Democratic Primaries
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InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,122 posts)Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together & can't be bought!!
Jump on the Bernie Bandwagon & join the revolution!!
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
BuffaloJackalope
(818 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
ismnotwasm
(41,967 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
LiberalLovinLug
(14,165 posts)Asked if she'd support the eventual winner, if it is Sanders: "I'm not going to go there yet."
She claimed that she had finally spoken the unvarnished truth. And chided those she said had criticized her in the past for not doing so. She still resents him, does not like the man, and will not commit to voting Democratic if he wins. (No matter that he endorsed and joined her in 39 rallies after the last DNC.)
The next day: "as I always have, I will do whatever I can to support our nominee."
The real question is, if the first one was the one she claimed was the "unvarnished truth", how can her follow up be that as well?
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
ismnotwasm
(41,967 posts)That wasnt backpedaling, especially given the context of the original statement. People crack me up.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
LiberalLovinLug
(14,165 posts)That our former Presidential candidate says that not committing to vote Democratic in November is the "unvarnished truth"
And that you find it humorous that some might be uncomfortable with that. Based on the fact that she still has a lot of sway with a lot of Democratic voters (and ex-voters if Sanders wins?). Even with her scrambled knee-jerk response after getting criticism from fellow Democrats.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)Nor did she even state that she would not vote for Bernie, if that scenario should come to pass.
If you need to falsify what she said to make your point, then perhaps your point needs to be re-evaluated.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
LiberalLovinLug
(14,165 posts)Asked by the Hollywood Reporter if she would endorse Sanders should he win the primary this year, Clinton refused to commit, saying: Im not going to go there yet.
In that scenario, voting for Sanders would be one and the same as voting Democratic.
How can you possibly read it any other way?
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)Last edited Sat Jan 25, 2020, 06:37 PM - Edit history (2)
Conveniently you choose to ignore this, which is the actual OP....:
Confirmation bias does not evidence make. No matter how much you reeeallllly think it's true.
Pro tip: if one says 'Look, I'm not going to get into it with you" then proceeds to get into it, especially if one disproves one's own point, that doesn't bolster the credibility of one's posts. Also, starting a statement with "Look," in a discussion is a giveaway for being irritated.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
LiberalLovinLug
(14,165 posts)She did not say "vote" she said "endorse".
But don't you think that if she refused to endorse the winner, it would have a depressing turnout for many Democrats? To suggest she is not committed to endorsing the winner, IF its the one she doesn't like, is fine? When you know that that question would not even be asked of her if Biden was soaring right now. And if it ever was asked, in that instance, she would rightly look at that reporter as a nutcase for even asking.
And saying she is not going to go there, not answer the question now, is appropriate because she added "yet"? "Yet" could also be interpreted as "I'm not going to answer that yet, until I know for sure who is the winner"
Your second statement is part of her reaction answer a few days later, after feeling the pressure for her unvarnished truthful answer. A few days too late, imo.
And another wrong I am admitting. (You are on a roll here ehrnst.) I should have said "Look, I don't WANT to get into it with you" I feel I must again now if only to admit my mistakes and clear the record. Another thing you're are right about; I was irritated. Unlike yourself, I don't find it all that funny.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)she said. "If she refused to support the candidate..."
How much time did it take for Bernie to 'clarify' after his own refusal to commit to supporting the winner if it wasn't him?
Months?
Unlike yourself, I understand the difference between expressing bemusement at someone twisting themselves into pretzels to avoid the facts that don't confirm their bias when confronted with those biases, and "finding something funny."
There are a limited number of DU smilies. If you find "chuckle" to be frivolous and offensive, perhaps you would prefer I used instead?
I'll keep that in mind for next time.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Bev54
(10,039 posts)That a Bernie supporter is lecturing others about supporting the eventual nominee. What bloody hypocrisy!
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
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ehrnst
(32,640 posts)Sure...
But... if Hillary was to start any endorsement of Sanders a hypothetical Sanders victory - which you have, in this very thread continued to discuss - with a recitation the number of pledged delegates that she got, and then continued to tell the press when asked about the nominee, "Well, we just can't have a Trump victory," would you consider that to be an enthusiastic endorsement?
Or would you be irritated?
Honestly, now.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)So those are going to hear whatever confirms that image for them, however false.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)he refused to commit to it?
http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2019/06/bernie-sanders-2016-rigged-wont-pledge-support-winner.html
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(296,875 posts)"back peddling" as you assert.
No Worries.. Hillary is a TEAM Player.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
lapucelle
(18,190 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(296,875 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
brutus smith
(685 posts)Oh wait, I will. You're no longer relevant. You already lost 1 election for us we don't need you to lose another.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,122 posts)Unfortunately, the genie is out of the bottle.
Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together & can't be bought!!
Jump on the Bernie Bandwagon & join the revolution!!
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
StevieM
(10,500 posts)She didn't say she might not support him if he is the nominee. And she has repeatedly made it clear that she will support whoever the nominee is.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)That "genie was out of the bottle" last July!!!!!
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
MrsCoffee
(5,801 posts)It took TREASON to keep her out of office.
And she will always be relevant. Much more so than Bernie.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
pazzyanne
(6,544 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
brutus smith
(685 posts)She should have directed her comments at trump. Taking aim at 1 Democratic candidate is not a good thing no matter who your choice is.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
MrsCoffee
(5,801 posts)He did not win shit.
And she should do whatever the fuck she wants. She has directed more words, comments, speeches and WARNINGS about Trump for the last five fucking years than anyone else has. She was right about all of it.
She is right to sound the bells again.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Pacifist Patriot
(24,653 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
BannonsLiver
(16,313 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Hav
(5,969 posts)Because she voiced her opinion in the context of a documentary? Because it's relevant for current events? Because she doesn't need your permission to talk?
A certain other candidate takes plenty of aim against the other candidates. Why don't you tell him to direct his attacks at Trump and not against Democrats and the Democratic Party?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)A term often used by men to describe a woman or child that is out of line, or not deferential enough.
See also: mouthy.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
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SharonAnn
(13,771 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
still_one
(92,061 posts)to vote for the Democratic nominee, because there was no difference
In those critical swing states the Democratic nominee lost by less then 1%. Jill Stein received 1% of the vote in those states, and there is one campaign who has hired people who voted for Jill Stein
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
thesquanderer
(11,972 posts)...rather than for someone else or even just staying home. There are lots of reason HRC lost, and the Susan Sarandons et al are among the less significant ones. Here are some contributing factors that had nothing to do with Sanders or Stein...
russian hacking/interference in the campaign
email scandal (where even though she was found to have done nothing illegal, it still got a lot of air time, and still ended up concluding that she had handled things poorly, playing into the poor judgment attack)
comey bringing emails back to the forefront the week before the election
uninspired VP choice (he may have well been an excellent VP, but I doubt he got her so much as a single additional state, and his lackluster debate performance didn't help)
not spending enough time and resources in the rust belt (and/or Trump putting in more)
...people who would never vote for a woman (misogyny)
people who would vote for a woman, but would never vote for Hillary (baggage/high negatives)
she was an "establishment" candidate in a year where many people of both parties (or neither) were more drawn to outsiders
Sure, the Sanders campaign scored some hits. Every primary competitor does. Hillary scored some hits on Obama in 2008, too. That's the nature of primaries. If you can't stand the heat, you don't belong in the kitchen.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
brutus smith
(685 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
still_one
(92,061 posts)duped by the likes of David Sirota, Nina Turner, Briahna Joy Gray, Cornel West, and other prominent people who dissuaded not to vote for the Democratic nominee by either voting third party or not voting
It absolutely contribute to what happened
The Democratic nominee was ahead by 5 points before Comey came out 11 days before the election, and the said that the email investigation was reopened. That was a LIE, but and the media gladly propagated it. Several days later that 5 point lead was completely erased to even.
It didn't take many in those critical swing states to "protest" their vote by either voting third party or NOT voting, and their wonderful actions also helped pave the way for the perfect storm.
Every Democratic Senator running in those critical swing states lost to the incumbent, establishment, republican, and those Democrats were progressive by any standard.
My point being is that every little bit helped elect trump.
What is sad is that one of the Democratic candidates has hired some of the same people who not only voted for Jill Stein, but spread lies and disinformation
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
questionseverything
(9,645 posts)Obama got 98% hc got 88%
that point gets missed repeatedly
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
BlueWI
(1,736 posts)Winning a majority of black support among primary voters in Southern states gave the campaign a false confidence this reliably Democratic constituency was locked up for the GE. This is a lesson for Biden - don't take black voters for granted, anywhere in the country! The drop-off in support for the ticket in Michigan and Milwaukee hurt the party far more than the so-called Green defections.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
questionseverything
(9,645 posts)same ballots voted for dems in other races
people want to be courted
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)That point gets ignored repeatedly.
About white Obama voters switching to Trump...
A new study reveals the real reason Obama voters switched to Trump
Hint: It has to do with race.
One reason is that Obamas second term featured a significant amount of racial conflict. The Black Lives Matter movement was founded in 2013. The 2014 killing of Michael Brown in Ferguson, and subsequent week of protest and unrest, kicked off a massive and racially polarizing national debate over police violence against African Americans.
A second reason is that Obamas very presence in office was racially polarizing. Michael Tesler, a scholar at the University of California-Irvine, has documented in detail how Obamas very presence in the White House polarized America along racial lines. It would make sense that this effect would grow stronger the longer Obama was in office, setting the stage for a major backlash in his final year.
Third, and arguably most importantly, the two candidates turned the election into a kind of referendum on American race relations. Trump kicked off his campaign by calling Mexican immigrants rapists and vowing to build a wall between the US and Mexico. He vowed to ban Muslims, and described black life in America as a hellscape of violence and poverty. Mitt Romneys 2012 campaign was not nearly so overt, which means it was less likely to attract voters who held latent racist and anti-immigrant attitudes.
Clinton, for her part, positioned herself as a champion of racial justice. While Obamas rhetoric on race was typically post-racial, positioning the country as more united than divided, Clinton got out front on issues like police violence and immigration. There are plenty of valid reasons for this Clinton was more worried about failing to turn out minority voters, Obama was more worried about alienating skittish whites, and there was no way to respond to Trumps campaign without tackling race head-on.
I hope that clarifies some things for you about comparing HRC and Obama's electoral results among whites.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
getagrip_already
(14,647 posts)supporters of a certain candidate who didn't like the truth.
Truth can be hard to hear. But it usually needs to be said when there is a lot at stake.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)She was being honest.
Not "taking aim" with false statements.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)by larger margin than Hillary won in the popular vote in the GE.
Or does the term "spouting off" only apply to female candidates?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)and gets cheers for speaking truth to power...
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
rockfordfile
(8,699 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
lapucelle
(18,190 posts)The interview was filmed last year before the big BS announcement, so she neither "sprouted off" nor "took aim at" any candidate running as a Democrat in the presidential primary.
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The documentary will be shown in four parts on Hulu, so the "sprouting off" will continue.
Because the documentary will always be part of the record of the 2016 general election, historians will have the opportunity to hear HRC "sprout off" in the future.
And because scholars and researchers will also have access to the actual hard data, you can expect further "sprouting off" on their part.
Link to tweet
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primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
delisen
(6,042 posts)who had the guts to promote democratic principles and the rights of women and girls all over our world.
Show me another political figure who understands that the real revolution is about equality - not leaning in to patriarchy.
I am so over the self-proclaimed revolutionaries with borrowed 19th century economic class-based classroom analyses.
In France they have limousine socialists, like that billionaire who sexually abused the hotel maid in New York. We have academic socialists - people who study socialism and preach socialism but don't seem to be able to lead socialist lives.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
RandiFan1290
(6,221 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
MrsCoffee
(5,801 posts)Whatever helps you sleep at night.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
BannonsLiver
(16,313 posts)Another one from the Suzie Surandon blow it all up crowd.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
still_one
(92,061 posts)Congress, and our illustrious media paraded every right wing politician across their outlets spewing the LIE that the email investigation had been reopened.
It also ignores the fact that enough self-identified progressives refused to vote for the Democratic nominee in those critical swing states, because they fell for the con propagated by various people on social media and other outlets that there was no difference between republicans and Democrats
In every critical swing state Hillary lost by less than 1%, while Jill Stein received 1% of the vote.
To make matters worse 47% didn't even bother to vote.
I believe your assessment is right on MrsCoffee, trump was NOT legitimately elected, and especially with the Comey fiasco, the election was definitely interfered with, and that doesn't even include the foreign interference
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
RandiFan1290
(6,221 posts)Nancy and Chuck should make a major announcement if the opposite is true.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
lees1975
(3,841 posts)There's something wrong in a system where you can get three million more votes in an election but still lose it. In this case, not only was it antiquated electoral college irrelevance but it got combined with figuring out how to cheat the system to get just enough votes in three states you desperately need to win.
Still, her remarks were off base. If her goal is to help see Trump retired, she needs to stay away from criticizing Democrats and focus her pointed remarks on the orange headed buffoon.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
NCProgressive
(1,315 posts)but look ... those are the three states where Jill Stein got the largest % of votes.
Guess who advocated and voted for Jill Stein? David Sirota, Brihana Joy Grey and Nina Turner. It is highly unlikely that they did it on their own without direction from the top.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)Last edited Wed Jan 22, 2020, 11:19 AM - Edit history (1)
The Oval Office was stolen from her with democratic voter suppression in three key states where she lost by a sliver, Comey's letter, and Russian interference.
Really losing is when you get 4 million votes less than the winner...
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
NCProgressive
(1,315 posts)they're too busy high-fiving each other that they got BS a second chance to run
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)As if the clear majority of Democrats had no clue what a good candidate is.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
NCProgressive
(1,315 posts)He is flawless. Pristine. Pure as driven snow. Smarter than Einstein, blacker than Rev. MLK Jr., able to pass impossible legislation in a single bounce.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
NCProgressive
(1,315 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
RandiFan1290
(6,221 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Nanjeanne
(4,915 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
lark
(23,065 posts)drumpf cheated with Russian and Russian repug help and stole the election. Way to blame the victim!
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
MH1
(17,573 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
brutus smith
(685 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
treestar
(82,383 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
ismnotwasm
(41,967 posts)Else she wouldnt cause every bot and troll on every internet site or social media platform to scurry out of their dank spaces with the goddamn meltdown vapors every time she opens her mouth.
A number of factors went into her loss. She herself didnt lose 1 election for us she worked her ass off to win.
And if you think she can lose another that further negates your statement that she is no longer relevant. Her works and works either matter, or they dont.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(296,875 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
PufPuf23
(8,756 posts)after the current contenders are bloodied in their competition.
Our current leading candidate, Joe Biden, is likely to be more damaged (not rightfully mind you) by the impeachment trial than Trump.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Cha
(296,875 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
PufPuf23
(8,756 posts)New documentary. Not that old of a book. Joining public discourse.
My opinion only.
Bet HRC would be open to running if asked and the Party offered support.
I am wishy washy now about the idea (there are times when would have disliked the idea) but have voted for Democratic candidate every election since McGovern and don't intend to change.
Edit to add: HRC has far more physical vitality now than Biden or Sanders (I'm a senior citizen so not being ageist but realistic).
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Cha
(296,875 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
PufPuf23
(8,756 posts)and probably still has the ambition as well.
Plus many folks would be pleased.
I would go as far as to say it may be a good thing (which you may find surprising).
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
StevieM
(10,500 posts)She lost because of a bogus FBI investigation. And whoever the Democrats had nominated in 2016 was probably going to placed under FBI investigation. They made it impossible for the Democrat to win.
And there is nothing HRC can do to cause the 2020 Democratic candidate to win or lose. They will do so on their own merits.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Hav
(5,969 posts)Hillary really has this ability to bring out the unhinged anger in people by doing nothing else than simply telling the truth. Whether it's from Trumpers or other bitter groups.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
brutus smith
(685 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Hav
(5,969 posts)Her presidential campaign was only one part of an array of topics that was covered and she offered her insight. Who knows what the timeline is and when the comments were made as the plans to do it started like 2 years ago. People act like she decided to come out yesterday and look for a journalist to make this comment about Bernie when it's only one comment among 35 hours of interviews done since 2018. It's possible Bernie hadn't even made it public to run at the time of these comments.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Malmsy
(297 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
LongtimeAZDem
(4,494 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
lark
(23,065 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Приятного пребывания
Priyatnogo prebyvaniya
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
MrsCoffee
(5,801 posts)He did her no favors and plenty of disservices.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
brutus smith
(685 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
LongtimeAZDem
(4,494 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
getagrip_already
(14,647 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
DURHAM D
(32,606 posts)So glad that Google has an English to Russian translation app - it is fun.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Eyeball_Kid
(7,429 posts)Her criticism of Sanders isn't that important. IMO, folks are making too much of her comments. I don't care whether she likes Sanders or not. BFD. There are far more important issues to consider in the election than what Hillary thinks or doesn't think about any candidate. Let's move on.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
MrsCoffee
(5,801 posts)I care what she has to say. So do millions of Americans.
Time has shown that we should listen to her when she speaks out to warn Americans about our elections.
She will not go gentle into that good night.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
brutus smith
(685 posts)If anything she should be trashing Joe for not doing anything before the election. The intelligence community warned the administration.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)Or even the POTUS's?
What is it that they were supposed to do that they did not?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
brutus smith
(685 posts)Since Joe wants to be associated with the good things Obama did, he can be associated with the not so good.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)to have stopped what was going on with election interference?
You state that he and Obama didn't do something that you expected them to.
crickets
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
brutus smith
(685 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)Perhaps you're "not capable" of reading the article the article you found before posting it, so here it is.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
brutus smith
(685 posts)Besides, I thought Joe could work with repubs. And pulling 1 sentence out of a whole article to try to prove your point is pretty right wing to me. But I'll let you have the last word, another right demand.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)But pushing away from the table and saying that you had a straight flush, but your opponent is an 'untrustworthy RWer' while storming out doesn't fool anyone.
Not even a pair of dueces, eh?
But you know what's a real "pretty RW" talking point?
Fact-checking Trump's claims Obama 'did nothing' to stop Russian election interference
See also, accusing others of what one is doing oneself...
Don't let the screen door hit ya...
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
questionseverything
(9,645 posts)crickets
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)when you ask who was specifically responsible and how for Russian interference that was supposed to "be prevented" in 2016.
crickets
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
pecosbob
(7,533 posts)Thirty years of swift-boating didn't help her popularity among voters. That's all water under the bridge. We would do well to choose a candidate that does not polarize our party.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)That's a talking point that used in a way that's not really accurate concerning HRC's candidacy.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Mike Nelson
(9,944 posts)... Hillary! Free from running for office. Of course, I already knew what she said in this tweet... but, I guess it's good for the media.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
The Valley Below
(1,701 posts)Give 'em hell Hillary!
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
onetexan
(13,024 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
comradebillyboy
(10,128 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
cwydro
(51,308 posts)But Ive been disappointed at this negativity toward those candidates.
I dislike both of those candidates, but I fail to see how her comments help in any way.
She seems bitter and angry (which is understandable), but I still was sorry to see this.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
comradebillyboy
(10,128 posts)four years. He's been crapping on the Party all that time. It's about time somebody called him out on his bad behavior and lack of accomplishment.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Blue_Tires
(55,445 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
NCProgressive
(1,315 posts)Expose the nefarious tactics
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
aikoaiko
(34,163 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Cha
(296,875 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
lapucelle
(18,190 posts)carefully crafted facade. That's why vetting is so important, including the first hand perspectives of responsible and respected experts.
https://apnews.com/345bbd1af529cfb1e41305fa3ab1e604
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
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