Mon Dec 23, 2019, 06:45 PM

Mystal: There's not a public facing job I could have IN THIS COUNTRY w/0% support from white people

He has a point:

Link to tweet

Elie Mystal
@ElieNYC

Some friends wonder why I'm so *annoyed* at the Pete campaign

Let's just say that there's not a public facing job I could have IN THIS COUNTRY with 0% support from white people
Allen goddamn Iverson wasn't polling at 0% with white fans. We're not ALLOWED to have 0% white support.So the fact that this man gets to be taken *seriously* for President of the United States, on the theory that he'll *figure out* how to appeal to, like, ANY BLACK PEOPLE later, is just offensive to me. It is daily PROOF that this country thinks that black people are OPTIONAL.

Obviously, I'm biased. My career REQUIRES keeping enough WHITE PEOPLE more or less on board so that I may be allowed to work.

I don't even have the damn option of putting out a Tweet that I think ZERO PERCENT OF WHITE PEOPLE WILL LIKE.

But living in that world for [checks notes] 41 freaking years... watching this great white hope get inflated PURELY on the good vibes from other whites, without even MINIMAL consent from non-whites, just sticks in my craw. It puts me in a bad freaking mood.

If I want to spend ONE FREAKING DAY OF MY LIFE *truly* unconcerned with how white people think of me... I have to go "on vacation"... to Zimbabwe.

And with that: sorry white folks, that you had to experience this moment of black rage today. I'll go back to impeachment now.
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Mystal: There's not a public facing job I could have IN THIS COUNTRY w/0% support from white people (Original post)	StarfishSaver	Dec 2019	OP
According to The Economist's Polling model, Buttigieg might be passed by Bloomberg soon.	bluewater	Dec 2019	#1
It's Biden, Sanders, and Warren. there you have it. Done.	YOHABLO	Dec 2019	#2
So many black voters in the "wine cave"	BuffaloJackalope	Dec 2019	#3
Iowa should not be 1st in our primary ever again.	OldRed2450	Dec 2019	#4
Buttigieg has a clear racial advantage against Biden, Warren, and Sanders in Iowa.	Renew Deal	Dec 2019	#5
Wow	OldRed2450	Dec 2019	#6
OK	StarfishSaver	Dec 2019	#7
Isn't that just math?	treestar	Dec 2019	#8
0% is a bit of an exaggeration	TwilightZone	Dec 2019	#9

Response to StarfishSaver (Original post)

Mon Dec 23, 2019, 06:54 PM

bluewater (5,376 posts)

1. According to The Economist's Polling model, Buttigieg might be passed by Bloomberg soon.

https://projects.economist.com/democratic-primaries-2020/

If he falls to 5th place nationally, Buttigieg is done.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Response to bluewater (Reply #1)

Mon Dec 23, 2019, 07:10 PM

YOHABLO (7,358 posts)

2. It's Biden, Sanders, and Warren. there you have it. Done.

or a Moderate, a Lefty, and a quasi Lefty. Take you pick.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

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Response to StarfishSaver (Original post)

Mon Dec 23, 2019, 07:10 PM

BuffaloJackalope (818 posts)

3. So many black voters in the "wine cave"

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

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Response to StarfishSaver (Original post)

Mon Dec 23, 2019, 07:21 PM

OldRed2450 (710 posts)

4. Iowa should not be 1st in our primary ever again.

All this attention given to Iowa voters months before the first vote should be in SC where our most loyal base is.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Response to OldRed2450 (Reply #4)

Mon Dec 23, 2019, 07:24 PM

Renew Deal (79,990 posts)

5. Buttigieg has a clear racial advantage against Biden, Warren, and Sanders in Iowa.

Biden, Warren, and Sanders would poll better in Iowa if they were white.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

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Response to Renew Deal (Reply #5)

Mon Dec 23, 2019, 07:26 PM

OldRed2450 (710 posts)

6. Wow

Where did that come from? Holy cow.

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primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Response to Renew Deal (Reply #5)

Mon Dec 23, 2019, 07:48 PM

StarfishSaver (18,486 posts)

7. OK

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Response to StarfishSaver (Original post)

Mon Dec 23, 2019, 08:13 PM

treestar (79,869 posts)

8. Isn't that just math?

There are still 65% white people or so in the US population. It will still take a while until they are a minority and then the majority will be not white but also not all the same race.

A Democrat cannot have 0% minority support and win and if that is what Mayor Pete has, he's not going to be nominated by the Democratic party. Even if IA and NH give one "momentum" it would have to include the momentum bringing in the African American base of the Democratic Party.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Response to StarfishSaver (Original post)

Mon Dec 23, 2019, 08:16 PM

TwilightZone (21,191 posts)

9. 0% is a bit of an exaggeration

Quinnipiac has him at 4% nationally.

https://poll.qu.edu/images/polling/us/us11262019_uaov53.pdf/

Other polls seem to be in the same ballpark.

Ipsos/538 has the percentage that would consider voting for him at 16%.

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/our-poll-shows-buttigiegs-new-supporters-look-a-lot-like-his-old-ones/

He can't win with those numbers, of course, so the underlying claim is valid, but the claims that he has zero support and that no black people would consider voting for him are a bit of hyperbole.

The 0% claim might have come from a Q poll in which Buttigieg had less than 1% black support in South Carolina. Not good.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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