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[TexasTowelie]

1. K&R! nt

[betsuni]

2. K&R!

[Beakybird]

3. K&r too.

[Gothmog]

4. K&R

[comradebillyboy]

5. I must agree...

[Thekaspervote]

7. Great post!! A very fair voice of sanity

[CaliforniaPeggy]

8. A big, fat K&R!

[sprinkleeninow]

9. My sentiments. eom

[ritapria]

10. The Russians are funding Bernie's campaign ?

Do you have any evidence to support your suspicions ?……...No you do not …. Can't you guys do better than this ?... How about criticizing Bernie's support of Biden's disastrous Crime Bill ? ... His vote against the Brady Bill ? .. Again, Can we elevate the discourse ? …. Let's compare the long public service record of the 2 men and decide who we wish to support ….

[mopinko]

11. try reading it again. that is hardly the point.

thanks for the kick, tho.

[Dennis Donovan]

12. OP will speak for themselves

...and that will reveal all about the OP.


Ommm...

[mopinko]

13. srsly, tho, could there be an easier system to hack than penny ante bucks?

they barely catch the ones that go over the limit.
how much easier can it get than to set the bot on $10/mo, and let them fly?

it just doesnt make sense that he is stagnant in the polls, but topping out the $$$$

if we cant see past our jacket colors, we are fucked.

[Dennis Donovan]

14. Wow...

Maybe go get a sandwich or something, buddy?

[mopinko]

19. maybe take the future of democracy seriously instead? it in the mueller report.

he sat in the well of the congress, and said it continues today.

but yeah, rub that bernie tshirt for good luck and have a sandwich yourself.

[Dennis Donovan]

26. As you wish...

...the sandwich is better option, my friend.

[stopdiggin]

58. the Mueller report said nothing about FUNDING going to Sanders

you're concern about bots and trolls, and the very real ongoing impact is absolutely valid. But you need to stay in that lane, and not be drifting out into Russians "funding" this or that candidate. Not without some darned good evidence.

[betsuni]

61. Funding goes to the Russian bots and trolls that spread propaganda.

Nobody has said Sanders was or is directly funded by Russia.

Karl Rove's super PAC and another Republican billionaire's PAC paid for pro-Bernie ads in the last election. Funding doesn't have to go directly to the candidate to benefit them.

[stopdiggin]

62. actually, the OP (and further posting by the author) is STRONGLY suggesting

that FUNDING is going to the CAMPAIGN.

"they barely catch the ones that go over the limit.
how much easier can it get than to set the bot on $10/mo, and let them fly?
it just doesnt make sense that he is stagnant in the polls, but topping out the $$$$"

and, yes .. there is little a candidate (like Sanders) can do about this kind of outside interference .. other than make clear that his campaign is not involved.

[betsuni]

64. The OP said he was getting donations from bots. That's not suggesting that the campaign

knowingly accepts Russian funding.

[mopinko]

15. also, i didnt say they were. i said we need to know if they are.

[stopdiggin]

59. some pretty strong innuendo

enough that several people jumped on it

[UniteFightBack]

20. NO. Let's compare who is going to win a general election against dump. THE FUCKING END. nt

[Thekaspervote]

27. Right!! EC map posted here earlier Biden 322, sanders and EW do not reach 270

[emmaverybo]

21. What two men? In the first place, the post is written by a Warren supporter. Secondly, although

poster does not support Bernie’s candidacy, for pragmatic reasons, not a Bernie bashing post. In fact, poster states personal affinity for Bernie’s policies, views.

Re-read for thesis.

[melman]

37. "not a Bernie bashing post"

[fleabiscuit]

24. It is the more favorable take. nt

[Aaron Pereira]

16. I'd like to help Elizabeth Warren.

I see you want that as well but I'm not sure the Russia/Bernie conspiracy angle is going to be very helpful or unifying going into the general election season.

[mopinko]

17. unifying? that's exactly the point. if we dont drive the trolls out, there will be none.

[Dennis Donovan]

18. You're witnessing an OP that will be regretted in the light of tomorrow morning

I know these. Posted a few back in the day (and recently).

[mopinko]

22. these what? i will regret nothing except staying silent.

and i suggest you back off your personal attacks.
it makes you look like a troll.

[Dennis Donovan]

23. Name the PA. I'm offering you helpful advice.

[Aaron Pereira]

30. I will not cast the first stone. No way.

Especially not on new years day.

Cheers to both of you.

[Hekate]

47. Dennis: I will not regret supporting this OP in the light of the morning...

As I say in my post below: sabotage of our election system is as serious as a heart attack. And RT is broadcast in English for your convenience.

[Dennis Donovan]

68. No one is doubting Russian attempts at messing with the 2020 election

The OP is saying the Sanders campaign is somehow in cahoots with it.

The Bernie bashing has to fucking stop on DU and elsewhere. Like it or not, he has followers and a significant amount of support.

Bashing Senator Sanders itself is the end to a Russian op, as it divides the Democratic Party - and Putin wins.

[James48]

25. Sure-I'll get real. Are you ready to?

You previously claimed, in that post you had taken down, that Bernie received donations only from 100,000 people, and that bots made up the rest of the million plus people who donated to Bernie in 16.

That’s not real.

What’s real is that a LOT of people found him to be a credible candidate in 16, and yes, he worked his butt off for Hillary after he suspended his campaign in 16.

And it’s REAL that he is a leading or a second place candidate TODAY in multiple states. And it’s REAL that he polls significantly with all kinds of people- including a significant number of republicans that I know that like Bernie better than any if our other candates.

So let’s both get real. Now. And support the candidate of our choice, without tearing down other candidates. That’s what we are supposed to do.

Whoever wins the nomination, I will support, work for, make calls for, and stand at the polls handing out literature for.

Today, I’m supporting Bernie. Not a single vote has yet been cast, and there are at least 4 candidates who can still win, based on fundraising and polling to this point.

I will support my candidate now, and I will support WHOEVER WINS the nomination in the fall. And I will do it without making disparaging remarks about any of our candidates today.

Will you say the same?

[mopinko]

29. ya no. i said nothing like that.

that was not my post.

and your purity test can melt in the rain dude. you dont know me.

[Thekaspervote]

34. And the reality is that there is only one candidate winning the EC and it isn't sanders

2020 Electoral map based on RCP average Polls:

Biden 322
Trump 166
Tossups 50

Sanders 265
Trump 257
Tossups 16

Trump 257
Warren 251
Tossups 30

[pnwmom]

50. Let's get real. Bernie worked his butt off finishing his book in the summer of 2016.

Other than 2 campaign events in September, he didn't really go all-in till October.

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/bernie-sanders-book-revolution-a-911034

7/14/16

Just days after ending his campaign and endorsing Hillary Clinton for president, Sen. Bernie Sanders is preparing to take his message to the printed page.

Thomas Dunne Books told The Associated Press on Thursday it will publish Sanders' Our Revolution: A Future to Believe In. The book is scheduled to come out Nov. 15, a week after election day. It will include both his policy ideas for the future and reflections on his surprisingly strong run in the primaries.

SNIP

The publisher said he and Sanders reached an agreement a few weeks ago.

"Throughout the year, both Bernie and his wife, Jane, kept records and notes. Sanders is using these as the basis for much of the text," Dunne said, adding that Sanders will write the book himself.

[betsuni]

51. +1

[Grasswire2]

28. First, how about a link to the information Mueller provided so that people here have context?

That would seem essential to a discussion.

[mopinko]

31. oh please. ask the google, you should know this by now.

[betsuni]

38. "use any opportunity to criticize Hillary and the rest (except Sanders and Trump -- we support

them)." Everybody knows this.

[Hekate]

48. First, I ordered my very own copy of the Mueller Report from Amazon. It was cheap.

Second, Google is free.

[Skittles]

32. I don't like him either but

to be fair, Russia would have supported anyone against Hillary

[mopinko]

33. russia supports a lot of people, and works both sides. that's sorta my point.

i'm just pointing to bernie because he is the biggest example.
but we have seen people trolling here in tulsi's name.

i know people who are trolls, but i know a lot more trolls that arent people.
we need to stop taking the bait.

[NJCher]

57. Disingenuous

Now, back to that bridge I have for sale.

[woodsprite]

42. If it was only Russia, I *might* be able to

Let it pass, but there are other things, plus his support of Gabbard. Would HATE for her to be picked as a running mate for anyone.

[Skittles]

56. like I said, I am not a fan

nope

[PatrickforO]

35. Well, here's the thing. On here - whether it is this site or the Hill or Daily Kos -

we have to realize that anybody can come on here and troll us. Anybody.

All of us must be watchful, especially of those people who like to stir the pot just to create conflict. I remember '16 when I was a big Bernie supporter on here, and I'll tell you that I KNOW we got trolled. On both sides. Because as you say, 'that is the game.'

I really like this site, and the friends I've made here. There are some really good people.

But do be aware. Always, ALWAYS, in the face of a big firestorm on a thread, ask yourself who might benefit from the polarization that is happening. If it is Russia or others who want to tear us down, then we probably have a troll at the bottom of it.

[33taw]

36. I never understood why Bernie used Tad Devine.

[calimary]

39. K&R

[ahlnord]

40. Yes

We should ALL be concerned about this. Thank you for elevating it.

[woodsprite]

41. I was a supporter in 2016 until Hillary got the nomination

Then I was full-force Hillary. I am not supporting him this time because of his support of Gabbard, and the Russian support he received last time. Just can’t take a chance.

[SCVDem]

43. Trump wins

[Hekate]

44. KnR, mopinko. Sabotage of our election system is as serious as a heart attack.

All the old methods in new guise: infiltration, sabotage, agitprop...

All our candidates, no matter who, need to be aware and need to denounce and reject such things. It's incredibly easy to see who Putin favors -- state-run Russian television is broadcast in English for your convenience! Nobody's message is so pure that it cannot be co-opted, undermined, and destroyed by the great enemy of out time if they are apathetic about it.

Putin wants to destabilize and destroy all the democracies of the West -- it is his stated goal. The entire world is experiencing a wave of authoritarian/autocratic/fascist governments rising to power -- mostly disguised as "populist."

As Michelle Obama has said: Don't be fooled.

You have my thanks.

[The Valley Below]

45. Spot on!

[DanieRains]

46. Stop Buying Putins Oil

Problem solved.

Like that will happen...

[Hekate]

49. Okay, I'll stop buying Putin's oil.

[RDANGELO]

52. The reason that Putin supported Bernie, was that he hated Hillary.

That's it. I don't know what you think Bernie should do about it now.

[Hekate]

53. Explicitly reject further support or interference. In words. Out loud. Emphatically....

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This is bigger than any one candidate -- or their ego. We all stand together on this issue or we all lose.

[betsuni]

55. In the OP: "he has no excuse now."

Putin doesn't want Democrats elected. He'll use whatever weakens support for Democrats. This is about 2020.

[MasonDreams]

54. Relax, WE have super delegates on the second ballot.

If the scary Senator doesn't get 50%+ on the First ballot, then DNC decides.

The big D nominee Will Win this year.

The R guy is loonie tunes and his stink is World-wide.

[madaboutharry]

60. Bernie has so far avoided attacks in the debates.

It will be interesting to see if any of this comes up during the January debate. There might be some yelling.

[whistler162]

63. Well at least you are whining on the

whine about Sanders day!

[dansolo]

65. Bernie voting against Russian sanctions should be a big red flag

For someone who denounces billionaires at every turn, apparently he has no problem with Russian billionaires interfering in our elections.

[betsuni]

66. +1

[hlthe2b]

67. The only candidate for whom I hold any disdain is Tulsi Gabbard. But it is true that the Russians

and US-RW are manipulating us. I'm sure not only with Gabbard, but likely other candidates. The whole point is disruption/manipulation/weakening the opposition to Trump, so we should be aware.

I like the rest of the field and would be pleased with any of the top tier for sure , but for me the entire point is WHO CAN BEAT DONALD TRUMP? Sorry, but in this election it ALL comes down to that.

Stay focused, folks. Please. Let's not trash each other for bringing up valid concerns.