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brooklynite

(93,851 posts)
Fri Jan 31, 2020, 08:18 PM Jan 2020

Hillary Clinton Slams Bernie Sanders for Not Working to Unite Democrats in 2016

https://t.co/clptd7Irbi" target="_blank">New York Times

DES MOINES — Hillary Clinton said on Friday in a podcast interview that Senator Bernie Sanders and his supporters did not do enough to unify the Democratic Party after the prolonged 2016 primary, calling the behavior of his supporters “distressing” and saying it affected the general election.

“All the way up until the end, a lot of people highly identified with his campaign were urging people to vote third party, urging people not to vote,” Mrs. Clinton said in an interview with Emily Tisch Sussman for her podcast “Your Primary Playlist.” “It had an impact.”

Mrs. Clinton also drew a sharp distinction between her efforts in 2008 to bring the party together after her bruising primary battle with Barack Obama and the efforts by Mr. Sanders in 2016: “Night and day,” she said.
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Hillary Clinton Slams Bernie Sanders for Not Working to Unite Democrats in 2016 (Original Post) brooklynite Jan 2020 OP
This is one of the many reasons I can not support Bernie calguy Jan 2020 #1
I disliked him the moment he called for President Obama to be primaried. NurseJackie Jan 2020 #7
Same - and I supported him in the 2016 primaries democrattotheend Jan 2020 #16
Yeah. I went really negative on him after watching his conduct in 2016. Blue_true Jan 2020 #78
She lost because she did not GOTV in the rust belt CarlitosMMT Jan 2020 #104
Stop. Just stop. zentrum Jan 2020 #2
tell me about it!!!!!!!!!! pangaia Jan 2020 #5
For the past 3 years Bernie has been making the false claim that StevieM Jan 2020 #6
That's a good point. OnDoutside Jan 2020 #8
Both of them should stop. 2016 is over. The party needs to be united in 2020. DanTex Jan 2020 #9
He is calling the DNC again today as rigging the election. sheshe2 Jan 2020 #36
I think that was in regards to the DNC allowing Bloomberg in the next debate. jalan48 Jan 2020 #37
They changed the rules, which they said they might do. sheshe2 Jan 2020 #42
The next debate is February 7. Bloomberg won't be there lapucelle Jan 2020 #69
Sorry, Feb 19th Debate jalan48 Feb 2020 #109
it was before the Debate decision Fresh_Start Feb 2020 #116
He's not the only candidate complaining about the rule change. JudyM Feb 2020 #130
Post removed Post removed Jan 2020 #18
Maybe you could read up on the facts. JudyM Feb 2020 #129
Seriously. SMC22307 Jan 2020 #41
On election day...right before the voting...Jane said what was important was not who you voted for Demsrule86 Jan 2020 #45
And Hillary bringing back all the 2016 stuff is sure to help unity this time... DanTex Jan 2020 #57
Sander just said the DNC rigged the system letting Bloomberg in...so there will be no unity. We have Demsrule86 Jan 2020 #62
Well, the DNC did change the rules to let Bloomberg in. So there's that. DanTex Jan 2020 #75
I'm not entirely sure radical noodle Jan 2020 #108
Bloomberg doesn't hurt Sanders...Biden maybe...He is number four ....so he has to be in the debate. Demsrule86 Feb 2020 #134
Let's not omit the fact that Warren & Steyer are making the same point. JudyM Feb 2020 #131
This message was self-deleted by its author calguy Jan 2020 #105
Does the truth hurt Dan? calguy Jan 2020 #107
Disgusting. She was giving people "permission" or... NurseJackie Jan 2020 #59
She was doing exactly that. Demsrule86 Jan 2020 #61
Actually that was after the voting. Hence the past tense "voted". DanTex Jan 2020 #76
She's right. LisaM Jan 2020 #3
It was heart-wrenching to watch. But. DanTex Jan 2020 #17
I disagree. LisaM Jan 2020 #38
She has to try to stop him from doing that this year. Blue_true Jan 2020 #82
Post removed Post removed Jan 2020 #4
Just because the NY Times wrote that lie in 2016 that doesn't mean that it ever really happened. StevieM Jan 2020 #10
Wow, I could not have said it better myself democrattotheend Jan 2020 #19
Hillary is right. She's not saying this out of spite. It's advice to the Dems running in 2020 Thekaspervote Jan 2020 #39
So the NYT is now Fake News? TheRealNorth Jan 2020 #21
DNC: "an impotent, toothless organization that couldn't sabotage a campaign to save their lives." betsuni Jan 2020 #33
Bernie worked hard for Hillary ritapria Jan 2020 #11
Apparently he didn't supplicate enough and kiss her pinky ring TheRealNorth Jan 2020 #15
... lapucelle Jan 2020 #34
He did not hold 35 campaign rallies for her. Of course she sent him a note, she's a classy woman. George II Jan 2020 #22
I remember Bernie doing rallies in Duluth and Madison TheRealNorth Jan 2020 #26
Time Kaine made a number of stops in Wisconsin, and Clinton won Minnesota. George II Jan 2020 #29
I guess all her advertising and her staffers working the ground in those states don't count. StevieM Jan 2020 #51
41 documented in this video. progressoid Jan 2020 #70
BS showed up to do his part 17 days out of 102 during the GE season. N/T lapucelle Jan 2020 #73
The claim that he didn't hold 35 campaign rallies for her. progressoid Jan 2020 #92
He showed up 17 out of 102 days. I captained phone bankers who showed up more often. lapucelle Jan 2020 #102
+1 betsuni Jan 2020 #103
I have heard many claims by his supporters. Blue_true Jan 2020 #84
I remember 4 in Iowa alone. progressoid Jan 2020 #90
This message was self-deleted by its author RandiFan1290 Feb 2020 #117
The was the type of letter you send your aunt for giving you socks for Christmas Fresh_Start Feb 2020 #118
I now regret voting for Hillary in the 2016 Primary TheRealNorth Jan 2020 #12
Funny, I sort of feel the opposite democrattotheend Jan 2020 #25
She didn't ignore the midwest. As much as people make the claim that she ignored Michigan.... George II Jan 2020 #27
Well said. The media has created a mythical version of history, here in the Second McCarthy Era. StevieM Jan 2020 #55
When did she come to Wisconsin? Cuthbert Allgood Jan 2020 #100
She absolutely did not ignore the midwest. That is pure fiction. (eom) StevieM Jan 2020 #53
How many visits to Wisconsin in the run up to the general? BlueWI Feb 2020 #112
That is your one and only point. It hardly adds up to HRC ignoring the midwest. StevieM Feb 2020 #114
Results matter. BlueWI Feb 2020 #124
I am not spinning anything. I am saying that it is historically inaccurate to say that she didn't StevieM Feb 2020 #132
She is correct. We saw the result mcar Jan 2020 #13
Is she writing another book? jalan48 Jan 2020 #14
No. A documentary about her life premiered at the Sundance Film Festival. N/T lapucelle Jan 2020 #32
heh. aikoaiko Jan 2020 #20
. Autumn Jan 2020 #23
Hillary is a TEAM Player for the country and the Planet. Cha Jan 2020 #24
Indeed she is. There's no REAL dem that has done more for the party or the country Thekaspervote Jan 2020 #40
I was for Obama but when Hillary came Cha Jan 2020 #44
Divide, divide, divide. democrank Jan 2020 #28
Sanders: "I don't consider myself a Democrat" From 2017.. Cha Jan 2020 #47
She's right apcalc Jan 2020 #30
Where were you in 2016? Bernie went out of his way to support Hillary... iwannaknow Jan 2020 #31
The number of rallies he attended is not the paramount issue. StevieM Jan 2020 #46
In the Fall, he questioned her capacity to lead every chance that he got. Blue_true Jan 2020 #88
No he didn't...and the convention was debacle.. Demsrule86 Jan 2020 #48
She is correct. betsuni Jan 2020 #35
He only did more than she did for Obama. Nanjeanne Jan 2020 #43
No he didn't. Demsrule86 Jan 2020 #49
Post removed Post removed Jan 2020 #58
I will ignore your rudeness and say I counted looking at what you presented 11 times... Demsrule86 Jan 2020 #77
Prove it? Watch the video with dates and locations. Otherwise there's nothing left to Nanjeanne Jan 2020 #81
I also posted less the than helpful things he said and pointed out the first joint appearance was Demsrule86 Jan 2020 #98
Which of those stops in the video are fake. Cuthbert Allgood Jan 2020 #97
According to your video BS showed up on 17 of the 102 days in the GE season. N/T lapucelle Jan 2020 #60
LOL... SidDithers Jan 2020 #65
She's right...nt SidDithers Jan 2020 #66
Of Course it did.. Hillary is DEAD ON.. Cha Jan 2020 #50
Like saying that how we voted is not as important as that we voted. betsuni Jan 2020 #54
YES! And, sirota lying about Hillary the Night Before the GENERAL Cha Jan 2020 #68
There was a lot of russian disinformation in the swing states targeting minorities Kurt V. Jan 2020 #71
And, sirota lying about Hillary the Night Before the GENERAL Cha Jan 2020 #72
true. but no where near the power zuck and his russian fascists welded. Kurt V. Jan 2020 #74
Russians knew what to use. Effect on young people: betsuni Jan 2020 #89
Not helpful. NT ALBliberal Jan 2020 #52
I had the same thought in 2016 I think he could have done more but he chose to do less. katmondoo Jan 2020 #56
That was my feeling also. He did almost nothing to help her. Blue_true Jan 2020 #94
damn she bitter. i thought she was above this. guess not. Kurt V. Jan 2020 #63
Trump was elected...we lost court seats and could lose another if Ginsberg can't hold on... Demsrule86 Jan 2020 #79
Perhaps. I'm bitter too. but more towards Zuckerberg. Cambridge. Russians. comey. Kurt V. Jan 2020 #83
Honestly, I will never forgive Sanders for not supporting her sufficiently especially during the Demsrule86 Jan 2020 #96
She is right. He caused a lot of animosity toward her and did almost Blue_true Jan 2020 #95
This message was self-deleted by its author RandiFan1290 Feb 2020 #120
Hillary was correct in her charges about sanders Gothmog Feb 2020 #126
I can't get behind Bernie. bitterross Jan 2020 #64
I hope at least a few can see the sad irony here n/t Tom Rinaldo Jan 2020 #67
I am sure they can but admitting it seems to be a bit of a challenge. LOL nt Quixote1818 Jan 2020 #91
Why the F are we fighting over 2016 still? Can't we all just STFU about it? nt cry baby Jan 2020 #80
How is this going to unite Democrats? Absolutely tone deaf hypocrisy that is not helpeful at all. Quixote1818 Jan 2020 #85
Oh goody, one of those "post removed" threads. Too bad it's my bedtime soon. rzemanfl Jan 2020 #86
Timing is everything. This will have an impact on furthering divisiveness. YOHABLO Jan 2020 #87
She did the same stuff to Obama but who cares? This should all be in the past Quixote1818 Jan 2020 #93
This isn't helpful. squirecam Jan 2020 #99
She needs to stop. Cuthbert Allgood Jan 2020 #101
I saw this first hand at the National Convention Gothmog Jan 2020 #106
Hillary needs to stop interfering in the Primaries kelly1mm Feb 2020 #110
as soon as Sanders lost the election.... quickesst Feb 2020 #111
Poor timing for this criticism. BlueWI Feb 2020 #113
Post removed Post removed Feb 2020 #115
No, stranger81, Hillary is NOT a narcissist. She's being honest. NurseJackie Feb 2020 #119
'We don't know what his motivations were for being absent' denem Feb 2020 #121
True. Thank you. I'd have hoped that other things would have ranked higher... NurseJackie Feb 2020 #122
It was time to cash in. denem Feb 2020 #123
I was at the National Convention and I agree with Hillary Clinton on sanders lack of support Gothmog Feb 2020 #125
Good luck on getting support from Clinton supporters Gothmog Feb 2020 #127
Post removed Post removed Feb 2020 #128
I just wish that we could put 2016 behind us and concentrate on the here and now. totodeinhere Feb 2020 #133
 

calguy

(5,222 posts)
1. This is one of the many reasons I can not support Bernie
Fri Jan 31, 2020, 08:23 PM
Jan 2020

I liked him before 2016, after seeing more of him, my opinion changes.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
7. I disliked him the moment he called for President Obama to be primaried.
Fri Jan 31, 2020, 08:27 PM
Jan 2020

I disliked him the moment he called for President Obama to be primaried. What kind of shit is that?

That's not the kind of thing that someone says who's seeking unity.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

democrattotheend

(11,605 posts)
16. Same - and I supported him in the 2016 primaries
Fri Jan 31, 2020, 08:47 PM
Jan 2020

I still like him, and will of course support him if he gets the nomination. But I was very disappointed in the way he conducted himself in the month after the California primary. He waited way too long to concede and endorse Hillary, and then it felt like he was pretty half-hearted about it. Hillary deserved the same full-throated support that she gave to Obama in 2008, and I was disappointed in Bernie for not doing more to get his supporters on board and dispel false beliefs among many of his supporters that she only got the nomination because of superdelegates (and other false beliefs that she did not get the nomination legitimately).

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
78. Yeah. I went really negative on him after watching his conduct in 2016.
Fri Jan 31, 2020, 10:41 PM
Jan 2020

And from what I see, he is repeating that behavior in this primary. His campaign is always calling the DNC out for rigging things when it isn't, and his campaign is aggressively making mis-statements about primary opponents.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

CarlitosMMT

(53 posts)
104. She lost because she did not GOTV in the rust belt
Fri Jan 31, 2020, 11:36 PM
Jan 2020

The lesson of 2016 is ground game.
Hillary lost because the DNC and her campaign neglected the ground game in the rust belt.
While she was galavanting around, Bernie was fighting for votes for her in MI, WI, PA, and OH.
We need to get fucking real.
Bernie won’t make those mistakes. Should have been obvious but it’s still not to snooty entitled limousine liberal elites that lose election after election.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

pangaia

(24,324 posts)
5. tell me about it!!!!!!!!!!
Fri Jan 31, 2020, 08:26 PM
Jan 2020

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

StevieM

(10,499 posts)
6. For the past 3 years Bernie has been making the false claim that
Fri Jan 31, 2020, 08:26 PM
Jan 2020

the DNC rigged the primaries to defeat him in 2016, or at least that they some how "put their thumb on the scales" for her, whatever that means.

It was Bernie who should have stopped that nonsense.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

OnDoutside

(19,906 posts)
8. That's a good point.
Fri Jan 31, 2020, 08:29 PM
Jan 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

DanTex

(20,709 posts)
9. Both of them should stop. 2016 is over. The party needs to be united in 2020.
Fri Jan 31, 2020, 08:30 PM
Jan 2020

No matter who the nominee is. Hillary saying this doesn't help.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

sheshe2

(83,335 posts)
36. He is calling the DNC again today as rigging the election.
Fri Jan 31, 2020, 09:26 PM
Jan 2020
DanTex
9. Both of them should stop. 2016 is over. The party needs to be united in 2020.

No matter who the nominee is. Hillary saying this doesn't help.


Yet here he is again not uniting. It does not help.
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

jalan48

(13,797 posts)
37. I think that was in regards to the DNC allowing Bloomberg in the next debate.
Fri Jan 31, 2020, 09:30 PM
Jan 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

sheshe2

(83,335 posts)
42. They changed the rules, which they said they might do.
Fri Jan 31, 2020, 09:52 PM
Jan 2020

They did not just allow Bloomberg in.

Fact is he seems to be the only one saying the DNC is rigged as he has in the past.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

lapucelle

(18,037 posts)
69. The next debate is February 7. Bloomberg won't be there
Fri Jan 31, 2020, 10:27 PM
Jan 2020

because he didn't qualify.

Where did you get the idea that "the DNC [is] allowing Bloomberg in the next debate"?

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Fresh_Start

(11,330 posts)
116. it was before the Debate decision
Sat Feb 1, 2020, 09:16 AM
Feb 2020

Sandanistas hated that Podesta was on a DNC committee.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

JudyM

(29,122 posts)
130. He's not the only candidate complaining about the rule change.
Sat Feb 1, 2020, 12:34 PM
Feb 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided

Response to StevieM (Reply #6)

 

JudyM

(29,122 posts)
129. Maybe you could read up on the facts.
Sat Feb 1, 2020, 12:30 PM
Feb 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

SMC22307

(8,088 posts)
41. Seriously.
Fri Jan 31, 2020, 09:51 PM
Jan 2020

Let it go already and stop with the damn divisiveness!

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Demsrule86

(68,348 posts)
45. On election day...right before the voting...Jane said what was important was not who you voted for
Fri Jan 31, 2020, 09:56 PM
Jan 2020

but that you vote. And Sanders said during the general it was not his job to convince his supporters to back Hillary...and all the bad things including but not limited to courts, caged babies...etc are because of the Bernie/left not voting for Hillary in the blue wall states...where the fucking traitor Stein worked her ass off to destroy the election and this country.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

DanTex

(20,709 posts)
57. And Hillary bringing back all the 2016 stuff is sure to help unity this time...
Fri Jan 31, 2020, 10:12 PM
Jan 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Demsrule86

(68,348 posts)
62. Sander just said the DNC rigged the system letting Bloomberg in...so there will be no unity. We have
Fri Jan 31, 2020, 10:20 PM
Jan 2020

hope we can win without for lack of a better term the hard core 'bros'

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

DanTex

(20,709 posts)
75. Well, the DNC did change the rules to let Bloomberg in. So there's that.
Fri Jan 31, 2020, 10:36 PM
Jan 2020

Other candidates like Booker and Tulsi wanted DNC rule changes, but didn't get them. But they changed the rules to let in a centrist billionaire who voted for George W Bush.

Bernie's not the only one who noticed. Yang and Steyer also pointed out the double standard.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

radical noodle

(7,990 posts)
108. I'm not entirely sure
Fri Jan 31, 2020, 11:44 PM
Jan 2020

but I think Bloomberg is already higher in the polls than they were. He's not taking contributions so he can qualify for that part, but I think he does qualify for the polling part.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Demsrule86

(68,348 posts)
134. Bloomberg doesn't hurt Sanders...Biden maybe...He is number four ....so he has to be in the debate.
Sat Feb 1, 2020, 08:54 PM
Feb 2020

The rules have changed each time ...As for Bernie...he is at it again...a giant excuse for when he loses the primary.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

JudyM

(29,122 posts)
131. Let's not omit the fact that Warren & Steyer are making the same point.
Sat Feb 1, 2020, 12:35 PM
Feb 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided

Response to DanTex (Reply #57)

 

calguy

(5,222 posts)
107. Does the truth hurt Dan?
Fri Jan 31, 2020, 11:39 PM
Jan 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
59. Disgusting. She was giving people "permission" or...
Fri Jan 31, 2020, 10:14 PM
Jan 2020

... encouraging them to vote for Stein or write in their favorite non nominated individual.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Demsrule86

(68,348 posts)
61. She was doing exactly that.
Fri Jan 31, 2020, 10:19 PM
Jan 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

DanTex

(20,709 posts)
76. Actually that was after the voting. Hence the past tense "voted".
Fri Jan 31, 2020, 10:38 PM
Jan 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

LisaM

(27,759 posts)
3. She's right.
Fri Jan 31, 2020, 08:23 PM
Jan 2020

It was heart-wrenching to watch the convention. I sensed trouble coming out of it.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

DanTex

(20,709 posts)
17. It was heart-wrenching to watch. But.
Fri Jan 31, 2020, 08:49 PM
Jan 2020

For her to be talking about it in these terms, right now, is making it more, not less likely that it happens again.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

LisaM

(27,759 posts)
38. I disagree.
Fri Jan 31, 2020, 09:35 PM
Jan 2020

I think she know something we don't, and is laying some groundwork.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
82. She has to try to stop him from doing that this year.
Fri Jan 31, 2020, 10:47 PM
Jan 2020

I am not sure that she will make an impact on him and his most hardcore followers, but hopefully she turns the undecideds in the right direction and get more POC off the sidelines this time around.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden

Response to brooklynite (Original post)

 

StevieM

(10,499 posts)
10. Just because the NY Times wrote that lie in 2016 that doesn't mean that it ever really happened.
Fri Jan 31, 2020, 08:31 PM
Jan 2020

The DNC is an impotent, toothless organization that couldn't sabotage a campaign to save their lives.

The emails they are referring to, provided by Vladimir Putin, showed DNC officials anticipating that HRC would be the presumptive nominee based on what the voters had chosen to do at the polls. The spin that they showed a conspiracy is exactly the kind of bad behavior that Hillary was talking about.

Hillary rallied her troops around Obama, and his candidacy, in the run up to the convention and during it. Bernie stayed in the race for a month after the voting ended, and his delegates were demanding that he be given the nominee, over the will of the voters, at the convention. They even disrupted convention speeches with their chanting, including repeated attempts to upstage Hillary.

They simply refused to accept the legitimacy of their defeat, and to this day continue to do so.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

democrattotheend

(11,605 posts)
19. Wow, I could not have said it better myself
Fri Jan 31, 2020, 08:50 PM
Jan 2020

And this is the biggest reason I am not supporting Bernie in the primaries this time around. I don't exactly regret supporting him in 2016, because I think his candidacy raised important issues and he proved that it is possible to raise enough money without giving a disproportionate audience to corporate lobbyists and wealthy donors, which I think is important. But I was disappointed in the way he behaved after the voting was over, and I really feel that Hillary deserved better from him, especially because she was a class act after she lost to Obama in 2008.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Thekaspervote

(32,606 posts)
39. Hillary is right. She's not saying this out of spite. It's advice to the Dems running in 2020
Fri Jan 31, 2020, 09:40 PM
Jan 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

TheRealNorth

(9,435 posts)
21. So the NYT is now Fake News?
Fri Jan 31, 2020, 08:50 PM
Jan 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

betsuni

(25,128 posts)
33. DNC: "an impotent, toothless organization that couldn't sabotage a campaign to save their lives."
Fri Jan 31, 2020, 09:15 PM
Jan 2020

Thank you! I remember reading somewhere that Richard Nixon was incredulous when he found out some of his people broke into the DNC's offices because he wondered what information anyone would want from such a toothless organization.

The myth of a rigging DNC is ridiculous, yet here we are again.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

ritapria

(1,812 posts)
11. Bernie worked hard for Hillary
Fri Jan 31, 2020, 08:33 PM
Jan 2020

35 campaign rallies and 3 joint appearances on her behalf wasn't enough to please Hillary ? ..She sent Bernie a note thanking him for all the hard work he had done to help get her elected … What else was he expected to do ? ..

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

TheRealNorth

(9,435 posts)
15. Apparently he didn't supplicate enough and kiss her pinky ring
Fri Jan 31, 2020, 08:45 PM
Jan 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

George II

(67,782 posts)
22. He did not hold 35 campaign rallies for her. Of course she sent him a note, she's a classy woman.
Fri Jan 31, 2020, 08:51 PM
Jan 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

TheRealNorth

(9,435 posts)
26. I remember Bernie doing rallies in Duluth and Madison
Fri Jan 31, 2020, 08:53 PM
Jan 2020

Which was more than she did in Minnesota and Wisconsin.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

George II

(67,782 posts)
29. Time Kaine made a number of stops in Wisconsin, and Clinton won Minnesota.
Fri Jan 31, 2020, 09:06 PM
Jan 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

StevieM

(10,499 posts)
51. I guess all her advertising and her staffers working the ground in those states don't count.
Fri Jan 31, 2020, 10:06 PM
Jan 2020

She actually did make a campaign stop in Minnesota.

And she didn't hold a rally in Wisconsin because she was leading by double digits. Bernie went there for the same reason that Chelsea did--if a candidate isn't planning a rally in a certain state, or area, then they send their top surrogates. So obviously Bernie was going to be sent there if she wasn't planning a rally of her own.

Holding an event or two, or even five, would not have changed the outcome of Wisconsin. She campaigned ferociously in Pennsylvania, with more rallies than any other state (in a tie with FL and OH), but still lost there. She didn't really lose because of a badly run campaign, no matter what the media now claims. She lost because James Comey and the FBI set out to destroy her. They were never going to let her win.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

progressoid

(49,825 posts)
70. 41 documented in this video.
Fri Jan 31, 2020, 10:28 PM
Jan 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

lapucelle

(18,037 posts)
73. BS showed up to do his part 17 days out of 102 during the GE season. N/T
Fri Jan 31, 2020, 10:34 PM
Jan 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

progressoid

(49,825 posts)
92. The claim that he didn't hold 35 campaign rallies for her.
Fri Jan 31, 2020, 11:11 PM
Jan 2020

That's true. He didn't hold 35, he held more.

So, aside from Kaine and maybe her husband*, how many rallies did other Democrats do for her?



*I recall Bill's campaigning being interrupted. They had to put Bill on ice for a while because he kept putting his foot in his mouth.

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lapucelle

(18,037 posts)
102. He showed up 17 out of 102 days. I captained phone bankers who showed up more often.
Fri Jan 31, 2020, 11:26 PM
Jan 2020
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Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
84. I have heard many claims by his supporters.
Fri Jan 31, 2020, 10:53 PM
Jan 2020

One person claims that he held 67 rallies for her all over the place. The claim you responded says 35. What I remember was 4 really weak rallies where he questioned her leadership capacity more than endorse her, that was after sitting out close to a month and a half after the convention ended before lifting a finger. I kept wondering where was Bernie, he had made such a stink and was doing nothing to help clean it up.

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progressoid

(49,825 posts)
90. I remember 4 in Iowa alone.
Fri Jan 31, 2020, 10:59 PM
Jan 2020

Clearly YMMV.

Here's a nice little video from Rachel Madow.


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Fresh_Start

(11,330 posts)
118. The was the type of letter you send your aunt for giving you socks for Christmas
Sat Feb 1, 2020, 09:19 AM
Feb 2020

you have to send a letter

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TheRealNorth

(9,435 posts)
12. I now regret voting for Hillary in the 2016 Primary
Fri Jan 31, 2020, 08:41 PM
Jan 2020

Had I known she was going to ignore the Midwest in the 2016 campaign and then pull this shit.

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democrattotheend

(11,605 posts)
25. Funny, I sort of feel the opposite
Fri Jan 31, 2020, 08:53 PM
Jan 2020

I don't regret supporting Bernie, exactly, but I was disappointed in how he behaved after the primaries were over. Yes, he eventually endorsed Hillary and campaigned for her, but his support felt half-hearted (unlike Hillary's support for Obama in 2008), and he didn't do nearly enough to dispel misconceptions among his supporters that caused too many of them not to support Hillary in the general because they were convinced the primaries were rigged.

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George II

(67,782 posts)
27. She didn't ignore the midwest. As much as people make the claim that she ignored Michigan....
Fri Jan 31, 2020, 08:58 PM
Jan 2020

Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin, that's not entirely true.

She made 9 appearances in Michigan, 17 in Pennsylvania, and 1 in Wisconsin. Plus either Barack or Michelle Obama or Joe Biden made several trips to those states.

So saying she ignored the Midwest, particularly those three states, is totally false.

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StevieM

(10,499 posts)
55. Well said. The media has created a mythical version of history, here in the Second McCarthy Era.
Fri Jan 31, 2020, 10:11 PM
Jan 2020

She also had a robust campaign in Ohio. And an early version of the attacks on her included lashing out at her for not abandoning Iowa altogether.

And, of course, advertising and ground game are other ways of campaigning in various states. To listen to the media, you would think it was all about where you held your rallies.

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Cuthbert Allgood

(4,867 posts)
100. When did she come to Wisconsin?
Fri Jan 31, 2020, 11:24 PM
Jan 2020

I don't remember that. I remember Feingold begging her to and telling her we were going to lose here.

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StevieM

(10,499 posts)
53. She absolutely did not ignore the midwest. That is pure fiction. (eom)
Fri Jan 31, 2020, 10:08 PM
Jan 2020
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BlueWI

(1,736 posts)
112. How many visits to Wisconsin in the run up to the general?
Sat Feb 1, 2020, 03:32 AM
Feb 2020

0.

Not good.

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StevieM

(10,499 posts)
114. That is your one and only point. It hardly adds up to HRC ignoring the midwest.
Sat Feb 1, 2020, 05:48 AM
Feb 2020

It literally ignores every single other state in the Midwest.

And it ignores her advertising and large ground operation in Wisconsin.

So in the run up to the general HRC did not hold rallies in a state where she was leading by double digits. That is not unheard of. When Donald Trump finally thought he could win, because of the Comey intervention, the first thing he did was cancel an appearance in Wisconsin.

Making campaign stops in Wisconsin would not have changed the outcome of the election, or even that state. She lost there, along with other battleground states she had been previously favored to win, because of James Comey's antics.

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BlueWI

(1,736 posts)
124. Results matter.
Sat Feb 1, 2020, 10:39 AM
Feb 2020

Spin it how you want, and ignore lessons at our peril.

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StevieM

(10,499 posts)
132. I am not spinning anything. I am saying that it is historically inaccurate to say that she didn't
Sat Feb 1, 2020, 03:35 PM
Feb 2020

campaign in the Midwest.

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mcar

(42,210 posts)
13. She is correct. We saw the result
Fri Jan 31, 2020, 08:43 PM
Jan 2020
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jalan48

(13,797 posts)
14. Is she writing another book?
Fri Jan 31, 2020, 08:45 PM
Jan 2020
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lapucelle

(18,037 posts)
32. No. A documentary about her life premiered at the Sundance Film Festival. N/T
Fri Jan 31, 2020, 09:13 PM
Jan 2020
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Cha

(295,903 posts)
24. Hillary is a TEAM Player for the country and the Planet.
Fri Jan 31, 2020, 08:52 PM
Jan 2020
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Thekaspervote

(32,606 posts)
40. Indeed she is. There's no REAL dem that has done more for the party or the country
Fri Jan 31, 2020, 09:43 PM
Jan 2020
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Cha

(295,903 posts)
44. I was for Obama but when Hillary came
Fri Jan 31, 2020, 09:55 PM
Jan 2020

around after the Primaries I was super Impressed!

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democrank

(11,052 posts)
28. Divide, divide, divide.
Fri Jan 31, 2020, 08:59 PM
Jan 2020

No wonder so many people are fed up.

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Cha

(295,903 posts)
47. Sanders: "I don't consider myself a Democrat" From 2017..
Fri Jan 31, 2020, 10:00 PM
Jan 2020
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apcalc

(4,461 posts)
30. She's right
Fri Jan 31, 2020, 09:09 PM
Jan 2020

i read Sanders vs Warren dustup, Sanders vs Biden dust up, Sanders vs Clinton....

I’m seeing a pattern...

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iwannaknow

(210 posts)
31. Where were you in 2016? Bernie went out of his way to support Hillary...
Fri Jan 31, 2020, 09:12 PM
Jan 2020

attending nearly 40 rallies for her campaign, urging his supporters to vote for her. True, about 10% of them voted for Trump, but that was less than the number of Hillary backers who voted for McCain in 2008. I supported Bernie in the 2016 primaries but voted for Hillary in the GE. Sad to see her behave this way -- she's better than this.

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StevieM

(10,499 posts)
46. The number of rallies he attended is not the paramount issue.
Fri Jan 31, 2020, 09:56 PM
Jan 2020

What matters most is that he helped to cultivate a narrative that her nomination was somehow less legitimate than all other nominees' accent to their party's nomination.

His supporters, and especially his delegates, treated her with utter contempt. And Bernie portrayed her as the second coming of Joe Lieberman.

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Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
88. In the Fall, he questioned her capacity to lead every chance that he got.
Fri Jan 31, 2020, 10:56 PM
Jan 2020

It was like he wanted her to lose so that he would get another chance, I could be wrong, but that was my feeling at the time.

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Demsrule86

(68,348 posts)
48. No he didn't...and the convention was debacle..
Fri Jan 31, 2020, 10:01 PM
Jan 2020
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betsuni

(25,128 posts)
35. She is correct.
Fri Jan 31, 2020, 09:21 PM
Jan 2020

We can't let it happen again.

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Nanjeanne

(4,878 posts)
43. He only did more than she did for Obama.
Fri Jan 31, 2020, 09:55 PM
Jan 2020

More Sanders supporters voted for her than Clinton supporters voted for Obama. He did many many more rallies for her than she did for Obama.

But let’s not let facts and reality stop this bullshit.




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Demsrule86

(68,348 posts)
77. I will ignore your rudeness and say I counted looking at what you presented 11 times...
Fri Jan 31, 2020, 10:39 PM
Jan 2020

I saw two where they appeared together from your links...and I would note that Sanders endorsed her in July their their first joint appearance was the 9-28 according to the article.

"All right. Madam Secretary, you correct me if I’m wrong here; I don’t want to misspeak for you—Secretary Clinton believes in science!”

When the cheering had abated, Sanders continued, "I know I put her in a difficult position—2016, to believe in science, a little bit dangerous—but what the heck."

During their joint appearance...you think this is helpful? I don't.


Sanders says...39- prove it. I don't think so and I see little proof and he abandoned her the last week when she need the most help after Comey...so no. I am not convinced. And below I have posted what he said during that last critical week...so again no...insufficient.



https://observer.com/2016/11/bernie-sanders-abandons-clinton-in-final-week/

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Nanjeanne

(4,878 posts)
81. Prove it? Watch the video with dates and locations. Otherwise there's nothing left to
Fri Jan 31, 2020, 10:47 PM
Jan 2020

say to convince you. Believe what makes you happy. I really want that for you. Have a great night.

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Demsrule86

(68,348 posts)
98. I also posted less the than helpful things he said and pointed out the first joint appearance was
Fri Jan 31, 2020, 11:22 PM
Jan 2020

in late September ... he endorsed her in July. And he spent the last week criticizing her ...after Comey...no, I will never forgive Sanders. He gets my vote should he win the primary which I hope he doesn't as he will lose the General IMHO...but that is it. I would never support him in a primary.

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Cuthbert Allgood

(4,867 posts)
97. Which of those stops in the video are fake.
Fri Jan 31, 2020, 11:21 PM
Jan 2020

He actually came to Wisconsin. Several times.

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lapucelle

(18,037 posts)
60. According to your video BS showed up on 17 of the 102 days in the GE season. N/T
Fri Jan 31, 2020, 10:17 PM
Jan 2020
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SidDithers

(44,228 posts)
65. LOL...
Fri Jan 31, 2020, 10:23 PM
Jan 2020

You'll notice the giant gap between July 25 and Sept 5.



Sid

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SidDithers

(44,228 posts)
66. She's right...nt
Fri Jan 31, 2020, 10:23 PM
Jan 2020

Sid

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Cha

(295,903 posts)
50. Of Course it did.. Hillary is DEAD ON..
Fri Jan 31, 2020, 10:02 PM
Jan 2020
“All the way up until the end, a lot of people highly identified with his campaign were urging people to vote third party, urging people not to vote,” Mrs. Clinton said in an interview with Emily Tisch Sussman for her podcast “Your Primary Playlist.” “It had an impact.”
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betsuni

(25,128 posts)
54. Like saying that how we voted is not as important as that we voted.
Fri Jan 31, 2020, 10:09 PM
Jan 2020
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Cha

(295,903 posts)
68. YES! And, sirota lying about Hillary the Night Before the GENERAL
Fri Jan 31, 2020, 10:27 PM
Jan 2020

ELECTION and BJG proudly tweeting her Voting For jill stein LIES.

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Kurt V.

(5,624 posts)
71. There was a lot of russian disinformation in the swing states targeting minorities
Fri Jan 31, 2020, 10:29 PM
Jan 2020

and white voters not excited by Clinton. the turnout there under preformed. thanks Facebook.

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Cha

(295,903 posts)
72. And, sirota lying about Hillary the Night Before the GENERAL
Fri Jan 31, 2020, 10:31 PM
Jan 2020
ELECTION and BJG proudly tweeting her Voting For jill stein LIES.
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Kurt V.

(5,624 posts)
74. true. but no where near the power zuck and his russian fascists welded.
Fri Jan 31, 2020, 10:34 PM
Jan 2020
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betsuni

(25,128 posts)
89. Russians knew what to use. Effect on young people:
Fri Jan 31, 2020, 10:58 PM
Jan 2020

"Among the most unjust consequences of Sanders's branding Clinton as an establishment tool was the effect on young African Americans. Their parents -- particularly their mothers -- were virtually solid in their support for Clinton, and that wasn't the result of her racial 'pandering' (as Trump later suggested) but rather Hillary's quiet, steady work, over decades, on issues of 'kitchen-table' importance to black families and the relationships she built with black leaders. This history was either unknown to or ignored ... ; Clinton 'has to be willing to get out of what's comfortable and get on the streets,' said one obviously ignorant of the fact that at the age of twenty-four, Hillary had been a civil rights activist who went undercover to investigate the discrimination in public schools. Hillary was also the first candidate to pay attention to the Flint, Michigan water crisis ... .

"But like Clinton's work on LGBTQ issues, decades old rather than campaign inspired, none of this made it into flashy stories headlining her lifelong commitment to racial, gender, and sexual justice. Instead, we were teated to a huge media flap over a mistake she made, misdescribing Nancy Reagan as fighting for AIDS research (when it was quite the opposite). Sanders made sure that '1994 Come Bill' and 'super predator' defined Clinton on racial issues, especially for those active in the Black Lives Matter movement who were influential in shaping the perception of other young black Americans.

"In fact, Sanders himself, along with many black leaders, had voted for the crime bill ... She also apologized profusely for using the 'super predator' label, even though in her speech it was not aimed at African American youth but the dealers who exploited them. ... But for too many millennials, both black and white, '1994 Crime Bill' and 'super predator' said all one needed to about Clinton. Some spoke as though she was personally responsible for the spike in mass incarceration that was a consequence of her husband's bill. 'She was part of the whole problem that started sending blacks to jail,' a young black man from Ohio observed."

Susan Bordo

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katmondoo

(6,454 posts)
56. I had the same thought in 2016 I think he could have done more but he chose to do less.
Fri Jan 31, 2020, 10:12 PM
Jan 2020
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Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
94. That was my feeling also. He did almost nothing to help her.
Fri Jan 31, 2020, 11:14 PM
Jan 2020

He completely vanished after the chaos his supporters caused at the convention. Unfortunately he is giving some of the same telltale signs this year of bad things to come from him.

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Kurt V.

(5,624 posts)
63. damn she bitter. i thought she was above this. guess not.
Fri Jan 31, 2020, 10:20 PM
Jan 2020
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Demsrule86

(68,348 posts)
79. Trump was elected...we lost court seats and could lose another if Ginsberg can't hold on...
Fri Jan 31, 2020, 10:43 PM
Jan 2020

bitter...I am so bitter...I will never get over it...and I do think Sanders could have done more.

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Kurt V.

(5,624 posts)
83. Perhaps. I'm bitter too. but more towards Zuckerberg. Cambridge. Russians. comey.
Fri Jan 31, 2020, 10:48 PM
Jan 2020

but mostly republicans

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Demsrule86

(68,348 posts)
96. Honestly, I will never forgive Sanders for not supporting her sufficiently especially during the
Fri Jan 31, 2020, 11:19 PM
Jan 2020

last week of the General...sure I vote for him in a General in 20, but it is duty and duty alone. Just my opinion. I know others may not agree.

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Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
95. She is right. He caused a lot of animosity toward her and did almost
Fri Jan 31, 2020, 11:17 PM
Jan 2020

nothing in the Fall to help her. I will never forgive him for that.

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Gothmog

(143,999 posts)
126. Hillary was correct in her charges about sanders
Sat Feb 1, 2020, 11:38 AM
Feb 2020
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bitterross

(4,066 posts)
64. I can't get behind Bernie.
Fri Jan 31, 2020, 10:21 PM
Jan 2020

I will vote for him if he's the nominee. I will hold my nose and do so.

That said, he is still to blame, alongside Sarandan and others, for Hillary losing. I will never forget that and never forgive.

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Tom Rinaldo

(22,911 posts)
67. I hope at least a few can see the sad irony here n/t
Fri Jan 31, 2020, 10:24 PM
Jan 2020
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Quixote1818

(28,903 posts)
91. I am sure they can but admitting it seems to be a bit of a challenge. LOL nt
Fri Jan 31, 2020, 11:01 PM
Jan 2020
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cry baby

(6,682 posts)
80. Why the F are we fighting over 2016 still? Can't we all just STFU about it? nt
Fri Jan 31, 2020, 10:44 PM
Jan 2020
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Quixote1818

(28,903 posts)
85. How is this going to unite Democrats? Absolutely tone deaf hypocrisy that is not helpeful at all.
Fri Jan 31, 2020, 10:54 PM
Jan 2020

She can be upset but she needs to be the bigger person at this point and start bringing people together instead of just trying to make Sanders lose just before all the voting starts. She should have gotten all this out of her system a long time ago.

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rzemanfl

(29,540 posts)
86. Oh goody, one of those "post removed" threads. Too bad it's my bedtime soon.
Fri Jan 31, 2020, 10:55 PM
Jan 2020
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YOHABLO

(7,358 posts)
87. Timing is everything. This will have an impact on furthering divisiveness.
Fri Jan 31, 2020, 10:56 PM
Jan 2020

I hope she knows what she is doing.

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Quixote1818

(28,903 posts)
93. She did the same stuff to Obama but who cares? This should all be in the past
Fri Jan 31, 2020, 11:14 PM
Jan 2020

This article came out before the election and was trying to bring folks together:


From The New Republic

When It Comes to Losing Ugly, Bernie Has Nothing on Hillary
The Democratic primary could be worse: It could be 2008 all over again.

By JEET HEER
May 18, 2016 Add to Pocket
The 2016 primaries were supposed to be smooth sailing for Democrats, in contrast to the free-for-all on the Republican side. Instead, the GOP has a presumptive nominee while Hillary Clinton continues to be dogged by Bernie Sanders, who, despite having almost no chance of winning the nomination, refuses to suspend his campaign. The animosity between the campaigns reached new heights after Saturday’s rowdy Nevada Democratic convention, where some Sanders supporters made death threats against party officials; Sanders later released an unapologetic statement that said “the Democratic leadership used its power to prevent a fair and transparent process from taking place.” Some party leaders now worry that the Vermont senator will destroy Democrats’ chances of holding on to the White House, by tarring the likely nominee with accusations of corruption and cheating.

But there is no reason to panic. After all, the Democratic primaries were much nastier in 2008, and yet the party won the White House. As Dan Pfeiffer, a former senior advisor to President Barack Obama who was a top campaign official in 2008, tweeted on Wednesday:

Dan Pfeiffer
@danpfeiffer
Periodic Reminder: the 2016 Dem primary is less heated/divisive than 08, its just that Twitter gives people an outlet they didn't have in 08
8:33 AM · May 18, 2016·Twitter Web Client

More: https://newrepublic.com/article/133587/comes-losing-ugly-bernie-nothing-hillary
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squirecam

(2,706 posts)
99. This isn't helpful.
Fri Jan 31, 2020, 11:24 PM
Jan 2020

I’m the last one to vote for Sanders. I’d even vote Tulsi over him.

But she really has zero grounds to complain. I remember 2008. That election was OVER long before she finally conceded. Yet she continued with a scheme to get Florida and Michigan to count, or sway super delegates to vote for her instead. And the PUMAS were a vocal group doing the same thing sanders supporters did.

The difference was the PUMAS were a smaller group. Obama was a better unifier.

And after finally conceding, she did work hard for his election. No matter why she did, the truth is she worked hard.

But this complaining over 2016 sounds more like sour grapes now. We NEED everyone on board. Biden and the others can defend themselves. Hillary getting involved is only going to reopen old wounds. See the many threads here as evidence.

It’s not like her campaign didn’t make mistakes too. Not to mention Comey and Russia.

We need to STOP with the divisive stuff.

Sanders will win or lose on merit. Personally, I think it’s going to be lose.

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Cuthbert Allgood

(4,867 posts)
101. She needs to stop.
Fri Jan 31, 2020, 11:26 PM
Jan 2020

None of this is helping.

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Gothmog

(143,999 posts)
106. I saw this first hand at the National Convention
Fri Jan 31, 2020, 11:37 PM
Jan 2020

Normally going to a national convention is a once in a life time experience. I have worked really hard inside the party on campaigns and voter protection issues for a very long time to earn this trip. Too bad that sanders and his vetted delegates ruined that experience and did their best to help trump. A candidate has absolute approval rights over their pledged delegates because these delegates can change their votes and these delegates represent the candidate and campaign. I helped vet Clinton delegates and I know that I was vetted. The Clinton campaign told us that we represent her and that our actions would reflect on her and her campaign.

In contrast, sanders sent one very weak text the Sunday night before the convention and then did little or nothing to control his delegates. It was nasty I was there when the sanders delegates booed Congressman John Lewis. I was warned about this stunt 30 minutes before it happened by the Clinton campaign whip. According to my whip, sanders was asked to stop this event and declined. That incident will be used against sanders if he runs in 2020.

I was at the Texas delegation breakfast when a group of sanders delegates marched in and demanded that we condemn Clinton and change our votes to sanders.




sanders spoke to the Texas delegation the next morning and his speech was again solely about himself. There was a mini-riot due to his delegates the prior morning and the only thing that sanders talked about was himself. sanders did nothing to deal with the fact that his delegates were out of control and did nothing to try to help Hillary Clinton win the general election.

Finally a group of sanders delegates yelled at my daughter and called her the c-Word because she would not try to get me to change my vote. Again sanders was asked to tell his delegates to behave during the convention and sanders refused
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kelly1mm

(4,719 posts)
110. Hillary needs to stop interfering in the Primaries
Sat Feb 1, 2020, 12:53 AM
Feb 2020

Or just jump back in. One or the other.

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quickesst

(6,280 posts)
111. as soon as Sanders lost the election....
Sat Feb 1, 2020, 01:05 AM
Feb 2020

.... To Hillary Clinton he was done with the Democratic Party until he needed them again. The proof was obvious in his show of less than lukewarm support for her or any other Democrat. Bernie Sanders life is fueled by bitterness, selfishness, and a bloated ego who resents anyone that does not fall in line behind his ideals and agenda.

If Bernie Sanders somehow miraculously wins the Democratic nomination, I will vote for him. It will be a bold testament as to the depths of the hatred I feel for donald j trump.

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BlueWI

(1,736 posts)
113. Poor timing for this criticism.
Sat Feb 1, 2020, 03:37 AM
Feb 2020

She needs to let the voters vote, or run again herself.

The Clintons dominated Democratic politics from 1992 - 2016. A quarter century is enough.

Inserting these editorials into the primary is bound to stoke divisions, and it won't convince anyone to change their viewpoints.

Why not raise more money for Biden and mentor some emerging candidates???

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primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided

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NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
119. No, stranger81, Hillary is NOT a narcissist. She's being honest.
Sat Feb 1, 2020, 09:19 AM
Feb 2020

Immediately after the convention, BS had a golden opportunity to show true leadership and help to bring people together during those critical weeks. Instead, he was completely silent... for WEEKS!! Instead of helping to soothe hurt feelings, he allowed people to wallow in their own anger and remorse. Those feelings became toxic and resentful.

The only person she's diminishing with these vain and bitter attacks is herself.
There's nothing "vain" or "bitter" here. Hillary is absolutely correct in her observations. These things that happened after the convention are historical fact. Bernie was absent and silent. We don't know what his motivations were for being absent, but it doesn't take much effort to imagine why.

It's really a shame.
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

denem

(11,045 posts)
121. 'We don't know what his motivations were for being absent'
Sat Feb 1, 2020, 09:39 AM
Feb 2020

We do. He was writing his book.

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NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
122. True. Thank you. I'd have hoped that other things would have ranked higher...
Sat Feb 1, 2020, 10:32 AM
Feb 2020

True. Thank you. I'd have hoped that other things would have ranked higher on his list of priorities. The fact that PERSONAL considerations were more important to him reveals much, and it's not a very flattering revelation.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

denem

(11,045 posts)
123. It was time to cash in.
Sat Feb 1, 2020, 10:37 AM
Feb 2020

It worked.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Gothmog

(143,999 posts)
125. I was at the National Convention and I agree with Hillary Clinton on sanders lack of support
Sat Feb 1, 2020, 11:35 AM
Feb 2020

Normally going to a national convention is a once in a life time experience. I have worked really hard inside the party on campaigns and voter protection issues for a very long time to earn this trip. Too bad that sanders and his vetted delegates ruined that experience and did their best to help trump. A candidate has absolute approval rights over their pledged delegates because these delegates can change their votes and these delegates represent the candidate and campaign. I helped vet Clinton delegates and I know that I was vetted. The Clinton campaign told us that we represent her and that our actions would reflect on her and her campaign.

In contrast, sanders sent one very weak text the Sunday night before the convention and then did little or nothing to control his delegates. It was nasty I was there when the sanders delegates booed Congressman John Lewis. I was warned about this stunt 30 minutes before it happened by the Clinton campaign whip. According to my whip, sanders was asked to stop this event and declined. That incident will be used against sanders if he runs in 2020.

I was at the Texas delegation breakfast when a group of sanders delegates marched in and demanded that we condemn Clinton and change our votes to sanders.




sanders spoke to the Texas delegation the next morning and his speech was again solely about himself. There was a mini-riot due to his delegates the prior morning and the only thing that sanders talked about was himself. sanders did nothing to deal with the fact that his delegates were out of control and did nothing to try to help Hillary Clinton win the general election.

Finally a group of sanders delegates yelled at my daughter and called her the c-Word because she would not try to get me to change my vote. Again sanders was asked to tell his delegates to behave during the convention and sanders refused
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Gothmog

(143,999 posts)
127. Good luck on getting support from Clinton supporters
Sat Feb 1, 2020, 12:16 PM
Feb 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden

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totodeinhere

(13,034 posts)
133. I just wish that we could put 2016 behind us and concentrate on the here and now.
Sat Feb 1, 2020, 03:44 PM
Feb 2020

n/t

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
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