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Related: About this forumDid Biden laud a Paul Ryan proposal to cut Social Security as Bernie Sanders' campaign said?
https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2020/jan/09/bernie-sanders/did-biden-laud-paul-ryan-proposal-cut-social-secur/Did Biden laud a Paul Ryan proposal to cut Social Security as Bernie Sanders campaign said?
Sen. Bernie Sanders argues that former Vice President Joe Biden sided with a Republican effort to cut Social Security. "In 2018, Biden lauded Paul Ryan for proposing cuts to Social Security and Medicare," wrote the Sanders campaign in a Jan. 7 newsletter. The night before on CNN, Sanders had attacked Bidens record on Social Security and Medicare. Ryan is a former Republican House speaker who proposed sweeping changes to Social Security that were never enacted.
We found that the Sanders campaign newsletter distorts what Biden said about Ryans plan.
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To understand Bidens tone, you have to actually watch and listen to his words. The snippet of written text, which the Sanders campaign newsletter used, doesnt relay Bidens full point.
The Sanders campaign omits what Biden said next (our emphasis is in bold):
"Now, I dont know a whole lot of people in the top one-tenth of 1 percent or the top 1 percent who are relying on Social Security when they retire. I dont know a lot of them. Maybe you guys do. So we need a pro-growth, progressive tax code that treats workers as job creators, as well, not just investors; that gets rid of unprotective loopholes like stepped-up basis; and it raises enough revenue to make sure that the Social Security and Medicare can stay, it still needs adjustments, but can stay; and pay for the things we all acknowledge will grow the country."
We rate this statement False.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
crazytown
(7,277 posts)Bern notice is a campaign document. He can't say he didn't know, or is not responsible for what is in it. Hillary did not call him out on the deliberate distortions, and malice of his surrogates in 2016. It is time somebody did.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
still_one
(95,780 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
YOHABLO
(7,358 posts)The only ''adjustment'' is that people should be getting more on COLAs, and Medicare should be covering everything 95%. We can not allow Wall Street to get their greedy paws on the Social Security Trust fund.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
crazytown
(7,277 posts)"it raises enough revenue to make sure that the Social Security and Medicare can stay, it still needs adjustments"
And I agree - the payroll tax threshold should be lifted, the ceiling for the for the wealthy abolished.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
YOHABLO
(7,358 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
crazytown
(7,277 posts)So we need a pro-growth, progressive tax code that treats workers as job creators, as well, not just investors; that gets rid of unprotective loopholes like stepped-up basis; and it raises enough revenue to make sure that the Social Security and Medicare can stay, it still needs adjustments, but can stay; and pay for the things we all acknowledge will grow the country."
Biden is quite clear. IT is the progressive tax code, and IT still needs adjustment.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
stopdiggin
(12,635 posts)are doing so because they choose to misconstrue.
If a person is making a statement in which the emphasis is on saving and strengthening a program .. and then you attempt to spin that as advocating to destroy or dismantle ...
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
YOHABLO
(7,358 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
stopdiggin
(12,635 posts)Anybody arguing against that simple fact .. is plainly misinformed, or being dishonest.
(Biden wins points by approaching the issue with straightforward honesty .. and I don't think the other side of this argument really has any honest footing. But .. it's primary season!)
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Hekate
(94,207 posts)...the Sanders campaign for doing.
Probably comes from hiring the same people as last time, and that is a damn shame. One does have to ask: Why, if Bernie is a person of good will, would he let this go on in his name.
The Sanders campaign omits what Biden said next (our emphasis is in bold):
"Now, I dont know a whole lot of people in the top one-tenth of 1 percent or the top 1 percent who are relying on Social Security when they retire. I dont know a lot of them. Maybe you guys do. So we need a pro-growth, progressive tax code that treats workers as job creators, as well, not just investors; that gets rid of unprotective loopholes like stepped-up basis; and it raises enough revenue to make sure that the Social Security and Medicare can stay, it still needs adjustments, but can stay; and pay for the things we all acknowledge will grow the country."
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Eric J in MN
(35,620 posts)The Fact Checker thinks Biden was being sarcastic by whispering into the microphone.
But Ryan Grim says Biden does that when hes saying allegedly forbidden truths.
Link to tweet
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primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Cha
(304,374 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
msongs
(69,912 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden