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AlexSFCA

(6,137 posts)
Tue Dec 10, 2019, 12:09 AM Dec 2019

I kinda like Bloomberg

I’ve always liked him and I think he was the best NYC mayor, totally turned the city around. I like his non-ideologic atheistic pragmatic worldview, like most of his positions - strong and effective on gun control, understands that healthcare is not just having health insurance, etc. I can see him building high speed rails across US and more. It matters not one bit to me that he is spending his own money. Good for him.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
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I kinda like Bloomberg (Original Post) AlexSFCA Dec 2019 OP
he's done a lot of good things, and stood up to some big lobbies. mopinko Dec 2019 #1
My understanding that he is in it to win it AlexSFCA Dec 2019 #5
How is he strong and effective on Gun Control when he literally endorsed GOP Senators liskddksil Dec 2019 #2
He outspent the NRA in Virginia to help Dems win TwilightZone Dec 2019 #4
Bush was horrible and Bloomberg's support of him is disqualifying IMO. StevieM Dec 2019 #16
Pat Toomey? Of Manchin-Toomey? DrToast Dec 2019 #43
Yeah, that guy (Toomey) who's continued support for Massacre Mitch ensures liskddksil Dec 2019 #44
Saying there does not need to be an increase in a minimum wage that has sat stagnate is Lexee Dec 2019 #3
Was going to post that myself! Vote for me, a billionaire, but no you can't have a living wage Thekaspervote Dec 2019 #8
there are pictures like that of Bill and Hillary AlexSFCA Dec 2019 #14
Bloomberg has called dotard a grifter a con... yet this?? Not buyin it Thekaspervote Dec 2019 #18
Actually, as much as I'm loath to dig up that old pile of bullshit, but Hillary Amimnoch Dec 2019 #21
HRC was a teenager. I would loath digging that up too. Lexee Dec 2019 #23
+++ Thekaspervote Dec 2019 #28
To be fair, his plan is to raise earned income tax credits to achieve the same effect The Valley Below Dec 2019 #9
He has actually stated he is against $15 minimum wage Thekaspervote Dec 2019 #11
Correct. As I said, the wants to raise the EITC instead. Same net effect for workers The Valley Below Dec 2019 #13
Not wanting to shot the messenger! I understand what you are saying Thekaspervote Dec 2019 #20
I'm not suggesting you trust him. He's not my guy. The Valley Below Dec 2019 #31
At minimum wage will be the least affected with something like this because they earn so little Lexee Dec 2019 #22
I belive that the EITC only applies to low income workers, depending on the number of children The Valley Below Dec 2019 #24
Thank you for the clarification Thekaspervote Dec 2019 #25
So if old and simply making minimum wage, this doesn't do much. Lexee Dec 2019 #29
I believe that anyone making minimum wage--by definition--would qualify under his plan The Valley Below Dec 2019 #32
Thanks, I googled EITC. Lexee Dec 2019 #33
Then you are probably already more expert than I. LOL. The Valley Below Dec 2019 #34
As a New Yorker, no! Bloomberg was not the best mayor. jrthin Dec 2019 #6
he dramatically reduced violent crime AlexSFCA Dec 2019 #10
post 9/11 was such a difficult time AlexSFCA Dec 2019 #12
Stop and Frisk, he was blasted for it and other procedures appalachiablue Dec 2019 #19
what about public schools? AlexSFCA Dec 2019 #26
Where to to even begin with this one. Sure if you like school privatization liskddksil Dec 2019 #42
I believe the tallest candidate usually wins. rickford66 Dec 2019 #7
This message was self-deleted by its author appalachiablue Dec 2019 #15
You're over 5'7" and the tallest guy will still win. rickford66 Dec 2019 #30
Remove their shoe lifts! :) Tough choice, ha appalachiablue Dec 2019 #35
You're not supposed to expose this secret rickford66 Dec 2019 #38
Oh no, let's hope not! Polybius Dec 2019 #37
He supported Bush/Cheney in 2004. StevieM Dec 2019 #17
No thanks. CentralMass Dec 2019 #27
A billionaire? No. Just, no. nt Laffy Kat Dec 2019 #36
"The former mayor of New York is less popular than Donald Trump" redqueen Dec 2019 #39
He's not the worst person in the world, for sure. lark Dec 2019 #40
You like someone who Dem4Life1102 Dec 2019 #41
And who gave millions to some of the worst humans ever to walk the earth. MrsCoffee Dec 2019 #45
Yes, as billionaires trying to buy party nominations go, Hortensis Dec 2019 #46
LOL tenderfoot Dec 2019 #47
I kind of can't stand him. BannonsLiver Dec 2019 #48
I hope you're not homeless. If you are, don't you dare fly first class into his city to grift. nt Quackers Dec 2019 #49
 

mopinko

(69,972 posts)
1. he's done a lot of good things, and stood up to some big lobbies.
Tue Dec 10, 2019, 12:12 AM
Dec 2019

we tried the soda tax here in chicago, and it was a trollfest. they backed down.

and we all loved beto for his stance on guns, but bloomie has walked that walk.

i dunno. i have the same opinion i have of most of our candidates- the more dems out there bashing trump and talking to voters and running cutting ads, the better.

at least he is actually rich.

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AlexSFCA

(6,137 posts)
5. My understanding that he is in it to win it
Tue Dec 10, 2019, 12:20 AM
Dec 2019

I agree with him, none of the current candidates will be able to beat trump, at least not on their own. I’m hoping if Bloomberg doesnt get the nomination, he’ll help the nominee. He can spend billions on purchasing airtime and facebook completely shutting off trump’s and russian disinformation.
The biggest problem with current dems, they are not at all prepared for military grade disinformation to be rolled out funded by foreign countries and hacking, email dumps, etc. That will dominate the “news”. 2016 was just practice, we are now talking possibly about outright voting machine fraud, strategically placed.

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liskddksil

(2,753 posts)
2. How is he strong and effective on Gun Control when he literally endorsed GOP Senators
Tue Dec 10, 2019, 12:12 AM
Dec 2019

including Pat Toomey that are a vote for Mitch McConnell and against any hope of gun reform until he is no longer majority leader? He also endorsed George W. Bush who let the assualt weapons ban expire. Bloomberg is all talk and no action.

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TwilightZone

(25,420 posts)
4. He outspent the NRA in Virginia to help Dems win
Tue Dec 10, 2019, 12:17 AM
Dec 2019
https://www.cnbc.com/2019/11/06/mike-bloombergs-gun-control-outspends-nra-helps-democrats-win-virginia.html

I'm not a fan of his presidential run, but that pretty clearly signifies "action".
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StevieM

(10,500 posts)
16. Bush was horrible and Bloomberg's support of him is disqualifying IMO.
Tue Dec 10, 2019, 12:34 AM
Dec 2019

Never-the-less, it was more the fault of the GOP congress that the assault weapons ban expired. Had they voted to extend it, I believe that Bush had indicated that he would sign the bill.

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DrToast

(6,414 posts)
43. Pat Toomey? Of Manchin-Toomey?
Tue Dec 10, 2019, 11:33 AM
Dec 2019

That guy?

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liskddksil

(2,753 posts)
44. Yeah, that guy (Toomey) who's continued support for Massacre Mitch ensures
Tue Dec 10, 2019, 11:47 AM
Dec 2019

no further action even on something like Manchin-Tommey which was a weak-sauce, bare minimum, pat-your self on the back and say you did something kind of bill to begin with. That means no Universal Background checks, no Red Flag Laws, No bans on high-capacity magazines, no ban on assault weapons, no closing of loopholes, no voluntary or mandatory buybacks. Nadda zip. Nothing.

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Lexee

(377 posts)
3. Saying there does not need to be an increase in a minimum wage that has sat stagnate is
Tue Dec 10, 2019, 12:15 AM
Dec 2019

offensive.

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Thekaspervote

(32,687 posts)
8. Was going to post that myself! Vote for me, a billionaire, but no you can't have a living wage
Tue Dec 10, 2019, 12:24 AM
Dec 2019

Thinks legalization of marijuana is the dumbest thing ever suggested.

Stop telling me these guys aren't good buddies. I've got a hundred more of these.

@realDonaldTrump and @MikeBloomberg have been two peas in a pod for decades.


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AlexSFCA

(6,137 posts)
14. there are pictures like that of Bill and Hillary
Tue Dec 10, 2019, 12:32 AM
Dec 2019

and many other dems. It doesn’t say much. Trump was an entertainer and his NYC based show required permission to film from Bloomberg.

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Thekaspervote

(32,687 posts)
18. Bloomberg has called dotard a grifter a con... yet this?? Not buyin it
Tue Dec 10, 2019, 12:38 AM
Dec 2019

Not to mention Bill and Hillary were NEVER republicans

And as mentioned in post #17 he supported bush Cheney... still think that’s okay?

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Amimnoch

(4,558 posts)
21. Actually, as much as I'm loath to dig up that old pile of bullshit, but Hillary
Tue Dec 10, 2019, 12:44 AM
Dec 2019

Was Republican early on. Her Goldwater support was crap flung by sanders people much during ‘16.

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Lexee

(377 posts)
23. HRC was a teenager. I would loath digging that up too.
Tue Dec 10, 2019, 12:48 AM
Dec 2019
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The Valley Below

(1,701 posts)
9. To be fair, his plan is to raise earned income tax credits to achieve the same effect
Tue Dec 10, 2019, 12:25 AM
Dec 2019

for workers that they would see from an increased minimum wage.

He believes that an EITC increase would not cut job growth they way a minimum wage increase might.

I'm not saying I agree, but his position is far more nuanced that simply saying he's against minimum wage increases.

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Thekaspervote

(32,687 posts)
11. He has actually stated he is against $15 minimum wage
Tue Dec 10, 2019, 12:27 AM
Dec 2019
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The Valley Below

(1,701 posts)
13. Correct. As I said, the wants to raise the EITC instead. Same net effect for workers
Tue Dec 10, 2019, 12:32 AM
Dec 2019

according to him, without the job-killing aspects off a minimum wage increase.

Don't shoot the messenger.

I just know his plan involves more than opposing an increased minimum wage.

Take home pay would be increased via an EITC according to Bloomberg.

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Thekaspervote

(32,687 posts)
20. Not wanting to shot the messenger! I understand what you are saying
Tue Dec 10, 2019, 12:43 AM
Dec 2019

I do not trust him... too much baggage

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The Valley Below

(1,701 posts)
31. I'm not suggesting you trust him. He's not my guy.
Tue Dec 10, 2019, 01:02 AM
Dec 2019

I'm only aware that he's talking about using a different mechanism to raise the take home pay of low income workers.

I don't know much about EITCs. Can't say if it is a good idea or a terrible one.

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Lexee

(377 posts)
22. At minimum wage will be the least affected with something like this because they earn so little
Tue Dec 10, 2019, 12:47 AM
Dec 2019

that EITC would not have much affect on their total number, opposed to the more middle and upper middle income.

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The Valley Below

(1,701 posts)
24. I belive that the EITC only applies to low income workers, depending on the number of children
Tue Dec 10, 2019, 12:54 AM
Dec 2019

and not at all to those on middle and upper middle incomes.

No expert here.

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Thekaspervote

(32,687 posts)
25. Thank you for the clarification
Tue Dec 10, 2019, 12:57 AM
Dec 2019
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Lexee

(377 posts)
29. So if old and simply making minimum wage, this doesn't do much.
Tue Dec 10, 2019, 01:01 AM
Dec 2019

Even older people and people without kids need a living wage instead of a stagnated minimum wage.

No. That doesn't work for me.

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The Valley Below

(1,701 posts)
32. I believe that anyone making minimum wage--by definition--would qualify under his plan
Tue Dec 10, 2019, 01:05 AM
Dec 2019

to be part of an EITC scheme. Not claiming any expertise here. It is designed for low income workers.

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Lexee

(377 posts)
33. Thanks, I googled EITC.
Tue Dec 10, 2019, 01:06 AM
Dec 2019
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The Valley Below

(1,701 posts)
34. Then you are probably already more expert than I. LOL.
Tue Dec 10, 2019, 01:07 AM
Dec 2019
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jrthin

(4,831 posts)
6. As a New Yorker, no! Bloomberg was not the best mayor.
Tue Dec 10, 2019, 12:20 AM
Dec 2019

He was arrogant and obnoxious. During the lead up to the Iraq war, he started the "penned-in" movement or caging of protesters. He made life for men of color a hell, as he vigorously enforced the "stop and frisk"policy. Further, he helped to erode the public schools. In my opinion, he was and is awful!

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AlexSFCA

(6,137 posts)
10. he dramatically reduced violent crime
Tue Dec 10, 2019, 12:25 AM
Dec 2019

and facilitated large scale gentrification that made NYC a more livable city.

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AlexSFCA

(6,137 posts)
12. post 9/11 was such a difficult time
Tue Dec 10, 2019, 12:31 AM
Dec 2019

for a mayor of NYC in particular. I won’t blame him for that particular period. I also forgave HRC and Biden for their actual votes to authorize the war. They underestimated gop.

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appalachiablue

(41,102 posts)
19. Stop and Frisk, he was blasted for it and other procedures
Tue Dec 10, 2019, 12:40 AM
Dec 2019
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AlexSFCA

(6,137 posts)
26. what about public schools?
Tue Dec 10, 2019, 12:58 AM
Dec 2019

From Wiki: Education
Bloomberg replaced the school board set up by the state with direct mayoral control over public education.[96] He raised the salaries of teachers by fifteen percent[97] while the test scores of students in the city and the graduation rate rose as well.[98] He opposes social promotion, stating that students should be promoted only when they are adequately prepared for the next grade level. He favors after-school programs to help students who are behind. As mayor, Bloomberg strengthened the cell-phone ban in schools.[99]

Is it not correct? Looks good to me, no?

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liskddksil

(2,753 posts)
42. Where to to even begin with this one. Sure if you like school privatization
Tue Dec 10, 2019, 11:22 AM
Dec 2019

out-of-control standardized testing, corporate education reform and charter schools, Bloomberg is right up your ally. If you believe in Public education, definitely look elsewhere.

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rickford66

(5,521 posts)
7. I believe the tallest candidate usually wins.
Tue Dec 10, 2019, 12:23 AM
Dec 2019
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rickford66

(5,521 posts)
30. You're over 5'7" and the tallest guy will still win.
Tue Dec 10, 2019, 01:01 AM
Dec 2019
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appalachiablue

(41,102 posts)
35. Remove their shoe lifts! :) Tough choice, ha
Tue Dec 10, 2019, 01:20 AM
Dec 2019
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rickford66

(5,521 posts)
38. You're not supposed to expose this secret
Tue Dec 10, 2019, 08:25 AM
Dec 2019
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Polybius

(15,326 posts)
37. Oh no, let's hope not!
Tue Dec 10, 2019, 04:23 AM
Dec 2019

Trump isn't as tall as he says, but he's still taller than our top 4.

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StevieM

(10,500 posts)
17. He supported Bush/Cheney in 2004.
Tue Dec 10, 2019, 12:35 AM
Dec 2019

That is all I need to know in order to conclude that he should not be the Democratic nominee and he should not be president.

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Laffy Kat

(16,366 posts)
36. A billionaire? No. Just, no. nt
Tue Dec 10, 2019, 01:20 AM
Dec 2019
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redqueen

(115,096 posts)
39. "The former mayor of New York is less popular than Donald Trump"
Tue Dec 10, 2019, 09:22 AM
Dec 2019
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lark

(23,058 posts)
40. He's not the worst person in the world, for sure.
Tue Dec 10, 2019, 10:52 AM
Dec 2019

I, however, do not trust him one bit. Stop and Frisk is a step too far for me to forgive. Yes, he's better than criminal traitor tot, but so is almost everyone human with a well functioning brain. I will only ever vote for him if he's the candidate in the general, and I certainly don't expect that.

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Dem4Life1102

(3,974 posts)
41. You like someone who
Tue Dec 10, 2019, 11:06 AM
Dec 2019

supported the racist stop and frisk policy?

who illegally imprisoned protesters during the 2004 GOP convention?

who is against raising the minimum wage?

who increased taxes on middle class homeowners while cutting taxes for himself and the wealthy?

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MrsCoffee

(5,801 posts)
45. And who gave millions to some of the worst humans ever to walk the earth.
Tue Dec 10, 2019, 11:48 AM
Dec 2019
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Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
46. Yes, as billionaires trying to buy party nominations go,
Tue Dec 10, 2019, 11:49 AM
Dec 2019

he's my favorite so far. And if China were to decide to intervene on his behalf, I'd probably consider that preferable to Russia also. Or not.

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BannonsLiver

(16,282 posts)
48. I kind of can't stand him.
Tue Dec 10, 2019, 01:28 PM
Dec 2019

Different strokes.

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Quackers

(2,256 posts)
49. I hope you're not homeless. If you are, don't you dare fly first class into his city to grift. nt
Tue Dec 10, 2019, 01:36 PM
Dec 2019
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