Joe Biden Doubles Down On Heated Town Hall Where He Called Voter A Liar

[Hassin Bin Sober]

https://www.npr.org/2019/12/07/785749848/biden-doubles-down-on-heated-town-hall-where-he-called-voter-a-damn-liar

Voters say they felt Biden's tone was off-putting, especially from a candidate who talks a lot about restoring civility. Biden argues he was just telling it like it is.

"That's not civil?" Biden said. "To call someone who lied a liar?"

One woman, Mary Clark, who is 94, told NPR before a Biden event Friday in Elkader, Iowa, that she was "so disappointed in Biden. That is not the Joe I know. He sounded like Donald Trump in that clip."

[DarthDem]

1. So Glad for Trash Thread Option

n/t

[Thekaspervote]

8. Isn't it just tiring??

They love their candidate so so much, but instead of posting something positive about them they go negative.

It does nothing to change the minds of voters and really does not help their candidate

[still_one]

19. All I can say is Sanders' supporters must be very insecure to keep pushing this BS

[LonePirate]

26. Don't blame Bernie supporters for this. The OP is from a Biden supporter.

[still_one]

34. You think so. Then you haven't seen the OPs previous posts, or preferences

I stand by my statement

Just do a search if you care to see who the OP really supports

But then again I suspect you are aware of that, and know whose messing with who

[George II]

44. Are you serious?

[NurseJackie]

49. Haaaaaa!

[TexasTowelie]

52. That only a day or two ago was a Bernie supporter.

Nobody is being fooled by the malarkey.

[Peacetrain]

53. ROFL!..not hardly..

[loyalsister]

2. It's a shame he didn't learn more from Obama

Obama's civility and modesty were two of my favorite things about him.

[beachbumbob]

3. It's also why bush and Cheney were not held accountable for war crimes,

and thousands of people went unpunished for the ripoffs in the housing crash. Being civil? I'm proud Biden called out the liar, we need more, not less

[loyalsister]

6. That had more to do with pleasing conservatives

than witth showing class and decency.

[emmaverybo]

16. He's not Obama, but there's this:

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

18. 100%... you'd think Joe would have learned this from Obama over the 8 yrs he served with him.

Civility is an important part of demonstrating a candidate's ability to be presidential... hopefully, Joe has learned from this negative experience and will do better the next time he is questioned on the subject.


Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

[PatSeg]

22. Learned from Obama?

Like Joe was the student to Obama? One of the reasons Joe was on the ticket was because of his vast foreign policy and legislative to offset Obama's inexperience. He is his own person, not an apprentice to Barack Obama.

Democrats need to start calling out lies in real time, before they take root. If Biden flew off the handle all the time, then I'd say it was a problem, but he was right to get angry when someone attacks his integrity and his family.

[loyalsister]

28. They both ran for president in 2008

It would stand to reason that the person who was successful would be the teacher when it comes to presidential politics.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

30. Woooaahhhhh... you're being WAY too logical!! hahaha!! Of course, you're right...

but to suggest Joe could learn a thing or two from Obama... that's heresy to some.


Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

[PatSeg]

35. I don't picture Biden

sitting at the knee of Obama to soak in his wisdom. I think they were a great team together and both benefited tremendously from the experience. Though Joe openly admired Obama and showed him great loyalty, I seriously doubt either of them saw Obama as the "teacher".

[Tipperary]

29. Yes.

I do not find this macho Joe a good look.

[RandySF]

42. Obama didn't see his children raked across the coals by right wing nutjobs.

[ritapria]

4. Do you know what Joe said yesterday ?

" I may be Irish but I'm not stupid '

[redqueen]

46. Ugh nt

[George II]

5. I don't know of anyone who, when blatantly lied to about his/her family....

....would not call that person a liar. Especially when it's hinted that he did something illegal or unethical.

[stonecutter357]

7. good let's go Joe !

[emmaverybo]

9. Good. Joe called a liar a liar.

You go, Joe!
America and the world need you.

[doc03]

10. That may get him some votes from Trumpets. mt

[The Valley Below]

11. Excellent. He should triple-down and quadruple-down

Democrats want a fighter to take on Trump.

Rabid Joe is just the person for the job.

Clear as day.

[emmaverybo]

12. [phone]

[gulliver]

45. Yep. He's in the right and standing his ground.

[Sloumeau]

13. To me, it just shows that when Trump starts lying at the Presidential Debates, Biden...

...won't put up with Trump's lies either. I don't blame Biden for not putting up with the endless lies. The difference is, we Democrats do not encourage our fans to punch Republicans in the face as Trump does.

[stlstdg]

14. I think Joe did a great job; screw the media

I'm so tired of the zeitgeist that's been prevalent for the past twenty plus years
(actively aided and abetted by the mainstream media) that while Republicans can
spew insults, invectives, profanity and threats to their heart's content, can play dirty
tricks to the fullest extent that they want, but that Democrats/progressives have to
be bound by the most strict standards of restraint, fairness, and civility. Even worse,
a lot of prominent Democrats have internalized this.

The writer(s) of that NPR article, it seems, had enforcement of that objective in mind,
and went out of their way to find people who were "so disappointed."

I've long held the conviction that among the reasons Republicans have been so much more
successful than they should be, given their horrible ideas, is their image of relentlessness
aggressiveness. So many of Trump's followers have pointed out how much they like his
attitude, his "alpha male" brashness.

It is Democrats' perceived instinct to not fight, but always be on the defensiveness, to always
back down, on the other hand, that I think has held them back.

How is what Joe did any different than what Nancy Pelosi (a true bad ass) did to that reporter.
I've replayed the videos of both those encounters numerous times and am giddy each time.
I want more Democrats to start rolling up their sleeves and doing the same thing, We've tried
restraint, fairness, and civility long enough, and look where it's gotten us. Barack Obama,
the best President in my lifetime, extended his hand to Republicans/conservative time after time,
only to have them spit in it.

Enough.

What Joe did is a strong indication that he has what it takes to take on Trump, and I hope he
keeps it up. I'm coming to respect him more and more.

[PatSeg]

25. Exactly

Republicans have been setting Democrats up for years, knowing they will try to be reasonable, often apologizing when there is no need. Always being on the defensive makes Dems look weak and often guilty. No one wants leaders who are angry and aggressive all the time, but they do want leaders who will stand up for what is right and not back down.

[MustLoveBeagles]

37. Very well said

And welcome to DU

[stlstdg]

38. Thank you, friend!

I appreciate it!

The syntax and punctuation of my post was not the greatest.
I was so annoyed at that NPR excerpt that I wrote it in a hurry.

I'm still a Mayor Pete guy, but if "Fight'n Joe" wins the nomination,
I'll be a very enthusiastic supporter.

[MustLoveBeagles]

61. My posts don't aren't perfect either

I'm notorious for leaving whole words out and have to edit often. I like Mayor Pete too. After Beto dropped out Joe Biden move to the number one slot. Pete's moved up to number two.

[The Valley Below]

41. You mention Nancy Pelosi.

And I think to myself, we have two Democratic leaders who not only seem immune to Trump's toxic BS, but are total bad-asses who make always make Trump look small.

They are bad asses who know just how to deal with bullies. One is Nancy Pelosi. The other is Joe Biden. And it looks like we have some up and comers who know how to fight.

I love your post, BTW. Outstanding!

[beastie boy]

15. You omitted the last paragraph from your excerpt. Let me correct your clearly inadvetent oversight:

One woman, Mary Clark, who is 94, told NPR before a Biden event Friday in Elkader, Iowa, that she was "so disappointed in Biden. That is not the Joe I know. He sounded like Donald Trump in that clip."

Biden wholly dismissed that comparison. "Donald Trump, he makes fun of people. He belittles people. He lies. I don't do any of those things. Period."

This is why I admire Biden. He does not take false equivalencies lightly, by omission or otherwise.

[quickesst]

17. I keep this on standby....

.... because it happens so frequently.

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[PatSeg]

23. Oh, I like that!

[LakeArenal]

51. Love it.

[quickesst]

56. in that case...

.... have another.

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[LakeArenal]

57. Peek-A-Joe❣️

[quickesst]

59. ha!

Good one!

[bitterross]

20. Good for Joe! I'm sick and tired of Dems rolling over.

It's one thing to be civil, it's another to allow oneself to be rolled over by liars. Joe did the right thing. He shut down a lie at its very inception. We need a lot more of that. Not less of it.

Hillary should have doubled-down on "deplorables." It certainly wasn't going to hurt her chances with them. She didn't have a chance to begin with.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

32. I agree with you about Hillary on her use of "deplorables"... had she followed your advice

I suspect Hillary would have clobbered Dolt45.


Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

[Lady_Chat]

21. Obama had civil opponents. Biden has Trump.

Which includes Trump's bottom of the barrel supporters. I remember John McCain defending Obama when a voter called him a "Muslim" in a very derogatory manner. You will never see that with Trump.

I'm not suggesting Biden start insulting POW's, or mocking the disabled, or calling women dogs, pigs or horse face. But damn it, it felt so good to see Biden get angry and defend himself. What is it with Democrats? it's like we always have to walk on eggshells and worry about offending anyone, and if we should, an apology is not enough. While Trump comes out with anything he feels like saying and his supporters love it..."because he is honest", or as my cousin a Trump supporter says: "No one is perfect." Yeah, that's how she defends him.

I'm glad Joe got angry and called that trump supporter a liar, and I love Joe's new ad. I've seen a lot of positive feedback, Joe came as strong and ready to fight. Joe is a civil man, but I think like anyone, there's a line you don't cross.

Sorry about the 94 year old woman being upset, or any one else but the times are changing. If you are going up against Trump and his supporters you better know how to give it right back, not just take it. I just wish Democrats would stop eating their own over every damn little thing.

[PatSeg]

24. Well said

I think people are tired of Democrats apologizing all the time, often when they've done nothing wrong other than getting unjustly attack by the opposition and the media. If you're wrong, by all means apologize, but if you're right, stand your ground. No need to walk it back or over explain. It looks weak and that is why republicans make trivial accusations about Democrats.

[redqueen]

47. Obama had civil opponents? nt

[The Valley Below]

50. Bravo!

[obnoxiousdrunk]

27. Good for Joe ..

[evertonfc]

33. Dear Mary Clark

bless your heart. Sounded like Trump? WTF... Don't apologize Joe. Stand your ground. I can't believe that this is a thing

[progressoid]

36. That guy in New Hampton was clearly a fox trumper but Biden did not handle it well.

This isn't going to go away. If he's going to be the nominee, he's going to have to come up with a better strategy to deal with this.

[emmaverybo]

40. Calling a liar a liar and denouncing RW talking

points by refusing to engage with them is a good policy. It’s the new Dem mad as hell strategy Nancy employed too. No, that direct taking the bull by the horns approach is not going away.

[Gothmog]

39. This issue is bogus

Link to tweet

[LanternWaste]

43. Gonna try to milk this one for another week, eh?

Well, I guess I'd throw whatever was available at the wall too if my candidate's campaign was an abject failure.

[George II]

48. I'm sure we'll see this a couple of more times.

[TexasTowelie]

55. Desperately hoping that the P. T. Barnum saying still applies. nt

[LakeArenal]

54. Damned if he says damned if he doesn't.

Which is it? Sleepy weak Joe when he doesn’t stand up for himself, uncivil Joe when he does. And it seems the same characters call it both ways.

Joe is going to win. That’s what the true story is.

[Gothmog]

58. That is an appropriate emotional response...when @JoeBiden responds that way, it's authentic, it'

Link to tweet

[Joe941]

60. Obama would never have done this.

[emmaverybo]

62. Obama did this:

[MasonDreams]

63. Genghis Khan, The British Empire, and the soviet onion

Couldn't hold Afghanistan. Now that we have figured out that we don't know and never did how to achieve something in Afghanistan. And with the recent lithium reserves in S. America coming soon to a market near you.

Uncle Joe could easily outsmart the mental midget in the White House.
Biden can make a deal with the Senate, military, and Intel folks and remove trump And our guys stranded in the desert. Win Win Win

Joe could get first ballot delegates and a landslide, trump could save a little face and no jail. And a few repubs stay in the Senate, not the end of the world. Troops stay alive w/o head injuries and missing limbs.

No other candidate has talked turkey with the guys that could make that happen.