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Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin

(136,288 posts)
Thu Dec 26, 2019, 09:38 PM Dec 2019

Backlash to Pete Buttigieg's Christmas tweet and the religious divide it exposes

This Christmas, South Bend, Ind., Mayor Pete Buttigieg sought to draw his followers to a sacred story that helps shape the presidential candidate’s worldview and politics. But the pushback he received — mostly from conservative Christians — illuminates how one of the burgeoning culture wars during the 2020 election is the meaning of Christianity.

Buttigieg, an Episcopalian who often discusses his faith on the campaign trail, sought to tie the Nativity story to some of the issues dominating political discourse. He tweeted:

“Today I join millions around the world in celebrating the arrival of divinity on earth, who came into this world not in riches but in poverty, not as a citizen but as a refugee. No matter where or how we celebrate, merry Christmas."

-snip-

During a March CNN town hall, Buttigieg wondered aloud how Vice President Pence, a conservative Christian who built a national profile by supporting legislation critics said would discriminate against gay people, could support Trump, who used to be a staple of New York tabloids for his playboy lifestyle.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/elections-2020/backlash-to-pete-buttigiegs-christmas-tweet-and-the-religious-divide-it-exposes/ar-BBYmEzs?li=BBnb7Kz

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Backlash to Pete Buttigieg's Christmas tweet and the religious divide it exposes (Original Post) Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Dec 2019 OP
as a nonbeliever, this subject is fascinating and worthy of deep analysis. Kurt V. Dec 2019 #1
As a nonbeliever, this subject is mildly amusing, then quickly forgotten Merlot Dec 2019 #11
as a believer... myohmy2 Dec 2019 #18
Much ado about nothing Joinfortmill Dec 2019 #2
Pete is showing one way to skin the cat. BootinUp Dec 2019 #3
That's catist! Merlot Dec 2019 #12
Well it's an old saying for sure. nt BootinUp Dec 2019 #13
I was expecting a statement that could be interpreted as controversial Hav Dec 2019 #4
+1 redqueen Dec 2019 #23
How in the world could any real Christian object to this? mcar Dec 2019 #5
The key word is Dave in VA Dec 2019 #6
That's a beautiful tweet... obviously I'm not a conservative Christian. SMC22307 Dec 2019 #7
Meh. WhiskeyGrinder Dec 2019 #8
Boy, is that a misleading headline or what? PatrickforO Dec 2019 #9
jesus wasn't even born in december.. what a waste of blabbering pangaia Dec 2019 #10
There's quite a compelling case to be made that he's an entirely fictitious character ... mr_lebowski Dec 2019 #14
I considered that when I posted, :) pangaia Dec 2019 #22
Is this how you begin birthday cards? Renew Deal Dec 2019 #16
But, but.. it is not a real birthday... pangaia Dec 2019 #21
My least fav thing about him - stop talking about religion!!! Runningdawg Dec 2019 #15
Where's the problem? lees1975 Dec 2019 #17
As a former Christian, now atheist, I still believe it is okay for a candidate to be "guided" by Capt. America Dec 2019 #19
Pete's got it all over tRump when it comes to being Christian. That'll show in the GE should KPN Dec 2019 #20
 

Kurt V.

(5,624 posts)
1. as a nonbeliever, this subject is fascinating and worthy of deep analysis.
Thu Dec 26, 2019, 09:42 PM
Dec 2019
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Merlot

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11. As a nonbeliever, this subject is mildly amusing, then quickly forgotten
Thu Dec 26, 2019, 11:43 PM
Dec 2019
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myohmy2

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18. as a believer...
Fri Dec 27, 2019, 12:32 AM
Dec 2019

...I'm shocked and dismayed...

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Joinfortmill

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2. Much ado about nothing
Thu Dec 26, 2019, 09:44 PM
Dec 2019

We have much bigger things to worry about, like a traitor in the White House.

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BootinUp

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3. Pete is showing one way to skin the cat.
Thu Dec 26, 2019, 09:48 PM
Dec 2019

And he’s very good at it.

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Merlot

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12. That's catist!
Thu Dec 26, 2019, 11:43 PM
Dec 2019
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BootinUp

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13. Well it's an old saying for sure. nt
Thu Dec 26, 2019, 11:55 PM
Dec 2019
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Hav

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4. I was expecting a statement that could be interpreted as controversial
Thu Dec 26, 2019, 09:52 PM
Dec 2019

But it seems that people feel the disconnect between what their religion supposedly preaches and their hatred, especially in regards to immigrants and the poor. Instead of trying to reconcile that, they lash out.

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redqueen

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23. +1
Fri Dec 27, 2019, 12:30 PM
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mcar

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5. How in the world could any real Christian object to this?
Thu Dec 26, 2019, 09:54 PM
Dec 2019
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Dave in VA

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6. The key word is
Thu Dec 26, 2019, 10:03 PM
Dec 2019

"real"

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SMC22307

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7. That's a beautiful tweet... obviously I'm not a conservative Christian.
Thu Dec 26, 2019, 10:10 PM
Dec 2019

I'm not even religious, but appreciate this tack Buttigieg is taking. The Religious Left needs to be heard.

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WhiskeyGrinder

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8. Meh.
Thu Dec 26, 2019, 10:29 PM
Dec 2019

Also, according to the story, Christ came into the world as a citizen, counted where Joseph was from, and *then* the family fled into Egypt. Picky, but this lapsed Catholic can't help it.

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PatrickforO

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9. Boy, is that a misleading headline or what?
Thu Dec 26, 2019, 10:51 PM
Dec 2019

One thing I'll for sure agree with. If Jesus came to earth again and began preaching the same things he did in the Gospel of Matthew, Chapters 5-7, Trump supporting evangelicals would ridicule him, then smear him, then threaten him, and then finally...



they would CRUCIFY him.




Because the Republican platform, and our 'free market' capitalist utopia has absolutely no resemblance to anything that you could actually call Christian.

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pangaia

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10. jesus wasn't even born in december.. what a waste of blabbering
Thu Dec 26, 2019, 11:13 PM
Dec 2019
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mr_lebowski

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14. There's quite a compelling case to be made that he's an entirely fictitious character ...
Fri Dec 27, 2019, 12:00 AM
Dec 2019

which would, of course mean that he was never born at all.

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pangaia

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22. I considered that when I posted, :)
Fri Dec 27, 2019, 11:01 AM
Dec 2019

So I figured I was including both possibilities... WRONG birth day, or NO birthday.


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Renew Deal

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16. Is this how you begin birthday cards?
Fri Dec 27, 2019, 12:19 AM
Dec 2019

Dear xxxxx,
Today I am attending your party, but today isn't even your real birthday. Happy Birthday anyway. Love, Me

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pangaia

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21. But, but.. it is not a real birthday...
Fri Dec 27, 2019, 11:00 AM
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Runningdawg

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15. My least fav thing about him - stop talking about religion!!!
Fri Dec 27, 2019, 12:14 AM
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lees1975

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17. Where's the problem?
Fri Dec 27, 2019, 12:26 AM
Dec 2019

It's that Buttigieg said it. It's the context. If GWB, who was a Methodist not an Evangelical, had said it, they'd point to it as proof he was one of them.

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Capt. America

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19. As a former Christian, now atheist, I still believe it is okay for a candidate to be "guided" by
Fri Dec 27, 2019, 12:46 AM
Dec 2019

Christian (Buddhist, etc.) ethics (as I still am) but there is a fine line between personal belief and secular responsibility in the public sphere.
As long as a candidate or elected official does not attempt to make public policy that benefits one specific religion it is okay that the genesis of the policy may also align with a personal faith.

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KPN

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20. Pete's got it all over tRump when it comes to being Christian. That'll show in the GE should
Fri Dec 27, 2019, 12:48 AM
Dec 2019

he win the nomination. He'd be tough to beat in my view.

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