Politico Magazine: Why some on the left (esp Jacobin magazine) have turned on Warren

[highplainsdem]

Long and interesting piece

https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2019/12/08/elizabeth-warren-jacobin-socialist-left-072693

on why Jacobin in particular is going after Warren, and how this is dividing progressives.

I'm not going to summarize it or post excerpts -- it should be read in full -- but I wanted to post the link here for Warren supporters who might wonder what's going on, and for Sanders supporters who might agree or disagree with what Jacobin is doing.

[pangaia]

1. ok started reading..

why in the heck do so many articles about stuff take so long to get to "the question??"
I rarely read most of them for just this reason..


Not until paragraph 7 does the author in this case start to give answers..


Ah, yes, the eternal... need 2500 words...

In thins case , I will go on a little further..

[George II]

3. Yes, it's like many of those "Packman" and "TYT" videos that are posted. Seven or eight minute....

....videos with about 30 seconds of content.

[tblue37]

7. + a Brazilian. nt

[LisaM]

15. Even recipes force you to wade through anecdotes.

It's annoying.

[pangaia]

21. HA HA... yup

[George II]

2. Jacobin has turned on her because she's the biggest threat to attract Sanders voters.

[pangaia]

5. There ya go. next article...

[KPN]

10. Yup -- didn't even have to read it to figure that out.

[Me.]

4. I Read Partly

and to me it seems like another hit job on Warren by the bs faction. Had enough of Dems on Dems. Frankly, I haven't stated a choice as I will vote for whoever is our nom, but I hope it isn't him as I do not like the people aligned with him.

[still_one]

8. I feel exactly the same way as you do

[Me.]

26. ...

[Lexee]

27. Really there is only one Dem in the equation so,

in this case, not really Dem on Dem attack. One has had a five decade history of attack on Dems, while using Dems.

[Me.]

29. You Are Quite Right

and I'm sick of that too...

[Lexee]

30. I cannot imagine a campaign that is serious in our Democratic Party primary

with a man sitting at 80, just having had a serious heart attack, not a Democrat, that will hire the person (VP) to take his place if he dies in office. Especially after his hiring record over the last 3 years and especially the last year. While in the democratic Party.

It blows my mind that he is even a contender and someone like a smart, accomplished, solid Democrat like Harris stepped out this week.

[Cha]

31. I don't even have to read it.. I know what

jacobin is about from reading previous sickening tweets.

[Me.]

34. You're Ahead Of Me. Here

But then I've read that the small 'c' calvary was fast

[BeyondGeography]

6. Who knew? Krystal Ball video clips are "enlightening" too

Why not post those as well?

Your desire to educate Warren supporters is touching, really.

[highplainsdem]

11. This piece is much more thoughtful and interesting than anything Krystal Ball has

said lately.

And I am curious about the reaction of Warren and Sanders supporters, especially those who've suggested supporters of the two candidates could coalesce, as if on one ticket, to oppose Biden.

This piece also may help explain in part why Warren has been losing some supporters to Sanders. Her loss of support to Buttigieg is probably largely due to the complications she ran into with MFA.

[BeyondGeography]

14. Right...Don't kid a kidder

[highplainsdem]

16. You might be a kidder, but I'm not.

[Cha]

32. LOL.. Here's a couple of the Krystal Ball tweets you asked for..

Link to tweet

Looks like this stupid tweet was deleted but I copied it..

"The Progressive case against Ukrainegate", K Ball suggests Pelosi & Dems are impeaching trump to to keep Bernie Sanders off the campaign trial."

In a segment titled “The Progressive case against Ukrainegate”, Krystal Ball suggest Pelosi and Dems are impeaching Donald Trump to keep Bernie Sanders off the campaign trial.

Aaron Mate replies, “I don’t know what goes on behind closed doors.”

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1287&pid=357699

[BeyondGeography]

33. Look, the cavalry is here

What took you so long?

[Cha]

35. All you have are your silly insults.

[OilemFirchen]

9. Rich Yeselson, contributing editor of "Dissent", calls Bhaskar Sunkara "kind of a genius".

Here's the first quote from Sunkara, with my emphasis:

“We can’t directly convert people,” he said. “What we can do is try to cohere together—from all these different strands and threads—some sort of left opposition to liberalism, give it a name and call it democratic socialism, and create a debating grounds for these broad sets of ideas.”

That's fucking dazzling, innit?

[highplainsdem]

13. I don't consider it dazzling or at all indocative of genius. Just evidence of some in the party

moving way too far left, taking their eyes off the prize of winning in a general election.

[OilemFirchen]

17. That was facetious. I thought it would be apparent. (n/t)

[highplainsdem]

18. I realized you were being facetious. I was just adding my opinion. I'm not a fan of Jacobin.

[mathematic]

28. Socialism is an opposition to liberalism

I wish more liberals knew this before engaging with socialists, who do know this.

Sunkara, a socialist, isn't trying to "cohere together" socialists and liberals or convert conservatives to liberals. Sunkara and his magazine Jacobin, are trying to destroy liberalism and set up socialism as the only alternative to conservatism.

[Cha]

36. "We can't directly convert people.. " But, we can

gaslight the hell out them.."

[redqueen]

12. To me it seems like Jacobin acts as a functional arm of the Sanders campaign.

Do they ever criticize him?

[highplainsdem]

19. No idea. My main exposure to Jacobin has been through quotes/links of their attacks on Biden

that I've seen tweeted this past year. Lots of attacks on Biden. I hadn't been aware they'd turned on Warren until I saw this Politico piece.

[redqueen]

24. They love attacking Yang as well. nt

[mopinko]

20. i've got one ??- who pays the bills?

has anyone followed the money here?

honestly, if bernie doesnt make a stand against ratfucking, he is public enemy #1 in my book.

[highplainsdem]

25. Couldn't find anything on its current funding, but the Wikipedia article on Jacobin links to a 2016

Vox article on the magazine's first years, which included some info current then:

https://www.vox.com/2016/3/21/11265092/jacobin-bhaskar-sunkara

And Jacobin’s leadership runs it like a business. “We’re all organized around the same goal: traffic,” Sunkara declared at one point. Checking subscription revenue in Stripe is, he declared, “honestly my favorite part of the day.”

Jacobin is not dependent on the backing of a major corporation or a wealthy donor, which is unusual for a left-wing publication in today’s publishing landscape. It makes the overwhelming share of its money the old-fashioned way: by selling subscriptions and print copies. That provides about $500,000 in revenue annually, enough to pay for printing costs and salaries and have a bit left over for a rainy day.

[SharonClark]

22. Why would we expect anything else from Jacobin

It's a self-defined socialist magazine that even Chris Hayes describes as "it's very explicitly on the radical left, and sort of hostile to liberal accommodationism. There’s a lot in there that I don’t necessarily agree with, but it’s bracingly rigorous and polemical in a really thought-provoking way. It’s a really well-done publication, almost preternaturally good" on Jacobin's About Us.

[Lobster Sauce]

23. Bottom line is this...

When Warren comes out and says she's a capitalist to her bones, and stands up and applauds Trump when he proclaims the US will never adopt socialist policies, there will be problems for many in the leftist tent. I think you asked if Sanders is also criticized by leftists? Unmercifully in camps of the anti-capitalist and anti-imperialist left. For Jacobin and the DSA, Sanders represents the best vehicle for more "radical change." Sanders is no radical on that count. He is a New Deal type of progressive who will try to go a bit further with reform than Warren. Neither are anti-capitalist or anti-imperialist on leftist grounds.

[Cha]

37. Thanks for exposing jacobin, hpd.