You know? Next Bernie should endorse tRump!

[Wawannabe]

Because he just endorsed someone exactly like him! Also, Bernie’s essay recently exposed tells us that Bernie hates women. (And I ain’t gonna take that shit about “that was a long time ago”.)

I am female and I am so effing mad I am spitting nails! He better walk this back!!!!

A primary vote for Bernie is a vote for the orange asshole in the white house!

[pfeiffer]

1. i agree...

he'd better f-ing walk this back.

[TidalWave46]

2. You make two solid points.

"You know? Next Bernie should endorse tRump!"

Shouldn't have started with that. It's neither solid or a point.

[Doitnow]

3. I would be nice if the rest of us could know what you are talking about!!!!

[LongtimeAZDem]

5. She's referring to the despicable endorsement of Cenk Uygur by Sanders

[Wawannabe]

6. Cenk Uyger

https://www.newsweek.com/bernie-sanders-endorses-young-turks-founder-cenk-uygurs-congressional-run-month-after-uygur-1477071?amp=1

There is a post about it in Primaries.

[LongtimeAZDem]

4. I would have said, "He might as well endorse Trump", but I get your point

[Wawannabe]

7. Ok.

He might as well.

[Thekaspervote]

8. Ouch!!!

[Wawannabe]

11. What?

Two persons have essentially corrected me above for what? Grammar? How they would have written MY post? I have a “pointless post”?

Possibly, it could have been better worded. But it is my opinion post and no one else's.
I own every word.

[efhmc]

9. I just called both of these "progressives" out on Twitter.

[efhmc]

10. This Feminist will never allow anyone who is as antiwoman as those two

to be labeled as "progressive".

[Wawannabe]

14. Good on ya!

For the twitter call out and noting here that there is nothing progressive about hating women. In fact, it’s regressive and repugnant!

[Hortensis]

21. Yes. And THIS progressive knows those willing to turn this nation

over to the Republicans busily destroying progressivism in government are not progressive.

Sanders and U-what's-his-face both know what "textualism" and "originalism" mean, Supreme Court justices appointed by the Republicans they helped put in power to eliminate all progressive federal laws and programs, including the right to privacy that says the government can't dictate our birth control, right to have surgery, or right to a free and open internet, among incredibly much else.

[MarcA]

12. And a primary vote for Joe is a vote for what. n/t

[LongtimeAZDem]

13. A vote for a decent human being, not for an ally of and obscene misogynist

[Wawannabe]

15. I did not raise Joe! You are. Why?

Get off his back and mine.

I explicitly called out Bernie and essentially state that AOC should be backing Warren.

Now I’ll say it outright. AOC’s endorsement of Bernie should go to the progressive female in the primary. I can’t speak for her “reasons” to support Bernie. I don’t know them. I Only know that her support is wrong.

On edit: My AOC comments were in the original post about Cenk endorsement. Sorry. ...but I’ll leave those comments here too because I have nothing against Warren. I hope you didn’t call me out because I have endorsed Biden -but it appears that you did...

[MarcA]

17. Well, he is your Presidential Primary choice and a

"Get off his back and mine" response to a question is enlightening.

[Wawannabe]

22. Poke me in the eye with a stick

And I’ll poke back. This thread is not about Biden. You are calling me out because I have a Biden endorsement and for no other reason. You have added nothing to the op that is about Bernie. If I had an undecided endorsement what would you reply?

That is why I have told you to get off my back and his. You are PROJECTING - must be learning that from someone ?

[corbettkroehler]

16. His Medicare For All Is THE MOST Pro-Woman Universal Healthcare Legislation In American History

Sorry that I didn't answer last hour. I had to blow dry my keyboard. You see, I laughed so hard that I literally cried on the space bar, both Shift keys and the keypunch.

So, Bernie hates women. Where to begin? Let's see. He has affirmed abortion as a constitutional right and his Medicare For All bill provides full coverage for reproductive care including abortion. Sanders has a 100% lifetime pro-choice voting record.

The official page on Planned Parenthood Action's site shows him supporting all of the group's top issues with no negative marks.

Oh, right, and when she was First Lady, one of the greatest feminists of her time, Hillary Clinton, wrote Bernie a thank you note in her own hand, expressing her gratitude for his service in aid of health care.

Link to tweet

[Wawannabe]

24. Standard male answer to tell me about women's health care.

I know I COULDN’T POSSIBLY be intelligent enough to know reproductive health so thanks so much for learnin me! I owe you big time.

Your sarcasm falls on deaf DUMB ears.

[corbettkroehler]

29. What Do Feminists Want To See Added To Medicare For All?

I am only too willing to learn. On a related note: if Sanders' Medicare For All had so many shortcomings, why would so many women in Congress, such as Elizabeth Warren, endorsed it (along with groups such as National Nurses United)?

Oh, by the way, his 100% pro-choice voting record was assigned to Sanders by women's groups.

[Wawannabe]

31. So?

I am sure these endorsements came before his asinine endorsement of Cenk Uygur. We will have to wait watch and see how this news plays out with women voters.

Do you endorse beastiality? Should Bernie ask Planned Parenthood to help poor animals who have been screwed by the likes of Cenk?

I don’t know why I’m even trying?

[corbettkroehler]

35. Trying? How About My Original Question? What Should Be Added To M4All?

I truly want to know.

If the women who endorsed Bernie's M4All bill dropped their support due to his endorsement of Uyger, I'd reconsider. For now, your argument about Sanders' support for women continues to make me laugh and laugh and laugh and laugh but I am driven to my guffaws not because you are a woman but because of your hyperbolic response to the Uyger endorsement.

For the record, Sanders has withdrawn his endorsement of Uyger but my original position stands.

[Hortensis]

18. Half of Sanders' most loyal base did vote directly for Trump,

another similar percentage voted third party, and 2% refused to vote at all, for 24% of all Sanders' primary voters. Most of those here loudly claimed Sanders' messages as the reasons they couldn't vote for Democrats.

And true believers that they are, the same foul lies became basic frames of belief for them to this day, and I'm guessing they'll die seeing everything through a lens of Democratic corruption. Once they were no longer allowed here, of course, they retreated to the DU satellite forums that exist for hostiles to monitor our chat and post anti-Democratic poison. The inspiring home page of one:




And the sort of thing you see there about Democrats, in this case responses to Obama's message to avoid extremism, aka too much "purity," which obviously didn't go over well with its intended audience:

"BTW, Barry, Bernie has the perfect comeback to your bullshit: It’s always impossible until it’s done.–Nelson Mandela. Mandela would be ashamed of you, Obama, you fucking sellout."

"Barack O’Bummer. Direct from the office of the corporate DNC Inc."

"Says the representative of a conservative wing of the Democratic party, after spending three years casting stones at the Russians, who had little to do with their political failure to inspire citizens enough to believe it worthwhile to cast a vote. Good leaders own up to their mistakes. Blaming voters puts the “cart before the horse”."

"STFU, Barry! You betrayed 90% of the people who voted for you, especially African-Americans, whom you just shit on. Look forward, not back. Americans celebrate wealth, and they should. War, war, and more war. Assassinations. The rich got richer and everyone else got poorer. More, much more, and your final gift to America was Donald Trump. Lower than whale dreck, you are."

One posted a video of Ralph Nader claiming Obama would be another Bush. Another posted an article from RT/Russian propaganda to show how evil and corrupt Democrats are.

That Democrats are too much like Republicans to make any real difference is a message Sanders has pushed in various ways at every appearance I've seen him in. I learned to watch for it, and he's been doing for so long that it seems almost as automatic to him as breathing. Like when he blew off a question at the She the People conference about what he'd do as president about all the racist, extremist judges the Republicans have been packing the courts with, who are persecuting minorities, by saying he'd "appoint Supreme Court Justices" and "anyway, the Democrats do it too."

[Act_of_Reparation]

20. And 24% of voters who supported Clinton in the 2008 primary voted for McCain in the general.

2008 Cooperative Campaign Analysis Project.


Same people?

[Hortensis]

23. Yes! Extreme overlap -- basically the same 24%. How clever

of you to note the extreme similarity of behaviors, if not candidates.

In 2008 a radical, rabble-rousing "Party Unity My Ass" faction (their official name "People United Means Action" quickly morphed to fit their actions) passionately rallied to use Hillary to defeat Obama; that time they angrily accused the evil Democrats of "rigging" the election for Obama, and many promised to vote for McCain.

In 2016 they passionately rallied to Sanders, angrily attacked the evil DNC and dozens of Democratic state parties for rigging the election (to be fair Sanders told them dozens of times it was happening), called for Hillary to be thrown in prison, and many promised to vote Trump or third party.

Same thing back with Nader v Gore, and so on back. Behaviors are very identifying. Go where they congregate to speak freely, and the same kind of people behaving totally predictably.

The difference between 2008 and 2016 was the behaviors of the candidates, not these packs. Hillary very strongly supported Obama, while Sanders' very different behavior toward her and the Democratic Party was...identifying. He denounced his membership immediately, of course.

[Act_of_Reparation]

26. I find the waters a bit more murky.

You're saying a significant number of voters supported Clinton against Obama in 2008, and then supported Sanders against Clinton in 2016. That would mean they sided with the more moderate and established candidate in '08 and the more progressive, underdog candidate in '16. What's with the shift in ideology?

[Hortensis]

28. No shift in ideology. The most common elements are

progressive desires combined with populist social conservatism with a strong dash of antagonism. Some are radical LWers drawn to Sanders' seemingly simple, universalist solutions (the ones he's always called for but isn't running on now), and some are populists: and those are where antagonism burns hottest.

The antagonistic social conservatism of a large percentage of populists always dominates his varied, never-die base ("Lock her up!" for both Trump and Sanders populists), and they didn't like Obama -- a lot more than they might have disliked Hillary if she wasn't their weapon against him. (No, Michelle Obama did not spend $450 on room service as PUMA PAC claimed, and yes, she could eat spaghetti without dribbling it all over her dress as both they and Trump's bigots claimed. Etc.)

Sanders' voters are a very mixed bag, some very decent, idealistic but undiscerning people, some solid but impatient Democrats who want to give the party a push. But populists are not any party's finer folk by any means, and Sanders is running as a socialist leaning populist leader.

[Act_of_Reparation]

32. I'm not saying you're wrong.

But there are some assumptions required to make this theory work.

Alternatively, it might be suggested there is some overlap between the defecting groups, but that they are largely distinct and instead motivated by the tendency in people to get butthurt when they don't get their way.

Someone should look into this, though. A longitudinal analysis of voting habits among specific subjects would a pretty interesting study.

[Hortensis]

34. Broad brush, doesn't apply to individuals. It's my understanding

that a lot of professionals have been studying this. To put it mildly, populists movements are a grave danger to democracies around the planet, left far less than right in general except when they unite (!!!), and now including ours.

Btw, our intelligence services say Putin is trying to unite the angry left with the angry right to form a majority that can defeat the majorities that elected Obama, Hillary, and the candidates of the blue wave. Haven't heard how they think that's going, but that's a combination that brings down nations.

[LiberalLovinLug]

19. Yawn...another day, another feckless Sanders smear

You really want to open up the topic of problems with attitudes towards women in regards to past behaviours in every Democratic candidate? Including your own? Why admin allows this type of OP is beyond me, but okay.

While Bernie wrote a fantasy novel, when he was a young man, that dared to use facts (like many women have rape fantasies. Which Psychology Today backs up),

https://www.psychologytoday.com/ca/blog/all-about-sex/201001/womens-rape-fantasies-how-common-what-do-they-mean

The reason for that is that fantasy is completely different than what one does in reality. You know, like actually doing things to make women uncomfortable or feel they are not to be believed when it comes to sexual harassment.

ie Anita Hill

ie. Lucy Flores

support for the Hyde Amendment. Oh right, all that was "a long time ago".


But why even open this can of worms? Democrats should not be fishing around for reasons to smear other Democratic party candidates.


And again attacking liberal media. Like TYT. Their crime? endorsing the "wrong" candidate, in your opinion. We have so little liberal media even existing in the MSM world of TV and radio. YouTube shows like TYT, David Packman, etc is the only output for more pro Democratic, pro liberal shows these days. But we have to eat our own of course.

[Wawannabe]

25. That's your Canadian opinion

Duly noted and feckless to boot!

Why the admin allows persons who cannot vote in the United States to declare and participate in this forum is something I have and still do question.

I am a registered US voter and I have skin in this game.

[LiberalLovinLug]

27. Two reasons I participate

1. We are each others largest trading partners. (Some believe that's only one way). And so because we are so intricitly tied together, what happens there directly affects our economy. ie....if you have a recession, its difficult for us not to follow. So every Canadian should have an interest in what happens there.

2. I believe in a more of a global outlook. Furthermore, I think every more liberal leaning person has an obligation to take into account what goes on all over the globe, in this ever increasing globalized world, both economically and with social media. For instance, I feel closer to American Democrats, than I do Canadian Conservatives. I identity with more liberal politics and parties in all countries. I think more and more, we have to stand together. With more and more self styled authoritarian right wing leaders elected using fear and racism (and with help from Putin). to create a worldwide network of political leaders that work directly for the 1% of the planet. Borders don't matter to this class of people. The health of the planet or people do not matter. Only accumulating wealth.

The Democratic Party is the party in the US that best represents the interests of those fighting against this development. Pushing the other direction, like encouraging Medicare for All, is very important to counter the disinformation and stealing of treasuries by the stooges for the 1% like Moscow Mitch, to shower themselves with tax breaks and subsidies, while dismantling environmental protections and making it easier to pollute and pay miserable wages.

3. (bonus) I like this place. It saved my sanity when I joined during the Iraq war. I like debating issues that are common in every western democracy, and could apply here in Canada as well. I don't take anything personal. I don't alert just to stop an uncomfortable conversation. I prefer to back my opinions with words.

[corbettkroehler]

30. This American Remembers How Anita Hill Was Treated As If It Happened Yesterday

Facts which descend from north of the border remain factual.

[Wawannabe]

33. Such as like you. are. treating. me.

Because I am pissed at Bernie’s latest endorsement and have had the gall to say so here.

[corbettkroehler]

36. 180 Degrees Backwards And Upside Down - You Think Me A Misogynist Because I Challenge Your Opinion

Now who is mistreating whom?

Besides, when comparing candidates and the mistreatment of women, the Anita Hill testimony and resulting confirmation of Clarence Thomas (who has done decades of deep harm to our nation) versus Sanders' endorsement of Uyger doesn't even move the needle!

[booley]

37. Joe Biden has

Telling an Immigration Activist "You should vote for trump" when said activist is explaining the human costs of our immigration policies is all kinds of awful.

And Biden doesn't have the excuse of "it a long time ago" (Nor did Biden recant what he said, a fact you conveniently forgot)

Because he just endorsed someone exactly like him! Also, Bernie’s essay recently exposed tells us that Bernie hates women.

I don't' accept your assertion that is contradicted by the facts nor your implication that there is something wrong with the women who do support Sanders. I would also comment that a vote for a centrist increases the chance of Trump's second term, given that Trump has shown he knows how to beat one in the election.

But there you go. Agree to disagree I guess.

[Wawannabe]

38. I conveniently forgot nothing...

Because I said nothing about Biden. Yet, I continue to be called out for my Biden choice at the bottom of my post.

I implied nothing about women. You did.
Do not put words in my mouth.

I am pissed at Bernie for this asinine endorsement. I ranted because this is the only place on DU that my statement about primary voting belongs. And have been called hyperbolic for the post.

Bernie supporters here, a lone Warren supporter, and a couple Biden supporters have all picked apart my rant. So be it. It is what it is and will remain.

Remember also the Darius K Gordon hire. Not only did that person disrespect women, he also was said to be anti Semitic and homophobic. There is a pattern with Bernie and I say “he might as well” endorse tRump.
I stand on it.

[Wawannabe]

39. I forgot to address something

tRump STOLE this election and is not a legitimate president. Hilary got 3ish million more popular votes from We the people.

My post is about Bernie not Biden. Bernie didn't support HRC till he pretty much had to. Cuz if he didn’t then we would have known his stripes for sure.

https://time.com/4608555/hillary-clinton-popular-vote-final/?amp=true