Presenting this without comment

[StarfishSaver]

Because I just don't know wtf to say about it ...

Link to tweet

[Otto Lidenbrock]

1. You got there first so I'll C+P my post. A totally ignorant remark by Sanders.

What is Sanders great plan to win over Mississippi white voters which he makes sound easy? Black voters overwhemingly vote Democrat. It's the white population to win over. According to him the hard work local officials in the party do is very bad work. Republican officials don't try to win over black voters. They supress votes for God's sake. It's a state that is near the top on dependency from the federal government. A lot of red states are. Why doesn't he criticize Republicans for their very bad work rather than blaming Democrats?

I have an idea what his solution is. Do what every democrat he's trashing does and put forward programs that get rejected for identity reasons by the larger voting bloc because that's the nature of Deep South politics.

[Gothmog]

2. I agree with your analysis

[cannabis_flower]

8. That's not right.

This is a misstatement or a misreading or both.

First of all saying the other 90% are not racist means by his definition there is no racist white person in Mississippi.

That is not what he's saying at all. What he's saying is that some part of that 90% is not racist. Maybe of that 90% that voted for the other candidate 30 or 40% were not racist but just thought the other candidate was better. That could still mean that 60 or 70% were racist. It isn't saying none of them were racist.

[brooklynite]

12. Not what he said...

He’s not saying that NONE off the 90% were racist; he’s saying that NOT ALL of them are racist, and therefore SOME of them were gettable votes (presumably if a “real” Democrat came along)

[Otto Lidenbrock]

20. You're right. I misread the statement, but stand by that Sanders would not do better to flip state

They reject democrats who want to support the state with programs. Sanders will be no different

[Cha]

38. So President Barack Obama is "not a real Dem"?

[brooklynite]

43. Remind us which candidate suggested Obama should be Primaried?

[Cha]

45. Exactly.. Thank you!

[NurseJackie]

15. Ignorant indeed.

It makes me angry. And sad. But mostly angry.

[Uncle Joe]

16. You and the OP chopped off what Bernie continued to say,

"If we can raise that 10% to 25-30% we can win Mississippi."

Also stating that one believes 90% of white people in Mississippi are not racist by no definition whatsoever means there are no racist white people there.

What is Bernie's great plan to win over Mississippi you ask?

To start with don't label every white person in Mississippi as being racist.

[Cha]

21. "...That speaks to very bad work done by Democrats.. "

[Uncle Joe]

22. Yes, do you believe any political party is above criticism?

[Cha]

23. "very bad work".. BS digs in those insults to my Dem Party.

[Uncle Joe]

26. So your "Dem Party" is above criticism, got it.

[Cha]

29. BS is gratuitiously insulting the Democratic Party

"That speaks to very bad work done by Democrats"

[Uncle Joe]

31. Well with getting only 10% of the white vote, I believe

"very bad work" is more appropriate than "you're doing a heckuva job."

[Cha]

35. It's Not the Democrats fault that Barack Obama

got 10% of the white people's vote. BS can try to blame it on them.. but it's Not working

[lapfog_1]

54. Would it not have been more politic to say

"Obama got 10% of the white vote, I believe we can do better"?

and Bernie is a Democratic politician, right?

[Cha]

56. Exactly, lapfrog! But, Noooooooooo!

[sheshe2]

71. And 90% of the black vote.

Our base. Our Democratic base.

Well, he did not mention that.

Uncle Joe
31. Well with getting only 10% of the white vote, I believe

"very bad work" is more appropriate than "you're doing a heckuva job."

What percentage of the black vote is Bernie looking at?

[brush]

105. It's Mississippi. Of course they're racists. Sanders is naive...

and loves bashing Democrats.

For God's sake! It's Miss-a-fucking-ssippi, the cradle of the confederacy and racism.

[sheshe2]

52. It is your Dem Party too.

Correct?

Correct?

Correct?

[Uncle Joe]

57. Correct

Correct

Correct

[sheshe2]

60. Good to know.

I was a tad confused their for a moment when you said "Your Democratic Party". Not OUR!

[Uncle Joe]

66. That's just because he said it was my not ours. n/t

[sheshe2]

74. Ummmhmmm.

[Uncle Joe]

76. Ohhmmmmm

[Cha]

112. ...

Link to tweet

[redstateblues]

77. That's a tell

[sheshe2]

78. Certainly is, redstateblues.

Your most certainly not Our. Tells ya all you need to know.

[Uncle Joe]

113. My Democratic Party can handle criticism, even if yours can't,

that's a tell.

[Cha]

118. Oh Bull.. It's not "criticism'.. it's an insult.

[StarfishSaver]

69. This isn't the time for critiques of the Democratic Party. Why isn't he focusing on beating Trump?

[vsrazdem]

58. Sorry but the party has put little to no money in races in the south in the past. It wasn't

until recently they started, so yes, our party can do better.

[Cha]

64. Sorry, BS is blaming Dems for "Mississippi Racism".

[sheshe2]

81. Bernie says he is a Dem, Our Party.

How much money has he spent there? He has boatloads.

[Autumn]

115. It's my Dem party too. And they are not above criticism.

[tishaLA]

91. It's one thing to say "the Democratic Party has to work harder...

to convince voters like those white voters in MS to vote for the party by discussing policies that...." than saying "the Democratic Party is doing a bad job"

[StarfishSaver]

97. At least he didn't call it the "Democrat Party"

[Cha]

107. Yeah, and he knows exactly what he's saying.. he hired

dsirota, bri, and turner.

[StarfishSaver]

33. I didn't "chop off" anything. I posted the video in which he says that

It's still a wtf comment.

[Uncle Joe]

34. That tweet you posted IS the OP particularly as you made "no comment."

[StarfishSaver]

37. The tweet contains a video I expected people to watch

Just as I always expect - often futilely - people to actually read the links I include in my OPs. That's the point of including them.

[Uncle Joe]

39. I would wager some people that posted or didn't on this thread, never viewed the video

they just saw the chopped off headline.

The same holds true with magazines and newspapers, sometimes people just see the headline and go with that, they never read the content.

[StarfishSaver]

44. If s they are not going to read or look at the information provided, that's their problem

It's not my responsibility nor does it make any sense for me to include full quotes of entire chunks of speeches every time I reference comments by a politician. I provide the information in the Opie. If people don't bother to use it, that's on them.

But that said the full quote is just as bad as the excerpt. The portion that you seem to think cleans up his comment does nothing of the kind. The entire comment is tone deaf and stupid. Hearing it in its entirety only makes that clearer.

[Uncle Joe]

47. That's why it became my responsibility to add context since you didn't wish to. n/t

[StarfishSaver]

72. Your "context" doesn't do a thing to change the stupidity and tone-deafness of the comment.

But you obviously think it was fine.

Gotcha.

[Cha]

106. KR!

[StarfishSaver]

32. Yes to this!

Great post!

[Demsrule86]

3. There have been polls showing Mississippi favors reinstating slavery.

[The Valley Below]

4. Beyond tone deaf.

[Bummfuzzle]

5. Ok, so even IF only 70% are racist you would think Sanders would call that out.

[comradebillyboy]

49. They aren't racists they are economically anxious.

[sheshe2]

55. This!!!!

[mcar]

86. ...

[dewsgirl]

6. When was this?

[BlueMTexpat]

9. The video has today's date. eom

[dewsgirl]

10. Yikes 😳

[W_HAMILTON]

7. Sanders won 16.62% of the vote in the 2016 Mississippi primary.

I guess that speaks to very bad work done by you, Mr. Sanders?

[Cha]

14. yes.. why doesn't he point that out?

[TexasTowelie]

53. +1

[58Sunliner]

82. Sanders won 16.62% of total Dem votes.

So 16.62% of 227,164-which is the total number of votes cast for Dem candidates in the primary. Bernie got 37,748 votes. Repukes had 416,270 primary votes cast. Estimated 2016 total number of eligible voters-2,988,726. Under 30% voter turnout. Sad.

[W_HAMILTON]

93. And if Sanders is the answer to that problem, why did so few turn out to vote for him?

[58Sunliner]

95. Excellent question-which he will ignore.

[StarfishSaver]

98. And what has he done before now to help address the problem?

[OilemFirchen]

104. ... and, as a percentage of all voters, Senator Sanders got 11% of the AA vote.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016-election/primaries/MS

That's not bad. That's humiliatingly awful.

[peggysue2]

11. Oops!

Hardly surprising though. Sanders gave Trump voters a pass before this. Remember this beaut?

https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/326820-sanders-defends-trump-voters-i-dont-think-theyre-racists

Didn't play well then. Doesn't play well now.

[Cha]

18. Yes, just kicked the over 400 reply thread

showing the tweet.

Thanks, Peggysue!

[StarfishSaver]

36. He seems to spend more effort defending Trump voters than he does trying to

protect and defend the minorities who are being victimized by him. Instead he accuses those who do try to address our concerns of engaging in "identity politics."

[Cha]

13. Yes, blame it on the Dems, BS..

Link to tweet

[sheshe2]

59. He didn't mention that Obama...

He didn't mention that Obama won 90% of the black vote in MISS 2008.

[Cha]

65. I know.. what a shame.

[sheshe2]

67. ;)

[Cha]

70. Glad the LIGHT is Shining on this..

[sheshe2]

73. Me too, Cha.

[Quackers]

17. There's nothing you really can say.

People are getting so numb to this. What would’ve been enough to end a campaign run a decade ago, is just brushed aside as another day in politics. You can tell the crowd reacted to that statement too. I don’t think they were a fan.

[Cha]

25. Good.. 'cause I can't get through any of his

lectures on the "very bad work of the Dems".

[George II]

19. Unbelievable. On the one hand he points out that only 10% of whites in Mississippi.....

....voted for Obama (he didn't say the year, but it was 2012) and then he follows with "90% of the white people in Mississippi are not racist"!!!??? He clearly hasn't spent much time studying the history of race relations in Mississippi.

Mississippi is the state where Emmett Till was tortured and murdered, and to this day his memorial is defaced periodically.
Mississippi is the state where Medgar Evers murdered.
Mississippi is the state where Chaney, Schwerner, and Goodman were murdered.

Plus, Sanders didn't live in a rent controlled apartment for the first 18 years of his life. Brooklyn didn't have rent control in 1941, it spread from Manhattan to the boroughs in the mid-to-late 1940s.

The fact that he lived in one (if he did) for some years later isn't a measure of his family's economic state. Tenants in rent controlled apartments weren't reviewed annually or periodically with respect to economics, and many weren't in rent controlled apartments simply because they were "poor". Rent control was implemented by building, not apartment. There always were relatively affluent people living under "rent control". Once in a rent controlled apartment one could not be evicted or have the rent control withdrawn.

I remember back in the 1970s a friend of mine was an executive of Xerox Corporation. He used to brag about how he lived in a rent controlled apartment on the East Side, paying ~ $120 per month, despite making over $60,000. The landlord could only raise the rent if he moved and they got a new tenant. Because of that many people STAYED in rent controlled apartments even if they could afford much more expensive apartments.

Thanks for the video.

[StarfishSaver]

68. One of my relatives has lived in a rent-controlled Upper West Side apartment for the past 56 years

As long as she or someone in his immediate family occupies the apartment, the rent can't go up beyond a very limited range until he moves (which ain't going to happen) or he dies.

She's neither white nor working class.

[George II]

75. I lived in a rent stabilized building (slightly different, rent was established....

....based on certain guidelines) on the Upper West Side. A month or so before I moved to Yonkers I got my renewal notice. My rent would have gone DOWN a couple of percent! And then a year later the building went co-op, I could have bought my apartment for an "insider" price, almost half the market price, which in 1985 was still pretty low.

[StarfishSaver]

84. Interesting!

I suspect that when they finally snatch the 3 bedroom, 2 bath apartment out of her cold dead hands, the rent will immediately go up about 800%.

[George II]

87. Probably more! That's amazing, that apartment is bigger than my house! BTW....

....one of the things my wife loves about the movie "The Odd Couple" is the old NYC apartment Felix and Oscar live in. That building is on Riverside Drive.

[StarfishSaver]

90. Wow. Probably so.

Yes, it's yuuuge.

I'm always amused at the tv shows with the hip young people who work in bookstores and coffeehouses and live in humongous sprawling apartments with full island kitchens. At least Felix and Oscar had high-paying jobs that probably allowed them to afford their apartment.

[George II]

92. To think that my apartment was less than 300 square feet - a one-room studio with a kitchenette....

...and a bathroom.

My rent was $340 a month in the early '80s, it sold for something between $40-50K (insider price) in 1986. It's now worth more than $600K.

[StarfishSaver]

96. Haha

A friend of mine paid $925 for a one-bedroom, third-floor walkup on Riverside Drive around 79th in the late 1980s. I was horrified and couldn't fathom why anyone in their right mind would pay that kind of money for such an apartment. He said, "Are you kidding me? This is a steal!"

I can only imagine what the rent is on that place now ...

(It just occurred to me that was 30+ years ago. Damn, I'm old ...)

[WhiskeyGrinder]

24. WELP.

[VarryOn]

27. To hell with Mississippi nt

[Kurt V.]

63. I'm wondering how many DU'ers live in Mississippi that fight the good fight everyday?

[mcar]

89. Thank you for speaking up for Dems

who live in the South. Many of us are busting our butts, against long odds, to get Dems elected.

[ismnotwasm]

28. He Needs to toss away this particular shovel

White people don’t need defending.

[Cha]

30. Well said, ismnotwasm!

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

40. Wait, what?

The problem is the Democrats, not racist white people?

[Cha]

41. Exactly.. pretzel logic

[Bummfuzzle]

79. Right.

[Cha]

42. Malarkey!

Link to tweet

[Docreed2003]

46. This seems to be exactly how Bernie feels

He said in The NY Times interview that the backlash from white america in 2016 wasn't driven by racism as much as it was the fact that "establishment Democrats and Republicans" had turned their backs on working people.

Everything in his mind is driven by his economic worldview, everything


On edit..Soledad O'Brien tweeted the video clip of that exchange earlier today.

[vsrazdem]

61. Maybe you should post the interview so they can seen the entirety of what was said and not just pick

parts of it.

[W_HAMILTON]

48. Expecting to win over Democratic voters by constantly insulting the Democratic Party...?

[Cha]

50. lol

Link to tweet

[Hortensis]

51. White liberals tend to average somewhere between 20-35%

of the vote in red states, most often in the upper half. I haven't looked into vote suppression and other forms of election theft in MS, but it existed as sure as bigotry. Aside from how accurate that 90% figure is, the question is what percentage is estimated due to subversion of the vote.

[questionseverything]

101. that is probably closer to the truth

since the repubs own the counting machines and all

[ehrnst]

62. The Democratic party is to blame for a lot, isn't it?

[betsuni]

80. This makes my brains hurt and I need it explained to me.

[Hoyt]

83. Yeah, white Mississippians elected racist Haley Barbour twice.

[Cha]

111. this guy needs to be aware of that... instead of trying to blame

Dems...

Link to tweet

[mcar]

85. WTF?

[tishaLA]

88. headdesk headdesk headdesk headdesk headdesk

[58Sunliner]

94. OMG-reality check please.

Total votes cast 2012 pres election in state- 1,285,584. So approx 36% of eligible voters voted. Whites make up @ 59% of population, blacks-@ 37%. Which leaves @ 64% of voters who did not vote. Demographics indicate they would be primarily white. A minority of white voters selected Romney. Does BS have a plan to get voters who don't show up to vote? Because that is a real issue. Not that Barack supposedly only got 10% of white votes. White voters fail themselves by not showing up to vote. As for racism-historically racist isn't it?

[democrattotheend]

99. This is massively misleading - Kerry got 14% of the white vote in Mississippi

Racist or not, the vast, vast majority of white voters in Mississippi vote Republican. And yes, I think it is absolutely believable that 4% of white voters in Mississippi didn't vote for Obama because of racism.

Amazingly, Obama actually got 43% of the vote in Mississippi despite such a poor showing with white voters. The problem is, the white vote is so heavily skewed Republican right now that I don't think any Democrat, black or white, could ever get that last 7%.

[Cha]

100. Thank you for this, democrattotheend.

[nancy1942]

102. Sorry, Bernie, but you're wrong.

This is Mississippi you're talking about. Open your eyes.

[boomer_wv]

103. 90% aren't...

but more are than aren't.

Honestly, if you didn't vote for Obama in 2008, you aren't going to vote for one ever.

[RandySF]

108. K&R

[Gothmog]

109. This story is getting some coverage

Link to tweet

?s=20

[Cha]

110. ..

[Autumn]

117. Hey Bravnak's back on twitter! Still willing to give her pretend support to anyone

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This time for weed!

Link to tweet

[Cha]

114. I don't know why the tweet isn't showing up on

this page but we can still see it at the link..
c
hris evans

@notcapnamerica

@BernieSanders
: “Barack Obama won 10% of the white vote in Mississippi. That speaks to very bad work done by Democrats there. 90% of white people in Mississippi are not racist.”

[redqueen]

119. LMAO how am I blocked? I don't even know who this guy is

Twitter is hilarious I stg.

Could someone clue me in on the content of the tweet?