similar divisive tactic as we are seeing at the moment.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
StarfishSaver
(18,486 posts)One of my beefs with some people on our side is their insistence that if our leaders try to factor in the concerns and opinions of the more conservative elements, they're selling out and they must instead listen to and cater to only the most progressive end of our party. I saw people do this to President Obama consistently, berating him for governing too much "in the middle" and not forcing through the most liberal version of every policy they wanted.
In other words, they don't have a problem with the way Trump governs. They want Democratic leaders to govern just like he does - interested only in a narrow segment of the base. They just want that narrow segment to be them and screw everyone else - Trumpism of the left.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Garrett78
(10,721 posts)...of subscribing to neoliberalism. And there are those who constantly beat the "too far left" drum and give the impression that it's the Democratic Party and not the Republican Party that has gone (or is at risk of going) off the deep end. And then you've got both moderates and leftists (everyone from Tim Ryan to Bernie Sanders) who criticize or are dismissive of anti-racists and anti-sexists as playing a "race/gender card" or wanting diversity just for diversity's sake.
All of that shit needs to stop. None of it is to our advantage as a party or, frankly, as a species moving forward.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
backtoblue
(11,323 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden