Democratic Primaries
Related: About this forumBernie Sanders Gave Joe Biden High Praise...
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when he thought he wasn't running in 2016.
Link to tweet
New link added.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Hasn't Biden said nice things about Bernie, in the past?
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Kahuna7
(2,531 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
LiberalLovinLug
(14,352 posts)From the very beginning of 2016.
https://www.cnn.com/2016/01/11/politics/joe-biden-bernie-sanders-hillary-clinton-income-inequality/index.html
VICE PRESIDENT JOE BIDEN: If Bernie Sanders had never said he was a "Democratic Socialist," based on what he is saying, people would not be calling him that. That's how he characterizes himself --in sort of European terms-- like the Democratic-socialist parties in Europe.
GLORIA BORGER, CNN: But why is [Clinton] having trouble [beating him]?
BIDEN: Bernie is speaking to a yearning that is deep and real, and he has credibility on it. And that is the absolutely enormous concentration of wealth in a small group of people with the middle class being left out...
CNN: But Hillary is talking about that as well?
BIDEN: Well, it is relatively new for Hillary to talk about that. Hillary's focus has been on other things up until now, and it has been Bernie's --no one questions Bernie's authneticity on these issues.
But that was before Biden knew he was running against Sanders.
I don't get your point. You think candidates should be praising each other more in the heat of the primaries? Nice notion I guess.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)That happens to the best of candidates...
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2019/10/30/even-bernie-sanders-throws-towel-funding-medicare-for-all/
https://www.politico.com/blogs/2016-dem-primary-live-updates-and-results/2016/04/sanders-reverses-hillary-clinton-qualified-221709
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016-election/bernie-sanders-reverses-course-gun-immunity-vote-n498101
https://www.scribd.com/document/416552374/Bernie-1989-Easy-in-Monthly-Review
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(304,152 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Tom Rinaldo
(22,993 posts)I assume that they overall said positive things about each in the past and will again in the future. That doesn't mean that they are in total agreement on everything. At the moment they happen to be competing against each other for the same office, it only makes sense for each to make the case for why they should be preferred by voters, which includes exploring whatever differences they have.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Kahuna7
(2,531 posts)never thought he'd have to run against Biden. So, there's that.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
msongs
(69,837 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
R B Garr
(17,356 posts)his phony attacks on Joe Biden now.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Kahuna7
(2,531 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Autumn
(45,942 posts)with other actions they have done?
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Thekaspervote
(34,289 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
thesquanderer
(12,277 posts)For example, he has repeatedly knocked Biden for supporting the Iraq war. But that doesn't contradict anything he said in that 2015 video. One can have both positive and negative things to say about someone, and choose to say one or the other depending on context and circumstances.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Kahuna7
(2,531 posts)of public service. Can't say that about everybody.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
R B Garr
(17,356 posts)the middle class, but now he wants to take it back because Biden is a threat to him. You have it exactly right.
I think "Iraq" was just thrown in there to muddy things up and distract,
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Kahuna7
(2,531 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
thesquanderer
(12,277 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Kahuna7
(2,531 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
R B Garr
(17,356 posts)to everything ever uttered about helping the middle class. But he got caught in his own hypocrisy now that he, himself, has complimented Biden over Joe's reputation for helping working families/middle class.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
thesquanderer
(12,277 posts)I mean, of course, you may speak about someone's best attributes in some circumstances and things you are critical about in other circumstances, but I don't see this as any different than, for example, Biden having complimented Kamala Harris at some points and been critical of her at others. The statements are not contradictory if you're not criticizing her for the same things you complimented her for. Sanders criticizing Biden over, for example, the crime bill or the Iraq war vote, are not inconsistent with the comments he made in this 2015 video. It is normal to be more magnanimous toward someone when they have announced that they will NOT be competing with you, and less so if you find yourself actually competing with them.
I will grant you one discrepancy, though. In the magnanimous appraisal of Biden's record of helping the working class, Sanders neglected the bankruptcy bill, which he mentions now, which is arguably a departure from Biden's consistent support for the working class. At least Warren was very critical of that bill at the time.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
R B Garr
(17,356 posts)about his life in public service. I see you threw "bankruptcy" in as well as "Iraq" in attempt to whitewash Bernie's hypocrisy. Bernie is on tape with Lou Dodd several years ago discussing immigrants and how they take jobs away from the American working class. He also supports the F-35 mega military industrial complex work done in his state. I can throw things out there, too. That doesn't change Bernie's hypocrisy in now trying to denigrate Biden when he is on tape complimenting him before. It's not like we haven't seen Bernie's repetitive smears against Democrats before.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
thesquanderer
(12,277 posts)What does Bernie having said/done things you don't like have to do with it? The fact that there are legitimate things to disagree with Sanders about in no way means that there can't also be legitimate things to disagree with Biden about! Of course you can throw things out there too, who said you couldn't? It doesn't invalidate what Sanders has said. It's that old whataboutism again.
Nor is there hypocrisy in criticizing someone you have complimented before. Different circumstances, different subjects. It is indeed possible to both compliment AND criticize someone. I can easily compliment AND criticize Obama. And there is no reason I have to repeat my criticisms when I compliment him, or repeat my compliments when I criticize him. It doesn't make it hypocritical to talk about my criticisms on one day, and my compliments on another. Why would this be a problem?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
R B Garr
(17,356 posts)to trot out the worn out, tired Bernie criticisms. Blah blah bankruptcy Iraq. Soon it will be millionaires/billionaires. Establishment so and so. I am so sick of the repetitive one-size-fits-all criticisms that you are attempting here. There is NOTHING BUT HYPOCRISY when you look at what Bernie said in October 2015 and what he is saying now. It's nothing but hypocrisy. I think we're done here. I'm not the least bit interested in you substituting all the lame Biden insults into everything.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
thesquanderer
(12,277 posts)Heck, neither is my first choice, though I'd be okay with either of them... and could see myself voting for either of them in the primary, if they are polling way better than Warren in head-to-heads against Trump in swing states.
I just don't think that having different opinions about someone at DIFFERENT times about DIFFERENT policies indicates hypocrisy. There is no candidate I would say 100% good or 100% bad things about. Having a mix of feelings, and not stating every one of those feelings at every time and in every context isn't hypocrisy. That is the ONLY point I've been trying to make, and nothing you have said addresses that.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
R B Garr
(17,356 posts)Ive already said that. No more excuses for Bernie. He is threatened by Bidens reputation as a strong leader for unions/middle class, but Bernie is on record as complimenting Joes known reputation as Middle Class Joe. You are the one twisting that into all the repetitive anti-Joe Smears.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
thesquanderer
(12,277 posts)Though again, I'm speaking to your point, while you avoid mine, which is simply that there is no inherent hypocrisy in making both positive and negative comments, at different times, in different contexts, about different things.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
R B Garr
(17,356 posts)predictable Biden smears are really just the worn out so-called Bernie bingo generic attacks. Bernie was caught complimenting Biden and now is attacking him over the same compliments. It doesnt get more hypocritical than that. Looks like were done here. Sorry, but the tangents about different this and that is just an excuse.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(304,152 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
crazytown
(7,277 posts)you're a past master at this. Nice to know you're scanning DU.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Kahuna7
(2,531 posts)Don't insult and run. Respond please.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
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Kahuna7
(2,531 posts)I did add the video from youtube that I cited.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(304,152 posts)is deleted.. Mahalo for the Vid.. it's forever.
Link to tweet
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Hav
(5,969 posts)But these kind of actions are telling. I, too, can't see the tweet anymore. I cannot think of any other Dem campaign that would delete nice things they said.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(304,152 posts)Link to tweet
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Kahuna7
(2,531 posts)How are ya, Babe?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(304,152 posts)a quote from BS.
I'm ok, Kahuna.. how are you!?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Renew Deal
(82,830 posts)Most people acknowledge that Biden is a decent person.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Autumn
(45,942 posts)the man I remembered. Now I know he is not the one that we need with everything we are facing.
The tweet is gone whatever it said.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
betsuni
(27,251 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(304,152 posts)he's lurking.
This is what David Sirota is spreading on twitter:
He's repeating misleading truncated quotes of Joe Biden AND circulating a graphic calling Biden "blue trump".
https://www.democraticunderground.com/1287403646
Link to tweet
The BS campaign obviously doesn't feel they can win without these kinds of "attacks".. pity.
David Sirota's history: "From a Bogus Website to Bernie Sanders's Inner Circle"
https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=post&forum=1287&pid=414915
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
blm
(113,755 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Gothmog
(153,634 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Kahuna7
(2,531 posts)also giving Biden high praise.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Gothmog
(153,634 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(304,152 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)Senator Sanders is concerned.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
progressoid
(50,602 posts)This has to be fake because everyone here knows that Bernie spends all his time criticizing Democrats and the Democratic party.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Cha
(304,152 posts)said about Joe Biden then and what his campaign is smearing about Biden NOW.
This is what David Sirota is spreading on twitter:
He's repeating misleading truncated quotes of Joe Biden AND circulating a graphic calling Biden "blue trump".
https://www.democraticunderground.com/1287403646
Link to tweet
The BS campaign obviously doesn't feel they can win without these kinds of "attacks".. pity.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
booley
(3,855 posts)Clinton praised Sanders on all the hard work he did to get her elected
Sanders has been praised by Democrats for years. They have campaigned for him. They have put him n leadership roles.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
blm
(113,755 posts)he might run in 2016 and wanted her to run as his VP.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden