A vile video of Joe Rogan using explicitly sexist and demeaning language

[NCProgressive]

Will the Sanders campaign jettison Joe Rogan now?

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This vile, explicit video clip of Joe Rogan talking sexually about Hillary Clinton now almost 300,000 views. The Sanders campaign is sticking with Rogan.

Tom Watson added,
I'm sure the Sanders campaign is mighty proud of this. All you Joe Rogan defenders in the media as well. Good times, boys.

[Demsrule86]

1. Sanders must truly be desperate to celebrate this guy.

[highplainsdem]

6. He's desperate to do well in Iowa and NH before he slams into Biden's firewall in SC.

And he might think Rogan's racism won't be too off-putting for voters in mostly-white states, but IMO Sanders is miscalculating there. Plus Rogan's bigotry obviously isn't limited to racism.

[NurseJackie]

10. The candidate that I vote for will have more character and integrity.

I have higher standards.

[Cha]

25. Most of us do.. Thankfully!

[ehrnst]

42. Indeed. Thank you for putting it so eloquently. (nt)

[OAITW r.2.0]

2. Nope, can't attack Joe's Bro's.

Cuz maybe they will vtye for Trump if we don't support Bernie.

[Cha]

3. Omg.. what a fucking shite for brains.. joe rogan

[highplainsdem]

4. I'd call Rogan a pig, but that would insult pigs. He's a vicious bigot who finds bigotry funny.

[Cha]

11. Pigs are exponentially smarter than joe rogan.

[highplainsdem]

12. No kidding.

[Cha]

27. ..

[sheshe2]

28. Funny thing.

House across the lane just sold.

They have a household pet. It is a pig her name is Lulu. I kid you not.

Just a funny side note.

[highplainsdem]

29. Lulu? Love the name! And pet pigs can be very cute.

Always loved this commercial:

[sheshe2]

30. No.

This one is huge.

The mailman nearly crashed his truck when he saw her for the first time in the yard.

[highplainsdem]

31. OMG.

[GemDigger]

5. I had heard the name but knew nothing about him.... until now.

The company you keep and all that stuff.

[betsuni]

7. First comment in tweet thread: "There's a million of these."

[NCProgressive]

9. There literally are

Sanders campaign has no controls and policies or procedures whatsoever.

He would have gotten more mileage by rejecting the endorsement but no.

[betsuni]

15. Like what AOC said the other day, "some folks run as if the internet doesn't exist."

And as if there are no controls. They should make a policy. New endorsement, 24 hour vetting period before using the endorsement for campaign purposes. Maybe even that wouldn't make a difference...

[mcar]

8. Oh, but someone objectionable endorsed Hillary once

So this is totally OK.

[Cha]

13. The Difference between Joe Biden and BS..

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[Rorey]

53. + a million NT

[Cha]

71. Mahalo, Rorey!

[DanTex]

14. That's really awful language. Haven't heard anything like it since I was last in a comedy club...

[Cha]

16. Stop trying to cover for rogans vile asshole

sexist language as ******* "comedy".

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[NCProgressive]

17. It is like Rush Limbaugh's "entertainer" defense.

But... but... I'm just an entertainer. RWNJs have been touting it for ages. The real comedy is bernie supporters using the same defense.

[Cha]

22. "the rush limbaugh" defense.. They keep grasping at straws that

that aren't there.

[DanTex]

18. No cover! Like I said, awful language that reminds me of the last comedy club I went to.

F-bombs flying everywhere and all varieties of off-color jokes of a sexual nature that I wouldn't repeat in polite company. I even heard one young man make a joke about president Donald Trump performing oral sex on the Russian leader Vladimir Putin.

[Cha]

19. That's right.. your attempt is Not working.

[DanTex]

20. Comedy clubs should be canceled! Comedians too!

[Cha]

21. Don't stawman me.

[DanTex]

23. I'm agreeing with you. Comedy about world leaders having oral sex is just vile.

It should be canceled.

[Cha]

24. No you're NOT.

[NCProgressive]

35. Your statement is also specious with a sardonic twist

wherein the sarcasm of "It should be canceled" negates the subject line.

One should know better that behind that supposed comedy is a very vile and despicable person who means every word. Would he make such a joke about his mother or sister or daughter or lover?

Some things are inherently indecent and their tacit support just because the creator of those things is supporting your candidate lacks common decency, honor and integrity.

[Cha]

99. Not "comedy".. Vile Sexist utterings from a misogynist

idiot.

[ehrnst]

80. I'd say it was the false dillema fallacy..

If you don't agree with him on Rogan, you want all comedians censured.

You see, Rogan is actually a centrist status quo comedian, which is why any reaction to the misogyny is "faux-woke outrage" that is only felt by those that don't support Sanders.

You know, like the Sanders supporters who got Bernie to backpedal on his embrace of Cenk...

But yes, there is the attacking the Straw man and Red herring fallacies that have been chalked up in the frantic defense of Bro Rogan's materlal.

[Cha]

83. Gaslighting! Yeah, you gotta brush up on your

spinning classes to push that joe rogan shit.

Thanks, ehrnst!

[ehrnst]

88. DUH-OH!

So many coming at us at one time... I'm not able to keep up...

[Cha]

89. That's why I made this OP..

https://www.democraticunderground.com/1287447855

[ehrnst]

77. And we have the false dillema fallacy.

I think that's three now, in the service of trying to convince peopel that the content of the video is mainstream centrist status quo comedy...

That's why he has all those specials on HBO and Hulu.

[showblue22]

97. I've never heard language this vile toward a woman even in a comedy club.

Not directed at a woman like this. NEVER. This is over the top even for comedy.

[sheshe2]

32. I have asked several people here this question.

All backing Rogan as being a comedian. Yuck yuck, so funny. Hilarious! What a kidder. Comedy Gold.

What about his comment about shooting a woman in the C***. Not one person has answered me. Not one.

I always respecting your posts here, Dan. No more.

[BannonsLiver]

68. I think the word is situational ethics

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[ehrnst]

82. And different standards for one candidate than the others. (nt)

[DanTex]

79. I haven't seen the video you are talking about, but the one's I've seen I find offensive.

Not sure what to say. They guy calls gay men the "f-word" and at the same time is a strong advocate for things like gay marriage. The contradictory nature of him and the offensive language is probably what some people like about him. I mean, would it be better for him to use all the right language but oppose gay marriage? Maybe it would, after all that's what Obama was in 2008.

But the bottom line is, Bernie receiving the endorsement is not the same as Bernie validating everything the guy said. If every politician were held to that absurd standard, then the whole field would get wiped out pretty quick, and we might as well just hand the thing over to Trump.

[ehrnst]

81. Yes... talking about "shooting a woman in the C...t" is so mainstream in comedy, isn't it?

Or are you defending the video in the OP because the target of his riff is HRC?

[DanTex]

86. Jeez, I'm just saying I haven't seen that one video. I've seen comedians say some pretty wrong stuff

but that particular video I haven't seen. Is that OK?

The video in the OP? I think that's wrong. So are the homophobic jokes people make about Donald Trump sucking Vladimir Putin's dick. Lots of humor is wrong. I'm not here to defend every offensive joke that Rogan has ever made. Or any of them, really. You can show me more offensive jokes, and I'm sure I'll also agree that those other offensive jokes are also wrong.

[ehrnst]

87. Jeez, OK... it's wrong...,. but look over THERE!!!!...Furious diversion and rationalizing...

More false equivalencies, and "jeez. lighten up" accusations that those who think the video in the OP is disgusting are simply "faking" "faux woke outrage."

See the thing is, we're talking about one specific personality, Joe Rogan who makes a living spewing misogynist and racist material, and a specific politician who has presented himself as "THE" social justice candidate, "THE" woke candidate who has not simply "tolerated" that misogynist's support but presented it as "evidence" that he can "appeal" to that audience.

Yeah, tell us about MoveOn being 'centrists' displaying "faux woke outrage..."

Aren't you glad to know that you're totally with Richard Spencer with 'splaining that Rogan's particular appeal is "mainstream?"

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What mindset does one have to be in to enjoy that material? "Shoot a woman in the "c....t" and the commentary on why HRC isn't appealing enough for a blow job.

Again - is that why so many Sanders supporters want to somehow minimize the content of this video?

See that's where you actually divide the hack hate mongers like Rush Limbaugh, Glenn Beck and Joe Rogan from satirists or from the artists who use profanity to hold a mirror up to society - Pryor, Kinison, Bill Hicks. What mindset do you have to be in to find their work? At least Glenn Beck and Howard Stern have stated that they now regret what complete hateful assholes they have been in the past. Rush and Rogan, not so much.

But interestingly, Bernie didn't simply "ignore" Martin Skrelli's support of him, and made a very public deal about returning Skrelli's campaign donation. Why do you think he chose to deal with Skrelli so differently?

You still haven't explained how your dismissal of "faux woke outrage" applies to the Sanders supporters who didn't fall in line and praise Sanders's endorsement of Cenk, and by extension Cenk... and convinced Sanders to backpedal and retract his endorsement, as well as Cenk frantic announcement saying that he was 'rejecting all endorsements" to cover for the two that were retracted from progressive male politicians.

If you have to bend over backwards and use a litany of rhetorical fallacies (false equivalencies, false dilemmas, attacking strawmen) to defend your point, perhaps your point needs re-examining.

[DanTex]

90. I said it's wrong. And I said I didn't see that other video, which is true, I haven't.

I think it's absurd to compare Joe Rogan to Rush Limbaugh because Rush Limbaugh is a hard-right-winger and Joe Rogan is clearly not. Joe Rogan uses worse language, yes, but Rush Limbaugh promotes a hard-right ideology which Rogan does not.

There are different axes going on. One is the offensiveness of the language and the jokes, and the other is the political positions advocated. So you'll have Joe Rogan, for example, tossing around the anti-gay f***** word in his jokes. Completely unacceptable. Rush doesn't do that. But Joe Rogan is strongly in favor of gay marriage, while Rush Limbaugh is strongly against that.

They are different animals entirely.

[ehrnst]

91. "That other video" the one in the OP above?

I think it's absurd to compare Joe Rogan to Rush Limbaugh because Rush Limbaugh is a hard-right-winger and Joe Rogan is clearly not.

How do you explain a hard alt right leader like Richard Spencer calling Rogan mainstream?

One is the offensiveness of the language and the jokes, and the other is the political positions advocated.

Yes, I discussed that. The difference between social commentary and bigoted shit is the mindset you need to be in to find it funny.

Again... what kind of mindset do you need to be in to find the video in the OP funny?

A feminist one? One of a "social justice candidate?"

Do watch and get back to me.

And you still evade answering how "faux woke centrist outrage" applies to Moveon...

And how it applied to Sanders' supporters being angry enough to get him to retract his embrace of Cenk...

Finding that difficult?

[DanTex]

92. The one in the OP about Hillary I've seen. The one joking about shooting women I haven't.

I mean, I'm sure I'll find it repulsive, based on the description, but I just haven't seen it.

I don't care what Richard Spencer says, he's a lunatic, and nobody is seeking his endorsement. He can say what he wants.

Yes, I discussed that. The difference between social commentary and bigoted shit is the mindset you need to be in to find it funny.

I don't think the video is funny, and I don't think anyone with a social justice or feminist mindset would find it funny. All I'm saying is that there are large numbers of voters who don't share what you or I would call a feminist or social justice mindset, and their votes count just as much.

I don't condone Rogan's jokes. And I don't believe at all that we should change our positions on women's issues or anything else to accommodate voters without a feminist mindset. I do think that if we can get votes from people without a feminist mindset, without changing our positions and our principles, then we should do that. Because if we only get votes from self-described feminists, then Trump is going to be president again.

[ehrnst]

84. No, the standard is embracing the support. Bernie shunned Skrelli's support and $$$.

So there is precedent for Bernie telling a famous supporter that he didn't want to be associated with them.

So there's that.

[emmaverybo]

101. Was the person endorsing a wannabe president? Was that wannabe leader of the free world, CIC of

a super power among super powers, proudly showing off his or her endorsement? Had he or she
made but one unintentionally homophobic comment to describe loathsome Trump kissing up to
psycho Putin or wallowed in a putrid sewer full of hate and bigotry as a living?

Weak analogy.

[ehrnst]

41. Yeah, Glenn Beck used that excuse, too, I remember...

"I'm just a rodeo clown..."

That's a lot of rationalization going on there.

[NYMinute]

26. The "he is just a comedian" defense is hilarious

Reminds me of "Rush Limbaugh is just an entertainer" and "Fox and friends" is just a variety program defense.

It means some people have their heads so deep in the sand and are so self-righteous about themselves that they want to have it both ways.

[Beakybird]

33. Sanders would have been best off completely ignoring the endorsement.

This is terrible.

[NCProgressive]

36. or rejecting it

Rejecting it would have been the high road

[ehrnst]

85. Like he did Skrelli's fanboy adoration...

[Tarheel_Dem]

34. yUck!

[Squinch]

37. But she's just a woman. The bros don't really care about women. And will prove it by defending

this asshole's shtick. In this thread, even.

[ehrnst]

44. And it's HRC who is the target, so many self-described feminist bros are likely chuckling along.(nt)

[Squinch]

54. Yes. And not appreciating the... er... irony of their positions at all.

[ehrnst]

38. I hope that the Sanders campaign understands the reaction to this.

[ehrnst]

40. So you aren't offended by the content of the video? And you think others are faking outrage?

That's a lot of rationalization going on there to deflect from the ugly misogyny that's apparent to anyone.

Maybe because it's Hillary that's his target?

[ehrnst]

46. "Don't have to watch.."

Because then you'd have to acknowledge just how bad it is.

And that would make supporting Bernie's embracing of him problematic.

You're not the first Sanders supporter on DU to use this evasion concerning commenting on the sheer hatred of women, in the personage of HRC, displayed in that episode.

[DanTex]

63. I absolutely think others are faking outrage. Here's why.

I have yet to see a single person, either here or on twitter, who isn't either (a) a professional pundit or (b) already firmly anti-Bernie make a big deal out of this. It's the same people who are offended every time Bernie takes a step.

In the real world, comedians make offensive jokes. Yes, including jokes about political leaders giving blowjobs. Here on DU, there are plenty of jokes about Trump giving a blowjob to Putin. The same people offended here aren't offended there, even though it's homophobic humor. Why? Because in reality, people have thicker skin than when they pretend to be outraged.

Like I posted in another thread, Mayor Pete accepted an endorsement by a guy who also has a shock jock talk show, and who is on video bent over laughing about murdering trans women. Guess what, none of the same centrists on twitter care the least bit about that. I could post 20 more examples of candidates buddying up to people who have said bigoted things. It would be the same, none of the same people would care, as long as that candidate wasn't Bernie Sanders.

I could have predicted all this, because it's obvious from the start that none of the outrage has anything to do with actually being offended. It's all hypocrisy, and it's so obvious.

[NCProgressive]

64. Of course - Bernie supporters can read minds

[DanTex]

65. It doesn't require mind reading, just observation of hypocritical actions.

Very simple. Bernie and Pete do the same thing. The faux-woke centrists attack Bernie for that thing, but not Pete.

That's hypocrisy. Done.

[ehrnst]

73. Did Pete embrace the endorsement of someone who makes a living being a bigot on air?

Do share....

It's simple.

Otherwise, that's a red herring. Done.

[DanTex]

74. Yes. He's in a video with the guy, spread around by his campaign.

It's as close to an identical situation as you can find.

[ehrnst]

75. Link please to this "identical" situation.

[DanTex]

76. Here.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/charlamagne-tha-gods-laughter-at-violence-against-trans-women-is-more-dangerous-than-he-thinks

Link to tweet

[ehrnst]

78. OK. That's an embrace. Now to make your case that it's "nearly identical"

you can share some video of the Charlemagne the God, so we can see for ourselves what the situation is.

It's simple. You don't want to add on the false equivalency fallacy do you?

[ehrnst]

94. That's one. Just 19 more to go for the "20 more examples

of candidates buddying up to people who have said bigoted things," you said that you "could post."

[ehrnst]

72. You think that anyone offended by the misogyny in the video would not be offended if

they were "pro-Bernie?"

Are you sure that's where you want to land on this?

And you have "20 more examples of candidates buddying up to people who have said bigoted things."

Whataboutism for the win!

But by all means, put your money where your mouth is and share these "20 examples" of "buddying up" with someone who makes a living saying bigoted and misogynistic things on the air, as well as promotes Breitbart on the part of Biden, Warren, Buttigieg, Yang, Klobuchar, Bennet and Bloomberg. It's very simple.

I await your statement as to why "it's not relevant" or "You can google it yourself" or "I'm done here."

But certainly you can give us your thoughts on why Sanders backpedaled on endorsing Cenk if only "anti-Bernie" people get "outraged" by racism and misogyny?

Were those Sanders supporters "faux-woke centrists" for not towing the line and getting behind Bernie's endorsement of Uyghur?

[brer cat]

48. There is nothing phony about the outrage

to that misogynist, racist, bigoted vile person. Sanders needs to firmly disassociate himself from Rogan or he will be losing support.

[Rorey]

56. More like legitimate disgust

I'd be outraged if ANY candidate accepted the endorsement of an obvious slime ball like Rogan.

[Cha]

70. I didn't know wtf joe rogan was but now I

do.. you can see his Vile vid in the OP.. when you wake up.

[Cha]

95. Wait a minute.. who are you to determine anyone else's

"outrage"?

[Mariana]

96. Why do you hope that?

If the Sanders campaign doesn't understand the reaction to this, aren't they more likely to lose?

[kcr]

45. That would be the reason they're sticking with Rogan

Some Bernie fans here are laughing at it, in fact.

[ehrnst]

47. Well, the target of the sewage coming out of his mouth is HRC. So there's that. (nt)

[kcr]

50. Yep. I wonder how Cenk Uyger feels about getting the boot

but not this guy. For all his faults at least Uyger isn't a full-on Birther Trumper.

[Amimnoch]

58. False equivalency.

First, excellent Trumpian tactic of "whataboutHillary"ism.

Second, His behavior was made public knowledge in 2017, long after the 2016 primary had concluded. Rogan's history is known right now, and still beloved and defended.. again in a very Trumpian methodology.. by BS, his Surrogates, and his acolytes.

Anyone BUT BS 2020.

[NCProgressive]

60. +++++++++

[Amimnoch]

55. Well.. now I'm firmly vote blue almost no matter who.

I'm not going to choose between 2 candidates that rationalize misogynists, racists, and homophobes.

Anyone BUT Bernie 2020. I'll support Gabbard and Bloomberg before I'll support him.

[Amimnoch]

59. I decline to say.

would be against TOS, and I respect the rules of Democratic Underground.

The best I can promise and remain within the rules is, if BS does manage to be the head of our ticket without ever condemning this particular endorsement, I am 100% willing to phone bank for, canvass for, donate to, and vote for every person down ballot that is running for the Democratic Party.

[NCProgressive]

61. +1000

[cwydro]

62. Ugh.

I wonder if people who curse that much realize how stupid they sound.

[BannonsLiver]

67. The takeaway from this thread is there are people here who are just fine with birtherism.

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And misogyny just so long as the purveyor of that content supports their candidate.

[Cha]

93. Yep.

[RandySF]

69. K&R

[Zolorp]

98. Joe Rogan was a Birther, too

[Gothmog]

100. sanders has demonstrated some very pool judgment in promoting this endorsement

sanders has shown some very poor judgment in this endorsement. sanders has also shown poor judgment hiring a liar like sirota and stein supporters

[Cha]

102. So true.. :( embrace this guy's endorsement..

really?

[Cha]

103. Thank you again, NCProgressive

[NCProgressive]

104. Kick