Democratic Primaries
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comradebillyboy
(10,144 posts)on the issue.
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BeckyDem
(8,361 posts)yet.
The Democratic debate over filibuster reform, explained
Nobody runs on Senate procedure, but without changing it, nothing is going to happen.
By Matthew Yglesias@mattyglesiasmatt@vox.com Updated Apr 5, 2019, 12:29pm ED
Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D-MA) thinks Democrats should end the filibuster if they regain the majority in the US Senate, and pass legislation by majority rule.
When Democrats next have power, we should be bold and clear: Were done with two sets of rules one for the Republicans and one for the Democrats, Warren says in advance text of a Friday speech to the National Action Network obtained by CNN. And that means when Democrats have the White House again, if Mitch McConnell tries to do what he did to President Obama and puts small-minded partisanship ahead of solving the massive problems facing this country, then we should get rid of the filibuster.
https://www.vox.com/2019/3/5/18241447/filibuster-reform-explained-warren-booker-sanders
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Amishman
(5,557 posts)I'd rather see it restored for all judicial nominees and codified in a way that it cannot be easily removed again
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dansolo
(5,376 posts)I think that a supermajority should be required for any lifetime appointments.
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I_UndergroundPanther
(12,463 posts)And create a process to limit power they have.
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DrToast
(6,414 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Recursion
(56,582 posts)The filibuster is the only reason we still have the ACA
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LonePirate
(13,419 posts)They tried in 2017 and could not muster 51 Senate votes in their reconciliation bill to kill it.
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tritsofme
(17,377 posts)if they could have passed it outside of Reconciliation with a simple majority in the Senate.
Just like the 2013 nuclear move has enabled Trump to seat as many appellate judges in three years as President Obama did in eight, this too could backfire in a big way.
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BlueMTexpat
(15,369 posts)record straight!
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BlueTsunami2018
(3,491 posts)Its worked out so well with Supreme Court justices, lets see what theyd do with far right legislation. 🙄
It seems like a good idea if youre in power, not so much when you arent.
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defacto7
(13,485 posts)limitations both starting it and ending it. It shouldn't simply be a stall tactic for the hell of it. There should be some political argument of substance and/or an incremental vote majority based on time... I don't know, something to keep it sane. Otherwise get rid of it.
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LonePirate
(13,419 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
bucolic_frolic
(43,149 posts)I think that's what they call them.
But filibuster was designed to prevent the dictatorship of the majority, to give the minority the right to be heard and some say on issues they feel strongly about. That's democracy. That's compromise. That's free speech.
I do NOT agree with ending the filibuster. I do agree with not having a dictator run the Senate. McConnell blocked Obama judicial nominees, then wouldn't listen to the Democratic minority on the stolen judicial vacancies.
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DrToast
(6,414 posts)One of the few areas I STRONGLY agree with Sen. Warren on.
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dalton99a
(81,484 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
turbinetree
(24,695 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Cuthbert Allgood
(4,921 posts)and the Republicans wanted to get rid of the filibuster?
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PBC_Democrat
(401 posts)But dont kill it - change it
Instead of just filing a form - make the party stand and speak continuously to hold the floor.
If the minority party (and at some point well be in the minority again) wants something that bad - let em work for it.
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tritsofme
(17,377 posts)If there is one track the majority cannot move on to other business it finds important, while it can in the case of the current rules.
So while the minority must hold the floor, it also prevents the majority from moving on its other priorities.
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PBC_Democrat
(401 posts)They should hold cloture votes periodically
Let the minority pay the price of having to hold the floor
Let the majority pay the price of having their agenda stopped In its tracks
In most cases half a loaf is better than no loaf
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The Valley Below
(1,701 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
LonePirate
(13,419 posts)Please share with us your insight as to how upwards of 10 Republicans would vote for any legislation in a Democratic Senate.
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dansolo
(5,376 posts)The filibuster was changed so it effectively raises the vote threshold to 60 votes for any bill. The filibuster should be changed back to the way it used to be.
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LonePirate
(13,419 posts)Yes, multiple people can speak or take part in a filibuster. Its not painful for them when they can have 3-4 people talk for a few hours every day while the Senate is in session. This is not some sort of Mr. Smith Goes to Washington filibuster. Requiring 60 votes prevents much needed legislation from being passed and the refusal to remove the filibuster signals your opposition to this much needed legislation.
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tritsofme
(17,377 posts)in three years as President Obama did in eight.
I am very worried about the unintended consequences of going nuclear, we wont be in power forever.
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Politicub
(12,165 posts)I can see the pros and cons. Basically, it will be pro if we control the president and congress... it will be an awful con if the GOP keeps control.
So I think it would be better not to broach this idea during the primary.
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The Mouth
(3,149 posts)require the Senators using it to ACTUALLY filibuster. This means NO other Senate business, and someone on the podium, at the lectern 24/7, not merely this 'not enough votes for cloture' crap.
It's an emergency measure, like airbags or water landings, everything else stops because one side has decided and is standing by their belief that this issue is important enough to bring the business of the republic to a standstill.
It has it's place, but not in a 'meh, we can't get votes enough for cloture so f- it' sense.
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tritsofme
(17,377 posts)They can stop action on not just the bill they are trying to kill, but all of the majoritys other priorities as well, since they cannot move onto other items.
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InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,122 posts)Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together & can't be bought!!
Jump on the Bernie Bandwagon & join the revolution!!
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The Mouth
(3,149 posts)Let me know how that Constitutional Amendment works out
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StevieM
(10,500 posts)They are pretty much done with democracy.
Sorry, but the Republicans cannot be allowed to keep the seat they stole, especially given what they plan on doing with it.
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northoftheborder
(7,572 posts)Only the Senate can make it's own rules. It's a good discussion to have, pros and cons.
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Midnightwalk
(3,131 posts)The filibuster has become a way to block any movement on any legislation by the minority without paying any political cost. I think most people see congress cant do anything and blame both sides without realizing it is the republicans who block all progress.
Having to take unpopular votes might make the republican positions more visible but only if we have a senate leader that is willing to advance legislation. Am I wrong that mcconnel blocks legislation even before getting to a filibuster?
Then theres the what happens when we are in the minority. But if the republicans had a majority in both houses and the presidency AND the will to publicly vote for their agenda wouldnt they get rid of the filibuster anyway? They got tax cuts through reconciliation. Why didnt they get rid of the filibuster and push through more of their agenda? I think it was partly because their agenda was too extreme for some of them. Eliminating ACA, social security and medicare might be enough for people to finally wake up, but what a horrible cost.
Something has to be done to make government function again. The senate is already heavily biased against high population states. The filibuster says we have to have 60 seats before we can have a legislative branch that works again.
Reform of some kind is needed. I think we would have our plates full with legislation in the first two years that could be passed through reconciliation. The priority should be getting popular legislation passed however we can so we can retain control after midterms. If we dont win the senate this whole topic is moot.
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AncientGeezer
(2,146 posts)The House sets their rules..as does the Senate. POTUS Warren would have zero say.....sounds like tossing chum to me.
Let's say A Democratic majority Senate changed that rule...a Republican Senate Majority could reinstate it just as fast.
The Filibuster serves a purpose...a valuable purpose....we say that with the McCain vote....saved ACA
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Gothmog
(145,176 posts)The filibuster really helped Democrats during the first two years of the trump term. There are not the votes to do this
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Jose Garcia
(2,595 posts)she can vote to end it.
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