Why Bernie Sanders Is Electable, Too Against Trump.

[vsrazdem]

https://morningconsult.com/2020/01/14/why-bernie-sanders-is-electable-too/

Sanders leads Trump in the latest head-to-head polling 46 percent to 42 percent, picking up 2 percentage points on the incumbent Republican since the previous survey and statistically tied with Biden, who leads Trump 46 percent to 41 percent. The latest national survey, which was conducted Jan. 6-12 and polled between 8,218 and 8,386 registered voters, has a 1-point margin of error.

[Gothmog]

1. Hugh Hewett is voting for sanders because sanders is such a weak candidate

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[vsrazdem]

4. Thanks Hugh, we'll take any vote we can get.

[Gothmog]

8. Rush Limbaugh would love to have the weakest candidate as the Democratic nominee

The GOP would love to have the weakest possible candidate as the Democratic nominee

[vsrazdem]

10. Well, that would be Joe Biden, Since Bernie Beats Trump in Florida higher than Joe does.

[Gothmog]

39. sanders is such a weak canddate that if sanders is the nominee, trump will win 45+ states

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[Hortensis]

9. Why? Doesn't allying with conservatives

send up even one warning flag? They vastly outnumber Sanders supporters, you know, and a large majority of those are downright inimical toward him.

You cannot win by allowing with the right against the Democratic Party. Those whose goal is to lose can, though, and we know some of those are in bed with you. Again.

[vsrazdem]

12. I want Bernie as our Candidate, and if takes independent and Repubs to get him there, so be it.

People can vote for whoever they want. Meagan McCain is voting for Biden, so does that send up warning flags too.

[Hortensis]

15. No to that last. She's trying to ELECT Biden, not destroy us.

[Gothmog]

40. So you want trump to have another four years?

The only reason that these GOP voters are voting for sanders is that they know that sanders will lose to trump and lose badly

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[Zolorp]

14. Telling

[Demsrule86]

51. The fact he is voting for Trump in the general should give some pause...but it is a shame that

some don't seem to care if we beat Trump as long as the candidate they support is nominated...no not saying you...just in general,I have seen this. It is very disappointing.

[Zolorp]

3. Sanders is only now beginning to be vetted as a candidate

His affiliation with the SWP alone will insure defeat in any national election.

[vsrazdem]

6. Good luck trying to push that narrative.

[Zolorp]

16. No luck to it. The SWP was a communist organization. He was affiliated.

That's the GOP wet dream for a Democratic Presidential candidate.

[vsrazdem]

18. LOL, this narrative is going nowhere, intelligent people see through it.

[Zolorp]

23. Intelligent people do not determine the outcome of national elections.

Average to below average people determine the outcome of national elections.

A man who was affiliated with the Communists, praised Castro, and sided with Iran during the hostage crisis cannot win a national election.

[The Valley Below]

34. Intelligent people fully understand the ideology embraced by Bernard Sanders

and most repudiate that ideology.

He will not be the Democratic nominee.

For very good reasons.

[OnDoutside]

53. Erm.... who's the current president ?

[Gothmog]

41. trump would easily destroy a very weak candidate like sanders

Trump had a two foot thick book of oppo research on Sanders http://www.newsweek.com/myths-cost-democrats-presidential-election-521044

They ignored the fact that Sanders had not yet faced a real campaign against him. Clinton was in the delicate position of dealing with a large portion of voters who treated Sanders more like the Messiah than just another candidate. She was playing the long game—attacking Sanders strongly enough to win, but gently enough to avoid alienating his supporters. Given her overwhelming support from communities of color—for example, about 70 percent of African-American voters cast their ballot for her—Clinton had a firewall that would be difficult for Sanders to breach....

So what would have happened when Sanders hit a real opponent, someone who did not care about alienating the young college voters in his base? I have seen the opposition book assembled by Republicans for Sanders, and it was brutal. The Republicans would have torn him apart. And while Sanders supporters might delude themselves into believing that they could have defended him against all of this, there is a name for politicians who play defense all the time: losers....

The Republicans had at least four other damning Sanders videos (I don’t know what they showed), and the opposition research folder was almost 2-feet thick. (The section calling him a communist with connections to Castro alone would have cost him Florida.) In other words, the belief that Sanders would have walked into the White House based on polls taken before anyone really attacked him is a delusion built on a scaffolding of political ignorance.

[Zolorp]

24. So because I am new to this forum my opinion is not as valuable as others who have been here longer.

I don't recall reading that in the TOS.

[vsrazdem]

26. I don't recall saying your opinion is not as valuable. I welcomed you. A little touchy are we?

[Zolorp]

29. That appeared to be what you were insinuating with the derogatory "newbie"

Anywhere in life where that term has been used to describe me, both online and off, it has always been derogatory. A put down.

[vsrazdem]

30. Apparently appeared that way to only you. You should read posts here more often. That term is

used here frequently to welcome new members.

[Zolorp]

33. This is my first experience where the term is not a put down insult.

[vsrazdem]

35. Welcome to a new experience. Things can get a little heated here, but we do not discourage or

disparage new poeple to the site.

[Sloumeau]

31. Zolorp, as long as your posts do not violate the terms of service, you can pretty much

say whatever you like. Biden is leading in the last three Iowa polls, so he will probably win Iowa, and then will have about an 80% chance of winning it all. Because of this, do not be surprised if you see posts that seem to be quite a stretch from reality.

[Zolorp]

32. I just saw a poll that had Biden ahead by a wide lead, followed by Buttigieg and Warren

Sanders was a distant fourth.

Saw it on Twitter, will have to see if I can find a link.

[Thekaspervote]

5. Hugh Hewitt?? Really?? now there's an endorsement any good dem would want to side step!!

[vsrazdem]

7. Oh, I don't know, Meagan McCain seems to love Biden and his policies, so there's that.

[beachbumbob]

11. not a single state that bernie wins that Biden wins easily while there are 5

states that Biden will win that bernie has little chance

[vsrazdem]

13. Which ones?

[beachbumbob]

20. Not rocket science

- Florida
- Arizona
- Ohio
- Iowa
- N.Carolina


with outside chances in S. Carolina, Georgia, Texas, Missouri

[vsrazdem]

28. I just posted Bernie beats Trump in Florida higher than Biden, so Florida - so no.

Arizona, which is where I live, I wouldn't count on that either. Ohio, slim chances of picking up by any Dem. I think Iowa will go to whover the Dem nominee is.

Southern states, we seldom win in the General.

[Zolorp]

43. I never heard about him praising Castro until a few days ago.

Won't that kill any chance he has in Florida?

[Demsrule86]

50. There are tapes with him praising Castro...so he will never win Florida.

[Sloumeau]

17. If Senator Sanders were to win the nomination, we would see months...

and months of "Crazy Bernie!" advertisements. Senator Bernie Sanders is the least electable of all of the candidates, and some do not realize it yet because the GOP is trying to get Dems to pick Sanders.

[highplainsdem]

22. +1,000,000

[vsrazdem]

25. And if its Biden, we will see months and months of Biden and his son are crooks, just like with

Hillary's Emails. Trump loves that story.

[Sloumeau]

27. Please show me the evidence that the

Bidens did anything illegal.

[vsrazdem]

36. Do you really think that matters to Trump.

[vsrazdem]

37. It doesn't matter that they didn't do anything wrong. He will repeat it over and over anyway, just

like he did with the Emails. It will be lock em up all over again.

[emmaverybo]

46. That, the Biden and son deal, not nearly as potent as "I am a socialist," coupled with policies

costing trillions, no accomplishments legislatively, 60’s radical theme(think white boys who never worked hawking Worker’s World magazines), a heart attack, and an off-putting manner. Who sees
Bernie as a uniter? Sure,I will vote for him in the GE, but many will vote against and many stay home. Baggage carried by a man of Biden’s presidential qualifications and broad likability is one thing. Bernie, needing porters to carry his, is another and we need to think hard about that.

I credit him for the force of personality to found a movement for like-minded others. That is his singular and single political accomplishment.

[Demsrule86]

48. Um no.

[Demsrule86]

49. Doubtful as Trump broke the law and attacked Biden and his son...may have attempted to

assassinate the ambassador as well. I would vote for Warren if Biden was out...not Sanders as a perceived socialist will not win the general. And I don't like his campaign's scorched earth tactics.

[highplainsdem]

21. The only reason Sanders is polling at all well against Trump is that Sanders hasn't really been

vetted and scrutinized, as Joe Lockhart pointed out on CNN

https://www.cnn.com/2020/01/15/opinions/bernie-sanders-2020-scrutiny-test-lockhart/index.html

and the GOP isn't going after Sanders because they want him to be the Democratic nominee.

[Gothmog]

42. The Clinton campaign had an amazing oppo file on sanders but never used it

The Clinton campaign had an amazing and well written oppo file on sanders that was never used because sanders was such a weak candidate that no one thought that sanders would be the nominee.

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sanders was mathematically eliminated by the Super Tuesday contests

[LovingA2andMI]

38. Disinformation Campaign At Play....

Recognize it would one sees it.

[brooklynite]

44. A current head-to-head poll isn't a sign of "electability"...

Sanders hasn't been subject to an opposition campaign by Republicans for decades.

[Gothmog]

45. Obama campaign guru: Trump would love to run against Bernie

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Barack Obama’s 2012 campaign manager is warning that Democrats would struggle in a general election against Donald Trump if Bernie Sanders is the nominee.

In an interview with POLITICO, Jim Messina predicted that Trump would exploit Sanders’ stamp of socialism in battleground states needed to defeat Trump, keep control of the House and have a shot at winning the Senate.

“If I were a campaign manager for Donald Trump and I look at the field, I would very much want to run against Bernie Sanders,” Messina said. “I think the contrast is the best. He can say, ‘I’m a business guy, the economy’s good and this guy’s a socialist.’ I think that contrast for Trump is likely one that he’d be excited about in a way that he wouldn’t be as excited about Biden or potentially Mayor Pete or some of the more Midwestern moderate candidates.”....

“From a general election perspective, socialism is not going to be what Democrats are going to want to defend,” Messina added.“If you’re the Democratic nominee for the Montana Senate race, you don’t want to spend the election talking about socialism.”

Messina is the latest Democrat to raise concerns about Sanders at the top of the ticket. Endangered House Democrats are coalescing around Biden because of concerns that Sanders or Elizabeth Warren could threaten their reelection hopes, POLITICO reported Saturday.

[Demsrule86]

47. He is not winning Virginia...so no he is not electable.

[booley]

54. not yet anyway

I remember when you all were saying there was no way for Sanders to ever be competitive any where. He was supposed to have dropped out early last year.

The arguments against Sanders's electability appear to an ever-receding horizon of wishful thinking.

[Demsrule86]

55. The only reason he is competitive is that there are so many running...and he will be eliminated on

super Tuesday...he simply doesn't have enough support and has alienated some recently.

[MH1]

52. NATIONAL POLLS ARE USELESS.

What, do they think we are fucking morons who don't understand the electoral college?

Why do they bother with this crap?

Oh right, because some people buy it.

[Gothmog]

56. GOP support a very weak sanders shows that sanders is the weakest candidate

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