Sanders-Warren dispute jolts Bernie's base into action

[JoeOtterbein]

Politico

“This is not what Sanders and his campaign want to be talking about,” said one Democrat.

By MARC CAPUTO

01/15/2020 06:59 PM EST

Updated: 01/15/2020 09:43 PM EST

ven by the standards of Bernie Sanders’ fundraising juggernaut, Tuesday was a big day: He raised $1.7 million from more than 100,000 small-dollar donors, his biggest debate-day haul of the 2020 campaign.

Sanders’ debate performance wasn’t the driving force behind the outpouring of cash. Rather, it was largely a response to his recent tensions with long-time ally Elizabeth Warren — a show of support and defiance that provides a window into the loyalty and motivation of Sanders’ grassroots base.

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After the debate, Sanders’ campaign co-chair, Nina Turner, fumed to reporters about “faux feminism.” Online, other supporters called Warren a liar and brought up her mistatements about having Native American ancestry. And they pointed out that Sanders — who has publicly advocated for women to be president for years — received more money from female donors than any other Democratic presidential candidate.

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[roody]

1. Sanders had 25K new donors in the last two days.

[George II]

6. Do we really know that? That's coming out of the campaign, I think we should wait....

....until we see the FEC filing, okay?

[ehrnst]

42. What is your source? Is that individual donations or individual donors... hard to tell sometimes.

WASHINGTON—The February day that Sen. Bernie Sanders began his second Democratic presidential campaign, Christine Peloza gave him $27, the amount Mr. Sanders often boasted was the average donation in his first run.Then, she kept giving, in $3 increments, clicking donate up to 20 times a day.

By the end of June, Ms. Peloza, a 34-year-old office manager at an elderly care facility in Illinois, had donated more than 850 times to Mr. Sanders.

https://www.allsides.com/news/2019-10-25-0625/small-donors-get-creative-give-over-and-over-2020-candidates

[vsrazdem]

2. They need to stop with the Bernie Bro crap. He has as many woman and men supporting him and

I am a woman, who is getting tired of being called a Bernie Bro.

[The Valley Below]

10. And how does bragging about fundraising off this event effect the narrative in your estimation?

I know what I think.

[vsrazdem]

15. Huh, what does fundraising have to do with being a female and called a Bernie Bro.

[The Valley Below]

19. Not "fundraising," but fundraising off this particular event.

If you don't see why that looks bad, then I'm not sure I can explain it to you.

[vsrazdem]

21. It has nothing to do with being called Bernie Bros, if you don't get it I can't explain it to you.

[The Valley Below]

22. When er, um, gender-based issues like this cause a fundraising spike, the recipient's

campaign might nor want to crow about it, unless they wish to further the same narrative that you complain about. KWIM?

[vsrazdem]

23. Sorry, that's not an explanation for the Bernie Bro tag holdover from 2016.

[The Valley Below]

26. Oh, I must disagree. Emphatically. Only one piece of the picture, certainly.

But it is a pattern that doesn't look good to many (self included).

[vsrazdem]

24. As far as gender based issues, she just set us back big time with that post debate display.

[The Valley Below]

28. Depends on whom one believes, I suppose.

[vsrazdem]

29. It has nothing to do with who is believed. She just reinforced the idiotic woman stereotypes.

She couldn't hold back her anger and do this in private. She had to march over to Sanders and act like a mom scolding a child instead of a Presidential candidate. I cannot think of a single male on that stage that would have done that, and I am a woman who has marched for women's rights and I am extremely disappointed in her behavior.

[The Valley Below]

30. That's not the way I saw that exchange.

She was affronted and faced the person who she felt--in essence--had publicly called her a liar.

Now his campaign boasts of fundraising off that unfortunate business, and you wonder why some people (not me) call his supporters names you don't care for? Think about it.

[58Sunliner]

31. No-she made BS supporters uncomfortable-not the same.

And we are not privy to their relationship, so we should not assume we know best when we don't. You know who set us back? BS. His treatment of Steyer was demeaning and dismissive. He looked like cranky a old man.

[vsrazdem]

32. She made me feel uncomfortable as a woman watching her as a candidate, unable to control her

anger and deal with it in private.

[Skidmore]

34. I think it was

fine for her to stand up for herself in the moment. Too many times we are given a pat on the head and told that it we I'll wait for later. I very much doubt that a confrontation by a man would have been dealt with so dismissively. I didn't see her being angry, just assertive about a wrong and trying to address it. I would rather have directness from a candidate than so much of the phone backslapping we've seen men engage in. It's what I like about Speaker Pelosi. She's fearlessly direct.

[booley]

16. How did it feel when warren did it?

Sanders has always been attacked. And when he is the donations come in. That appears to have been part of the reason for the Bernie blackout. If the media attacked him to much it would only help Sanders. This seems no different in that regard.

However, the speed at which Warren's campaign was able to use this to fundraise this specific issue concerns me.

[betsuni]

39. LOL

[Uncle Joe]

3. Kicked and recommended.

Thanks for the thread JoeOtterbein.

[TomCADem]

4. The More Trump Was Attacked for Being Racist and Sexist

The more his supporters would double down on their support. At a certain point it just became a point of pride for them.

[JoeOtterbein]

5. False equivalence?

Or am I missing your point?

[George II]

7. No. Yes.

[booley]

18. Yes. No.

It's a false equivalence.

Unless you can explain why Sanders would have wanted Warren to run in 2016, unless yu can show where Sanders used racism and sexism to get votes.. your comparison falls flat.

Just because you don't like Sanders doesn't' make him trump.
I don't like Biden but I wouldn't compare him to trump.

Your post only cheapens the discourse.

[TomCADem]

41. Trump Supporters Were Outraged at the Accusations Directed Toward Trump

...even when he was caught on tape. They dismissed any criticism as due to bias or some media conspiracy. Why is there dismissal patently unreasonable, yet when Bernie's campaign and supporters engage in similar harassment or abuse directed toward Elizabeth Warren, it is ok?

[BannonsLiver]

27. A very astute observation

Could not agree more. Sometimes devotion makes sense. Sometimes it’s just a bad look.

[ritapria]

8. Bernie's Campaign has raised 4 million dollars in the last 2 days

[George II]

11. Source: Bernie's Campaign.

[BannonsLiver]

25. Who cares?

Where’s the part where I’m supposed to be impressed or care?

[Skidmore]

35. Bloomberg will see any candidate's $4M

and raise them $1B.

I'm so done with these pissing contests over money. I don't care how much he raised. Just reflects that he's just another politician working people up to $2800 donation limits a few dollars at a time.

[Skidmore]

38. It's always about the money. nt

[highplainsdem]

9. If you think that article helps Sanders, you didn't read it very carefully.

After the Tuesday night debate, his supporters filled Twitter referring to Warren with snake emojis and caused “#LyingLiz;” “#NeverWarren;” and “#WarrenisaSnake” to trend Wednesday on the social media platform.

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In September, Sanders himself had to tweet he opposes “racist bullying and harassment” after some backers besieged the Working Families Party for endorsing Warren, whose advisers contend that marked the beginning of aggression against her from Sanders’ partisans.

That hostility increased after POLITICO reported last week that Sanders’ field staff was using unflattering talking points to describe Warren.

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Karen Finney, a senior Clinton adviser, said she’s familiar with the reaction of Sanders supporters who rally when Sanders is attacked, especially considering how the topic that played out this week. “[T]here seems to be an element of sexism, grievance and Bernie is fighting for them,” she said.

Democratic women have reacted viscerally to the condemnation of Warren by Sanders backers because it reminds them so much of what happened four years ago, Finney said.

“This time they’re not going to let the Bernie Bros do what they did last time,” she said. “There’s resentment still. There’s a scar there. And the wound reopened.”

[JoeOtterbein]

12. What is with Dems thinking that other Dems might agree, or disagree, with them on some matters?

And not others?

We are all Dems. No need to think in pro/con mode all the time here at DU.

We Dems are all friends!

[highplainsdem]

13. Joe, please go to Twitter and see if you can stop the all-out war there between Sanders and Warren

supporters.

[booley]

14. I think a lot of Sanders supporters were hurt by this

For many Sanders supporters, Warren was their second choice. By 30% which is not insignificant.

I was one of them. I did not expect Warren of all people to be so ... disappointing.
This wasn't just about Policy. It was a betrayal of who we thought she was as a person.

This also means that now Sanders is the only trustworthy candidate left in the race in my opinion, the only one who won't sell everyone out for political expediency. That kind of political expediency is what got us Trump. Even when it wins in the short term, it only sets us up for the smart Trump waiting down the line.

Which means I have to work even harder to get him into the White House.

[vsrazdem]

17. Yes, she was my second choice and now I feel betrayed by this. This wasn't about policy, she damn

well was trying to hurt his campaign. I don't believe it is true, but even if it was, this was only done to hurt Bernie and it was dirty politics. Like you said it wasn't about policy, it was about getting one up on Bernie and getting back up in the polls at his expense. And then the whole speech about "I don't want to fight with Bernie" , and immediately picks a fight in pubilic after the debate. It certainly made me question her judgement. So no, she is no longer my second choice.

[BannonsLiver]

20. The miscalculation here is that the base jolting into action is actually a net positive

From what I’ve seen on social media it is not. It’s a rather unpleasant look TBH. I haven’t seen this much mansplaining...since last night after the debate.

[ArcticFox]

33. Basically, if Warren is to be believed . . .

She dredged up a private conversation from two years ago

Where the two of them were discussing who would fare better in a match up against Trump.

The kind of conversation that works best if both parties can be candid and express their thoughts freely.

And now Warren demonstrates she's either lying or betraying Sanders' confidence.

It's not a good look either way.

[LanternWaste]

40. Thus, his base was not active prior?

Or was this simply melodramatic phrasing to better maintain an unsupported premise?




Still, with his huge cash hauls over the past two weeks, he yet seems to be consistently under-performing given the objective metrics (I know, I know... blame the media, question the polls, and prophecize the tomorrow) .

[NYMinute]

43. In my experience, they were already self-jolting enough to make sparks fly

Their jolting is without considering the facts and just singing the hymns of praise while ignoring the reality

And they pointed out that Sanders — who has publicly advocated for women to be president for years — received more money from female donors than any other Democratic presidential candidate.

FACT: It is the only campaign that has had massive complaints of sexual harassment of its workers which were completely ignored by Sanders.