NYT nails sanders

[Gothmog]

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[squirecam]

1. Well

They aren’t wrong. His campaign team is divisive as hell.

[Cha]

2. Booom.

[PatSeg]

3. Well

That summed it up very succinctly.

[grantcart]

4. Bingo

[Hekate]

5. Ouch

[TomCADem]

6. How Long Before Bernie Sanders Starts Ripping The New York Times as Failing?

It is what Trump has done, so how long before we hear about Bernie complaining about the failures of the New York Times and Fake News?

[Thekaspervote]

10. Ha! Sirota and turner burning the midnight oil.

I wonder how that negative blow, the truth of the matter must feel to sanders and his campaign? Suppose he will have an epiphanal moment and tell his attack dogs to lay off? Seriously kidding myself...right?

[TomCADem]

11. Bernie Sanders: "Maybe the New York Times has failed them, too."

I guess that did not take long with Bernie Sanders pushing a false equivalency blaming Republicans and Democrats equally for failing the American people, and the New York Times, too! It did not take long for Bernie Sanders to jump on Trump's "failing New York Times" train:

https://www.commondreams.org/news/2020/01/17/trumps-racist-demagoguery-only-works-says-sanders-because-too-many-americans-feel

"How did Trump become president?" Sanders said. "I think it speaks to something that I talk about a lot and that is the fact that...tens and tens of millions of Americans feel that the political establishment, Republican and Democrat, have failed them. Maybe the New York Times has failed them, too."

[Thekaspervote]

13. So much for my hopes of an epiphanal moment!!

[getagrip_already]

24. narcissists don't have epiphanies....

Fault always lies elsewhere, apologies are never necessary because they are never wrong. Self reflection is only self adoration.

[lapucelle]

27. "How did Trump become president?" Really?

[Skittles]

7. that is....pretty much it

yup

[VarryOn]

8. With no criticism for any particular candidate....

I am of the opinion that 70+ years is too old to be president. None of the current candidates is having age-related issues, and that includes Sanders' heart attack back in October. Fortunately, things turned out well for him, and he actually seems to be quite well.

My concern is for an elected president. God forbid one die, but an incapacitated president with a VP waiting on his boss's promotion to glory could last for days or weeks. In the meantime, government would pause while doctors determined if/when the big moment occurs. No matter where one stands on the current oval office occupant, a presidential demise is a big deal. And what if we were in a situation where he or she lingered. Not good!

What's the best cutoff? Who knows?70? 72? 80? But, we know the older one gets, the likelier the aforementioned problem could happen. The VP would need to ready while we all wait. It would not be a grand time. And we are talking about something that could last weeks or longer!

There is quite a crop of elderly candidates, and an incapcitated president with no hope of returning isnt outside the realm of possibility. And while it has thankfully been decades since a presidential death. Let's hope it doeant happen anytime soon, but taking candidate age into consideration is totally rational.

[Gothmog]

33. I have met Joe twice in person

He is in amazing shape. I am not worried about Joe

[Thekaspervote]

9. Thank you NYT! Absolutely nailed it

Thank goodness sanders will not be the nominee

[rpannier]

12. Two words

Jerry Brown

[Scurrilous]

14. Over promising? Ya' think?

Whatever you can name...for all!

[SunSeeker]

15. K & R

[murielm99]

16. K&R

[calimary]

17. BOOM!

Dayum...

[rusty quoin]

18. There are two things in my mind.

There is healthcare for all which is government controlled, or Medicare for all.

The second one, or it should be the first, is saving life on earth. It’s simple to me. Bernie wants to save the planet too.

The green new deal is a path to do so.

I don’t care to go back to corporate backed candidates, but being smart, I would vote over Trump to give us more years. If you cannot fix it, make it better.

[Hortensis]

19. So he reminds the Board of Trump also.

Lots of little things do me in spite of all the differences, just didn’t expect them to point to it.

It was a bizarre interview, btw, considering the interviewee is actually in the running for president of the United States (just happened again, another reminder of Trump). In classic NYT style, they understate the facts and leave it to the reader to interpret. On line for reading.

[lanlady]

20. That's Bernie in a nutshell

n/t

[C_U_L8R]

21. My way or no way.

That's always repelled me. Especially because I don't think all his policies are good or completely thought through. Loud stubbornness is not an attractive strategy to all of us.

[getagrip_already]

22. A little buffing and that will come right out..... not

This is one of those observations that once you see it, it can't be unseen. When I realized the similarities between bernie and trump, they started popping out at me every time he spoke.

There are a lot.....

[betsuni]

23. K&R

[ehrnst]

25. Good points.

But cue the "Bernie is getting crucified" metaphors...

[Demsrule86]

38. He will blame Warren too...and his supporters have been vicious.

[BlueMTexpat]

26. Bingo! eom

[getagrip_already]

28. It would seem....

The bros and the Bob's are stunned into silence.

Now that is a first.

[Kurt V.]

29. he probably turned them off when he said he wasn't going to kiss their ass.

[Squinch]

30. Sure. That's it.

[Gothmog]

31. NYT did not buy the concept of sanders voter revolution

Last edited Sat Jan 25, 2020, 10:39 AM - Edit history (1)

I have been trying to understand the concept of this voter revolution. I have repeatedly asked how does this voter revolution works and evidently no one understands how such a revolution works in the real world. Here is one of the times I asked questions about this voter revolution https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1287&pid=430371

Gothmog (78,308 posts)
64. Exactly how does sanders voter revolution work in the real world?

It is my understanding that even sanders has acknowledged that he cannot adopt his platform unless he holds rallies and this voter revolution occurs. Is this correct? How does this voter revolution work in the real world? Again as I understand this concept, so many new voters will rise up and force the GOP to be reasonable. Is this correct? How many new voters does it take to accomplish this goal and where are these voters? How will these new voters force the GOP to be reasonable when so many GOP officeholders are in gerrymandered districts? Will these new voters move to these districts in time to vote for sanders’ platform? If these new voters are real, then why are theses new voters not showing up in the polls? New voters in such large numbers so as to cause the GOP to be reasonable should show up in polling. Are these new voters waiting for something? If these new voters really exist in the real world, why has sanders not used these new voters to get some meaningful legislation passed?

I look forward to answers to these questions

If this voter revolution is the only way that sanders is going to get any part of his agenda adopted, then maybe someone should explain to the world how this revolution will work in the real world

[whistler162]

32. I don't know

I really want an angry white old male new yorker to replace the current angry white old male new yorker. That includes, except the angry, Bloomberg.<SARCASM Don't ya know>

[Gothmog]

34. I like this update

Link to tweet

[NurseJackie]

35. Many of us have been saying this all along. It's nice to finally be heard...

Many of us have been saying this all along. It's nice to finally be heard and to have confirmation and affirmation of these truths.

[Thekaspervote]

36. Indeed!!

[D23MIURG23]

37. This is a fair point, but they are wrong about there being "little advantage" to electing Bernie

Bernie might be like Trump in the over-promising and divisive sense, but there would be huge advantages to electing Bernie in other departments. Bernie isn't obviously beholden to crooks and foreign adversaries. Also, Bernie isn't pandering to white supremacists.

I'm not a Bernie supporter, and I hope he doesn't win the primary, but I would still support him over chump.

[aikoaiko]

39. NYT: We need a Democrat who will cave to Republicans when we'd like that

SMDH

[Blue_true]

44. So Warren "caves" to republicans?

The paper endorsed Warren and Klobuchar, because it views the left/centrist debate on policy important and thinks that Warren and Klobuchar best carryforward that debate.

[Cha]

50. That is Not what the "NYT Nails".

[Demsrule86]

40. Biden maybe didn't get the endorsement but he got great coverage on twitter...about the

maintenance man...he has a good heart...as for Sanders, the Times nailed it. When all is said and done...he is too divisive and will not make a good president...tired of Trump's drama...want someone with a level head like Joe as president.

[Hortensis]

41. I've come to realize this "endorsement" nails Biden, Klobuchar and

Warren as well. Klobuchar and Warren are "endorsed" primarily as a bat against Biden, but also against each other, themselves, and our entire party.

Separately and together, Warren and Klobuchar represent some of the best our party has to offer the nation, but this praise-loaded joint "endorsement" is of a two-headed candidate who doesn't exist. The "endorsement" says they're the best we have while raising questions about each and suggesting they're both regrettably inadequate in themselves.

As for their evaluation of our frontrunner and his goals, that so carefully avoids the qualities and realities of what he offers as to be a particularly blatant continuation of the sabotage the NYT is now famous for. Biden's powerful campaign theme is the need to unite to stop the rise of RW fascism and its threatened takeover, the threat and commitment to save our nation that have reassured and united most of our party behind him. But that's not mentioned.

Of course.

The NYT has been proven to have worked systematically to defeat Democrats in 2016. Not only systematically by negative coverage every day, and by hiding or avoiding covering negatives about our opponents, but even by publishing blatant lies, including directly before the election when they reported the FBI investigation into Trump-Russia had found nothing.

The NYT's executive editor, Dean Baquet, with others, has been working to build RW power ever since he was hired in 2014 and he's still in charge. That a man known to have betrayed every principle of journalism and severely damaged the NYT's reputation for integrity has not been fired says everything in itself. He and the others involved in this work are busy doing what they were hired to do.

[emmaverybo]

52. Yes, Biden from out the gate delivered a " powerful campaign theme" when it seemed no other

candidate had any. He expanded on his message in his impressive and resonant speech after El Paso. As you sum it up, Biden’s message then and now is “the need to unite to stop the rise of RW
fascism and its threatened takeover” of our democratic institutions, of our very “soul.”

Biden carries this theme forward in his foreign policy address as he warned of the rise of fascism
abroad. Again, no other candidate has so clearly identified the Trumpism threat, on a global basis,
or shown Trump’s biggest failure to be that he is antithetical to democratic ideals and values. Biden immediately took the fight to Trump at his own launch when he portrayed the horror in Charlottesville and Trump’s reaction to it.

It is a shame, and to me, derelict, that NYT is deaf not only to Biden’s qualifications, but to the
urgency and significance of his message, the very commitment you speak of so eloquently.

[Hortensis]

53. :) Yes! Well said. We know people are waking up to

what's happening on the right and the imminent danger to our democracy, presumably increasingly, but you won't hear about it in the NYT or the AP except to downplay and put away if they must.

The stunning corruption and treason of the Republicans and his work during the Obama era made Biden understand what they will do if we don't stop them. “This is not your father’s Republican Party.” After 8 years up close in the WH, though, he was also over wanting to be president.

But the Republicans were busy dismantling 238 years of democracy and destabilizing our nation and the planet, Sanders was drum-beating populist discontent with democracy from the left in synchrony with Trump's right, none of the declared candidates were discussing the huge, existential danger that would make their plans impossible for perhaps their lifetimes, "Vice President Biden" was 50 points ahead in national polling, and the race was in stasis while everyone waited to see if he would run. That was a call, and he answered it by signing up for years of unrelenting hard work.

And the NYT's spin on why Biden was running was summed up as "Why not?" Running for president was just something he does. Nothing to do with the enormous danger to our nation that their own betrayals and systematic subversion signal as frighteningly as the Republicans in the senate.

[emmaverybo]

55. Brilliant. 100000000000000000000000000000000000000000

[Fresh_Start]

42. Hell yes nt

nt

[Gothmog]

43. Why has sanders use his rallies to get support for impeachment?

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[Devil Child]

45. I doubt any supporter of Sen. Sanders will care what the NYT prints for an endorsement

I do enjoy big media editorial boards writing as if their opinions matter to the voting public.

[Cha]

49. Of course not.. but many others see the article for

its veracity.

[Gothmog]

46. Without a voter revolution sanders platform are all pipedreams

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[Cha]

56. +1

[NCProgressive]

47. They hit the hammer on the head and nailed in one blow

[Cha]

57. +1

[Cha]

48. KICK!

[evertonfc]

51. Bernie's time was 2016

That movement was real. I had Republican friends get caught up in it. I think he would have beat Trump. I'm think his ship has sailed

[OneMoreCupOfCoffee]

58. I was thinking 1931.

[oasis]

54. The 60 Trillion Dollar Revolution Will Not Be Televised.