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scheming daemons

(25,487 posts)
Tue Jan 21, 2020, 12:19 PM Jan 2020

If the 2020 election is a referendum on Trump, we will win in a landslide



But if Trump manages to make it a referendum on socialism, we will lose.


Keep that in mind when voting for a nominee.



The *ONLY* way Trump wins is if he successfully makes the election a referendum on anything but him.
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
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If the 2020 election is a referendum on Trump, we will win in a landslide (Original Post) scheming daemons Jan 2020 OP
It'll be a referendum on corruption. redqueen Jan 2020 #1
Fernand Amandi is a very good pollster and I trust his views Gothmog Jan 2020 #2
Wrong melman Jan 2020 #3
Most elections are a referendum on the incumbent.... if this one is, we will win - BIG. scheming daemons Jan 2020 #4
This is not a choice election squirecam Jan 2020 #6
MSNBC just quoted poll Bayard Jan 2020 #5
All Presidential elections are referendums on the economy Algernon Moncrieff Jan 2020 #7
 

redqueen

(115,186 posts)
1. It'll be a referendum on corruption.
Tue Jan 21, 2020, 12:27 PM
Jan 2020

Here's how I see it playing out. He'll walk on impeachment, and sell that as exoneration and accuse Dems of unfair prosecution.

He'll respond to attacks on his record with the usual lies and bluster, and counter with smears about how 'corrupt' our candidate is, claiming we are attacking him for things we actually do. He'll hammer on hypocrisy and bothsideism and count on utter disgust to dampen turnout. There is nothing he won't use to smear our candidate, whether factual or not.

Remember, most voters aren't that clued in. The media - for the most part - can be trusted to portray the back and forth in a way that casts Trump as a victim or even as if he's correct. They get ratings and revenue having him in office.

Not looking forward to seeing how this all plays out.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Gothmog

(182,072 posts)
2. Fernand Amandi is a very good pollster and I trust his views
Tue Jan 21, 2020, 12:28 PM
Jan 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

melman

(7,681 posts)
3. Wrong
Tue Jan 21, 2020, 12:29 PM
Jan 2020

Making it solely about Trump would be a terrible mistake.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

scheming daemons

(25,487 posts)
4. Most elections are a referendum on the incumbent.... if this one is, we will win - BIG.
Tue Jan 21, 2020, 12:39 PM
Jan 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

squirecam

(2,706 posts)
6. This is not a choice election
Tue Jan 21, 2020, 02:38 PM
Jan 2020

All second elections are a referendum on the incumbent. And they find him largely unacceptable.

It only becomes a choice if the democratic nominee is also largely unacceptable.

Biden is not unacceptable.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Bayard

(30,283 posts)
5. MSNBC just quoted poll
Tue Jan 21, 2020, 01:02 PM
Jan 2020

It says 70% of Americans not only want tRump impeached, they want him removed from office. I don't think that 70% is going to forgive an acquittal.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Algernon Moncrieff

(5,961 posts)
7. All Presidential elections are referendums on the economy
Tue Jan 21, 2020, 03:37 PM
Jan 2020

That's super simplistic, but true.

Farmers care whether he will get the EPA off their backs and improve their prospects of exporting crops and meat to places like China. West Virginians know their state is dirt poor, and want to know how ending coal mining and fracking for gas possibly helps that. Small business owners don't see the benefits of having to pay a $15 minimum wage. People in towns where the manufacturing left back in the 80s, or the 90s, or the early 2000s want to know how globalization benefited them. A generation is saddled with student loan debt that is crippling. The government is spending at huge deficits in a time of relative prosperity - why?

We need to make this about solving the problems typical Americans face. We need to make this about delivering better outcomes with smarter and more honest leadership.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided

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