Talk about a fusion ticket between Sanders and Warren

[OldRed2450]

Both staying in until June to merge their delegates at the convention.

If others like Biden and Buttigieg where talking like this people would be screaming of a RIGGED primary.

Link to tweet

[Tiggeroshii]

1. LOL Biden and Buttigieg?

With what votes?!

[OldRed2450]

3. It was an example.

A forced brokered convention that might subvert the will of voters by playing on delegates. This is RIGGING.

[Tiggeroshii]

8. ...

[highplainsdem]

4. The latest polling averages at 538 have Biden and Buttigieg's combined support a few points greater

than the combined support for Warren and Sanders.

And there are more non-leftist than leftist candidates among those remaining, and their supporters would likely go to Biden.

I've also seen polling suggesting the undecided voters tend to be more moderate.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

27. I've predicted for many years now that Bernie & Elizabeth will join forces. Joe knows this too...

which splains his latest comments on the campaign trail.

ttp://imgur.com/XGFl2EI.jpg
Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

[TexasTowelie]

49. How many years have you made that prediction?

The delegates that each of them win in the primaries are bound in their votes on the first ballot. On the second ballot, the superdelegates get involved and I doubt that loyal Democratic superdelegates will ever cast their ballots for the independent senator from Vermont.

Nearly two-thirds of the delegates will be selected by the end of March. I suspect that Biden will have the race wrapped up by then. It's also likely that Bernie and Warren will split the progressive alliance and one or the other will have the 300 delegates necessary to have their name entered as a nominee at the convention.

[Tiggeroshii]

74. .

Denial is not just a river in Egypt.

[TwilightZone]

77. And not understanding how the process works is a common problem.

[sheshe2]

95. Common Dreams. nt

[TexasTowelie]

84. Your sense of humor is ironic

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considering what happened to you earlier today.

[Tiggeroshii]

94. Your*

[TexasTowelie]

97. That's the first thing that you've been correct about all day.

Congratulations.

[Tiggeroshii]

100. It feels that way.

You're right. This day's been shitty but DU has nothing to do with it.

[TexasTowelie]

101. I disagree with you about politics,

but I don't wish you any ill will in your personal life. I hope tomorrow is better for you.

[Tiggeroshii]

102. That means a lot.

Thanks!!

[LanternWaste]

122. Probably votes from the non-Sacred Cow demographic.

You know... the voters who think beyond the simplicity of bumper stickers and t-shirt slogans, and ask that allegations be supported with data and evidence.

I'm betting you may even know one or two...






(not really. I don't bet)

[Tiggeroshii]

124. You bet

[Cha]

2. Yes they would.

[msongs]

5. raise your hand if u think bernie would settle for warren vp nt

[Tiggeroshii]

11. :Raises hand:

Not just settle.That is likely the dream ticket among the majority of his supporters.

[beastie boy]

21. You do realize you are playing fantasy football here, don't you?

Warren is not tying herself to Sanders. She tried that with M4A, and she is paying for it now.

And there is a better chance Bernie would pick Cenk as his VP. He will not tie himself to the Democratic Party. You know, neo-liberal third way incrementalist traitors to the working class and all...

[Tiggeroshii]

73. I realize it is hard to accept Bernie is likely be the nominee. But if you start now, the process

Will be far more tolerable.

[beastie boy]

107. It is pretty impossible to accept. For a Bernie fan,you have to be ridiculously optimistic to do it.

I envy your optimism, if not common sense.

[brooklynite]

118. The problem with dream tickets is: eventually you wake up from the dream...

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

28. Great minds think alike!! But who called it first?! hahaha!! A dream ticket indeed!!

Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

[Tiggeroshii]

70. Right??!

Folks are in denial: sure there are Warren supporters who dont like Bernie, but more than anything they have proven to be allies in the long game.

[TexasTowelie]

98. More like a nightmare ticket.

The combination would take the same states that Clinton won in 2016 minus Colorado, New Mexico, Minnesota, and Virginia.

[highplainsdem]

14. Are you asking whether he'd settle for being Warren's VP, or settle for her

as his VP? Can't really tell from what you wrote there.

raise your hand if u think bernie would settle for warren vp nt

[msongs]

18. bernie as vp nt

[highplainsdem]

22. My impression of most of the Sanders supporters I've seen posting online is that they'd never

accept that.

[sheshe2]

99. He would never accept second place to a woman.

Fact is she, my Senator would never accept a submissive roll to a man. Fact. She loses, she will be going back to kick ass in the Senate.

Fact.

[BlueMTexpat]

115. Absolutely this!

[sheshe2]

121. ...

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

30. Either way voters decide is fine by me!! As long as BOTH Bernie & Elizabeth are on the ticket!!

Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

[whathehell]

105. 'Setttle" for Warren?

It's the logical choice -- Who else is as ideologically close to him?

[JoeOtterbein]

6. Uh?

I thought Biden had this in a cake-walk?

Lack of confidence in a candidate is a killer. That is exactly why Bernie will win both the PE & GE.

Biden supporters need to get behind our strongest leader.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

9. I think the Biden supporters already are behind the strongest leader.

[highplainsdem]

12. +1,000,000

[JoeOtterbein]

20. Okayyyyy.

Every Dem is responding with either support, semi-support or have an answer for MFA.

That's called leadership.

You know it's like; lead, follow or get out of the way.

[highplainsdem]

23. LOL at the idea that backing MFA somehow shows leadership.

[JoeOtterbein]

25. Why?

After all, Bernie wrote the damn bill. What else is there not to follow?

[highplainsdem]

32. True leadership is about being able to move toward attainable goals, not describe unattainable ones.

[JoeOtterbein]

37. So have no goal on issues unless we predetermined them as "winners"?

That's way too thin an argument. But thanks for pointing it out, because thin arguments continue to worry me greatly in the upcoming 2020 elections.

[beastie boy]

45. Depends on whether you want to get elected, or you just want to run.

I can see how pragmatism is a thin argument to an idealist, though. That's what makes idealists so endearing.

[JoeOtterbein]

50. So are you against ideas? Then why bother?

Voters want ideas on healthcare. All the Dem candidates and most of the elected Dems say they wanted to hear about healthcare before impeachment.

Let's give the voters what they want. That's the only sure way to win.

[beastie boy]

53. I am a huge fan of ideas! Huge! In fact, ideas are my favorite pastime!

Sadly, voters have ideas other than M4A. And we don't live in an ideacracy, we live in a democracy. You know, one person one vote, and we are all entitled to having different ideas.

[JoeOtterbein]

55. Your ideas about MFA are wrong.

Happy to hear you like free discourse!

[beastie boy]

58. If you say so.

Call me antisocial, but I need more than just a verdict to gauge the value of my ideas, and you are no help.

[TexasTowelie]

85. It's amazing that you believe that this election boils down to only one or two issues.

The voters care about other issues besides health care and free tuition/student loan debt forgiveness.

[sprinkleeninow]

89. MfA won't be attainable any time soon. n/t

[sheshe2]

69. Link?

What bill did he write?

[beastie boy]

29. LO! It's like saying every Dem either supports, semi-supports or has answer for Beernie's candidacy!

That translates to 15-20% approval.

The last I checked, if you are the leader of 20%, it is not called leadership.

[JoeOtterbein]

31. So 28% or so in an early poll is leadership?

No. Issues matter. MFA matters.

[beastie boy]

39. In a pool of 27 candidates, it is indeed leadership!

Consistent leadership, I might add.

You know what matters more than issues in a representative democracy? Guess. That's right, the people who choose which issues they vote for. And so far, M4A is not exactly the winning issue among voters. Not even among Democrats.

[JoeOtterbein]

42. MFA was at 70% with all Americans before the insurance companies started their attacks.

Just like they did when Bill and Hillary tried to do it.

Please don't belive paid hype. It's literally killing some of us.

[beastie boy]

47. Do you have a source for this number? And please don't cite The Hill!

I remember a similar thread where it turned out the poll question reported in The Hill was not about M4A, but rather about Medicare.

[highplainsdem]

52. MFA was confused with the public option in much of the polling. Once people had the difference

explained, the public option always polled better.

[AlexSFCA]

90. this is very simple

you want MFA? don’t scream about it, start with public option. PR 101. Gay marriage started with domestic partnerships and civil unions. Had our leaders advocated for same sex marriage a decade or two ago, other important lgbt bills would simply stall. Congress is about compromise. ACA was enormous step forward. Bernie would have achieved nothing if he was the president at the time demanding MFA and vetoing anything less than that. Britain’s election thought us something, you go with Bernie, not only we lose in general, we lose in all competitive national, state and local races. The public strongly rejects socialism - state means of production. I have not heard Bernie advocating for entrepreneurship and economic growth through private entities. I suspect he is a true socialist in his heart who calls himself “democratic socialist” to soften the term. Bernie is the only “dem” primary candidate who is dividing the party, he infected us with toxic populism of empty promises.

Remember this, Democratic Party is the party of capitalism, private enterprise, market economy, civil rights and social safety net.

[LanternWaste]

111. Second place is following, not leading, yes?

Leadership, indeed...

[The Valley Below]

103. For sure.

[Tiggeroshii]

10. +10,000

This is cracking me up, tbh.

What of the "I need sunglasses to see bernie's supporters" narratives?

[JoeOtterbein]

24. Humor is very important too!

Some people seem to take themselves too seriously. As if they engage in politics for a living, or something.

I think they would do better with hearing aids, than sunglasses!

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

35. You got that right Joe!! The sooner we all unite behind Bernie the better...

Just hope Biden will concede soon after Super Tuesday, when it will become quite apparent to everyone that the nomination is out of his grasp.


Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

[Cha]

80. We Biden Supporters ARE Behind Our Strongest Leader.

[redstateblues]

91. Pipe dream. Leader? Bernie has been a back bencher his whole career

[LanternWaste]

110. This is troubling for Bernie.

[highplainsdem]

7. The problem with a possible fusion ticket is a lot of Warren supporters can't stand Sanders, and

vice versa. And both Warren and Sanders strike me as being so convinced of their own superiority as a candidate that I can't see either of them willingly becoming the VP for the other, nor would their supporters be happy about their fave being VP.

Which is good, because a ticket with two 70somethings who can easily be labeled socialist by the GOP isn't exactly a winner...

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

17. Bernie and his supporters won't tolerate an interloper like Warren.

Although Bernie has avoided criticizing Warren, staffers like Gray and Sirota haven't.

[JoeOtterbein]

34. Please don't speak for us.

We love Liz. She is much stronger than most of the men in the race.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

36. Indeed!! LOVE LOVE LOVE Elizabeth... she and Bernie will make an AWESOME team!!

Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

[highplainsdem]

62. And you don't speak for the many Sanders and Warren supporters replying to that tweet in the OP

who do NOT want the other candidate on the ticket.

Some Warren and Sanders supporters would be okay, even happy, with a fusion ticket. Many wouldn't.

[JoeOtterbein]

66. Yeah. Everyone has an opinion. That is good.

Or should be!

[highplainsdem]

68. The most common opinion I've seen Sanders supporters express about Warren and Warren supporters

express about Sanders is that the other candidate should drop out and support their favorite candidate.

[Cha]

82. Yeah.. you may but the twitter feeds are loaded with

those who don't. So I think TVO knows Exactly what she's talking about.

[JoeOtterbein]

83. We all know what twitter is full of; Trump and...

...trolls. Many are Russian or at least suspect. We need to stop all trolls now. Everywhere, before it's too late.

[Cha]

86. No.. you can't dismiss with that distraction.

[JoeOtterbein]

88. What? About trolls?

Sorry I get too distracted for you. Does it bother you? If so let me know and I'll be more aware with you.

Are you ok? PM if not. Seriously. I may be able to help.

[redstateblues]

92. But not Bernie? Lol

[Polybius]

123. And we love Bernie too!

I'm happy with either one on the top of the ticket.

[OldRed2450]

33. It would be a shoe in for Trump

[highplainsdem]

41. No kidding.

[JoeOtterbein]

44. Well you do have...

...jokes.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

48. Yes... so obvious that all this talk about sposed disunity between Bernie & Elizabeth supporters

just shows desperation and fear that the nomination is theirs for the taking.


Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

[JoeOtterbein]

51. You are correct.

As usual!

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

65. Thx & have ya noticed the unfair attacks on Bernie increase proportionally to his rise in the polls?

That's not a coinkydink... Bernie is winning and it causes people a lot of unfounded fear. Once it sinks in, however, that Bernie has the best chance of defeating Dolt45 & that his progressive policy positions are resonating with We The People, they will gladly climb aboard the "Bernie Bandwagon" and support his nomination in ever increasing numbers. Mark my words... it's already starting to happen!!


Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

[TexasTowelie]

87. Actually I've noticed the number of unfair attacks on other candidates

(even Warren) as they catch up to and pass Bernie in the polls.

[emmaverybo]

76. That ticket is a dream alright, a nightmare. I hope each of our great superagers would take on a

younger VP if nominated.

[redstateblues]

93. It would be an epic loss

[beastie boy]

13. Sanders/Warren ticket is like M4A. Sounds tempting if you ignore a few facts but it ain't happening

Sanders will not play second fiddle to anyone, and Warren is a Democrat. Ain't happening.

[NurseJackie]

15. Not surprised.

[JoeOtterbein]

26. Sorry Bernie lost your support.

Please take care NurseJackie.

[NurseJackie]

63. Please don't speak for me.

[JoeOtterbein]

67. Sorry. Was I seeing things?

If so, sorry for my hallucinations!

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

78. Yeah, saw that too, so you werent seein things. For every supporter Bernie "loses," he gains 3 more.

Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

[JoeOtterbein]

81. Are you sure? Because NJ is big around here. I've rec'ed her posts many times.

Hold on. Just remembered; in the TV show. Wasn't Nurse Jackie....

...errr

[LanternWaste]

119. Nice, Orwellian bumper sticker

Make the allegation.

Fail to ever support premise with evidence.

Make the allegation again.

Pretend it's real.

1984.






"Seein (sic) things" indeed... :shrug

[W_HAMILTON]

16. I'm leaning towards Warren, but I won't vote for her...

...unless she pledges not to give her delegate support to Sanders. Under no circumstances do I want my vote for Warren to end up being used as a vote for Sanders. Absolutely not. I will vote for my second choice (Biden) if Warren does not pledge to refuse to use her delegates in this way.

[highplainsdem]

19. I'm glad you brought this up. Talk of a fusion ticket could actually exacerbate the differences

between Warren and Sanders supporters, even if the candidates themselves might like to think they could somehow combine all their support.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

38. They CAN and they WILL unite... I guaran-damn-tee it!!

Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

[highplainsdem]

40. Just about zero chance.

[BlueMTexpat]

117. On this, we are 100

percent in agreement!

[OldRed2450]

43. Have you seen how Bernie supporters online talk about warren?

[highplainsdem]

46. The mere fact there's talk of a Warren/Sanders fusion ticket shows desperation.

They know and/or many of their supporters know neither of them has much chance of overtaking Biden to become the frontrunner -- even though Biden is sharing support for not-too-far-leftist policies with Buttigieg, Klobuchar, Bloomberg and others, and the combined support for the liberal-but-not-too-far-leftist candidates would swamp Warren/Sanders.

[redstateblues]

96. The proponents of the BS/EW fusion forget to add up

all the “not too liberal” candidates. Kind of a landslide swamping the Bernie/Liz coalition

[elleng]

54. Geographically undesirable

[totodeinhere]

60. Exactly. They are both from states that the Democratic ticket will surely carry regardless. n/t

[tirebiter]

56. Putin's wet dream ticket

Sanders and Waren combined would 150 years old

[totodeinhere]

59. Well putting Biden on the ticket wouldn't make the ticket much younger either. n/t

[tirebiter]

61. Not the topic at hand

Bernie and Lizzie were. I bet you knew that.

[totodeinhere]

57. Bernie and Elizabeth are both from states that that we will win regardless.

Doesn't it make more sense to pick a VP nominee from a swing state who might help the ticket carry that state in a close election? Plus they are both white. I would like to see a person of color on the ticket if possible. And both are in their 70s. What about balancing the ticket with someone younger?

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

75. Selectin a VP candidate from a swing state didnt help Hillary vs Dolt45 in nearby PA & y the ageism?

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A Sanders/Warren administration would be historic... the 1st ever Jewish & female candidates to be elected President/VP. That would be awesome, though, of course, there are also several persons of color to choose from that would make excellent nominees.


Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

[TwilightZone]

79. Kaine wasn't from PA.

All swing states aren't the same. Assuming otherwise would be foolish.

[napi21]

64. There have been numerous predictions made that is the Dems run a radical candidate they'll loose.

I love both Bernie & Elizabeth, but if they are on one ticket, they'll loose. I freely admit I love their views of the future, but way too many voters from both Dems & Indies don't. Moderate voters see a lot of their ideas are way too out there. We all know we not only need almost all Dems to vote for out candidate but we also need some Indies to vote for us too. I can see maybe a Biden/Warren ticket. or Bernie/Buttigieg or Bernie/ Klobuchar but not two of the same policies.

[boomer_wv]

71. It wouldn't work.

If they were able to keep anyone from a majority, which I doubt will happen, the superdelegates can vote in round 2 and they will swing the nomination from either of them.

[Sloumeau]

72. The best thing for Biden is if they both stay in together.

If they both stay in together, then they split the vote, allowing Biden to win more and more primary votes. Also, if one or both get under 15% in a state, they may not get any delegates at all from that state. That will happen much more often if both of them are still running.

Please, both Warren and Sanders, stay in and vacuum up and split the lefty Progressive Democratic-Socialist vote where it get you the fewest delegates possible.

[democratisphere]

104. Nothing like the smell of 2016 (X2) in the MOURNING!

[brooklynite]

108. The Democrats would lose by Reaganite proportions...

[Amimnoch]

109. It's funny that we're always told we need BS supporters to win,

But this would be interesting to see how BS can do without a large portion of Biden Supporters if they pulled this kind of trick.

Would be a complete disaster for the country, but at least the silver lining would be able to finally shut up that ridiculous oft repeated narrative.

[NurseJackie]

120. That would definitely be a silver lining.

[TidalWave46]

112. They are oil and water.

Warren doesn't need Sanders to stand tall. This bullshit of attaching them needs to stop. I find it to be highly insulting to Warren.

[NYMinute]

114. Senator Warren will NEVER engage in a mutiny like that

[BlueMTexpat]

116. The idea of a fusion ticket between

Sanders and Warren ignores the major fact that neither would willingly be subservient to the other.

They also have very different views of how to accomplish things.

I am pro-Warren because she has actually accomplished things in her life completely outside the political system and has a professional identity associated with those accomplishments. Since she became political, she has not only fought the good fight, but has an impressive list of political accomplishments.

Bernie's first full-time job - in his 40s - was as a politician. As for actual accomplishments - not so much!