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billpolonsky

(270 posts)
Tue Jan 21, 2020, 07:29 PM Jan 2020

Hillary Clinton Won't Commit to Helping Bernie Sanders Win in 2020

Former secretary of state claims "nobody likes" Vermont senator, currently a leading presidential Democratic candidate and the most popular elected politician in the country.

CNN political analyst Chris Cillizza argued Clinton's attack was actually "great news for" Sanders:

Sanders is running this 2020 presidential campaign (as he did the 2016 campaign) on a simple premise: the powerful have been sitting comfortably for way too long and it's time to shake things up. Sanders was vilifying the elites and the political establishment (of both parties) long before Donald Trump even started considering running for president.

This is who Sanders is; it's who he has always been. It's at the core of why people support him and why he has been able to build a movement around his back-to-back presidential candidacies.

Guess who, for lots and lots of Sanders supporters (and even other Democrats who don't support him) epitomizes that elite establishment? The Clintons!

While the Sanders campaign had yet to respond to Clinton's comments, Cillizza recommended Sanders should send her "a thank you note for the well-timed attack."

Jewish Currents news editor David Klion tweeted that the interview was another indication of the lasting legacy of Clinton and her husband, Bill Clinton, the 43rd president.

"Start to finish, one of the most selfish, petty, nihilistic, counterproductive careers in American political history," said Klion. "Every time they open their mouths it makes things worse. History will not remember the Clintons fondly."


https://www.commondreams.org/news/2020/01/21/inexcusable-hillary-clinton-who-lost-trump-2016-wont-commit-helping-bernie-sanders
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Hillary Clinton Won't Commit to Helping Bernie Sanders Win in 2020 (Original Post) billpolonsky Jan 2020 OP
I seem to recall in the last general election someone saying it wasn't his job to convince people still_one Jan 2020 #1
hmmm... wonder who that was.... wyldwolf Jan 2020 #2
Who said that? (Serious, non-snarky question; I don't know) Old Crow Jan 2020 #7
Something similar squirecam Jan 2020 #12
Thanks, you beat me to the snopes link still_one Jan 2020 #15
Thanks; I appreciate it (N/T) Old Crow Jan 2020 #17
........ still_one Jan 2020 #14
I believe the reference is to this: beastie boy Jan 2020 #20
Kicked and recommended Uncle Joe Jan 2020 #3
Gotta wash socks. Enjoy the rest rzemanfl Jan 2020 #4
Funny. I just thought, "I wonder if rzemanfl needs any help washing his socks," Squinch Jan 2020 #6
Cold here now and I need them. rzemanfl Jan 2020 #9
OK. Maybe I'll knit you something instead. Squinch Jan 2020 #11
.....😁 rzemanfl Jan 2020 #19
Perhaps she is saying this currently so as to not unduly influence the voters on which Democratic cstanleytech Jan 2020 #5
The Boundless Bernie Bashing Backlash ALWAYS helps...it splains Bernie's recent surge in the polls!! InAbLuEsTaTe Jan 2020 #27
To be honest I do not care what Democrat wins the nomination as I intend to fully support them as cstanleytech Jan 2020 #42
Makes me wonder if Barack Obama will help? FarPoint Jan 2020 #8
Help Bernie... yes!! InAbLuEsTaTe Jan 2020 #28
I don't think "attack" means what Cillizza thinks it means beastie boy Jan 2020 #10
Common Dreams is misrepresenting what Clinton said about liking Sanders delisen Jan 2020 #13
Either way, the Boundless Bernie Bashing Backlash is why Bernie's surgin, so I hope it keeps up!! InAbLuEsTaTe Jan 2020 #29
Another surge, eh? How many is this... like, 55 or so? LanternWaste Jan 2020 #32
Hillary is too sensible and principled to do anything during the Hortensis Jan 2020 #16
That article is a gem Hav Jan 2020 #18
damn! quickesst Jan 2020 #21
Every time I read that rant I assume it is about some else. IYKWIM? The Valley Below Jan 2020 #24
same here.... quickesst Jan 2020 #25
So much for unity. mudstump Jan 2020 #22
Were you expecting something different?! InAbLuEsTaTe Jan 2020 #33
Gotta love a strong woman not afraid to speak her mind!!! MrsCoffee Jan 2020 #35
I suspect that history will be very kind to the Clintons, assuming our democracy manages to survive. StevieM Jan 2020 #23
Post removed Post removed Jan 2020 #34
Wow... Mike Nelson Jan 2020 #26
In Election 2016 had tons of anti-Clinton pro-russia articles and posts delisen Jan 2020 #30
I don't recall such anguish when Sanders said Clinton had to win the support of Demsrule86 Jan 2020 #31
It would just be returning the favor. MrsCoffee Jan 2020 #36
Great comment Wawannabe Jan 2020 #38
+1000 Demsrule86 Jan 2020 #40
The claim in the OP is a false-Hillary Clinton is a real Democrat and will support the nominee Gothmog Jan 2020 #37
Did she say it was his job to win over her supporters from last years General? Demsrule86 Jan 2020 #39
If I were Hillary I'd record a couple of nice things about Bernie, oasis Jan 2020 #41
 

still_one

(91,937 posts)
1. I seem to recall in the last general election someone saying it wasn't his job to convince people
Tue Jan 21, 2020, 07:31 PM
Jan 2020

to vote for the Democratic nominee

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wyldwolf

(43,865 posts)
2. hmmm... wonder who that was....
Tue Jan 21, 2020, 07:32 PM
Jan 2020
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Old Crow

(2,212 posts)
7. Who said that? (Serious, non-snarky question; I don't know)
Tue Jan 21, 2020, 07:38 PM
Jan 2020

I just did a Google search on the phrase "It isn't my job to convince people to vote for the Democratic nominee" and got nothing.

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still_one

(91,937 posts)
15. Thanks, you beat me to the snopes link
Tue Jan 21, 2020, 07:55 PM
Jan 2020
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Old Crow

(2,212 posts)
17. Thanks; I appreciate it (N/T)
Tue Jan 21, 2020, 08:00 PM
Jan 2020
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Uncle Joe

(58,107 posts)
3. Kicked and recommended
Tue Jan 21, 2020, 07:35 PM
Jan 2020

Thanks for the thread billpolonsky.

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rzemanfl

(29,540 posts)
4. Gotta wash socks. Enjoy the rest
Tue Jan 21, 2020, 07:35 PM
Jan 2020

of your stay.

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Squinch

(50,773 posts)
6. Funny. I just thought, "I wonder if rzemanfl needs any help washing his socks,"
Tue Jan 21, 2020, 07:38 PM
Jan 2020

Mine are all clean and I need something to do.

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rzemanfl

(29,540 posts)
9. Cold here now and I need them.
Tue Jan 21, 2020, 07:42 PM
Jan 2020

Remind me when it gets warm and I will send a flat-rate box.

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Squinch

(50,773 posts)
11. OK. Maybe I'll knit you something instead.
Tue Jan 21, 2020, 07:45 PM
Jan 2020
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cstanleytech

(26,080 posts)
5. Perhaps she is saying this currently so as to not unduly influence the voters on which Democratic
Tue Jan 21, 2020, 07:36 PM
Jan 2020

candidate to pick?
If that is the case then I am fine with that providing she will help should Bernie win the nomination.

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InAbLuEsTaTe

(24,110 posts)
27. The Boundless Bernie Bashing Backlash ALWAYS helps...it splains Bernie's recent surge in the polls!!
Thu Jan 23, 2020, 07:48 AM
Jan 2020

Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together & can't be bought!!
Jump on the Bernie Bandwagon & join the revolution!!
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Undecided
 

cstanleytech

(26,080 posts)
42. To be honest I do not care what Democrat wins the nomination as I intend to fully support them as
Thu Jan 23, 2020, 04:49 PM
Jan 2020

the alternative is Trump and that is something our country cannot survive four more years of.

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FarPoint

(12,206 posts)
8. Makes me wonder if Barack Obama will help?
Tue Jan 21, 2020, 07:40 PM
Jan 2020

Just looking ahead...

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InAbLuEsTaTe

(24,110 posts)
28. Help Bernie... yes!!
Thu Jan 23, 2020, 07:49 AM
Jan 2020

Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together & can't be bought!!
Jump on the Bernie Bandwagon & join the revolution!!
If I were to vote in a presidential
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Undecided
 

beastie boy

(9,056 posts)
10. I don't think "attack" means what Cillizza thinks it means
Tue Jan 21, 2020, 07:43 PM
Jan 2020

If it did, my decision to turn to CNN at a later date would have been an attack. Or reserving judgement on Cillizza's professional competence for a later date would have been an attack.

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delisen

(6,039 posts)
13. Common Dreams is misrepresenting what Clinton said about liking Sanders
Tue Jan 21, 2020, 07:51 PM
Jan 2020

Would you like to acknowledge that Clinton was referring to Sanders peers in the Congress and not the general population?

I think it is important for our party and our democracy to not take what anyone has said out of context and thus misrepresent.

If we do not stand for honesty, we become propagandists.

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InAbLuEsTaTe

(24,110 posts)
29. Either way, the Boundless Bernie Bashing Backlash is why Bernie's surgin, so I hope it keeps up!!
Thu Jan 23, 2020, 07:56 AM
Jan 2020

Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together & can't be bought!!
Jump on the Bernie Bandwagon & join the revolution!!
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
32. Another surge, eh? How many is this... like, 55 or so?
Thu Jan 23, 2020, 09:56 AM
Jan 2020

With his record cash haul, and the amount of dark money he's pulling in, one would expect that as an established career politician, he'd be doing much better by now.



(Sorry, my mistake. This should help... "HE'd bE DOinG muCh BeTter by nOw.&quot

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Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
16. Hillary is too sensible and principled to do anything during the
Tue Jan 21, 2020, 07:55 PM
Jan 2020

primary that might benefit his candidacy in any way.

He's not only unwilling (and proudly so) to represent the liberal Democratic Party's principles and goals, but a Sanders nomination is the Republicans' wet dream, Putin's scheme, and Trump's personal best chance of furthering an imperial presidency instead of legal and financial ruin as a private citizen.

"I am not now, nor have I ever been, a liberal Democrat." Bernie Sanders

Even though I'm quite sure his contempt indicates he can't understand what it means to be a liberal Democrat, as a lifelong liberal Democrat I both believe and agree with him.
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Hav

(5,969 posts)
18. That article is a gem
Tue Jan 21, 2020, 08:07 PM
Jan 2020

So much butthurt cramped into pretty much every sentence. Witnessing such a level of bitterness is actually remarkable. You can really imagine the writer hammering down the words on the keyboard, getting angrier with every sentence.

I think Hillary hit a home run with her remarks.

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quickesst

(6,280 posts)
21. damn!
Tue Jan 21, 2020, 08:22 PM
Jan 2020

"Start to finish, one of the most selfish, petty, nihilistic, counterproductive careers in American political history," said Klion. "Every time they open their mouths it makes things worse. History will not remember the Clintons fondly."

This is one hell of an anti-democratic rant.

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The Valley Below

(1,701 posts)
24. Every time I read that rant I assume it is about some else. IYKWIM?
Thu Jan 23, 2020, 01:11 AM
Jan 2020
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quickesst

(6,280 posts)
25. same here....
Thu Jan 23, 2020, 04:43 AM
Jan 2020

....and they are becoming more frequent. From 2016 to 2020, some things never change.

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InAbLuEsTaTe

(24,110 posts)
33. Were you expecting something different?!
Thu Jan 23, 2020, 09:58 AM
Jan 2020

Last edited Thu Jan 23, 2020, 10:38 AM - Edit history (1)


Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together & can't be bought!!
Jump on the Bernie Bandwagon & join the revolution!!
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

MrsCoffee

(5,801 posts)
35. Gotta love a strong woman not afraid to speak her mind!!!
Thu Jan 23, 2020, 10:33 AM
Jan 2020

Thank you Hillary!!

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StevieM

(10,499 posts)
23. I suspect that history will be very kind to the Clintons, assuming our democracy manages to survive.
Thu Jan 23, 2020, 01:07 AM
Jan 2020

Bill Clinton won an election that allowed us to partially turn away from the Reagan Revolution. Without his win in 1992 I think our country would look very different today.

As for her career being selfish, it's funny how she didn't have that reputation when she was on the job. And what does it even mean to say that someone's career is selfish or petty. It is just name calling by hateful people.

Also, just for the record, Bill Clinton was the 42nd president, not the 43rd.

I do agree that every time they open their mouths it tends to lead to more condemnations of them, because we are at a stage where whatever one of them says will be condemned as somehow being immoral or dishonorable. The media will always find a way to twist their words into something worthy of being condemned. It's like we are trapped in those 5 days between Iowa and New Hampshire in 2008.

As a general rule, when pundits and politicians are screaming that history will condemn someone, it is usually because they are desperate to achieve the personal satisfaction that they derive from making that proclamation.

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Mike Nelson

(9,903 posts)
26. Wow...
Thu Jan 23, 2020, 06:21 AM
Jan 2020

... great story! Bernie should hire this analyst! I do think that Hillary said she would commit - maybe she's acting like Bernie? I do think she'd come around sooner than he did, though...

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delisen

(6,039 posts)
30. In Election 2016 had tons of anti-Clinton pro-russia articles and posts
Thu Jan 23, 2020, 08:39 AM
Jan 2020

I had remembered common dreams from about 10 years before that and was stunned to see what they had evolved into. It was Russia propaganda. No mention of human rights abuses in Russia. Lots of nasty anti-Democratic Party screed and of course anti-H Clinton.

In December 2016 it was one of the sites mentioned in the Washington Post article about sites which had been infiltrated by Russian propaganda. Common Dreams went ballistic and denied denied denied, and attacked the Washington Post. they also scrubbed a lot of garbage off their site.

Now its election 2020 and as we have been warned Russia has reved up its propaganda machine.

I have personally lost patience with the self-styled intelligensia, including large numbers of academics who refer to "the working class" as though we are economic units without permission to think for ourselves. The attitude goes hand in hand with concerted attempts to drive woman out of the public sphere (unless they are willing to bow to the patriarchal hierarchy). A lot of people talk about being "socialists" and preach socialism but so many just talk and live their personal lives like capitalists.

. Among the most obnoxious are the trust funders from Ivy League universities or expensive little finishing school colleges. They risk nothing themselves and many eventually settle into the gentrifying lifestyle, and stock-option employment, or write shallow books and keep the profits for themselves. In later years they chuckle about their days as youthful firebrands.

Katrina Vanden Heuval comes to mind or the old Paris Review editor, George Plimpton, who kept the secret that the magazine was supported by the CIA. When I see a publication that touches on the political I always ask myself two questions -how rich is the editor and where is the money coming from.

There are many exceptions of course but too many have bought into academic or coffee house socialism and basically "otherize" those who they refer to as "the workers" or "the masses." Misogyny is rampant.

I dumped salon when they started promoting the misogynist H.A. Goodman (big H Clinton hater, Bernie supporter in 2016 who managed to move seamlessly on to Trump.

This is not how democracy is built. It is not how we achieve equality.

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Demsrule86

(68,347 posts)
31. I don't recall such anguish when Sanders said Clinton had to win the support of
Thu Jan 23, 2020, 08:55 AM
Jan 2020

his BASE herself after the primary. Nor did he help her much in the General IMHO.

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MrsCoffee

(5,801 posts)
36. It would just be returning the favor.
Thu Jan 23, 2020, 10:34 AM
Jan 2020

What a stupid fucking hateful article. Clinton Derangement Syndromes Exhibit A.

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Wawannabe

(5,580 posts)
38. Great comment
Thu Jan 23, 2020, 11:32 AM
Jan 2020

I have been holding myself back. Might alert based on the history not kind to Clintons bullshit. Should not be allowed.

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Demsrule86

(68,347 posts)
40. +1000
Thu Jan 23, 2020, 11:35 AM
Jan 2020

She is always a target.

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Gothmog

(143,998 posts)
37. The claim in the OP is a false-Hillary Clinton is a real Democrat and will support the nominee
Thu Jan 23, 2020, 10:58 AM
Jan 2020

I suspect that Clinton will work hard to make sure that the nominee is not a weak candidate like sanders but Hillary is a real Democrat and will support the nominee of the party


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Demsrule86

(68,347 posts)
39. Did she say it was his job to win over her supporters from last years General?
Thu Jan 23, 2020, 11:34 AM
Jan 2020
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oasis

(49,150 posts)
41. If I were Hillary I'd record a couple of nice things about Bernie,
Thu Jan 23, 2020, 12:57 PM
Jan 2020

and then, call it a day.

"Good luck, y'all"

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