A compilation of oppo research on Bernie Sanders

[NYMinute]

Compiled by David Mack of Buzzfeed, well-researched and with references to congressional record and main stream media. These are not talking points but actual facts with citations.

NOTE: None of the citations are from right-wing sources

https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/3157291-151101-Sanders-Top-Hits-Thematics.html

[George II]

1. Some amazing, and surprising, little nuggets in that document. A must read....

BTW, it's downloadable as a PDF.

[LongtimeAZDem]

2. And that doesn't even cover some of the most egregious character issues

[TheRickles]

3. Posting oppo research on a Dem candidate?

Are you making an exception for Bernie here, or can we look forward to future posts with opposition research on Biden, Buttigieg, Klobuchar, Warren and the rest? Seems a bit inconsistent with DU's mission....

[TwilightZone]

5. Oppo research on Dem candidates is posted all the time.

Other posters just don't call it oppo research. Digging up decades-old quotes on Biden or Warren's fundraising history (vs. her current stance) or what Buttigieg said in 2011 or how Klobuchar allegedly treated her staff is all oppo research.

It's the majority of what some posters post, in fact.

[George II]

7. I don't think anybody is stopping oppo research on any of the candidates you mention...

Why not post some if there is any?

[treestar]

8. Yes, and it's called vetting, so we are told

We've done tons of Biden issues.

The wine cave.

The salad comb.

[Squinch]

10. We call it "A Primary."

[Recursion]

13. Welcome to the primary season (nt)

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

51. It's called the "Bernie Standard," which, as the name implies, doesn't apply to other candidates...

Dontcha know?!


Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together & can't be bought!!
Jump on the Bernie Bandwagon & join the revolution!!

[MrsCoffee]

79. That's called cognitive dissonance.

Because no one has ever dug up or posted dirt on any other primary candidate here.


FFS. Do some of you even read what you type? Or does the cog diss blur all reality?

[BannonsLiver]

135. Yes! A thousand times yes!

[Stellar]

89. Hear, hear!!!

[SidDithers]

126. It's called the "Hillary Standard" and you helped set it...nt

Sid

[Gothmog]

4. There is a ton of oppo out there on sanders

[Recursion]

14. As in, Steve Bannon's folder on him was allegedly four volumes, each several inches thick (nt)

[Gothmog]

17. With videos of a number of lectures by sanders that would make great attack ads

sanders is on film praising Castro, Central American socialists, Socialism and Russia that would be easy to make into attack ads.

If sanders is the nominee, trump will win 45+ states

[Recursion]

19. Yuup

It will make Mondale look like William the Conqueror

[calimary]

23. No kidding!

[Gothmog]

34. I am convinced that trump would win 45+ states if sanders is the nominee

This would make McGovern’s results in 1972 look great

[NJCher]

76. don't quit your day job!

For that of a political analyst. Your comment shows you fail to understand why a substantial percentage of people voted for Trump.

That percentage would easily go for Bernie if he were the candidate.

That's where your reasoning is off.

[betsuni]

83. Why would Trump voters vote for anyone running as a Democrat?

A substantial percentage of people voted for Trump because of racism and stupidity. Why would they vote for Bernie?

[Gothmog]

105. I agree with you

trump supporters would not vote for sanders in the real world.

There is so much oppo out there on sanders that I am convinced that trump could win 45+ states if sanders is the nominee

[Gothmog]

99. If sanders was the nominee, trump would run ads using this and other oppo on sanders

There is video of sanders praising Castro, Socialism, socialist central American leaders and the old Soviet Union that would kill sanders. I hate to break it to you but sanders is not that popular outside his base. sanders is not likely to be the nominee in that there are a large number of real democrats who have good memories and who will not forgive or forget what sanders has done in the past.

In the meantime, I will be busy working to turn Texas blue. I am so glad that sanders will not be the nominee in that sanders would set back our efforts to turn Texas blue.

[NJCher]

110. here's what trump will talk about

in the unlikely event Biden were to get the nomination:

he will talk about how Biden's son had a contract with a Ukrainian gas company where he earned an astronomical amount of money, far more than his years/experience would give him under any other circumstances
Trump will talk about how Hunter Biden is involved in a paternity suit with a former stripper
He will talk about how Hunter Biden couldn't even open the car door for his pregnant wife and she had to do it herself because Hunter was trying to escape the media
Then he will bring up that Hunter was involved with his deceased brother's former wife while stripper baby mama was having Hunter's baby and oh btw this has been proved with certainty through DNA testing

I won't even go into the drug stuff, even though trump will, quite happily.

Now I could go on and on and on because there's way more sleazy stuff, but I don't have to tell anybody that people's eyes glaze over at some decades-old clip about Bernie praising a Socialist. Sorry, but it's just not relevant and furthermore, the "socialism" claim just doesn't hold the same weight it did back at the height of McCarthyism. You really do need to get out more often, dearie.

[Gothmog]

112. LOL-trump has tried this already and it FAILED

The press has looked into the Ukraine issues and found nothing there

Link to tweet

Link to tweet

Link to tweet

Link to tweet

trump is truly afraid of Biden and so far has found nothing that will stick. trump would love to run against a very far left and weak candidate like sanders.

There is very little chance that sanders will be the nominee of the party. There is too much oppo and there are a large number of real democrats who have good memories and will not forgive or forget what sanders has done. I see no need to remake the Democratic Party into sanders' image or to embrace sanders' dream of some sort of voter revolution that has not happened and will never happen.

Again, I live in the real world where I and a good number of real democrats are working to turn Texas blue. We are making progress and Texas will be a battleground state when Biden is the nominee. If sanders was the nominee, then Texas will not be a battleground state and most down ballot candidates in Texas will lose

[SunSeeker]

36. Yup. And being able to say "I told you so" would be absolutely no consolation.

[Beringia]

6. If you look at David Mack's page, it is all salacious superficial stuff

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/author/davidmack

[George II]

9. Which is this, salacious or superficial?

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/davidmack/trump-impeachment-nancy-pelosi-reaction-democrats-applaud

[thesquanderer]

11. Superficial. (n/t)

[George II]

12. It was a pretty big story for two or three days after that happened.

[thesquanderer]

15. More importantly, Mack didn't compile that Sanders document. It came from the 2016 Clinton campaign.

It was in the Podesta wikileaks email dump. Here's the source.

https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/fileid/21823/6606

All Mack did was "contribute" the file to buzzfeed. (Without attribution.)

But to Beringia's point, yeah, Mack's page is full of the kind of things you find on those pages that have endless little clickbait boxes to take you to all kinds of sensationalistic stuff. It's got about the depth of Us magazine. Even the article you pointed to, probably the "best" thing he has there, focuses on the faces Pelosi was making, complete with clips. Buzzfeed ain't the New York Times. Heck, it ain't even HuffPo.

[Gothmog]

21. The trump campaign has a great deal more oppo

There are numerous videos of sanders teaching a course where sanders praised Castro and other socialist leaders. These videos would make great attack ads

[Fiendish Thingy]

28. Those ads will lose their punch when juxtaposed to ads with Trump and Putin

And other dictators.

[NYMinute]

39. Trump's follies are already baked in -- you can't shock anyone with them nt

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

80. CRAP LIKE THIS IS HOW YOU KNOW BERNIE IS WINNING... CELEBRATE!!

Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together & can't be bought!!
Jump on the Bernie Bandwagon & join the revolution!!

[George II]

96. No he isn't:

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2020/president/us/2020_democratic_presidential_nomination-6730.html

[Gothmog]

107. This is material from 2016 that was NOT needed

You do realize that the material in the OP was material hacked from John Podesta by Russia and posted on Wikileaks. The Clinton never used this material because sanders had been mathematically eliminated by the results of the w016 Super Tuesday primaries

[TexasTowelie]

16. K&R! nt

[aikoaiko]

18. That's it? I skimmed but almost all of this is out there already.

And Bernie is still in the top tier.

As far as this list it opposition research in a GE battle with Trump, there is nothing there.

Did they produce the same reports for others in the top tier?

[Gothmog]

22. That was the Clinton file from three years ago

The material here was designed to used in the 2016 primary. trump has his own oppo on sanders that is designed for use in a general election contest. trump has videos of sanders that would be made into very effective attack ads. If sanders was the nominee, trump would win 45+ states

[Gothmog]

20. The material above is not the trump oppo file

Trump had a two foot thick book of oppo research on Sanders http://www.newsweek.com/myths-cost-democrats-presidential-election-521044

They ignored the fact that Sanders had not yet faced a real campaign against him. Clinton was in the delicate position of dealing with a large portion of voters who treated Sanders more like the Messiah than just another candidate. She was playing the long game—attacking Sanders strongly enough to win, but gently enough to avoid alienating his supporters. Given her overwhelming support from communities of color—for example, about 70 percent of African-American voters cast their ballot for her—Clinton had a firewall that would be difficult for Sanders to breach....

So what would have happened when Sanders hit a real opponent, someone who did not care about alienating the young college voters in his base? I have seen the opposition book assembled by Republicans for Sanders, and it was brutal. The Republicans would have torn him apart. And while Sanders supporters might delude themselves into believing that they could have defended him against all of this, there is a name for politicians who play defense all the time: losers....

The Republicans had at least four other damning Sanders videos (I don’t know what they showed), and the opposition research folder was almost 2-feet thick. (The section calling him a communist with connections to Castro alone would have cost him Florida.) In other words, the belief that Sanders would have walked into the White House based on polls taken before anyone really attacked him is a delusion built on a scaffolding of political ignorance.

The OP may be stuff that the Clinton campaign had but did not use against sanders

Link to tweet

[NYMinute]

27. Thanks for posting -- some people are deluded into a cult like blind following nt

[Gothmog]

33. This material is only the material gathered by the Clinton campaign three years ago

There is a great deal more that can be used by trump in a general election. If sanders is the nominee, trump would win 45+ states

[roody]

127. We are called a movement.

[NYMinute]

129. As movements go, incredibly apt

[ehrnst]

134. .....

[ehrnst]

133. Like Nader's followers called his campaign?

How's that going?

[peggysue2]

29. Here's the money line:

A simple fact that is the Ace in Republican pockets:

In other words, the belief that Sanders would have walked into the White House based on polls taken before anyone really attacked him is a delusion built on a scaffolding of political ignorance.

Holds equally true today.

Which is why a Bernie Sanders' nomination has always been a non-starter. Would I vote for Bernie if he somehow took the nomination? Yes, because Trump is an existential threat. But I would be voting with a heavy heart because Senator Sanders would lose to Trump in a rout. And then, we could kiss the country good-bye.

[NYMinute]

50. IKR? n/t

[lapucelle]

53. There doesn't seem to be anything in the cited document about Sierra Blanca.

Eichenwald noted that Sierra Blanca was featured in the Republican oppo book in 2016.

Then there's the fact that Sanders was on unemployment until his mid-30s, and that he stole electricity from a neighbor after failing to pay his bills, and that he co-sponsored a bill to ship Vermont's nuclear waste to a poor Hispanic community in Texas, where it could be dumped.

You can just see the words "environmental racist" on Republican billboards. And if you can't, I already did. They were in the Republican opposition research book as a proposal on how to frame the nuclear waste issue.

https://www.newsweek.com/myths-cost-democrats-presidential-election-521044

For more about Sierra Blanca, see this:

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2016/2/8/1481494/-Sierra-Blanca-Bernie-Sanders-Paul-Wellstone-a-Poor-Minority-Community-and-a-Nuclear-Waste-Dump

[NYMinute]

60. I know -- there is tones of more "stuff" beyond what is in the OP nt

[Cha]

24. KR.. TY, NYMinute

[NurseJackie]

25. I cannot support him for these and so many more reasons.

[Gothmog]

35. I also have additional reasons to dislike sanders and his supporters

I was at the convention in Philadelphia and saw stuff that I will not forget or forgive

[NurseJackie]

38. His and their contempt for the party has been obvious ever since he...

His and their contempt for the party has been obvious ever since he proposed Obama being primaried in 2012. In addition to that, it really serves no good purpose for anyone to denigrate and smear the Democratic party and Democratic leadership and our Democratic candidates with lies and insults.

Fact of the matter is this: The Democratic party is NOT "feeble"... it's NOT "corrupt"... it's NOT "ideologically bankrupt"... its NOT "the party of the one percent"... it's NOT "the party of the elite"... it's NOT the same as the GOP... it's NOT "bought and paid for"... it's NOT "rigged". The list goes on and on. Want me to continue? You've heard it all before. It's sickening.

When people say things like that... when they continually say things like that... it drives voters away from the party. It creates division and distrust. It weakens the party.

All I'm saying is that kind of negativity generates apathy. Apathy discourages voter turnout. Low voter turnout gives Republicans a chance to steal the elections.

[Gothmog]

49. I saw this contempt at the National Convention

I was amazed at what was a coordinated campaign at the National Convention. The stunts pulled by sanders and his delegates hurt Hillary Clinton

[betsuni]

26. K&R

[aidbo]

30. But you'll vote for him if he is the nominee, right?

[Gothmog]

32. Read the material

If sanders is the nominee, trump will win 45+ states. I will hold my nose and vote for sanders if he is the nominee but there is so much out there that it is scary. Remember that trump has an even worse file ready to use

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

82. Cue the crickets... chirp! chirp!

Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together & can't be bought!!
Jump on the Bernie Bandwagon & join the revolution!!

[PhoenixDem]

100. Useless question. He won't be the nominee. n/t

[OldRed2450]

31. Holy Guacamole! I am on page 10 in and shock!

It doesn't matter where it came from. It's all true ans damning!

[SunSeeker]

37. Wait until you get to page 53. nt

[Gothmog]

48. There is a ton of strong material in this memorandum

[PhoenixDem]

40. O.M.G.

No wonder some maintain that Bernie would lose 45 states if he is the nominee and lose the senate and the house. It will be a disaster.

[Zeus69]

41. There's a reason Trump has been going after Joe

Because he truly sees him as the main (only?) threat to his presidency...
I'm betting the Donald will leave Bernie alone during primary season. There will be some "Crazy Bernie's" and other jabs, but you won't see Rudy Giuliani wasting time on Sanders.

A GE match up with BS punches Trump's second term ticket.

[Gothmog]

47. trump is scared of Joe Biden and would love to run against sanders

If sanders is the nominee, trump would run attack ads of sanders praising Castro, socialist leaders and socialism in a loop and win 45+ states

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

52. So not true! Joe would lose @least 40+ states which is why Bernie's the 1 keepin Dolt45 up at night

like so many people who fear the Bern and can't stop mentioning him.


Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together & can't be bought!!
Jump on the Bernie Bandwagon & join the revolution!!

[PhoenixDem]

55. lmao

[Gothmog]

115. I am also amused

Biden is the only candidate that the party has who can beat trump

[PhoenixDem]

119. Give me a B, Give me an S

What does it spell?

Gooooooooooooooooo Bernie Sanders!!!!

[BannonsLiver]

136. Imagine how great it's going to be when the losing starts?

[Beringia]

42. I fact checked the document for a couple of things

As far as gun control, and the Brady Bill, he was serving his constituents in Vermont which is mainly rural and there are a large number of hunters and gun owners there. Also Sanders supports states rights over federal rules. He consistently voted against assault weapons.

https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2015/jul/10/generation-forward-pac/did-bernie-sanders-vote-against-background-checks-/



As far as the "Marriage Week", this was signed in 1982. From an article,

To keep the resolution in perspective, efforts to legalize same-sex marriage were few and far between in the decade before the resolution was signed. No state at the time had same-sex marriage, or civil unions for that matter. Litigation seeking same-sex marriage in Hawaii and Vermont would come in the 1990s, but no lawsuit would be successful in obtaining same-sex marriage until the Goodridge decision by the Massachusetts Supreme Court in 2003.

According to Sanders’s campaign website, he one year after the resolution was apparently signed supported as Burlington mayor the city’s first-ever Pride parade and later signed a city ordinance prohibiting housing discrimination there.

https://www.washingtonblade.com/2016/02/06/clinton-surrogates-pounce-on-sanders-over-82-marriage-resolution/

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

54. Well it's good to know we can now go back any number of years in vetting Joe under this new standard

No more "old news"... yayyyy!!


Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together & can't be bought!!
Jump on the Bernie Bandwagon & join the revolution!!

[Beringia]

62. Yes, you could do this with any of the older candidates

[TwilightZone]

67. Biden has quite likely been vetted more than any other candidate this cycle.

He would have been vetted heavily before Obama put him on the ticket.

His detractors have spent a lot of time on events from decades ago, so I'm not sure why you would expect anything different for Sanders or any of the other candidates. Supporters of the various candidates complaining about vetting incessantly isn't going to accomplish anything. it just looks like whining.

[PhoenixDem]

72. Exactly ... Biden is squeaky clean or Obama wouldn't have picked him n/t

[OldRed2450]

59. Kids are dying

but Vermont.

[brer cat]

43. K&R

[R B Garr]

44. I think there was an actual FBI investigation into Jane Sanders,

as well, over her loan procurements for the college she managed.

And the whole Tad Devine/Paul Manafort Ukraine connection. Paul Manafort is an actual convicted felon.

[NYMinute]

46. Yes ... and her loans were the cause

of Burlington College ceasing to exist.

On top of that, Jane Sanders got $200K in severance pay!

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

56. So all family is fair game in vetting candidates?? That's the standard now?!

Good to know.


Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together & can't be bought!!
Jump on the Bernie Bandwagon & join the revolution!!

[Gothmog]

57. Have you seen trump in action???

trump would use this material in a heartbeat. If sanders is the nominee, trump would use this and the other oppo to run ads showing sanders praising Castro, Russia, Socialism and enemies of the United States on a near constant basis trump has already tried to attack Joe Biden based on family

[BannonsLiver]

137. Heh you don't want that, believe me.

[highplainsdem]

45. K&R!

[Me.]

58. Holy Mackerel

[NJCher]

61. your report is outdated

Anyone who is current with the issues can see this.

Why would you post such a thing? I don't get it. I think you must be very threatened by Bernie Sanders.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

63. Based on the number of mentions, it's clear the candidate whom they most fear will win is Bernie!

That's completely understandable given Bernie's steady rise in the polls and popularity with the working class.


Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together & can't be bought!!
Jump on the Bernie Bandwagon & join the revolution!!

[NJCher]

64. the report is poorly written

It is not written by a very well educated person(s).

The part about the Latin voters is the one that stands out as being outdated.

It astonishes me that anyone would think posting something like this at this site is OK. It's not OK.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

65. Could not agree with you more!! Hard to believe it's come to this!!

Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together & can't be bought!!
Jump on the Bernie Bandwagon & join the revolution!!

[Gothmog]

74. Actually the report is well written

I see Marc Elias’ fingerprints all over this report. Marc was Clinton’s election law counsel and head of the V;inton Victory Counsel program.

[NJCher]

77. surely you jest

??

I don't understand your rationale. Because Marc Elias who might be the author is an attorney and head of the "V;inton" Victory Counsel program doesn't mean he can write.

The report wouldn't fool anyone who has taken critical thinking at the freshman level of college, maybe even high school.

I evaluate writing for a living, including that of attorneys. I know what I'm talking about.

[Gothmog]

86. This is a well written report

The fact that you do not like the content does not change this fact

[NJCher]

90. content has nothing to do with it

It's the critical thinking that's a problem.

Anyway, I'll just chalk you up as one of those people who slept through the critical thinking part of the course.

[betsuni]

91. "content has nothing to do with it"

[Gothmog]

98. You are totally wrong

Again, I understand that you dislike the content but this report is well written and serves its purpose. I am only sad that Clinton did not use this material in 2016.

[Gothmog]

131. LOL-this memorandum was written for a specified purpose

This is a well written memorandum. Marc Elias' fingerprints are all over this memorandum.

You do not want to know how much Marc's firm charges as a monthly retainer for presidential candidate

[NJCher]

111. what is good writing, to you?

How about you define what good writing is.

[Gothmog]

113. Have you ever worked on a campaign?

I have worked on campaigns and I understand the purpose of this memorandum and how it was prepared The purpose of this memorandum to was summarize the oppo research gathered by the Clinton campaign in case sanders every became a serious candidate or had some chance of winning the nomination. The Clinton campaign never had to use this oppo research because sanders was such a weak candidate that he was mathematically eliminated by the results of the Super Tuesday primaries.

This memorandum was a summary of a ton of opposition research compiled by the Clinton campaign to determine what matewrial or lines of attack could be used if sanders every proved to be a serious candidate. Each of the points raised was backed up by files that could be turned into attack ads or attack piece fed to the press. If sanders had been a real serious threat, the Clinton campaign would select the items to be used and use the back up for each of these items.

I have no doubt that Marc Elias was involved in the research of this memorandum. I was part of the Clinton Victory Counsel project where we reviewed 7000+ lawsuits where trump or one his affiliates were a party. The data collected in that project is part of the DNC War room https://politicalwire.com/2019/09/08/inside-democrats-2020-trump-war-room/

“The DNC research team has mined thousands of lawsuits from nearly 50 states as part of a massive new trove on President Trump that will be weaponized through pols and reporters in key battlegrounds,” Axios reports.

“This new plan shows what Democrats think Trump’s biggest vulnerabilities will be. And unlike in 2016, Trump now has a policy record.”

“The research includes roughly 7,000 lawsuits, as well an extensive document detailing every time then-candidate Trump told supporters at his 2016 campaign rallies that Mexico would pay for the wall.”

“A source familiar said this document will likely find its way to local reporters, groups and Democrats in battleground states as Trump diverts funds from the military to pay for his border wall.”

I only reviewed 150 lawsuits and there was formal report done on each lawsuit that would not mean much to a layperson but these materials are now available to be use by Biden when he is the nominee. The memorandum set forth in the OP is merely a summary of what was available to be used but there was never an intent to use the memorandum directly against sanders.

Again, this memorandum was for use in the campaign to plan a campaign against sanders that was never needed. If you had ever worked on a campaign or if you understood the purpose of this memorandum you would understand that it is well written.

[Gothmog]

132. I was part of the Clinton Victory Counsel team

I had the fun of updating a memorandum prepared by Marc Elias' firm on getting onto the ballot in Texas. I compared that memorandum to the oppo research memo. Marc helped on this oppo memo

Again, this memorandum was written for the purpose of helping the campaign select which items of oppo would be used if sanders every proved to be a serious candidate. There are over 1000 pages of back up attacked to this memorandum which are summarized by this memorandum. If sanders had proven to be a serious candidate, then the attachments to this memorandum would have been used to prepare attack ads or be fed to the press

[lapucelle]

84. ...

the report is poorly written

It is not written by a very well educated person(s).

So says the expert on writing.

[Gothmog]

88. I had a similar reaction

The fact that some do not like the facts contained in this report does not change the fact this report was well written

[Gothmog]

104. The information in this memorandum was gathered in 2016 but not used because sanders was no threat

Again, the memorandum was prepared by the Clinton campaign in 2016 but was not used. sanders had been mathematically eliminated by the results of the Super Tuesday primaries and so there was no need for the Clinton campaign to use this material

[NYMinute]

70. Outdated? Is there a cutoff date for vetting?

[NJCher]

75. check to see who has the highest support from Latinos

then come back and talk to me.

That is only one example.

[NYMinute]

78. bwaaaaahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

The highest support from Latinos in a Univision poll was for Joe Biden - by double digits.

Always remember Dolores Huerta who was incessantly bullied by Susan Sarandon and still refused to join the BS crowd.

[NJCher]

81. wrong

your figures are old.

[betsuni]

85. Old?

[NJCher]

93. poor thing

can't even do a Google search for yourself.

Bernie Sanders’ Strength With Latino Voters Threatens Joe Biden’s Coalition
States with large Latino populations are set to award huge numbers of Democratic delegates.
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/bernie-sanders-joe-biden-latino-voters_n_5dd2f0fae4b02947481c14b7

Why Bernie Sanders Is Resonating With Latinos
Recent polls by the Los Angeles Times, The New York Times and Latino Decisions all show Sanders as the top Democratic presidential candidate choice among Latino Democrats. He has a particular strength with young Latinos.
https://www.npr.org/2019/12/22/789317369/authenticity-culturally-relevant-why-bernie-sanders-is-resonating-with-latinos

[Cha]

117. Biden leads among Latinos. Warren second, Sanders 3rd (Yougov poll, Dec. 23-24)

https://www.democraticunderground.com/1287394690#post5

[Cha]

118. Biden leads among Latinos. Warren second, Sanders 3rd (Yougov poll, Dec. 23-24)

https://www.democraticunderground.com/1287394690#post5

[betsuni]

71. Nope. Facts don't change depending on age.

"Threatened"

[Gothmog]

103. LOL-that is because this is oppo gathered by the Clinton campaign during the 2016 race

It was the Clinton campaign that gathered this information but did not use it because sanders had been mathematically eliminated by the results of the Super Tuesday primaries. This is oppo that was designed to be use in a primary fight if sanders every seriously challenged Clinton. The GOP has a great deal more oppo on sanders that would be used if sanders was the nominee

[TwilightZone]

66. The Clinton campaign presumably had most or all of this.

It's very interesting how little of it they used. Or, perhaps more accurately, how little they had to use.

[NYMinute]

69. Point already made by someone up in the thread

Clinton campaign handled BS with kid gloves. If they had gone for the jugular early, BS would not have achieved the messiah status. Now even damning information on BS is ignored saying it is "old."

[myohmy2]

68. nobody's perfect...

...this read like a right-wing hit-piece to me...

...when you do find a 'perfect' candidate let me know...and don't say Joe

...for it's not about Bernie or Joe...it's about US and where WE want to go...

...we're on this great big bus called The American Future...where do you want it to take US?

...do you want to go down the Biden Highway?...then put Joe in the driver's seat...

…do you want to go down the Sanders Highway?...then put Bernie in the driver's seat...


...I want to travel with Bernie down the Sanders Highway, it's a much better road...

[Hortensis]

73. If you were to substitute Biden's name for Sanders, then what?

Goodness knows a lot of people keep trying to do that but fail.

Frankly, of course this wouldn't be what we want to see for anyone. But we only see it for Sanders, although probably backgrounds of a couple minor candidates wouldn't bear looking into.

Imo, everyone should carefully consider just who they should travel with. That includes Trump's supporters also. No excuses for who we support that we refuse to accept for theirs'.

[ehrnst]

114. +1000

[George II]

106. There is not a single point in that document that isn't true....

It was compiled by the Clinton campaign but never used. Are you saying that Clinton's campaign was a "right-wing hit-piece"?

[myohmy2]

122. "It was compiled by the Clinton campaign but never used."

...so we use it here...

...

[Gothmog]

123. This memorandum was stolen by Russia and published on Wikileakes

This memorandum was designed for use in a democratic primary but was never used. This material is old and there are some newer stuff that would be used against sanders such the booing of John Lewis at the national convention if a candidate decided to go negative on sanders. The ioppo research contained in this memorandum are issues that would matter to Democratic primary voters. trump has his own oppo file on sanders that contains very effective material to be used in a general election.

No Democratic candidate is currently using this information to my knowledge because no one really believes that sanders will be the nominee. If somehow sanders became a serious threat to win the nomination, you will see the data in this memorandum and other stuff used. If sanders somehow becomes the nominee, trump will be using a different set of material including videos of sanders praising Castro, Central American socialist leaders who were hostile to the US and the old Soviet Union.

[totodeinhere]

87. I wish we could concentrate on beating Trump rather than trying to take down

our own candidates. Tactics like this will have Trump laughing all the way to the bank.

[FM123]

92. Some of this stuff is really old - how far should we go back when we vet someone?

I was looking at page 10 where he was quoted as saying:
nobody should earn more than one million dollars, but that was forty five years ago back in 1974

[melman]

94. This comes from WikiLeaks

Specifically from the hacked John Podesta emails.



https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/davidmack/heres-the-extensive-research-the-clinton-campaign-had-on-ber



Which we know was a very terrible thing. and it's especially terrible to ever reference any of the material in them.


Except when it's convenient.

[Uncle Joe]

121. So does that mean this information is here now because the gulp...Russians

helped put it out?

[Gothmog]

125. Yes

This info was released by Russia to try to encourage sanders supporters to vote for stein or stay home. This plot worked in that 25% of sanders supporters either voted for trump, a third party candidate or not vote

[melman]

128. Yes, I'm afraid so

Time and again we're told that the information revealed in those emails is strictly off limits.


Because they were stolen and that is very very bad.


And yet...

[Gothmog]

141. This material was used at the time to discourage sanders supporters from voting

Russian efforts were successful in that 25% of sanders supporters either voted for trump, voted for a third party candidate or did not vote. A vote for Jill Stein was a vote for trump in the minds of trump and his Russian supporters

Right now, there has been no attack ads run by a Democrat against another Democrat. I doubt that this will change until perhaps after Super Tuesday The Clinton campaign had the material in this memo since 2015 and did not use it against sanders.

Sanders has hit his ceiling of support and so I doubt that the other Democrats will see no need to go negative on sanders.

[Gothmog]

124. This was material that was never used by the Clinton campaign

This was material collected by the Clinton campaign but was not used because it was not needed. Sanders was never a serious threat to win the nomination and so there was need for the Clinton campaign to use this material.

All campaigns do opposition research. There is nothing wrong with having material to be used if needed and if the use makes sense.

As noted, this was material stolen by Russia and leaked after the national convention. The material was available for use by the Clinton campaign in 2015

[StrictlyRockers]

95. Somebody is verrrrry afraid of Bernie Sanders and his strong base of supporters

I mean some of this stuff is a stretchhhh. How far are you going to reach for a thin straw?

It is worth looking at, and it does raise an eyebrow here and there, but none of this stuff is disqualifying.
Bernie will be a great president.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

97. WELL SAID!!

Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together & can't be bought!!
Jump on the Bernie Bandwagon & join the revolution!!

[Gothmog]

102. Not really-this material is from the 2016 Clinton campaign and was never used

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This is material that was gathered by the Clinton campaign during the 2016 campaign and not used. The Clinton campaign had no need to use this material because there was never any real chance that sanders would be the nominee. sanders was mathematically eliminated by the results of the Super Tuesday primaries and so the Clinton campaign never had to use this material

The oppo in the memo cited in the OP was designed for use in the 2016 primary and the GOP has even more oppo that would be used in a 2020 general election contest if sanders was the nominee

[Hortensis]

109. This is limited to facts and is NOTHING to the scandals,

fake and not entirely, Repub/Russia would create around various facets of Sanders' wannabe-revolutionary background and not always ethical behaviors.

The one plus I see for Sanders is that with Trump almost certainly committing traitorous activities to benefit Russia, whatever "scandals" they designed around Sanders and Russia have probably been shoved to the back of the cabinet. I could be wrong, of course. Russia's goal is to destroy the U.S., and no telling just what they would find useful.

Btw, why did Sanders avoid voting with Democrats for sanctions on Russia (we lost by very little, it could have been a critical vote), and why is Sanders supporting Russia's proposal to dismantle NATO (!) and create a new alliance that includes Russia (!), even while European nations are being forced to arm against Russian invasion? (!)

It must pain the Republicans' character assassins to pass up the mountains they could make with that, and so much more Trump's own behaviors make problematic. How about when, in the middle of the Cold War, Sanders called for forfeiting the battle to contain the Soviet Union and disbanding not only our armed forces but all our intelligence networks? That would have been a great gift to Russia, bigger even than anything Trump's done, back in the days when Putin was still a lowly KGB agent busy with compromat activities.

But still useful: Solidarity with Iran's far-right Muslim theocratic revolution under the Ayatollah even as they held dozens of kidnapped Americans hostage and massacred Iranians? Apologist for Cuba even while between 60-150K Cubans died in the revolutionary genocide (Russia and the Cuba's socialist revolutionaries learned from the Nazis to not keep records)? Sanders' full-throated support of Nicaragua's Daniel Ortega, Sandanistas, massacres of indigenous peoples and other murderously ruthless suppressions of resistance, anyone? Why on earth does he think American foreign policy and sexual repression give people cancer?

There's so much these nice, clean, ethical Democratic oppo data don't even look at, but the Republicans have been mining every inch of Sanders life for every lie, and documented truth from Sanders own mouth, they could possibly build from everything and nothing.

[Cha]

116. omg.. Vetting is so passe. lol I want someone who

can beat #45IMPEACHED.. that's who's the fucking scary asshole.

[NurseJackie]

120. Bernie's enthusiastic supporters can only vote once, and there aren't enough of them...

Bernie's enthusiastic supporters can only vote once, and there aren't enough of them to secure the nomination. He's hit his high-water mark.

Loyal Democrats have very long memories and have had just about enough of his smears and lies and attacks on the Democratic party, and on Democrats and on party leaders.

It is worth looking at, and it does raise an eyebrow here and there, but none of this stuff is disqualifying.

I'd say that the unforced error of endorsing Cenk Uygur... another hater of Democrats and who lies and smears the Democratic party... is disqualifying. Especially considering Cenk's misogynist views AND his disgustingly gross defense of people who sexually abuse animals (bestiality). Cenk argues that as long as the horse comes and is sexually satisfied to then it's perfectly okay. He's a disgusting pig. Makes me want to vomit.

[Gothmog]

101. I really wish that Hillary Clinton had not taken a kid gloves approach with sanders

The memorandum in the OP is oppo that the Clinton campaign gathered and had available to use against sanders in 2016. The Clinton campaign treated sanders with kid gloves because sanders had no chance in the real world of being the nominee. The press did not vet sanders because sanders was such a weak candidate and it would have been a waste of their time Sanders was not vetted and was in fact treated with kid gloves by the Clinton campaign VOX had a good article on the potential lines of attack that sanders would be exposed to if sanders was the nominee. http://www.vox.com/2016/2/3/10903404/gop-campaign-against-sanders One of the more interesting observations in the VOX analysis is the fact that Sanders have been treated with kids gloves compared to what Sanders would face if he was the Democratic nominee. I strongly agree with the VOX's position that the so-called negative attacks against Sander have been mild. Form the article:

I have no interest in litigating any of these attacks here. Like any Democrat elected president in 2016, Sanders wouldn't be able to get much done, but he would block attempts to roll back Obama's accomplishments and have a chance to fill a few Supreme Court vacancies.

When Sanders supporters discuss these attacks, though, they do so in tones of barely contained outrage, as though it is simply disgusting what they have to put up with. Questioning the practical achievability of single-payer health care. Impugning the broad electoral appeal of socialism. Is nothing sacred?

But c'mon. This stuff is patty-cakes compared with the brutalization he would face at the hands of the right in a general election.

His supporters would need to recalibrate their umbrage-o-meters in a serious way.

sanders was treated with kid gloves by the Clinton campaign because of the amusing over-reactions of the sanders supporters in the primary process.

After being a delegate to the National Convention and seeing sanders and his supporters close up, I really wish now that Hillary had used this oppo earlier.

As noted above, the memorandum in the OP is only the oppo gathered by the Clinton campaign n 2016. trump has a great deal more that would be available to be used if sanders is the nominee

[flying_wahini]

138. Whether or Not Biden OR Sanders wins the nomination I feel like

Biden supporters would vote for Bernie and Bernie supporters will just not vote.

Bernie should have run as an independent if he wanted to win the nomination.
But again, he chose to run as a Democrat.
Independents won’t vote for ANY other person But Bernie.


That IS the problem.

[Joe941]

139. This is hitting below.the belt. Complete garbage.

[NYMinute]

140. Which one of those is factually incorrect? nt

[Gothmog]

142. Obama campaign guru: Trump would love to run against Bernie

Link to tweet

Barack Obama’s 2012 campaign manager is warning that Democrats would struggle in a general election against Donald Trump if Bernie Sanders is the nominee.

In an interview with POLITICO, Jim Messina predicted that Trump would exploit Sanders’ stamp of socialism in battleground states needed to defeat Trump, keep control of the House and have a shot at winning the Senate.

“If I were a campaign manager for Donald Trump and I look at the field, I would very much want to run against Bernie Sanders,” Messina said. “I think the contrast is the best. He can say, ‘I’m a business guy, the economy’s good and this guy’s a socialist.’ I think that contrast for Trump is likely one that he’d be excited about in a way that he wouldn’t be as excited about Biden or potentially Mayor Pete or some of the more Midwestern moderate candidates.”....

“From a general election perspective, socialism is not going to be what Democrats are going to want to defend,” Messina added.“If you’re the Democratic nominee for the Montana Senate race, you don’t want to spend the election talking about socialism.”

Messina is the latest Democrat to raise concerns about Sanders at the top of the ticket. Endangered House Democrats are coalescing around Biden because of concerns that Sanders or Elizabeth Warren could threaten their reelection hopes, POLITICO reported Saturday.

[Gothmog]

143. I am seeing this file being pushed out in the public more

The Clinton campaign had an amazing and well written oppo file on sanders that was never used because sanders was such a weak candidate that no one thought that sanders would be the nominee.

Link to tweet

sanders was mathematically eliminated by the Super Tuesday contests

Hopefully the press is not vetting sanders

[Zolorp]

144. Holy Moly!

This is just scratching the surface because a lot of stuff I'm recently seeing never gets mentioned in this document, too!