Democratic Primaries
Related: About this forumHillary Clinton Won't Commit to Helping Bernie Sanders Win in 2020
Former secretary of state claims "nobody likes" Vermont senator, currently a leading presidential Democratic candidate and the most popular elected politician in the country.CNN political analyst Chris Cillizza argued Clinton's attack was actually "great news for" Sanders:
Sanders is running this 2020 presidential campaign (as he did the 2016 campaign) on a simple premise: the powerful have been sitting comfortably for way too long and it's time to shake things up. Sanders was vilifying the elites and the political establishment (of both parties) long before Donald Trump even started considering running for president.
This is who Sanders is; it's who he has always been. It's at the core of why people support him and why he has been able to build a movement around his back-to-back presidential candidacies.
Guess who, for lots and lots of Sanders supporters (and even other Democrats who don't support him) epitomizes that elite establishment? The Clintons!
While the Sanders campaign had yet to respond to Clinton's comments, Cillizza recommended Sanders should send her "a thank you note for the well-timed attack."
Jewish Currents news editor David Klion tweeted that the interview was another indication of the lasting legacy of Clinton and her husband, Bill Clinton, the 43rd president.
"Start to finish, one of the most selfish, petty, nihilistic, counterproductive careers in American political history," said Klion. "Every time they open their mouths it makes things worse. History will not remember the Clintons fondly."
https://www.commondreams.org/news/2020/01/21/inexcusable-hillary-clinton-who-lost-trump-2016-wont-commit-helping-bernie-sanders
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
still_one
(91,937 posts)to vote for the Democratic nominee
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
wyldwolf
(43,865 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Old Crow
(2,212 posts)I just did a Google search on the phrase "It isn't my job to convince people to vote for the Democratic nominee" and got nothing.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
squirecam
(2,706 posts)https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/bernie-sanders-told-supporters-hed-never-tell-them-how-to-vote/
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
still_one
(91,937 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Old Crow
(2,212 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
still_one
(91,937 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
beastie boy
(9,056 posts)On edit: oh man, am I slow!
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Uncle Joe
(58,107 posts)Thanks for the thread billpolonsky.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
rzemanfl
(29,540 posts)of your stay.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Squinch
(50,773 posts)Mine are all clean and I need something to do.
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rzemanfl
(29,540 posts)Remind me when it gets warm and I will send a flat-rate box.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Squinch
(50,773 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
cstanleytech
(26,080 posts)candidate to pick?
If that is the case then I am fine with that providing she will help should Bernie win the nomination.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,110 posts)Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together & can't be bought!!
Jump on the Bernie Bandwagon & join the revolution!!
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
cstanleytech
(26,080 posts)the alternative is Trump and that is something our country cannot survive four more years of.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
FarPoint
(12,206 posts)Just looking ahead...
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,110 posts)Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together & can't be bought!!
Jump on the Bernie Bandwagon & join the revolution!!
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
beastie boy
(9,056 posts)If it did, my decision to turn to CNN at a later date would have been an attack. Or reserving judgement on Cillizza's professional competence for a later date would have been an attack.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
delisen
(6,039 posts)Would you like to acknowledge that Clinton was referring to Sanders peers in the Congress and not the general population?
I think it is important for our party and our democracy to not take what anyone has said out of context and thus misrepresent.
If we do not stand for honesty, we become propagandists.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,110 posts)Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together & can't be bought!!
Jump on the Bernie Bandwagon & join the revolution!!
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)With his record cash haul, and the amount of dark money he's pulling in, one would expect that as an established career politician, he'd be doing much better by now.
(Sorry, my mistake. This should help... "HE'd bE DOinG muCh BeTter by nOw."
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)primary that might benefit his candidacy in any way.
He's not only unwilling (and proudly so) to represent the liberal Democratic Party's principles and goals, but a Sanders nomination is the Republicans' wet dream, Putin's scheme, and Trump's personal best chance of furthering an imperial presidency instead of legal and financial ruin as a private citizen.
"I am not now, nor have I ever been, a liberal Democrat." Bernie Sanders
Even though I'm quite sure his contempt indicates he can't understand what it means to be a liberal Democrat, as a lifelong liberal Democrat I both believe and agree with him.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Hav
(5,969 posts)So much butthurt cramped into pretty much every sentence. Witnessing such a level of bitterness is actually remarkable. You can really imagine the writer hammering down the words on the keyboard, getting angrier with every sentence.
I think Hillary hit a home run with her remarks.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
quickesst
(6,280 posts)"Start to finish, one of the most selfish, petty, nihilistic, counterproductive careers in American political history," said Klion. "Every time they open their mouths it makes things worse. History will not remember the Clintons fondly."
This is one hell of an anti-democratic rant.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
The Valley Below
(1,701 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
quickesst
(6,280 posts)....and they are becoming more frequent. From 2016 to 2020, some things never change.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
mudstump
(342 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,110 posts)Last edited Thu Jan 23, 2020, 10:38 AM - Edit history (1)
Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together & can't be bought!!
Jump on the Bernie Bandwagon & join the revolution!!
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
MrsCoffee
(5,801 posts)Thank you Hillary!!
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
StevieM
(10,499 posts)Bill Clinton won an election that allowed us to partially turn away from the Reagan Revolution. Without his win in 1992 I think our country would look very different today.
As for her career being selfish, it's funny how she didn't have that reputation when she was on the job. And what does it even mean to say that someone's career is selfish or petty. It is just name calling by hateful people.
Also, just for the record, Bill Clinton was the 42nd president, not the 43rd.
I do agree that every time they open their mouths it tends to lead to more condemnations of them, because we are at a stage where whatever one of them says will be condemned as somehow being immoral or dishonorable. The media will always find a way to twist their words into something worthy of being condemned. It's like we are trapped in those 5 days between Iowa and New Hampshire in 2008.
As a general rule, when pundits and politicians are screaming that history will condemn someone, it is usually because they are desperate to achieve the personal satisfaction that they derive from making that proclamation.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
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Mike Nelson
(9,903 posts)... great story! Bernie should hire this analyst! I do think that Hillary said she would commit - maybe she's acting like Bernie? I do think she'd come around sooner than he did, though...
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
delisen
(6,039 posts)I had remembered common dreams from about 10 years before that and was stunned to see what they had evolved into. It was Russia propaganda. No mention of human rights abuses in Russia. Lots of nasty anti-Democratic Party screed and of course anti-H Clinton.
In December 2016 it was one of the sites mentioned in the Washington Post article about sites which had been infiltrated by Russian propaganda. Common Dreams went ballistic and denied denied denied, and attacked the Washington Post. they also scrubbed a lot of garbage off their site.
Now its election 2020 and as we have been warned Russia has reved up its propaganda machine.
I have personally lost patience with the self-styled intelligensia, including large numbers of academics who refer to "the working class" as though we are economic units without permission to think for ourselves. The attitude goes hand in hand with concerted attempts to drive woman out of the public sphere (unless they are willing to bow to the patriarchal hierarchy). A lot of people talk about being "socialists" and preach socialism but so many just talk and live their personal lives like capitalists.
. Among the most obnoxious are the trust funders from Ivy League universities or expensive little finishing school colleges. They risk nothing themselves and many eventually settle into the gentrifying lifestyle, and stock-option employment, or write shallow books and keep the profits for themselves. In later years they chuckle about their days as youthful firebrands.
Katrina Vanden Heuval comes to mind or the old Paris Review editor, George Plimpton, who kept the secret that the magazine was supported by the CIA. When I see a publication that touches on the political I always ask myself two questions -how rich is the editor and where is the money coming from.
There are many exceptions of course but too many have bought into academic or coffee house socialism and basically "otherize" those who they refer to as "the workers" or "the masses." Misogyny is rampant.
I dumped salon when they started promoting the misogynist H.A. Goodman (big H Clinton hater, Bernie supporter in 2016 who managed to move seamlessly on to Trump.
This is not how democracy is built. It is not how we achieve equality.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Demsrule86
(68,347 posts)his BASE herself after the primary. Nor did he help her much in the General IMHO.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
MrsCoffee
(5,801 posts)What a stupid fucking hateful article. Clinton Derangement Syndromes Exhibit A.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Wawannabe
(5,580 posts)I have been holding myself back. Might alert based on the history not kind to Clintons bullshit. Should not be allowed.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Demsrule86
(68,347 posts)She is always a target.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Gothmog
(143,998 posts)I suspect that Clinton will work hard to make sure that the nominee is not a weak candidate like sanders but Hillary is a real Democrat and will support the nominee of the party
Link to tweet
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Demsrule86
(68,347 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
oasis
(49,150 posts)and then, call it a day.
"Good luck, y'all"
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden