Nancy Pelosi, "Establishment Democrat," was elected the same year as Bernie & is the same age

[Cha]

Link to tweet

Planned Parenthood is the "establishment" and so are all the wonderful Dems in the Democratic Black Caucus.. a!nd Rep Adam Schiff and Gerald Nadler... Nancy Pelosi

So are all the Dems who won in the Blue Wave Midterms.. who made it possible to #45IMPEACHED!

[Voltaire2]

1. So your definition of establishment democrats is based on age and year elected?

Interesting.

[Cha]

2. Your post has nothing to do with the OP.

[Voltaire2]

3. "Nancy Pelosi, "Establishment Democrat," was elected the same year as Bernie & is the same age "

lulzd. You crack me up.

[Cha]

4. Nancy Pelosi with the help of the Moderate Dems who

won the Blue Wave Midterms Impeached 45.. and "BS is going to take her on?"

[Thekaspervote]

17. Yeah right?!

Maybe he’ll name another post office!

[Cha]

24. To Nancy Pelosi.. our National Treasure!

Mahalo, Kasper

[Scurrilous]

66. Seems to be a thing...among the far left wing.*

Dennis Kucinich was the primary sponsor of 5 bills that were enacted:

H.R. 5390 (111th): To designate the facility of the United States Postal Service located at 13301 Smith Road in Cleveland, Ohio, as the “David John Donafee Post Office Building."

H.J.Res. 26 (111th): Proclaiming Casimir Pulaski to be an honorary citizen of the United States posthumously.

H.R. 6150 (110th): To designate the facility of the United States Postal Service located at 14500 Lorain Avenue in Cleveland, Ohio, as the “John P. Gallagher Post Office Building."

H.R. 1056 (106th): Small Business Year 2000 Readiness Act.

H.R. 4083 (105th): To make available to the Ukrainian Museum and Archives the USIA television program “Window on America."

https://www.govtrack.us/congress/members/dennis_kucinich/400227


*After being elected to Congress in 1996, Kucinich began to position himself on the far left wing.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dennis_Kucinich

[Cha]

94. Wow.. thanks for that, Scurrilous.. & then Dennis

Kucinich went to fox.. and then he ran for governor of Ohio. I don't know what he's up to now.

[Scurrilous]

125. You're welcome Cha!

[progressoid]

136. Establishment vs Established.

The establishment: the ruling class or authority group in a society; especially, an entrenched authority dedicated to preserving the status quo.

Established: formed, founded, instituted set up in business

[ehrnst]

147. So, which are you referring to?

And please don't quote Jeremy Carl of the Hoover Institute again. Not really a good source for that kind of thing.

[StarfishSaver]

151. "Ruling Class"

Is Bernie saying that Nancy Pelosi, Maxine Waters, John Lewis, et al are "entrenched authorities dedicated to preserving the status quo"?

That might come as a surprise to them.

Can you point to, exactly, what "status quo" they're dedicated to preserving and exactly what they're doing to preserve it?

Of course, Bernie has had all the opportunities in the world to supplant them as members of the "ruling class," but he's chosen instead to remain on the outside yelling about how they're doing it all wrong.

[ehrnst]

155. +1000. (nt)

[Cha]

160. Your post has Nothing to do with the OP..

and That's REALITY.

The Democratic Party is for Working People and holding the trump assholes Responsible for their corruption.

Link to tweet

your trying to drag on my Democratic Party with your insult words is Not Working, progressoid.

But Please Proceed.

[ehrnst]

172. +1000.

[Cha]

175. Mahalo, ehrnst!

[Gothmog]

185. I agree

[Cha]

186. Thank you, Goth!

No kidding! Shine that light on Reality!

[Cha]

187. So what, progressoid? What are you trying to say?

[Cha]

190. ".. ruling class.. "? What are you trying to say?

[Cha]

196. Wrong.

[Sloumeau]

23. Well, let's take a look...

...by starting with an article on NPR from 2016 entitled, "People Keep Talking About 'The Establishment.' What Is It, Anyway?". Link:

https://www.npr.org/2016/02/11/466049701/how-establishment-became-the-buzzword-of-the-2016-election

"It's kind of what we used to call 'The Man,' when you are against The Man," said Nathan Gonzales, editor and publisher of the Rothenberg and Gonzales Political Report. "The establishment has become 'The Man.'"

No one wants to be the square who hates rock 'n' roll. And no one wants to be "establishment" in the 2016 presidential race. Hillary Clinton quickly distanced herself from the label when Bernie Sanders used it against her in the last presidential debate. Republican Jeb Bush only grudgingly accepted the label.

"Fine, I'll take it," he said.

That's too bad for him. As political strategist Mark McKinnon told NPR, this is the most anti-establishment race he has ever seen.

In fact, here's how he defined "establishment": "The measles. A disease. A political disease."

In other words, "the establishment" is apparently slur that Bernie Sanders uses against people that he is running against. I am not particularly worried. Bernie's not going to win anyway.

[Cha]

115. When BS says he will take on the "establishment" Dems..

.. what he is saying is that he is taking on the party that has been a the forefront of Women's, Civil and LGBTQ rights.

[treestar]

133. It appears to be based on the accomplishments from that time

to the present. Effectiveness. It's one thing to rant on about the Establishment but another thing to deliver.

[still_one]

5. There is essentially one candidate who goes out of his way to marginalize what he characterizes

as “establishment” Democrats, implying they are not “real Democrats”, and this is according to HIS definition, which amounts to anyone who doesn’t agree with him

[Cha]

6. Excellent post, still_one.. Thank you!

We need a Uniter.. and that would be Joe Biden in my View!

[myohmy2]

81. "There is essentially one candidate..."

...who went out of his way to marginalize a voter at a meeting...

...who could that be?...

[still_one]

95. So let me understand this. Are you agreeing with the right wing talking point?

There is a big difference between calling an individual out for spewing right wing LIES, and painting "establishment Democrats" as the bad guys

[Cha]

112. Ha! More WhataboutBiden from you.. you can't

debate the OP so you resort to the usual "What About Biden" and you didn't even get that right.

Biden is righteously calling out a Lying RW TROLL.

[ehrnst]

144. ...Actually, another candidate sends out others to do in their stead...

...When the voters aren't around to answer to those accusations...

...or the candidate isn't around to state the case themselves...

Link to tweet

..what was it you were you saying about "venom" earlier?...

..oh yes, i remember...

" "

[billpolonsky]

7. Self reflection is unnecessary...

...if you think everything was great before and don't plan to do anything new.

The Establishment is a dominant group or élite that holds power or authority in a nation or in an organisation. It may comprise a closed social group that selects its own members, or entrenched élite structures in specific institutions. One can refer to any relatively small class or group of people that can exercise control as The Establishment. Conversely, in the jargon of sociology, anyone who does not belong to The Establishment may be labelled an "outsider&quot as opposed to an "insider&quot .

]


[link:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Establishment|

[Cha]

9. BS is the "establishment" just bc he's tries to use it as a slur it means

nothing..

Link to tweet

[Cha]

195. The Democratic Party WON the House Thanks to Nancy

Pelosi.. That was NEW.

[The Valley Below]

8. I love Nancy Pelosi!

[Sloumeau]

10. MeToo :)

[Cha]

19. Yes, Nancy is a National Treasure.. a Uniter not a Divider..

[Sloumeau]

11. Sorry, Senator Bernie Sanders, I love the Democratic Establishment. :)

[Cha]

106. Yes, the Democratic Establishment lke John Lewis, Nancy Pelosi

and all those who fought so hard for our Democracy and Civil Rights for Decades are to honored.. not scorned for someone's agenda.

Mahalo, Sloumeau!

[StarfishSaver]

148. The minute anyone gets to the point where they have the experience to actually get things done

some people try to kneecap them by smearing them as "the establishment." Usually it's done by people who themselves either can't or don't want to do the real work of actually effecting change, but would rather just yell about what needs to be done and blame "the establishment" for not accomplishing it to their satisfaction.

[Cha]

163. Precisely, Starfish.. it's another

horror show playing out

Thank you!

[booley]

12. Maybe we take the time to listen to what Sanders actually says

When Sanders talks about the "establishment he isn't' referring to Planned Parenthood.
He is not referring to someone's age
He isnt talking about someone's gender.

Seriously, by now we should all understand what Sanders means by the establishment. Sanders literally says what he means in the video posted above. Did no one notice a theme in the list of people he plans on taking on? Especially given that the House plans on repealing a number of the taxes that fund the ACA. That seems way more relevant to a medicare for all speech than when Nancy Pelosi was born.

So this all looks way too close to a straw man.

[George II]

14. Oh don't worry, we do understand what he means by the establishment. It's not good.

[booley]

50. Then what is it?

Explain to e what you think Sanders means by Democratic establishment" and maybe provide something that backs that up?

Because anyone who thought Pelosi's age or gender was relevant to the speech Sanders gave is seriously missing the point.

[lapucelle]

68. BS doesn't say what it is in the video. It's an applause line.

It's a straw man of his making. In the video's context, the term is a reference-less, meaningless buzzword.

If you want to see activists protesting the establishment, just watch the local news.

https://www.mynbc5.com/article/f-35-protests-continue-outside-of-bernie-sanders-office-burlington/28590844

[booley]

70. He gave a long list of people and institutions who he says oppose his policies

Insurance companies, Republicans, trump, and yes the Democratic establishment

What might all of these have in common when it comes to Medicare for all, for instance?

Maybe something to do with how money trumps the public good? Not to mention a certain political status quo that many want to maintain (even as it hurts millions) Sorry I had thought the context was obvious. IF you think I got the context wrong, by all means, show me the full speech and we can parse through it together.

If you want to see activists protesting the establishment, just watch the local news.

And this isn't?

Or this?

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/feb/22/dianne-feinstein-sunrise-movement-green-new-deal

How about this one?

https://www.desmoinesregister.com/story/news/politics/elections/2019/11/22/joe-biden-tells-immigration-activist-you-should-vote-trump/4273814002/

I can tell you a big difference from the establishment. Sanders will actually LISTEN to protesters. He won't' condescend. He won't brush them off with "You didn't' vote for me" or "vote for trump"

I also admit I am c0nfused. IF you are genuinely against military spending, isn't Warren a bit of a problem for you? Really all the Contenders are more problematic on this issue than Sanders.

[lapucelle]

84. A publicity stunt at Speaker Pelosi's office isn't local news...

...it's a publicity stunt.

If a politician with a quarter of a century as a Washington insider has a long laundry list of those with whom he is aggrieved, then the problem is likely with the politician.

Democratic Speaker Pelosi has a remarkable list of accomplishments in her years in Washington. She knows how to work hard and get things done. Unfortunately, it is a skill set not every legislator bothers to acquire and cultivate.

[booley]

96. Bit of a double standerd there

When people protest at a Sanders office, they are grassroots

When people do ti at Pelosi's office, it's a publicity stunt.

That seems like a rather self-serving rationalization.

Dont' even care WHY they were protesting at her office.

[betsuni]

100. "When people protest at Sanders office, they are grassroots"

I don't understand this. What protests? Sanders is the one who always calls things grassroots.

[lapucelle]

117. BS's own constituants protesting 10+ weekends against a BS program

that HE imposed on them despite its negative impact on the quality of THEIR proximate environment and everyday lives exemplifies grassroots activism at its best: the people taking on the political establishment.

Not me. Us, indeed.

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/07/10/bernie-sanders-faces-backlash-over-war-machine-he-brought-to-vermont.html

******************************************************************************

Dubious organizations grandstanding in a hall near Speaker Pelosi's office in the interest of staging self-serving, one-off, instagram-ready photo-ops borders on astroturfing.

It's not a "double standerd". It's a distinction with a difference.

******************************************************************************



https://www.opensecrets.org/pacs/expenditures.php?cycle=2018&cmte=C00674697

[Cha]

118. Brilliant post, lapucelle. Thank you for laying

out so well, the difference between constituents, in BS' home state, protesting for over 2 months against the "war machine he brought to Vermont"...

And.. "Dubious organizations grandstanding in a hall near Speaker Pelosi's office in the interest of staging self-serving, one-off, instagram-ready photo-ops borders on astroturfing".

I had no idea this was going on.. "Antiwar candidate Bernie Sanders faces backlash over the $1.2 trillion war machine he brought to Vermont".. Thanks for bringing it to our attention!

Nice touch with the "Not me. Us, indeed."

Well Done!

[lapucelle]

119. And there's this as well.

Bernie Sanders is wrong — twice — in claim about defense budget voting record

Our Ruling
In a campaign video that has been viewed almost 320,000 times on Twitter alone, Sanders made the statement that he has voted against all of Trump’s defense budgets and that he is the only candidate in the Democratic primary to do so.

It is true the Vermont senator has publicly opposed all of the president’s military spending packages, but he has not voted against all of them. Sanders is also wrong to say he is the only candidate in the Democratic primary who has voted against the proposals. In fact, Gabbard is the only candidate who can make that claim.

We rate this statement as False.

https://www.politifact.com/vermont/statements/2019/dec/20/bernie-sanders/bernie-sanders-wrong-twice-claim-about-defense-bud/

[Cha]

122. "Bernie Sanders is wrong -- twice -- in claim about defense budget voting record"

How can BS be so "wrong"?! Why would he say "Wrong" things?!

Bernie Sanders is wrong — twice — in claim about defense budget voting record

Our Ruling

In a campaign video that has been viewed almost 320,000 times on Twitter alone, Sanders made the statement that he has voted against all of Trump’s defense budgets and that he is the only candidate in the Democratic primary to do so.

It is true the Vermont senator has publicly opposed all of the president’s military spending packages, but he has not voted against all of them. Sanders is also wrong to say he is the only candidate in the Democratic primary who has voted against the proposals. In fact, Gabbard is the only candidate who can make that claim.

We rate this statement as False.

https://www.politifact.com/vermont/statements/2019/dec/20/bernie-sanders/bernie-sanders-wrong-twice-claim-about-defense-bud

Wow.. what if there were no one checking up on these statements?!

Mahalo, lapucelle

[sheshe2]

152. Thank you!

[ehrnst]

158. Fact checkers that contradict Senator Sanders are suspect and in the pocket of

big something or other.

They are clearly trying to tear him down because REASONS.

Don't you KNOW that??????

[ehrnst]

146. Sometimes I just have to wonder if it's just plain envy on the part of her haters. (nt)

[Cha]

103. Ha!.. BS gets protested for..

F-35 protests to continue outside of Sanders' office

BURLINGTON, Vt. —
Activists are expected to gather outside Sen. Bernie Sanders' office for the 10th straight week to protest his support of bringing F-35 fighter jets to Burlington International Office.

https://www.mynbc5.com/article/f-35-protests-continue-outside-of-bernie-sanders-office-burlington/28590844

Not a good look for mr green new deal How "establishment" is that?!

Mahalo, lapucelle

[betsuni]

104. Oh my!

[Cha]

105. Now that's a real protest.. not some grandstanding "publicity stunt"

[ehrnst]

145. That's interesting. For many, that would be "disqualifying" in any other candidate. (nt)

[Cha]

164. omg,, YES! BS would be out there BLASTING

whomever.

Thank you for that, ehrnst

[sheshe2]

153. From your link.

The group is listing eight reasons to cancel the program, including that the city base violates military law, and will increase the risk of a nuclear war.

Other concerns by the activists, including increased noise, have been at the forefront of community conversation for more than a year.

The jets are expected to significantly increase noise heard in Burlington, Winooski and other nearby communities that are located under flight paths.

According to an estimate by the Federal Aviation Association, at least 2,640 homes will experience increased noise through 2023, something that local governments are expecting to decrease the value of both quality of living and homes.

Read this again:something that local governments are expecting to decrease the value of both quality of living and homes.

at least 2,640 homes will experience increased noise through 2023, something that local governments are expecting to decrease the value of both quality of living and homes.

…………………………...

This is about the quality of life and financial security for the citizens of VT.

[ehrnst]

154. When one has ambitions far beyond representing one's home state

one's home state inevitably becomes less of a priority.

Or home district.

[sheshe2]

156. Sadly, true.

[Cha]

166. Thank you for that, she! I feel for those people..

Those are their homes that are being invaded with NOISE & Toxic Pollution. Killers to life and Peace and Quiet.. which are valued highly by everyone I know.

Like has been said.. if another candidate would be doing this.. BS would be all over it.

[sheshe2]

169. So much for the Green New Deal.

Toxins, noise pollution and stress on the people in VT.

What about their property values, will they be compensated for their loss? What good will a 15 dollar minimum wage increase do them is they lose 10+ thousand on the value of their homes when they try to sell? Who will buy them?

[Cha]

170. Yeah, don't talk to us

about a "green new deal" when this toxic poisonous junk is brought to Burlington VT in spite of Protests..

Excellent point about "property values"! omg.. which I'm sure the home owners have thought of, too. yeah, who wants to buy into that?

Mahalo, she Unbelievable! You cannot make this shite up.

[Demsrule86]

72. Anyone who disagrees with his economic policies.

[betsuni]

82. Here:

Bernie's whole philosophy is based on the idea that dysfunction in government is caused by money in politics. He wants to be seen as an outsider (and therefore uncorrupted by money in politics) while obviously being a member of the government. He does this by creating a corrupt Establishment beholden to wealthy donors, corporations, lobbyists, Big Pharma, Big Oil, etc., which has abandoned unions and the middle/working class, is the same as Republicans except for "identity politics":

"What being part of the establishment is .. have a super PAC that raised 15 million from Wall St., that throughout one's life raised a whole lot of money from the drug companies and other interests. To my mind, if we do not get a handle on money in politics and the degree to which big money controls the political process in this country, nobody is going to bring about change that is necessary in this country for the middle and working class families." (There are infinite quotes about the establishment just like this)
Creating an enemy (from campaign email) :

"Some of the wealthiest members of the political establishment are hiding behind closed doors -- with their canapes -- plotting to defeat our political revolution."

Way to insult a person or organization not endorsing you:

"We're taking on not only Wall Street and the economic establishment, we're taking on the political establishment. So, I have friends and supporters in the Human Rights Fund and Planned Parenthood. But you know what ... some of these groups are in fact part of the establishment."

[Cha]

107. Yeah, we've been paying attention for years.

[KSNY]

15. Yes, good assessment

Thanks to the OP for the video, but the OP's commentary is unnecessarily dismissive of the ideas expressed in the video.

[booley]

56. Yes, and its so absurdly dismissive

Anyone who watches the video can figure out what the OP is saying has nothing to do with what Sanders was saying.

Its such an obvious straw man.

[Cha]

16. This isn't about "age".. the OP is saying BS

and Nancy have been in Congress the same amount of time and happen to be the same age.. "and he wants to take her on?!"

BS blankets everyone with "establishment" who doesn't support him.

We need a Uniter like Joe Biden!

[Thekaspervote]

20. +1000

[booley]

54. Did you read the OP?

I can understand maybe you didn't' know you could watch the video but the tweet that is responding to it is right there.

Let me help you by pointing it out

"Establishment Democrat," was elected the same year as Bernie & is the same age. There were only 35 women in Congress. She rose to Speaker. Bernie rose to senator of the 2nd least populous state.

So what doe sit say?
Pelosi is as the same age as Sanders
Pelosi is one of "Only 35 women in Congress"

The OPs author then brings up Planned PArenthood, and race and impeachment.

What does any of that have to do with the disconnect between the popularity for Medicare ofor All versus why it has so much opposition in Congress?

Let's make this simple.. if the OP wasn't about Pelosi's age and gender, why does it lead with that? Why doesnt the tweet nor the OP address what Sanders said in the video it's linked too?

[Cha]

79. You don't "understand" anything about me.. stop trying to act

like you do.

This is about emphasizing that BS and Nancy started out at the same time and Nancy as an Established Dem has accomplished Way More than BS has.

[booley]

97. You're right, I dont' know you. And you dont' know me

All I know about you is what you have been saying here.

And what you have been saying here makes no sense in relation to the tweet or the video.

I asked what I thought wa sa very simple question?

if the OP wasn't about Pelosi's age and gender, why does it lead with that? Why doesnt the tweet nor the OP address what Sanders said in the video it's linked too?

[Cha]

99. Your Distraction about "AGE" is NOT Working.

that's what I know.

[lapucelle]

87. She wrote the damn OP.

[betsuni]

92. omg

[booley]

98. Yes I know

But I wanted to give her the benefit of the doubt that maybe she just didnt' read what she was posting.

The alternative is less flattering.

[betsuni]

101. "maybe she just didn't read what she was posting"

How is that possible?

[Cha]

110. It's not. It's evident the poster

doesn't understand the OP by the way he's giving his interpretation.

Thanks, betsuni;candle:

[Cha]

109. lol!

[ehrnst]

157. IKR?

[RazBerryBeret]

31. I don't even comment on Bernie Posts here

it's not worth it. He isn't a favorite, any positive mention will be met with many angry negatives.

[Cha]

102. That's right.. many of us don't like

the divisiveness he's always saying about our Democratic Party.

[Cha]

108. Your post is trying to distract from what the

OP is about.

I don't expect BS supporters to get it.. BS can try to "take on" Nancy Pelosi and all those he labels "establishment" but we fight back.

Nancy is particularly excellent at that.

[Cha]

189. We know BS by.. thanks anyway.

[George II]

13. Excellent tweet and post! Establishment Democrats made our party what it is today, and....

....despite the expected pushback (of which I really don't care) we have the best party in the country.

[KSNY]

18. The video refers to the "establishment's" opposition to single payer healthcare

This is partly due to the influence of corporate money and that of pharmaceutical and health-insurance companies' lobbyists.

[Cha]

21. Bull. Biden's Health plan is favored by more Voters and he's

ahead in the polls. We're here to beat trump not go for BS' mfa.

BS' "corporatist" meme.. has lost all meaning.

[booley]

41. Biden's plan is favored over Medicare for all? Citation?

Maybe but this is the first I am hearing it.

[ehrnst]

149. Here you go:

KFF polling has found broader support for more incremental changes to expand the public health insurance program in this country including a government-administered public option (66%) and for proposals that expand the role of public programs like Medicare and Medicaid (Figure 15 and Figure 16).

https://www.kff.org/slideshow/public-opinion-on-single-payer-national-health-plans-and-expanding-access-to-medicare-coverage/

You're welcome.

[George II]

22. The "Establishment" isn't against single payer and it's NOT partly due to the influence...

...of corporate money. That's simply a smokescreen for a flawed plan.

What the "Establishment" is against is that the ONLY acceptable plan is "single payer". It's not just the "Establishment", it's the majority of the people who live in this country. To the "Establishment" it is NOT a case of all or nothing. If the "Establishment" went along with that we wouldn't have the ACA today.

[OldRed2450]

34. Do you have any proof?

that corporate money and that of pharmaceutical and health-insurance companies is the reason? I mean, that's a pretty slanderous assumption.

[KSNY]

53. sure, the context of the video

and the decades-long record of Democratic administrations (Clinton, Obama) which did not even put single payer on the table when proposing health-care legislation. I'm not attacking anyone, just pointing out that in the context of the video, Sanders mentions the democratic party's reluctance to provide the type of health care Americans deserve.

[MarcA]

60. Exactly how is that slanderous in a legal sense? n/t

[betsuni]

49. No, that's why Republicans oppose any attempt at universal health care.

They are the party against regulating industries like pharmaceutical and insurance companies.

[MarcA]

55. Agreed. An inconvenient truth for some. And certainly Not

a right-wing talking point as some would claim.

[treestar]

134. Is it possible that they don't think

it's a good idea, don't think it will work for this size country, don't think it can get through with the system's tilt towards conservatives or various other reasons you don't agree with; why it is always necessary to make it about the campaign funding? You really believe every representative works directly in the interests of whoever funds them (which would be tough, given that could represent many opposing interests) and that's what you'd do if you were elected?

[YOHABLO]

27. Of which there are two essentially.

[Cha]

123. Yeah, BS ignores all that the Brilliant Achievements that the Dem Party has Accomplished

and goes straight to "Establishment" "Establishment" "Establisment" with some "corporatist" "corporatist" thrown in there for added insult.

[YOHABLO]

25. Besides Bernie can't walk in high heels. Nor look as good.

[Cha]

28. Looks have nothing to do with this.. Nancy is a Uniter

BS is being divisive again.

[YOHABLO]

30. Nancy is not running for President of the Untied States.

[Cha]

39. Really! Joe Biden is.. and he's Uniter, too!

[YOHABLO]

43. Okay, what ever you say.

[ehrnst]

74. Whatevs.

[Cha]

80. I speak the truth.. so yeah.

[ehrnst]

140. The "whatever" response

When someone has no rebuttal, but still wants to think they got the last word, and really told 'em!

[progressoid]

138. Yeah, he's a uniter. Just look at all the Democrats uniting behind him!!

[Cha]

161. Biden sure as hell isn't a divider.

Link to tweet

[ehrnst]

73. So why is Bernie saying that he's taking on "the Democratic Establishment?"

Speaker Pelosi is one of the most powerful, influential and consequential Democrats in decades.

[Cha]

162. The "Democratic Establshment" is on the Front Lines Fighting

Against #45IMPEACHED and corruption in the WH.. but yeah BS is whipping up his fans to take them on.

Link to tweet

Mahalo, ehrnst!

[ritapria]

26. Nancy opposes MFA and the Green New Deal

The Bernie faction of the Party support MFA and the Green New Deal …. We can belong in the same party and have differing points of views on major issues ….The Dem "Establishment" have hastened yet another huge increase in the Defense Budget as well as the birth of Space Force ...The healthcare industry have won another round of legislative victories ……

[Cha]

33. So! Nancy wants to WIN and thinks Building on ACA/:Obamacare

is the best way to GO. I agree! Nancy should know.. that's how she helped Win the Midterms in 2018. She is a National Treasure and a Uniter.

Dems all want what's best for our Planet..

We need a Uniter like Joe Biden.. not someone who is Divisive.

[George II]

35. Neither of those two, as presented, are practical, sensible, or passable.

You're right, we can belong to the same party and have differing points of view on major issues, but MOST of us long-time Democrats don't call those who disagree with us derogatory names.

[StarfishSaver]

165. But when Pelosi disagrees with someone, she just says they have a difference of opinion

She doesn't accuse them of being a sellout or lacking in values.

[betsuni]

167. +1

[beastie boy]

29. "Establishment" as a derogatory term is such a drawback to the Nixon era, it's funny

how today's forward-looking "revolutionaries" use the word while accusing Democrats of being behind times. It is equally nonsensical whether it comes from 78 year old Bernie or 30 year old AOC.

[Sloumeau]

37. beastie boy, hahaha.

Next thing you know, Bernie will refering to "the establishment" as "a bunch of squares".

[Cha]

40. Mahalo, beastie!

[beastie boy]

44. "Establishment" took me way back, when I was wearing an afro and bell bottom jeans.

Aloha, Cha!

[Sloumeau]

52. I was too white and my hair too blond to ever have a an afro...

but I thought they were way cool. I think I need to put some Earth, Wind, and Fire on...

[beastie boy]

57. Technically, I am white too, but some Jews used to don mean afros back then.

Shining star for you to see
What your life can truly be!

[Sloumeau]

59. Hahaha, yes, Seth Rogen has been known to sport a fine looking one of those. :)

[Cha]

114. Well that clears that up!

[Cha]

71. Oh yeah.. Groovy!

Aloha, BB!

[betsuni]

32. "Us" and "Them": Democrats are lumped in with Trump/Republicans and evil corporations as "Them."

And of course the longest and loudest cheering is for going after establishment Democrats.

Will someone please tell these people that the reason President Obama couldn't be "transformative" and "FDR" was total Republican obstruction and not because Democrats don't fight and are bought off? Are they seeing all that the Democrat-controlled Congress is doing? Well, I suppose the superior smug warm feeling of being an "Us" against those corrupt Democrats makes people feel good.

[Sloumeau]

36. You said it, betsuni! :)

[ehrnst]

75. Thank you.

[Cha]

93. Yeah.. he is fooling NO ONE.

Thank you for this excellent post!

[Autumn]

38. How odd that you are calling Planned Parenthood an Establishment Democrat. You know

PP is not a person and it's not a part of the Democratic party. Nice stretch.

[sheshe2]

42. He did however call them part of the Establishment. nt

[Autumn]

48. He didn't say anything about Planned Parenthood in that clip. And PP is not

an "Establishment Democrat," and he said nothing about age. Nice stretch there too.

[sheshe2]

51. Not in that clip.

However, are you denying that he indeed said PP is part of the Establishment?

PS. I was addressing his words from the past. I was not addressing age.

[Autumn]

58. I'm certainly denying that he said PP is part of the Establishment in the clip the OP posted.

Because it's not there but the OP infers it. Age and Bernie "saying" PP is an "Establishment Democrat" is the big part of the OP I replied to. That's not in the clip the OP posted. For that matter, Bernie didn't even call Pelosi an "Establishment Democrat", the OP did.

[betsuni]

83. OP: "Planned Parenthood is the 'establishment' ... ."

Bernie: "We're taking on not only Wall Street and the economic establishment, we're taking on the political establishment. So, I have friends and supporters in the Human Rights Fund, in Planned Parenthood. But you know what ... some of these groups are in fact part of the establishment."

Neither the OP or Bernie called Planned Parenthood an "Establishment Democrat."

[lapucelle]

89. SHE DIDN'T CALL PLANNED PARENTHOOD AN ESTABLISHMENT DEMOCRAT.

Nice stretch...


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[Autumn]

141. Yeah, she kind of did. She lumped an organization in with "the Establishment Dems".

Planned Parenthood is the "establishment" and so are all the wonderful Dems in the Democratic Black Caucus.. a!nd Rep Adam Schiff and Gerald Nadler... Nancy Pelosi

[ehrnst]

142. That's actually using the term in a way that points out how "non-establishment" they really are.

It's called irony.

Ironic statements (verbal irony) often convey a meaning exactly opposite from their literal meaning. In ironic situations (situational irony), actions often have an effect exactly opposite from what is intended.

https://www.dailywritingtips.com/what-is-irony-with-examples/

You see, the Black Congressional Caucus is progressive, and under fire from conservatives, as is Planned Parenthood.

You're welcome!

[lapucelle]

143. She included the unfortunately telling "PP is the establishment" gaffe

made by a candidate in the last cycle.

There is nothing in the post "lumping in" an organization with individuals.

So no, she absolutely didn't.

[progressoid]

139. +1

[paleotn]

46. Hey!

Don't dis Vermont. We cancel out Wyoming's two Rethuglican Senators. No maple syrup for you!

And yes...we have more Senators than Reps and like it that way.

[Hekate]

47. That should burn anyone with a shred of self-awareness

Thanks Cha.

[NBachers]

61. The Internet is singing with multiple memes of Nancy socking it to the Establishment, & looking good

and classy and in charge while doing it!

Bernie? I s’pose there’s a picture of him shouting and pounding a podium somewhere.

[StarfishSaver]

62. If you've been in Congress for 35 years and you're NOT "establishment," you're doing it wrong

Since the whole point is to make change so that your way IS the established way of doing things. If you've been there for 35 years and you're still on the outside yelling and shaking your fist at the people who have moved past you and are working to actually get things done, you haven't been very successful, have you?

I am so not impressed with the railing against the "Establishment" by people who still haven't managed, after all these years, to actually figure out how to establish effect real change.

[jalan48]

63. Thanks a million establishment Dems! We wouldn't be where we are today without ya!

[Cha]

90. We've IMPEACHED trump with the Democratic

House Victory in 2018.

Establishment Dems have accomplished More than BS has.

[Gothmog]

64. I support Nancy Pelosi and the Democratic Party

[Cha]

126. Yes, I support the "Establishment" that BS is

dragging on.

We need a Uniter Not a Divider to be our candidate.

[TexasTowelie]

65. +1

[warmfeet]

67. Nice infighting here.

This will really help the Democrats defeat the orange asshole. Not sure what is going on, but this all looks really bad.

The optics are really, really bad. Fighting among ourselves ensures a repub win. Not what we want, am I correct?

I guess I don't know the answer. To me, however, it looks bad - sure to turn off some voters.

[vsrazdem]

69. Yes, its pathetic.

[Eliot Rosewater]

77. So you obvilusly missed this

https://www.democraticunderground.com/1287390375

SAnders is openly ATTACKING the D party, just in time to fuck us real good for the election.

[Eliot Rosewater]

76. Compare their records of achievement also...the results are stunning.

[highplainsdem]

78. K&R. Thanks, Cha!

[Polybius]

85. He's a year and a half younger

Just sayin'.

[Cha]

91. Yeah, I knew that.. but this is about

BS and Nancy starting out back then and what she's accomplished and what he's accomplished and "he's going after her".

[W_HAMILTON]

86. So tired of that guy.

[PhoenixDem]

88. Bernie is losing it

He is besmirching some of our greatest leaders for a selfish personal gain. Not a good look.

Californians love Speaker Pelosi far far more than the out-of-state non-Democrat. Not very astute politically.

[brutus smith]

111. So it all comes down to if you want status quo, vote Joe. If you want a better way, vote Warren or

Sanders. And please stop dissing Sanders.

[Cha]

113. BS Disses himself. We call him out. There are no "status quo"

candidates.. that's just something divisive that BS pushes.

Link to tweet

[betsuni]

116. Status quo right now is Trump and Republicans.

Please stop dissing Democrats with the "both sides" thing. Warren or Sanders would have to deal with Republicans the same way any other Democratic president would. FDR had large majorities in the House and a Depression that made obstruction by Republican impossible if they wanted to be reelected. It is 2019.

[brutus smith]

127. I didn't diss any Dems. Nice try tho!

[LongtimeAZDem]

130. Yes, you did: "if you want status quo, vote Joe"

[brutus smith]

131. Aaaaa, no I didn't. I made an observation

And if you think Repubs in any way want to work with Dems, you need to pay attention to current events.

[treestar]

135. Status quo is another such term

We are often stuck with it, as the system favors those who don't want change. Look at how hopeless it seems to get rid of the Electoral College. Health care could pass but only if there are enough Democrats, including Establishment ones. It's not the Democrats that prevent single payer, but the Republicans. This kind of critique pretends Republicans don't exist and don't have disproportionate power due to rural land getting more say than city people.

[Peacetrain]

120. Thank You!!!

It is time to stand up for our leaders that are standing up for us.. thank you Cha!!

[Cha]

124. Exactly well put, Peacetrain! "It's time to stand up for our

leaders who are standing up for us"!

I see your OP is 'causing quite a bit of commotion.. that "establishment" word sure has a lot of people bamboozled..

[cwydro]

121. Yeah, lots of luck with that Bernie.

[Gothmog]

128. Why is being an establishement Democrat a bad thing?

I am proud to be a member of the Democratic Party

[cwydro]

129. I completely agree.

I think Bernie is barking up the wrong tree.

He benefits from the Democratic Party, and then he turns around and attacks them. Ugh.

I too am proud to be a member of the Democratic Party. That’s why I’m saying good luck to him (sarcastically). Trying to bite the hand that feeds him. Smh.

[TexasTowelie]

150. +1

[treestar]

132. When will he take on the Republicans?

That's what I would love to know.

If he got the nom., would he just crow about taking out the Democratic Establishment? And not bother to beat Dotard?

[Cha]

159. Well, Biden's taking on trump NOW!

Link to tweet

Mahalo, treestar

[treestar]

171. +1

Aloha Cha!

[NYMinute]

168. Divisive rhetoric

The goal is to inflame the supporters and not try to get new supporters. Demonize a whole subset to make them hate the eventual nominee to set up an "I told you so" moment.

Bernie's rhetoric is stale and he is unsuccessful in attracting anyone new while he has lost more than half his prior support. So now he is trying to demonize the Democratic party to inflict pain and anger instead of any persuasive argument.

[Cha]

174. Way too Diviive! It never ends.

[Gothmog]

173. I stand with Spezker Pelosi

Link to tweet

[underthematrix]

176. And there it is

Link to tweet

[Cha]

177. Thank you for this, underthematrix!

This is absolutely fascinating. The DEMOCRATIC ESTABLISHMENT is the most diverse caucus ever which means he's talking about taking on black and brown political leadership.

[underthematrix]

178. Thank you. I really really try to avoid criticizing any of the candidates but

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this was something I had to respond to. Our BEST protection, as voters against emo-politics is to read read read and to think critically about what we read.

[betsuni]

179. +1

[Gothmog]

180. I like being an Establishment Democrat

I am a proud member of the Democratic Party

Link to tweet

[Cha]

181. Thank you for that, Goth.. it shows

how ridiculous "taking on the Dem Establishment" is.

[Gothmog]

182. It takes years of hard work to earn a slot to the National Convention

I have spent years working inside the party to turn Texas blue and we are making progress. I am proud of being part of the Democratic Party

[Cha]

183. And, most of us Appreciate all the diligence of Dems who

consistently work for the helping The People.. Thank You!

BS ignores the accomplishments of the Democratic "Establishment".. I'm beyond tried of him attempting to make it a dirty word.. he's Not going to do it.

Link to tweet

[betsuni]

184. If the Democratic Establishment is so terrible, why'd they impeach Trump?

We're supposed to believe that Democrats are the biggest roadblock to progress and rig everything and let Republicans push the party to the Right for the last 40 years and are the same as them, yet they impeached a Republican president? Why? I guess for the same reason rich evil oligarchs donate to Democrats even though every candidate wants to repeal Citizens United and raise taxes on corporations and the wealthy -- obviously if they were against that they'd donate to Republicans.

Can't keep track in world.

[Cha]

188. We're not suppose to notice

that.. our intelligence is insulted most days.

[Cha]

191. Nancy Pelosi!

[RandySF]

192. K&R

[ehrnst]

193. I WISH we were a country where Pelosi and Planned Parenthood were "establishment" (nt)

[Cha]

194. Amen!