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Tue Dec 10, 2019, 12:09 AM

 

I kinda like Bloomberg

Iíve always liked him and I think he was the best NYC mayor, totally turned the city around. I like his non-ideologic atheistic pragmatic worldview, like most of his positions - strong and effective on gun control, understands that healthcare is not just having health insurance, etc. I can see him building high speed rails across US and more. It matters not one bit to me that he is spending his own money. Good for him.
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AlexSFCA Dec 2019 OP
mopinko Dec 2019 #1
AlexSFCA Dec 2019 #5
liskddksil Dec 2019 #2
TwilightZone Dec 2019 #4
StevieM Dec 2019 #16
DrToast Dec 2019 #43
liskddksil Dec 2019 #44
Lexee Dec 2019 #3
Thekaspervote Dec 2019 #8
AlexSFCA Dec 2019 #14
Thekaspervote Dec 2019 #18
Amimnoch Dec 2019 #21
Lexee Dec 2019 #23
Thekaspervote Dec 2019 #28
The Valley Below Dec 2019 #9
Thekaspervote Dec 2019 #11
The Valley Below Dec 2019 #13
Thekaspervote Dec 2019 #20
The Valley Below Dec 2019 #31
Lexee Dec 2019 #22
The Valley Below Dec 2019 #24
Thekaspervote Dec 2019 #25
Lexee Dec 2019 #29
The Valley Below Dec 2019 #32
Lexee Dec 2019 #33
The Valley Below Dec 2019 #34
jrthin Dec 2019 #6
AlexSFCA Dec 2019 #10
AlexSFCA Dec 2019 #12
appalachiablue Dec 2019 #19
AlexSFCA Dec 2019 #26
liskddksil Dec 2019 #42
rickford66 Dec 2019 #7
appalachiablue Dec 2019 #15
rickford66 Dec 2019 #30
appalachiablue Dec 2019 #35
rickford66 Dec 2019 #38
Polybius Dec 2019 #37
StevieM Dec 2019 #17
CentralMass Dec 2019 #27
Laffy Kat Dec 2019 #36
redqueen Dec 2019 #39
lark Dec 2019 #40
Dem4Life1102 Dec 2019 #41
MrsCoffee Dec 2019 #45
Hortensis Dec 2019 #46
tenderfoot Dec 2019 #47
BannonsLiver Dec 2019 #48
Quackers Dec 2019 #49

Response to AlexSFCA (Original post)

Tue Dec 10, 2019, 12:12 AM

1. he's done a lot of good things, and stood up to some big lobbies.

 

we tried the soda tax here in chicago, and it was a trollfest. they backed down.

and we all loved beto for his stance on guns, but bloomie has walked that walk.

i dunno. i have the same opinion i have of most of our candidates- the more dems out there bashing trump and talking to voters and running cutting ads, the better.

at least he is actually rich.
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Response to mopinko (Reply #1)

Tue Dec 10, 2019, 12:20 AM

5. My understanding that he is in it to win it

 

I agree with him, none of the current candidates will be able to beat trump, at least not on their own. Iím hoping if Bloomberg doesnt get the nomination, heíll help the nominee. He can spend billions on purchasing airtime and facebook completely shutting off trumpís and russian disinformation.
The biggest problem with current dems, they are not at all prepared for military grade disinformation to be rolled out funded by foreign countries and hacking, email dumps, etc. That will dominate the ďnewsĒ. 2016 was just practice, we are now talking possibly about outright voting machine fraud, strategically placed.
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Response to AlexSFCA (Original post)

Tue Dec 10, 2019, 12:12 AM

2. How is he strong and effective on Gun Control when he literally endorsed GOP Senators

 

including Pat Toomey that are a vote for Mitch McConnell and against any hope of gun reform until he is no longer majority leader? He also endorsed George W. Bush who let the assualt weapons ban expire. Bloomberg is all talk and no action.
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Response to liskddksil (Reply #2)

Tue Dec 10, 2019, 12:17 AM

4. He outspent the NRA in Virginia to help Dems win

 

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/11/06/mike-bloombergs-gun-control-outspends-nra-helps-democrats-win-virginia.html

I'm not a fan of his presidential run, but that pretty clearly signifies "action".
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Response to liskddksil (Reply #2)

Tue Dec 10, 2019, 12:34 AM

16. Bush was horrible and Bloomberg's support of him is disqualifying IMO.

 

Never-the-less, it was more the fault of the GOP congress that the assault weapons ban expired. Had they voted to extend it, I believe that Bush had indicated that he would sign the bill.
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Response to liskddksil (Reply #2)

Tue Dec 10, 2019, 11:33 AM

43. Pat Toomey? Of Manchin-Toomey?

 

That guy?
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Response to DrToast (Reply #43)

Tue Dec 10, 2019, 11:47 AM

44. Yeah, that guy (Toomey) who's continued support for Massacre Mitch ensures

 

no further action even on something like Manchin-Tommey which was a weak-sauce, bare minimum, pat-your self on the back and say you did something kind of bill to begin with. That means no Universal Background checks, no Red Flag Laws, No bans on high-capacity magazines, no ban on assault weapons, no closing of loopholes, no voluntary or mandatory buybacks. Nadda zip. Nothing.
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Response to AlexSFCA (Original post)

Tue Dec 10, 2019, 12:15 AM

3. Saying there does not need to be an increase in a minimum wage that has sat stagnate is

 

offensive.
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Response to Lexee (Reply #3)

Tue Dec 10, 2019, 12:24 AM

8. Was going to post that myself! Vote for me, a billionaire, but no you can't have a living wage

 

Thinks legalization of marijuana is the dumbest thing ever suggested.

Stop telling me these guys aren't good buddies. I've got a hundred more of these.

@realDonaldTrump and @MikeBloomberg have been two peas in a pod for decades.


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Response to Thekaspervote (Reply #8)

Tue Dec 10, 2019, 12:32 AM

14. there are pictures like that of Bill and Hillary

 

and many other dems. It doesnít say much. Trump was an entertainer and his NYC based show required permission to film from Bloomberg.
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Response to AlexSFCA (Reply #14)

Tue Dec 10, 2019, 12:38 AM

18. Bloomberg has called dotard a grifter a con... yet this?? Not buyin it

 

Not to mention Bill and Hillary were NEVER republicans

And as mentioned in post #17 he supported bush Cheney... still think thatís okay?
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Response to Thekaspervote (Reply #18)

Tue Dec 10, 2019, 12:44 AM

21. Actually, as much as I'm loath to dig up that old pile of bullshit, but Hillary

 

Was Republican early on. Her Goldwater support was crap flung by sanders people much during Ď16.
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Response to Amimnoch (Reply #21)

Tue Dec 10, 2019, 12:48 AM

23. HRC was a teenager. I would loath digging that up too.

 

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Response to Lexee (Reply #23)

Tue Dec 10, 2019, 12:59 AM

28. +++

 

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Response to Lexee (Reply #3)

Tue Dec 10, 2019, 12:25 AM

9. To be fair, his plan is to raise earned income tax credits to achieve the same effect

 

for workers that they would see from an increased minimum wage.

He believes that an EITC increase would not cut job growth they way a minimum wage increase might.

I'm not saying I agree, but his position is far more nuanced that simply saying he's against minimum wage increases.
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Response to The Valley Below (Reply #9)

Tue Dec 10, 2019, 12:27 AM

11. He has actually stated he is against $15 minimum wage

 

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Response to Thekaspervote (Reply #11)

Tue Dec 10, 2019, 12:32 AM

13. Correct. As I said, the wants to raise the EITC instead. Same net effect for workers

 

according to him, without the job-killing aspects off a minimum wage increase.

Don't shoot the messenger.

I just know his plan involves more than opposing an increased minimum wage.

Take home pay would be increased via an EITC according to Bloomberg.
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Response to The Valley Below (Reply #13)

Tue Dec 10, 2019, 12:43 AM

20. Not wanting to shot the messenger! I understand what you are saying

 

I do not trust him... too much baggage
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Response to Thekaspervote (Reply #20)

Tue Dec 10, 2019, 01:02 AM

31. I'm not suggesting you trust him. He's not my guy.

 

I'm only aware that he's talking about using a different mechanism to raise the take home pay of low income workers.

I don't know much about EITCs. Can't say if it is a good idea or a terrible one.
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Response to The Valley Below (Reply #9)

Tue Dec 10, 2019, 12:47 AM

22. At minimum wage will be the least affected with something like this because they earn so little

 

that EITC would not have much affect on their total number, opposed to the more middle and upper middle income.
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Response to Lexee (Reply #22)

Tue Dec 10, 2019, 12:54 AM

24. I belive that the EITC only applies to low income workers, depending on the number of children

 

and not at all to those on middle and upper middle incomes.

No expert here.
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Response to The Valley Below (Reply #24)

Tue Dec 10, 2019, 12:57 AM

25. Thank you for the clarification

 

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Response to The Valley Below (Reply #24)

Tue Dec 10, 2019, 01:01 AM

29. So if old and simply making minimum wage, this doesn't do much.

 

Even older people and people without kids need a living wage instead of a stagnated minimum wage.

No. That doesn't work for me.
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Response to Lexee (Reply #29)

Tue Dec 10, 2019, 01:05 AM

32. I believe that anyone making minimum wage--by definition--would qualify under his plan

 

to be part of an EITC scheme. Not claiming any expertise here. It is designed for low income workers.
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Response to The Valley Below (Reply #32)

Tue Dec 10, 2019, 01:06 AM

33. Thanks, I googled EITC.

 

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Response to Lexee (Reply #33)

Tue Dec 10, 2019, 01:07 AM

34. Then you are probably already more expert than I. LOL.

 

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Response to AlexSFCA (Original post)

Tue Dec 10, 2019, 12:20 AM

6. As a New Yorker, no! Bloomberg was not the best mayor.

 

He was arrogant and obnoxious. During the lead up to the Iraq war, he started the "penned-in" movement or caging of protesters. He made life for men of color a hell, as he vigorously enforced the "stop and frisk"policy. Further, he helped to erode the public schools. In my opinion, he was and is awful!
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Response to jrthin (Reply #6)

Tue Dec 10, 2019, 12:25 AM

10. he dramatically reduced violent crime

 

and facilitated large scale gentrification that made NYC a more livable city.
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Response to jrthin (Reply #6)

Tue Dec 10, 2019, 12:31 AM

12. post 9/11 was such a difficult time

 

for a mayor of NYC in particular. I wonít blame him for that particular period. I also forgave HRC and Biden for their actual votes to authorize the war. They underestimated gop.
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Response to jrthin (Reply #6)

Tue Dec 10, 2019, 12:40 AM

19. Stop and Frisk, he was blasted for it and other procedures

 

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Response to jrthin (Reply #6)

Tue Dec 10, 2019, 12:58 AM

26. what about public schools?

 

From Wiki: Education
Bloomberg replaced the school board set up by the state with direct mayoral control over public education.[96] He raised the salaries of teachers by fifteen percent[97] while the test scores of students in the city and the graduation rate rose as well.[98] He opposes social promotion, stating that students should be promoted only when they are adequately prepared for the next grade level. He favors after-school programs to help students who are behind. As mayor, Bloomberg strengthened the cell-phone ban in schools.[99]

Is it not correct? Looks good to me, no?
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Response to AlexSFCA (Reply #26)

Tue Dec 10, 2019, 11:22 AM

42. Where to to even begin with this one. Sure if you like school privatization

 

out-of-control standardized testing, corporate education reform and charter schools, Bloomberg is right up your ally. If you believe in Public education, definitely look elsewhere.
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Response to AlexSFCA (Original post)

Tue Dec 10, 2019, 12:23 AM

7. I believe the tallest candidate usually wins.

 

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Tue Dec 10, 2019, 01:01 AM

30. You're over 5'7" and the tallest guy will still win.

 

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Response to rickford66 (Reply #30)

Tue Dec 10, 2019, 01:20 AM

35. Remove their shoe lifts! :) Tough choice, ha

 

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Response to appalachiablue (Reply #35)

Tue Dec 10, 2019, 08:25 AM

38. You're not supposed to expose this secret

 

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Response to rickford66 (Reply #7)

Tue Dec 10, 2019, 04:23 AM

37. Oh no, let's hope not!

 

Trump isn't as tall as he says, but he's still taller than our top 4.
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Response to AlexSFCA (Original post)

Tue Dec 10, 2019, 12:35 AM

17. He supported Bush/Cheney in 2004.

 

That is all I need to know in order to conclude that he should not be the Democratic nominee and he should not be president.
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Response to AlexSFCA (Original post)

Tue Dec 10, 2019, 12:58 AM

27. No thanks.

 

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Response to AlexSFCA (Original post)

Tue Dec 10, 2019, 01:20 AM

36. A billionaire? No. Just, no. nt

 

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Response to AlexSFCA (Original post)

Tue Dec 10, 2019, 09:22 AM

39. "The former mayor of New York is less popular than Donald Trump"

 

Polls show you're somehow not the only one, but



https://www.economist.com/united-states/2019/11/28/michael-bloombergs-unlikely-presidential-candidacy
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Response to AlexSFCA (Original post)

Tue Dec 10, 2019, 10:52 AM

40. He's not the worst person in the world, for sure.

 

I, however, do not trust him one bit. Stop and Frisk is a step too far for me to forgive. Yes, he's better than criminal traitor tot, but so is almost everyone human with a well functioning brain. I will only ever vote for him if he's the candidate in the general, and I certainly don't expect that.
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Response to AlexSFCA (Original post)

Tue Dec 10, 2019, 11:06 AM

41. You like someone who

 

supported the racist stop and frisk policy?

who illegally imprisoned protesters during the 2004 GOP convention?

who is against raising the minimum wage?

who increased taxes on middle class homeowners while cutting taxes for himself and the wealthy?
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Response to Dem4Life1102 (Reply #41)

Tue Dec 10, 2019, 11:48 AM

45. And who gave millions to some of the worst humans ever to walk the earth.

 

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Response to AlexSFCA (Original post)

Tue Dec 10, 2019, 11:49 AM

46. Yes, as billionaires trying to buy party nominations go,

 

he's my favorite so far. And if China were to decide to intervene on his behalf, I'd probably consider that preferable to Russia also. Or not.
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Response to AlexSFCA (Original post)

Tue Dec 10, 2019, 01:10 PM

47. LOL

 

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Response to AlexSFCA (Original post)

Tue Dec 10, 2019, 01:28 PM

48. I kind of can't stand him.

 

Different strokes.
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Tue Dec 10, 2019, 01:36 PM

49. I hope you're not homeless. If you are, don't you dare fly first class into his city to grift. nt

 

https://www.democraticunderground.com/1287359710
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