Democratic insiders: Bernie could win the nomination

[Hassin Bin Sober]

Democratic insiders: Bernie could win the nomination

https://www.politico.com/news/2019/12/26/can-bernie-sanders-win-2020-election-president-089636

Suddenly, Bernie Sanders’ presidential campaign is being taken seriously.

For months the Vermont senator was written off by Democratic Party insiders as a candidate with a committed but ultimately narrow base who was too far left to win the primary. Elizabeth Warren had skyrocketed in the polls and seemed to be leaving him behind in the race to be progressive voters’ standard-bearer in 2020.

But in the past few weeks, something has changed. In private conversations and on social media, Democratic officials, political operatives and pundits are reconsidering Sanders’ chances.
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“It may have been inevitable that eventually you would have two candidates representing each side of the ideological divide in the party. A lot of smart people I’ve talked to lately think there’s a very good chance those two end up being Biden and Sanders,” said David Brock, a longtime Hillary Clinton ally who founded a pro-Clinton super PAC in the 2016 campaign. “They’ve both proven to be very resilient.”

[oldsoftie]

1. I do not believe he can win in the delegate-heavy states.

And the average Joe is not going to vote for him either.
All my opinion, and we'll see by the end of March.

[TexasTowelie]

7. +1

[madville]

51. All Bernie really needs is for Biden to have a big stumble

What that could be exactly is up to anyone's imagination. The media wants a horse race of course.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

52. Not hard to imagine... but then Joe may yet recover. Anything is certainly possible.

Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together & can't be bought!!
Jump on the Bernie Bandwagon & join the revolution!!

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

53. Yeah riiiight... the delegate-heaviest state of California is COMPLETELY outta reach for Bernie...

or maybe Bernie should just quit while he's still ahead in first place there!!


Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together & can't be bought!!
Jump on the Bernie Bandwagon & join the revolution!!

[oldsoftie]

57. As of Dec 25th, Biden leads CA. Slightly.

According to 538.com

[onetexan]

2. Uh..no

[bucolic_frolic]

3. Hope millennials will unite behind the Democratic ticket no matter what

so we don't repeat 2016

[JoeOtterbein]

4. Bernie WILL win! Also...

....

By HOLLY OTTERBEIN and DAVID SIDERS

12/26/2019 05:04 AM EST

[Hassin Bin Sober]

10. Sorry I had to scoop you.

But you were asleep at the switch.

[JoeOtterbein]

35. Holly is here now and I told her, you had already posted it when I checked in...

...this morning. She loves hearing when someone else scoops me on DU, in one of her articles!

Thanks, for making her smile! (everyone here is a little "groggy" this morning, LOL!)

[brush]

39. He's not doing so well with black and other POC voters. Can't win without them.

[CentralMass]

47. +1

[George II]

5. He can't even crack 20% in most polled states...

[Thekaspervote]

13. +1000

[David__77]

20. Danny Glover endorses Bernie Sanders.

https://m.

Just thought I’d note that, as I saw that lovely image of that wonderful man.

[The Valley Below]

34. Danny Glover? The pal of the late dictators Fidel Castro and Hugo Chavez?

The pal of ousted the democratic-socialist leader Evo Morales?

And the current democratic-socialist dictator Nicolas Maduro?

Good lord.

[David__77]

36. Danny Glover, advocate for voting for Hillary Clinton.

... https://www.timesofisrael.com/danny-glover-clinton-and-sanders-united-on-israel/

[The Valley Below]

38. The article makes clear Danny Glovers support for the radical Boycott, Divestment and Sanctions

movement.

The guy is a disaster.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

54. BOOOOOOOOMMM!!!!

Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together & can't be bought!!
Jump on the Bernie Bandwagon & join the revolution!!

[The Valley Below]

60. Boom? Fidel Castro, Daniel Ortega, Hugo Chavez, Evo Morales and Nicolas Maduro?

And supporting BDS?

Gimme a break!

Danny Glover's endorsement would be a disaster if BS were to make it into a general election.

[TheFarseer]

21. Is that Danny Glover?

You know he endorsed Bernie right?

[LongtimeAZDem]

28. That makes it even funnier

[Gothmog]

45. According to the article cited in OP, sanders is bouncing between floor and ceiling

It appears that sanders has a firm ceiling that he will not exceed. This is from the article cited in op

Many moderate Democrats still dismiss Sanders’ candidacy. They believe his so-called ceiling remains intact and that Warren will depress any room for growth he might otherwise have.

“He can’t win the nomination,” said Matt Bennett, co-founder of the center-left group Third Way, adding that Sanders’ uptick is simply him “bouncing around between his ceiling and his floor a little bit more than people had thought he would.”

[Sloumeau]

6. Odds are that Bernie Sanders won't win the nomination...

but he could very well take second place. That's a heck of a lot better than finishing like, say, Tulsi Gabbard will end up.

[Midwestern Democrat]

40. Honestly, that's how I always thought the primary would probably shake out - Biden #1 Sanders #2

Warren #3- and it wasn't exactly a bold prediction to make - after all, they were the three best known figures to enter the race. Buttigieg's the only candidate that's really advanced his position in this race beyond where he started at.

[Wawannabe]

8. Wishful thinking.

He should just go away because he is not a Democrat. He is splitting the Democratic party once again. He will not be gracious if he doesn’t get the nomination and it will be 2016 all over again. I do not want a repeat!

[samnsara]

11. we dont need any hanger-onners sucking up needed resources...

[milestogo]

12. Sounds like you are wishing he would just go away, and I can assure you that he won't.

[LongtimeAZDem]

15. I agree; he'll stay in to the bitter end, even if it costs us the election

[Demsrule86]

19. He will wnen he loses the nomination.

[LongtimeAZDem]

24. I doubt it

[Demsrule86]

42. You have a point...let's hope he manages not to hurt our nominee.

[Thekaspervote]

17. There is a part that will be repeated from 2016... bernie looses

[Hassin Bin Sober]

23. But he is a Democrat

You must not be aware of the fact Bernie is a member of the Senate Democratic Leadership


Best with sound on:

Link to tweet

[David__77]

27. Anyone who wants to know if he's a Democratic presidential candidate can ask Tom Perez.

I believe he would say yes.

Of course, opinions are as always varied.

[brush]

41. Only when it benefits him. Seen the movie in 2016. Doesn't end well.

[George II]

29. You've posted that video three times since the weekend. So what is that leadership position...

...and what is it's responsibilities?

[Wawannabe]

49. Oh. I'm aware that Bernie is part of Dem caucus

But he’s an Independent. Running as an Independent for Senator and gets to run as a Democratic presidential candidate. I think it’s wrong - and I assure you - Bernie Sanders is no Democrat!

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

76. So you'd rather kick Bernie out of the Democratic primary and force him to run as an Independent?

Even though that would GUARAN-DAMN-TEE the PEE-resident 4 more years?! Just curious about your answer.


Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together & can't be bought!!
Jump on the Bernie Bandwagon & join the revolution!!

[Wawannabe]

78. I've got nothing to do with Bernie being

Allowed to run as a Democratic presidential candidate. The DNC does. I disagree with it ever being allowed and he is an awful representative. It is what it is, and I can call him out for it in this Democratic Primary debate forum because I do not want to him nominated and this is the best time and venue to make that case!

You attempt to make me look like I am for tRump by YOUR words. This is the very space on DU for me to make my case against Bernie as the nominee.

You presume that Bernie is the likely nominee. He is not. And I will repeat - he is an Independent by his own choice.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

56. Thanks for pointing this out... I know the truth hurts for some, but it needs to be said!!

Bernie exudes Democratic leadership, like no other Democrat!!


Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together & can't be bought!!
Jump on the Bernie Bandwagon & join the revolution!!

[Me.]

9. Oh PLease

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

14. God help us.

[George II]

18. Interesting that big bad David Brock is suddenly great in the eyes of BS supporters!!!

[Joe941]

16. Yet DU tells me he is doing so poorly he needs to drop out?

[Demsrule86]

22. It is pretty clear , he will not be the nominee.

Sure he has my vote in a general if I am wrong.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

55. No, Bernie's doin so poorly, as he rises steadily in the polls, he should've dropped out MONTHS ago!

Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together & can't be bought!!
Jump on the Bernie Bandwagon & join the revolution!!

[stranger81]

62. So say the dozen or so centrists who spend all day every day

posting here, slagging off anyone to the left of the Third Way and high-fiving each other for their supposed cleverness. . . .

There's a whole big wide world out there that doesn't give a whit about what those dozen people think. Myself included.

[Hassin Bin Sober]

64. Bingo.

[myohmy2]

67. +1

...you've nailed it...

[David__77]

25. maybe... maybe not.

I think his candidacy will have a good impact on the country and on the Democratic Party.

[The Valley Below]

30. Uh...no.

[David__77]

31. We have diversity of opinion!

...

[The Valley Below]

32. A very strong one.

[OhZone]

26. Maybe -

I could still win too! HA!

[oasis]

65. You 'll get my vote if it comes down to the two of you.

[R B Garr]

33. LOL, all of a sudden "insiders" are a Thing...

[comradebillyboy]

37. Insiders like Michale Moore or Susan Sarandon?

[Peacetrain]

43. What ever floats your boat..

[Gothmog]

44. I hope that media starts vetting sanders

If the media starts covering sanders, then the media will also start vetting sanders which will be fun

Link to tweet

While Sanders’ supporters complain relentlessly that he has received less attention from the media than other candidates, he has also avoided sustained criticism that some of his rivals have suffered. That could be helping him, especially compared with Warren, who has recently come under fire from the left and center for her health care plan.

“If you really think about it, Bernie hasn’t been hit a lot with anything. It’s not like he’s getting hit by other campaigns,” said Michael Ceraso, a former New Hampshire director for Pete Buttigieg’s campaign who worked for Sanders in 2016. ….

If Sanders’ candidacy continues to be taken seriously, he will eventually be subjected to the scrutiny that Warren and Biden have faced for prolonged stretches. That includes an examination of his electability. “That conversation has never worked well for anyone,” Pfeiffer said

There is so much oppo that is out there on sanders that trump would win 45+ states by merely playing the video clips of sanders praising Cuba, socialism, and Central American regimes on a loop.

[Zeus69]

48. This is correct

I truly feel moderates will stay home or vote "the economy".

[msongs]

46. that would be a sad thing nt

[Uncle Joe]

50. Kicked and recommended.

Thanks for the thread Hassin Bin Sober.

[still_one]

58. If Sanders somehow became the nominee, i would be as enthusiastic for him as he was for Hillary

[Hassin Bin Sober]

61. Revisionist history

[doc03]

59. And Trump would love it nt

[highplainsdem]

63. +1,000,000

[myohmy2]

66. love it...

" “I believe people should take him very seriously. He has a very good shot of winning Iowa, a very good shot of winning New Hampshire, and other than Joe Biden, the best shot of winning Nevada,” said Dan Pfeiffer, who served as an adviser to former President Barack Obama. “He could build a real head of steam heading into South Carolina and Super Tuesday.” "

...WOW WEE WOW WOW…more powerful than a locomotive...

...but wait...

...when Bernie wins the nomination will Biden enthusiastically support him?

...I'm worried...

[LongtimeAZDem]

68. ...Biden has a proven record of supporting Democrats...Bernie does not...

[myohmy2]

69. has Joe...

...said he would enthusiastically support Bernie should Bernie win the nomination?

...I haven't heard Joe say that...

[LongtimeAZDem]

70. ...He has signed the loyalty pledge...

...which says...

I pledge to:

Make the primary constructive. I’ll respect the other candidates and make the primary election about inspiring voters with my vision for the future.

Rally behind the winner. I’ll support the ultimate Democratic nominee, whomever it is — period. No Monday morning quarterbacking. No third-party threats. Immediately after there’s a nominee, I’ll endorse.

Do the work to beat Trump. I will do everything in my power to make the Democratic Nominee the next President of the United States. As soon as there is a nominee, I will put myself at the disposal of the campaign.

...And he has a record of actually doing that, unlike Sanders...

...you need to...

...pay more attention...

[myohmy2]

71. thank you...

...I will try...

[BlueMTexpat]

72. Only if Biden and Warren

drop out. IMO, of course.

[Hassin Bin Sober]

73. Sounds like a plan!

[Peacetrain]

74. Nah...not happening.. but it is always good to have a positive attitude.

[BlueMTexpat]

77. ...

[Hortensis]

75. "All that socialism means to me, to be very frank with you, is democracy

with a small ‘d.’ I believe in democracy, and by democracy I mean that, to as great an extent as possible, human beings have the right to control their own lives. And that means that you cannot separate the political structure from the economic structure. One has to be an idiot to believe that the average working person who’s making $10,000 or $12,000 a year is equal in political power to somebody who is the head of a large bank or corporation. So if you believe in political democracy, if you believe in equality, you have to believe in economic democracy as well.”

Whaat? He keeps saying democracy working as it should is socialism. NO, it's not. Not even close.

Economic democracy definition: A socioeconomic philosophy that proposes to shift decision-making power from corporate managers and corporate shareholders to a larger group of public stakeholders that includes workers, customers, suppliers, neighbors and the broader public.

Gotcha. He believes in seizure of government and capitalist institutions for joint communal ownership and employment. Socialism of our entire economic system. Why doesn't he just say so? Honestly? He used to, long ago when no one was listening to him.

[Wawannabe]

79. Just