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Wed Dec 11, 2019, 11:30 AM

 

'You have absolutely zero power' -- I was a McKinsey consultant like Pete Buttigieg

Here’s what this debate is missing, and why the coverage is so off-beam.

Buttigieg was not a McKinsey director, partner or manager. Like me, he was just an associate.

Young consultants who join McKinsey straight out of graduate school are much like young lawyers who join a top law firm straight out of law school.

You have absolutely zero power and very little influence. You are mainly there as billable hours.

You are allocated to work for individual partners on individual projects.

You don’t choose the clients, the partners or the projects.


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Reply 'You have absolutely zero power' -- I was a McKinsey consultant like Pete Buttigieg (Original post)
BuffaloJackalope Dec 2019 OP
madaboutharry Dec 2019 #1
aidbo Dec 2019 #2
The Mouth Dec 2019 #3
George II Dec 2019 #4
radical noodle Dec 2019 #5
Act_of_Reparation Dec 2019 #12
radical noodle Dec 2019 #18
LongtimeAZDem Dec 2019 #19
The Valley Below Dec 2019 #26
TidalWave46 Dec 2019 #7
Act_of_Reparation Dec 2019 #11
TidalWave46 Dec 2019 #13
Act_of_Reparation Dec 2019 #14
TidalWave46 Dec 2019 #17
Act_of_Reparation Dec 2019 #24
LongtimeAZDem Dec 2019 #22
OldRed2450 Dec 2019 #30
Skidmore Dec 2019 #31
aidbo Dec 2019 #33
TidalWave46 Dec 2019 #6
radical noodle Dec 2019 #8
TidalWave46 Dec 2019 #9
LongtimeAZDem Dec 2019 #20
brooklynite Dec 2019 #10
Act_of_Reparation Dec 2019 #15
lostnfound Dec 2019 #25
Buckeyeblue Dec 2019 #16
Blue_true Dec 2019 #27
WhiskeyGrinder Dec 2019 #21
samir.g Dec 2019 #23
StarfishSaver Dec 2019 #28
betsuni Dec 2019 #29
NYMinute Dec 2019 #32
Politicub Dec 2019 #34

Response to BuffaloJackalope (Original post)

Wed Dec 11, 2019, 11:43 AM

1. Some of these critics coming after Mayor Buttigieg

 

are acting as if he was running the place. It is a disingenuous argument. A twenty-something straight out of school is a nobody in a big organization.
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Response to BuffaloJackalope (Original post)

Wed Dec 11, 2019, 11:44 AM

2. he had the power to choose to work somewhere else.

 

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Response to aidbo (Reply #2)

Wed Dec 11, 2019, 11:51 AM

3. Know thine enemy

 

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Response to aidbo (Reply #2)

Wed Dec 11, 2019, 11:52 AM

4. MOST people who graduate from college with a large debt take any job they can....

 

....until they get settled.

Remember, he was only there for 2-1/2 years right out of college, he didn't exactly make a career out of it.

Bashing him for those 2-1/2 years in his early 20s is ludicrous.
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Response to aidbo (Reply #2)

Wed Dec 11, 2019, 11:53 AM

5. At least he worked.

 

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Response to radical noodle (Reply #5)

Wed Dec 11, 2019, 12:19 PM

12. I don't think that argument's as awesome as you think it is.

 

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Response to Act_of_Reparation (Reply #12)

Wed Dec 11, 2019, 12:32 PM

18. I never said it was awesome

 

It was a response to another argument that was just as lacking in awesomeness.
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Response to radical noodle (Reply #5)

Wed Dec 11, 2019, 12:42 PM

19. This +1

 

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Response to radical noodle (Reply #5)

Wed Dec 11, 2019, 04:42 PM

26. Touche

 

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Response to aidbo (Reply #2)

Wed Dec 11, 2019, 11:58 AM

7. Like fantasy writing? NT

 

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Response to TidalWave46 (Reply #7)

Wed Dec 11, 2019, 12:17 PM

11. This is a dishonorable profession, in your view?

 

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Response to Act_of_Reparation (Reply #11)

Wed Dec 11, 2019, 12:19 PM

13. The profession as a whole. Of course not.

 

I didn't even allude to such a thing.
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Response to TidalWave46 (Reply #13)

Wed Dec 11, 2019, 12:20 PM

14. You most certainly alluded to it being less worthy than corporate consultation.

 

Curious.
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Response to Act_of_Reparation (Reply #14)

Wed Dec 11, 2019, 12:30 PM

17. I did not. Reading is fundamental. NT

 

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Response to TidalWave46 (Reply #17)

Wed Dec 11, 2019, 03:26 PM

24. Sorry to take the wind out of an otherwise clever response...

 

...but so is context.
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Response to aidbo (Reply #2)

Wed Dec 11, 2019, 12:46 PM

22. Wow

 

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Response to aidbo (Reply #2)

Thu Dec 12, 2019, 02:50 AM

30. At least he went to work.

 

Bernie did not have a full time steady job until he was 40, that left his young son on public assistance. I don't think that's good for the sake of purity.
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Response to aidbo (Reply #2)

Thu Dec 12, 2019, 07:10 AM

31. Would

 

scrubbing toilets at MickeyDs have been humble enough?
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Response to Skidmore (Reply #31)

Thu Dec 12, 2019, 11:29 AM

33. Wow. It's not about humility, my friend.

 

Also, that is a pretty shitty attitude towards the human beings that do the tough, grueling, necessary, and thankless work like ‘scrubbing toilets at MickeyDs’.

Come to think of it, I actually would be more impressed with Mayor Pete if he had scrubbed toilets rather than do some bullshit job like consulting.

As a highly educated young white man just out of college, he had a lot more choice in the matter of where he could work, unlike that individual who may be scrubbing toilets at MickeyDs.

He chose to work at McKinsey.
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Response to BuffaloJackalope (Original post)

Wed Dec 11, 2019, 11:57 AM

6. Wonder why people aren't making up conspiracy theories about Yang and his time at...

 

Davis Polk & Wardwell before quitting. They are making conspiracy theories up about Buttigieg.
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Response to TidalWave46 (Reply #6)

Wed Dec 11, 2019, 12:03 PM

8. Because Yang isn't yet perceived as a threat another candidate

 

If he rises in the polls, it will happen.
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Response to radical noodle (Reply #8)

Wed Dec 11, 2019, 12:12 PM

9. Exactly.

 



And if it did happen to Yang it would be just as big a pile of stinking malarkey.
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Response to radical noodle (Reply #8)

Wed Dec 11, 2019, 12:43 PM

20. Yep

 

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Response to BuffaloJackalope (Original post)

Wed Dec 11, 2019, 12:15 PM

10. I once managed a contract for a Study that used McKinsey as a consultant...

 

They were technical professionals addressing a technical issue in our operations. It had nothing to do with destroying Unions or gobbling up other companies or any other evil plot you can imagine.
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Response to brooklynite (Reply #10)

Wed Dec 11, 2019, 12:22 PM

15. Cool anecdote, bro.

 

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Response to brooklynite (Reply #10)

Wed Dec 11, 2019, 04:36 PM

25. It feels like there are trolls just trying to divide on this issue. I agree with you. Nt

 

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Response to BuffaloJackalope (Original post)

Wed Dec 11, 2019, 12:26 PM

16. I've worked with McKinsey Consultants

 

We always joke about how little they know. Upper management hires McKinsey to validate decisions they want to make.
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Response to Buckeyeblue (Reply #16)

Wed Dec 11, 2019, 11:30 PM

27. That was my experience in corporate America.

 

There is no way that I will use such people today on my own accord. I would rather hire a retired engineer, at least I would have confidence that he or she could give worthwhile input.
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Response to BuffaloJackalope (Original post)

Wed Dec 11, 2019, 12:44 PM

21. Wait, so like...is this a defense?

 

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Response to BuffaloJackalope (Original post)

Wed Dec 11, 2019, 01:09 PM

23. I wonder if The Bobs got to pick their clients or projects

 


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Response to BuffaloJackalope (Original post)

Thu Dec 12, 2019, 12:44 AM

28. This entire "controversy" is ridiculous

 

I can't believe Democrats are engaging in it.
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Response to StarfishSaver (Reply #28)

Thu Dec 12, 2019, 12:55 AM

29. It's extremely embarrassing.

 

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Response to BuffaloJackalope (Original post)

Thu Dec 12, 2019, 10:28 AM

32. All this ratfucking is coming from one candidate's camp

 

... you know .. the one who thought he would be an automatic front-runner and was badly disillusioned?
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Response to BuffaloJackalope (Original post)

Thu Dec 12, 2019, 12:13 PM

34. I spent most of my career at a communication consulting firm.

 

You are so right: new associates do grunt work and research. They do not write recommendations for clients and do not have a say in which accounts they get assigned.

What people are missing is how hard it is to get a job with McKinsey. It's known for being one of the most highly selective employers in the world. The fact that Buttigieg was hired by the firm is an amazing accomplishment that people are using to bash him.

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