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Ninga

(8,275 posts)
Wed Jan 15, 2020, 01:30 PM Jan 2020

Liz Warren is the candidate that can chop the demented one off at the knees in a debate.

She’s unflappable and unshakable. She is articulate and can pivot in a nano second.

She’s 70 and looks 60 and has the energy of a 40 yr old.
She has great appeal to young voters.

The benefit of her 70 years has allowed her to grow deep.
She’s whip smart, has a very creative mind, and a global thinker.

While I like listening to Klobuchar and Buttigieg, and am impressed by many of their answers,
their answers are not enough for me.

Biden is wonderful but the debate stage puts everyone under the microscope and I fear he will have enough small moments of unavoidable shakiness that will detract from his views and remind voters of his age.

We have to bypass the MSM and not let them lead us around by the nose, tell us that every small story or latest poll has major implications and have us take our eye off the prize.

Thank you for listening...


If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
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Liz Warren is the candidate that can chop the demented one off at the knees in a debate. (Original Post) Ninga Jan 2020 OP
And they can't very well pigeonhole her as "elitist" sandensea Jan 2020 #1
She's got my vote. Magoo48 Jan 2020 #9
Same here. sandensea Jan 2020 #13
Yes she would be remarkable, I agree The empressof all Jan 2020 #2
Would he even debate against one of the other candidates? Or no one at all? Ninga Jan 2020 #3
Yes I think he would go up against Biden or Bernie The empressof all Jan 2020 #6
I share your thoughts about Biden and Sanders. Ninga Jan 2020 #12
Yes! loyalsister Jan 2020 #21
he already said he doesn't see the need for debates.... getagrip_already Jan 2020 #23
Thanks for your thoughts, Ninga! BlueMTexpat Jan 2020 #4
I think it more healthy that we talk to each other about our favored candidate's qualities Ninga Jan 2020 #5
She is amazing saljr1 Jan 2020 #7
Please, not his lunch. I'd rather she stay healthy. CaptYossarian Jan 2020 #15
Elizabeth is the complete package. paulkienitz Jan 2020 #8
Sad fact is that debates don't matter. Hillary won every debatein 2016 and comradebillyboy Jan 2020 #10
and trump even had the questions ahead of time... getagrip_already Jan 2020 #25
Competent and Calm Bettie Jan 2020 #11
I bet he won't even bother with debates, he will do rallies instead. nt yaesu Jan 2020 #14
The demented one? You mean Trump I hope. Aaron Pereira Jan 2020 #16
Indeed trump is the demented one. It's ugly out there maybe will rival 2016 in ugly ness. Ninga Jan 2020 #17
Can't argue with that! moreland01 Jan 2020 #18
She's Got My Vote! McKim Jan 2020 #19
Hillary repeatedly cut him off at his knees. cab67 Jan 2020 #20
I love her too LiberalLovinLug Jan 2020 #22
While I heartily agree CanonRay Jan 2020 #24
I really don't think snowybirdie Jan 2020 #26
She uses her wry l humor well and sagesnow Jan 2020 #27
Without question! I believe Elizabeth may be the most competent candidate to ever run for President. InAbLuEsTaTe Jan 2020 #28
No way will Trump debate anyone this time around. nt paparush Jan 2020 #29
Trump wii never debate Warren for that reason Cicada Jan 2020 #30
2016. as if debates matter to the sheeple, oops, voters. pansypoo53219 Jan 2020 #31
I agree with everything you said except about Biden's age. Scotch-Irish Jan 2020 #32
A plurality of voters do not know Joe works very hard at keeping his stuttering under control, Ninga Jan 2020 #34
She's a champion debater, has been since high school. But Trump has already signaled he isn't highplainsdem Jan 2020 #33
 

sandensea

(21,624 posts)
1. And they can't very well pigeonhole her as "elitist"
Wed Jan 15, 2020, 01:31 PM
Jan 2020

She has that genuine, down-home Oklahoma persona that most cardboard politicos can only dream of.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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Magoo48

(4,705 posts)
9. She's got my vote.
Wed Jan 15, 2020, 02:03 PM
Jan 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

sandensea

(21,624 posts)
13. Same here.
Wed Jan 15, 2020, 02:19 PM
Jan 2020

Besides agreeing with her generally (as with Bernie), I really do think she has the best shot against the Orange Oaf.

Cheeto's great strength is that, to many, he's "entertaining" - and so much of politics is pedagogy.

There's where Warren's combination of encyclopedic knowledge, folksy persona, quick wit, and big personality will really shine through.

The 4 Big B's (Bernie, Biden, Bloomberg, and Buttigieg) all have elements of that - but none combine all those essential qualities.

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The empressof all

(29,098 posts)
2. Yes she would be remarkable, I agree
Wed Jan 15, 2020, 01:32 PM
Jan 2020

Too bad Trump will never agree to debate her if she is our nominee.

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Ninga

(8,275 posts)
3. Would he even debate against one of the other candidates? Or no one at all?
Wed Jan 15, 2020, 01:35 PM
Jan 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
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The empressof all

(29,098 posts)
6. Yes I think he would go up against Biden or Bernie
Wed Jan 15, 2020, 01:55 PM
Jan 2020

He would believe he could out swagger them without even trying. And although he will blow a lot of smoke around taking on Warren his aides would lobby strongly against it. His polling numbers with women in general are tanking and he couldn't help being offensive. He might agree only if the process could be highly scripted and he gets the questions in advance....So maybe a FOX debate. But I still think it would be unlikely. He probably does get what's left of a hard-on with the thoughts of calling her Pocahontas to her face... But that's really all he's got. I mean could you even imagine!

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Ninga

(8,275 posts)
12. I share your thoughts about Biden and Sanders.
Wed Jan 15, 2020, 02:12 PM
Jan 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
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loyalsister

(13,390 posts)
21. Yes!
Wed Jan 15, 2020, 03:39 PM
Jan 2020

angry white guy vs angry white gives him an advantage. The only people who want to see that kind of engagement are Trump supporters already. If anyone is thinking it over, they want substance during a debate and of the top three candidates, Warren has the best disposition to deliver.
She's more confident and less defensive than her opponents.

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getagrip_already

(14,708 posts)
23. he already said he doesn't see the need for debates....
Wed Jan 15, 2020, 03:49 PM
Jan 2020

At this point he couldn't debate a child and come away a winner.

The wh knows that. They are saying he won't debate. For reasons.

Trump only wants to run against bernie. For reasons. He will be afraid of anyone else.

I like liz and she would do great. But biden will do much better.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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BlueMTexpat

(15,366 posts)
4. Thanks for your thoughts, Ninga!
Wed Jan 15, 2020, 01:42 PM
Jan 2020

I too thought that Klobuchar and Buttigieg gave solid performances. I particularly liked Pete's voice and tone.

I also liked a lot of what Steyer was saying. He seems to be deeply committed to Dem causes.

Biden did well, but I too believe that he would likely not be as solid if he is alone under the spotlight with someone like Trump, who will always do the unexpected and who lies like no one ever before him. I just don't see the "ability to pivot in a nanosecond" quality in him. At least, not as much as I do with someone like Elizabeth or even Pete. A "deer-in-the-headlights" moment or a gaffe could cost Joe dearly.

Bernie was Bernie. IMO, Trump could very easily bait him into anger. He could implode on stage as a result.

JMO.

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Ninga

(8,275 posts)
5. I think it more healthy that we talk to each other about our favored candidate's qualities
Wed Jan 15, 2020, 01:48 PM
Jan 2020

rather that deferring to the MSM and let them do the thinking for us.

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saljr1

(273 posts)
7. She is amazing
Wed Jan 15, 2020, 01:55 PM
Jan 2020

She's smart and stays on message and i would love to see her in a debate with Trump. She would eat his lunch.

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CaptYossarian

(6,448 posts)
15. Please, not his lunch. I'd rather she stay healthy.
Wed Jan 15, 2020, 02:46 PM
Jan 2020

And screw the chopping off at the knees. She should aim about 16" higher.

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paulkienitz

(1,296 posts)
8. Elizabeth is the complete package.
Wed Jan 15, 2020, 02:00 PM
Jan 2020

Even in good stable times, she'd be an excellent president for managing all the small issues that make up good governance. And in these times, when we need big shakeups and contentious major reforms, she's excellently qualified for that role as well. It's not often you have both capacities in one politician.

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comradebillyboy

(10,143 posts)
10. Sad fact is that debates don't matter. Hillary won every debatein 2016 and
Wed Jan 15, 2020, 02:06 PM
Jan 2020

nobody cared.

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getagrip_already

(14,708 posts)
25. and trump even had the questions ahead of time...
Wed Jan 15, 2020, 03:52 PM
Jan 2020

at least the ones that involved fox. Possibly some others. He knew they were coming. Still didn't help him.

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Bettie

(16,089 posts)
11. Competent and Calm
Wed Jan 15, 2020, 02:06 PM
Jan 2020

I like that. It was what made me choose her over Harris, who I also really, really liked.

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yaesu

(8,020 posts)
14. I bet he won't even bother with debates, he will do rallies instead. nt
Wed Jan 15, 2020, 02:44 PM
Jan 2020
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Aaron Pereira

(383 posts)
16. The demented one? You mean Trump I hope.
Wed Jan 15, 2020, 02:48 PM
Jan 2020

Watching the last two days unfold makes me think we'll have a unity problem in November similar to what we saw in 2016. It's not going to help.

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Ninga

(8,275 posts)
17. Indeed trump is the demented one. It's ugly out there maybe will rival 2016 in ugly ness.
Wed Jan 15, 2020, 03:24 PM
Jan 2020
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moreland01

(738 posts)
18. Can't argue with that!
Wed Jan 15, 2020, 03:28 PM
Jan 2020

Who should she team up with? Castro? Booker? Abrams? Michelle Obama!!!!

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McKim

(2,412 posts)
19. She's Got My Vote!
Wed Jan 15, 2020, 03:34 PM
Jan 2020

She’s got my vote! I am also supporting Sanders to keep his ideas on the table. She will wipe the floor with Trump in a debate. This time we need him controlled so he can’t move around the stage. The moderator at the last 2016 debate should never have allowed that stalking behavior.

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cab67

(2,992 posts)
20. Hillary repeatedly cut him off at his knees.
Wed Jan 15, 2020, 03:35 PM
Jan 2020

It made no difference. Trump kept on as though his legs were intact, and voters didn't seem to care.

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LiberalLovinLug

(14,173 posts)
22. I love her too
Wed Jan 15, 2020, 03:40 PM
Jan 2020

So glad she is running.
I hope folks can also see through the attempted wedge some are trying to create between Sanders and Warren. Divide and conquer. Its so much tougher to fight both anti-corruption candidates. If they can knock off one, they wil then turn their horns on the one left. So please don't fall for this latest attempt to cause animosity between our two camps.

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CanonRay

(14,101 posts)
24. While I heartily agree
Wed Jan 15, 2020, 03:51 PM
Jan 2020

Trump will never debate anyone . He can no longer handle it mentally

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snowybirdie

(5,223 posts)
26. I really don't think
Wed Jan 15, 2020, 04:02 PM
Jan 2020

he'll debate this time around. Don't believe his people will let him be so exposed.

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sagesnow

(2,824 posts)
27. She uses her wry l humor well and
Wed Jan 15, 2020, 04:07 PM
Jan 2020

she has relentless energy and a phenomenal ability to pivot any question back to her message. She has honed her debate skills to a precision instrument. Can you tell I greatly admire her skills??

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InAbLuEsTaTe

(24,122 posts)
28. Without question! I believe Elizabeth may be the most competent candidate to ever run for President.
Wed Jan 15, 2020, 04:10 PM
Jan 2020

Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together & can't be bought!!
Jump on the Bernie Bandwagon & join the revolution!!
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paparush

(7,964 posts)
29. No way will Trump debate anyone this time around. nt
Wed Jan 15, 2020, 04:20 PM
Jan 2020
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Cicada

(4,533 posts)
30. Trump wii never debate Warren for that reason
Wed Jan 15, 2020, 04:32 PM
Jan 2020

Warren is head to head debate is a stone cold killer. In hearings she left sophisticated Bank CEOs begging for their mommies.

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pansypoo53219

(20,969 posts)
31. 2016. as if debates matter to the sheeple, oops, voters.
Wed Jan 15, 2020, 04:40 PM
Jan 2020
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Scotch-Irish

(464 posts)
32. I agree with everything you said except about Biden's age.
Thu Jan 16, 2020, 12:57 PM
Jan 2020

He's never been good at thinking on his feet. Give him a week or two, and he'll have the perfect come-back for most anything. But this is a 10-second world, now. It's not his age that has him hesitating. He's still sharp and knowledgeable. He's just not a quick come-back person.

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Ninga

(8,275 posts)
34. A plurality of voters do not know Joe works very hard at keeping his stuttering under control,
Thu Jan 16, 2020, 01:07 PM
Jan 2020

my point is that his hesitating or minor stumbles are not due to his age.

Of course he is sharp and quick witted and has deep global knowledge.

It’s not his age that has him hesitating, but low information voters might see it that way.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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highplainsdem

(48,966 posts)
33. She's a champion debater, has been since high school. But Trump has already signaled he isn't
Thu Jan 16, 2020, 01:03 PM
Jan 2020

likely to debate our nominee, whoever that is.

And while Hillary Clinton beat Trump badly in every debate, it still didn't win the electoral college for her.

Debate skill is nice, but it won't decide the GE, or even the primary race.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
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